Update: The person who published the videos in youtube.com made them not longer available to the public, so dont try the links below as they wont work anymore.
Two polemic videos have been published in Youtube.com just few days ago. The videos show how some italian fans invade Robert's privacy and really bother him!...It's really embarassing. The videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs6Lj5qe958
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi2wzIh6AyE
Somehow it reminds me the film "The fan" with Robert De Niro. In this film he kidnaped his idol's son and really caused him a lot of trouble. This kind of fans are really sick :?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e5Yac9KC30
I've been watching the discussion about this on the curiosity board which made me decide to not look for/at this stuff. I guess the longer I think about the band, the less I'm interested in the "real" R.S.
yes, it's rather embarrassing and disturbing.
and what makes it even more so is that some people used to (/still do) also trade these videos, even labeling them as "rare trade"... like it was something really important and interesting to have/obtain/see.
:roll:
i agree with matti, the more i spend time with the music the less i care about the person/people behind it....
"the further i get from the things that i care about
the less i care about how much further away i get..."
embarassing? Why??? :D
Robert was lovely with those guys and they were so excited...it was surely the best day of their life :roll:
what a luck!!! :-D
I know that we're always too "warm"!! :lol:
I think it's not nice going into someone's privacy. They were awful fans and the poor Bob looked soooo scared :cry:
Quote from: Lady on March 05, 2007, 17:00:22
embarassing? Why??? :D
Robert was lovely with those guys and they were so excited...it was surely the best day of their life :roll:
what a luck!!! :-D
I know that we're always too "warm"!! :lol:
Quote from: Lady on March 05, 2007, 17:00:22
Robert was lovely with those guys and they were so excited...it was surely the best day of their life :roll:
i think robert is clearly very annoyed and disturbed there but he's just trying to stay being polite, for the fans' sake - which makes it pretty awful to watch: because he's being so polite while the fans are being completely outrageous in what they do. honestly he could have told them to piss off and he would have been completely right! but he's the one (only one!) with manners!
hmm, surely a great day for these fans... but is that any sort of excuse to go and invade anyone's privacy?
it's quite different to go hanging out on the backdoor of some concert venue and try to catch a glimpse of someone than to go hang around outside this person's private property, on his yard, try to film inside his house through windows etc...
maybe you're right about the part where they're filming the house...but the rest is so normal and honestly I don't see any problem: they're just fans that make real the dream to know their idol and spend some minutes/hours with him...
this is my point of view...but maybe I'm not impartial, ehehehe! :-D ;)
Robert seems to me so quite in this video... I don't see him annoyed or disturbed... I know other italian fans that 10-15 years ago went in front of Robert's house, waiting for him and, when he came, he invited them into and offered tea: they talked for hours...
Finally, the only thing that I really dislike in this video is that they filmed the inner house of Robert: that's so wrong!
Yeah, I've seen this before. The fans are ridiculously obnoxious, no doubt... :oops:
If someone was filming through my windows and hanging around outside for hours, id probably call the police, (ok, so its Robert Smith) but i think he had every right to ask "how did you know we lived here?". Famous or not, its not right to go onto someones property and invade their privacy, hes only human like the rest of us. I imagine he'd be a bit freaked out by the whole thing, someone whos like a cartoon character of yourself turning up on your door and constantly asking questions. I thought he was very nice about the whole thing, even giving them a lift in his car!
But i agree with most of you, i really dont care whats inside his house, or what car he drives or whatever, as long as they still make great music - thats the reason im interested 8)
What bad did they do? :shock: :smth011
They simply made real the dream of their life! :smth001
I would have done the same thing, maybe without filming the inner house!
I hope to go there, too and drink a beer with him! :-D
Everybody knows that the italian fans are the warmest!!!!! :rocker
I'm sorry. This is just so wrong. They were stalking him, and I don't just brush that off. It's a gross invasion of privacy, and I wouldn't think Robert in the wrong to crack them in the face a few times. That is his home, and no fan has the right to harrass the object of their adoration at home, where his wife sleeps and his nieces and nephews play. They have no right at all, and it upsets me to see things like this.
I feel really bad for Robert, having to go through that, and, really, anyone whose status as a celebrity makes them have to give up their privacy like that. I wouldn't want anyone following me home, harrassing me, shooting film of my home, interior and exterior both. It's none of our business.
This isn't 'warm' behaviour. Not by a long shot.
Let's remember that these are two different videos by two different groups of fans. The Jeep episode is from June 1993, and the home incident is from August 1994.
The "Jeep people" are really obnoxious and don't seem to have any manners, but I guess it was Robert's choice to let them in his vehicle and give them a ride.
But the "house people" are just crazy, going around his house like that and peering in the windows. It's no wonder some people keep this as a "no trade" video â€" the original people who taped it could probably be arrested for this. :lol:
Somebody on another forum where these links have also been posted said that he used to have contact with the actual people in these videos.
He said they went to Robert's house another time when Robert was not at home and Mary called the Police.
Quote from: bomber2007 on March 07, 2007, 01:22:24
He said they went to Robert's house another time when Robert was not at home and Mary called the Police.
well done! :smth023
wow, why cant people just learn to meet musicians the normal way, chasing them after concerts, or getting a fake press pass.
Quote from: bomber2007 on March 07, 2007, 01:22:24He said they went to Robert's house another time when Robert was not at home and Mary called the Police.
I wonder, is there a video of this too? :lol:
If I was a famous person or a rockstar's wife, I would be more understanding with the fans: they don't wanna hurt anybody, but just see and speak with their love!
I say it once again: to film the house isn't correct, but in the second video I don't see any "evil" and robert doesn't seem annoyed
please, try not to be so "cold" ;)
Quote from: Lady on March 07, 2007, 12:58:39
please, try not to be so "cold" ;)
it's on the contrary: i think it's "warm" to leave the person alone and let him have his peace
for at least when he's at his own home for chrissakes(!!) and it's "cold" to invade him like that, without thinking any better and just selfishly doing what you want to do.
every fan should understand that whoever you were, famous or not famous, home is a sacred place for most of us, all of us i would say. home is the place where you have the undisputeable right to your peace and privacy, it's the only little corner of this chaotic world where you can really control your surroundings and not be tossed around and pushed around. home is home: it's your place, your time, your rules - yours only. no-one else can have a say to it.
we cannot think that it's somehow more acceptable to invade a famous person's home just because he's famous and like he was somehow "obliged" to let the fans have their memorable moments anytime, anywhere, anyplace they want.
everyone should have the equal right to privacy.
we might have a glamorous image of a rockstar's life sometimes but i'm sure we all realize that living year after year under the public observation is very tiring and forces one to make compromises in your life which must not always be that ideal.
people like robert smith are already giving so much of themselves and their whole life to the fans (to complete strangers!), that what little they have left for themselves should stay untouched.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 07, 2007, 13:14:37
Quote from: Lady on March 07, 2007, 12:58:39
please, try not to be so "cold" ;)
it's on the contrary: i think it's "warm" to leave the person alone and let him have his peace for at least when he's at his own home for chrissakes(!!) and it's "cold" to invade him like that, without thinking any better and just selfishly doing what you want to do.
every fan should understand that whoever you were, famous or not famous, home is a sacred place for most of us, all of us i would say. home is the place where you have the undisputeable right to your peace and privacy, it's the only little corner of this chaotic world where you can really control your surroundings and not be tossed around and pushed around. home is home: it's your place, your time, your rules - yours only. no-one else can have a say to it.
we cannot think that it's somehow more acceptable to invade a famous person's home just because he's famous and like he was somehow "obliged" to let the fans have their memorable moments anytime, anywhere, anyplace they want.
everyone should have the equal right to privacy.
we might have a glamorous image of a rockstar's life sometimes but i'm sure we all realize that living year after year under the public observation is very tiring and forces one to make compromises in your life which must not always be that ideal.
people like robert smith are already giving so much of themselves and their whole life to the fans (to complete strangers!), that what little they have left for themselves should stay untouched.
:smth011
I agree with japanesebaby.
i wonder is it about different tradition of behaving that make people disagree here?
because it is easy to see italian members saying "this is ok, they are only "warm" and other members saying "this is bad and awful to watch. maybe it shows us people having different habits in different countries. maybe it is ok in italy to do things like this and no-one thinks bad of it no? but a person from other country must always try to adapt to local habits, it is not other way round. person must adapt, not expect the worl around the person doing it. so fans in this film should respect it yes? and even if it's ok in their home country to do this kind thing, it not mean it is ok to do it anywhere. they should thinking about the way behave correct in england (because robert lives there). i have feeling it is not so good in england.
and first, of course i have nothing against italian fans! i know many and some are my good friend and i love them they are great people and my frineds. but i just start seeing this national difference when i watch the videos and watch this conversation. so maybe this is why people disagree why people watch it different.
but in my opinion, what matters is how to behave well in this english village.
i don't know if it's true but i hear one of the film was shoot just one day before robert and mary have wedding anniveersary. if it is true i don't think thif filming was good behavior, it is not polite to go so near a day when someone having important family-celebration like this. it is not fan business.
just my opinion.
thanks.
Quote from: disintegration on March 08, 2007, 00:29:35
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 07, 2007, 13:14:37
Quote from: Lady on March 07, 2007, 12:58:39
please, try not to be so "cold" ;)
it's on the contrary: i think it's "warm" to leave the person alone and let him have his peace for at least when he's at his own home for chrissakes(!!) and it's "cold" to invade him like that, without thinking any better and just selfishly doing what you want to do.
every fan should understand that whoever you were, famous or not famous, home is a sacred place for most of us, all of us i would say. home is the place where you have the undisputeable right to your peace and privacy, it's the only little corner of this chaotic world where you can really control your surroundings and not be tossed around and pushed around. home is home: it's your place, your time, your rules - yours only. no-one else can have a say to it.
we cannot think that it's somehow more acceptable to invade a famous person's home just because he's famous and like he was somehow "obliged" to let the fans have their memorable moments anytime, anywhere, anyplace they want.
everyone should have the equal right to privacy.
we might have a glamorous image of a rockstar's life sometimes but i'm sure we all realize that living year after year under the public observation is very tiring and forces one to make compromises in your life which must not always be that ideal.
people like robert smith are already giving so much of themselves and their whole life to the fans (to complete strangers!), that what little they have left for themselves should stay untouched.
:smth011
i'm sorry i'm not sure i understand what the head-shakes i receive stand for.
i only wrote what i wrote because i believe it is true (at least for me), not because i wanted to preach.
:?:
Well, I've seen these videos before, and i think that is strange a moment like this , anyway Robert was very kind with them :?
Quote from: cureterra on March 10, 2007, 05:19:59
anyway Robert was very kind with them :?
and was he wrong??? :shock:
I recall reading an interview from 1997 where RS related those kind of incidents. And he wasn't using friendly words at all. Clearly, he hates being disturbed at home (who doesn't ??). And the only reason why he went out to see them was to get rid of them ("now you've seen me, you can leave) because he felt guilty his wife couldn't have the peace she's entitled to have at home (and imagine what they could be doing :-D).
When you look at the video, you can sense RS is pissed off and thinking "what the f*ck" when somebody says to him how gorgeous he looks like. As a nice English man, he didn't use harsh words in front of them. I imagine those fans weren't thinking they could see him for real and didn't realize... Anyway. I don't understand how some people think these kind of things are ok. The Jeep video seems more acceptable and funny in a way because it's odd to think such videos exist. :lol: I haven't watched it and don't feel like it somehow. But I don't buy that story of somebody getting to RS house and having tea (tea ?? :shock:) with him. Everybody had the same kinds of dreams/fantasies when they were 13.
I can't cast an opinion because when I click the links Youtube gives me a message that says "This is a private video. If you have been sent this video, please make sure you accept the sender's friend request" so of course i have no idea on how to view them..
If someone who isn't as computer-retarded can help me out to view them then I'll be able to give you my opinion. Which I'm sure you're all dying to hear... ;)
Quote from: nausearockpig on March 11, 2007, 09:53:49
I can't cast an opinion because when I click the links Youtube gives me a message that says "This is a private video. If you have been sent this video, please make sure you accept the sender's friend request" so of course i have no idea on how to view them..
If someone who isn't as computer-retarded can help me out to view them then I'll be able to give you my opinion. Which I'm sure you're all dying to hear... ;)
i was going to say it looks to me like your mom and dad must have put some restrictions on your internet access in general (i wonder what you're being punished for... :lol:)
but actually, it looks like it's changed over there somehow, it's been set to private.
(anyway, i don't think you're missing anything really important, cure-wise.)
(edit: that's supposed to say
The cure-wise, of course,)
maybe.... maybe....
it is far more interesting the new interview :smth001
with all the respect for this thread..i mean.. the real "curenews" is the interview posted by monghi ;)
let's look at that.
he even talks about his relationship with the fans.
however, about this thread : IMHO that would be obviously annoying when they film the house ...but for the rest, hey, they've just their dream came true and Robert was pleasant to be a part of that dream i think...obviously it has not to be "exaggerated" because that become soon a "stress" and we know, Robert is a private person. i don't think anyway he was annoyed.
about the importance of this thread, i agree with you and i disagree with you.
yes, somehow this is pretty silly - because the source material itself is pretty unimportant, as it is. if we want to know something about the cure, the conversation is elsewhere, true.
but on the other hand this one here is not without value either
i would have two points to make/offer for the basis of further conversation (especially the first one):
1)
actually, i think this thread is interesting and important because it's a thread about us, the fans. it's also bordering on the responsibility and moral issues, which are very rarely discussed on boards like this although they are ever-present and have effect on our behavior and our choices all the time. :!:
on other threads we talk about the band, the upcoming album, the upcoming shows - we expect so much about them, we wish they will deliver us something memorable, we wish they can do their best. sometimes we almost start thinking (many times falsely and alarmingly, imo) that the artist has some sort of responsibility to deliver us goods that please us - and we get pissed if we don't like what we got...
anyway, if we expect the artist to have such responsibility then what about our responsibility as fans? does it exist? i think surely i does, it just can't be a one-way street. so, go and buy the records, concert tickets, and... but what else, maybe?
i think that's a reasonably legitimate question to think about. and this case surely has given insight to it, of several different kind.
so, as silly as this thread is in some ways, the reason i bother writing here is this. imo it's perfectly clear that the artists "responsibility" towards his fans (that is, if there ever even was such) ends once we go "outside his art". everyone who's ever worked as a performing artists himself/herself, who ever had any kind of "stage persona" etc. knows this immediately. and everyone can go out there and see it for themselves in case it's needed.
thus, fans may legitimately insist on their piece of "RS of the cure" being delivered to them as part of the deal - but they have no business with the "private person RS" whatsoever.
imo, one of the basic responsibilities of the fan should be to be able to tell the difference between the two, and know what it means - or at least be able to tell when one crosses the line in case one might end up doing it.
(this "responsibility issue" itself (whether seen from artist's or the fan's point of view) is very interesting indeed. the issues of morality with art in general are very complicated and interesting topic! thus, i see that this is actually an interesting and even important thread. :!: )
2)
this has nothing to do with robert smith, actually. it's also about "this is my dream in life, i want to do this and i have the right to do this". i mean, how could this "dream factor" alone be any sort of excuse in just about any kind of case? because well, some people dream about robbing a bank, some people dream about killing another person - maybe they should just go for it. i mean, it's got to be ok because after all, it's their dream in life! ok maybe not... but where do we draw the line?
i'd say one can pursue one's dreams of course as long as one doesn't forget one's responsibilities.
well,
first all i didn't mean to criticize you and neither the thread, and sorry if it is seemed so.
about the two points :
1) i agree with you and with your "responsibility" but, i do really think it is not all that problem 'cause i know the artist is different from the "private" but i also think artists (RS, in this case) don't have all this responsabilities with the fans especially in their every-day-life and so, if this would annoy him, he should be able and free to say :"hey!...leave...i don't want this kind of things to happen" and i think Robert Smith is a person that could do it ,trust me.
Obviously i'm not justifying the people who went in his home, or recorded his house with that camera...i would be bored,too..if someone would come in my home to record my things and my spaces.
2) well, it's a bit different dreaming about killing a person or robbing a bank.
if i know the thing i dreamed is wrong, i won't do it. if it is not all that wrong for me (and for laws,other people,and the society etc.) i mean, i should be able to do it...obviously if it would touch other's people things, i should STOP it! but, until it isn't a problem for anyone involved with this thing, why should i stop?
about this "responsibilities" and the relation between RS and fans, the thing in the interview about the fans is very interesting....
The fans he talks about in the interview are people he has known for a while (some of them a long while). So yes, he considers them as friends (some of them take pictures, others film live shows for him, another is a bass technician/roadie since 2005...). Yes, they "built a reationship" with him and certainly that wasn't by going to his house without warning (again I'm sure those Italian fans didn't realize, that was a long time ago now...). But that would be totally unreleastic to think somebody would meet him backstage or boarding the tour bus and becoming friends so easily. Yes, he's quite accessible while he's appearing in public (concerts, tv shows...) but that's it.
Otherwise I'm not so sure about RS frankly telling somebody that admires him to f*ck off (unless that person would do something particulary awful). It's always better to keep your cool in those situations even if it's really really annoying.
i actually really want to see this now just out of curiosity as to what happened. is it viewable anywhere else? i feel so guilty :oops: but i dont think im doing anything wrong just wanting to see it
(sorry this is rather long but i tried to explain my points more clearly and looks like it took some time...)
i think we should consider the available forms of
communication between fans and their idol(s):
a lot of it is one-way communication, the fans listening to the records, reading mags/interviews etc. - this is how it actually works most of the time: the artist communicates with us via his art, not by being personally available.
in live concerts this becomes temporary two-way communication where both parties are actually present - and where both come out of their own will. it's a public occasion, somehting that both parties have agreed to. the same can be said of other public apperances, in this case all those where RS is appearing as "RS of the cure", when he's selling us some of his time for our pleasure. at first the word "selling" may sound somewhat "dirty" (because it often does when money is involved...) but that's what happens. and there's nothing particularly dirty in it, when one thinks of it: because it's the same thing that happens when any of us goes to work, whatever it is that we do. we sell some of our time together with our abilities for someone in order to get paid, in order to be able to pay our rent etc etc. that's the way it goes.
however, going to someone house without a warning is a kind of forced two-way communication: because by going there a person insists "i want to communicate with you NOW" and he/she somehow assumes that it's got to be ok for the other party too. people keep saying "hey i don't think he was annoyed..." - well, how can you tell actually? how can you be sure? let's not forget that we can only assume that at its best.
and really, no-one cannot use this assumption as an excuse for justifying stuff like this. besides the satrting point was unfair, since it was forced communication anyway - i'll get back to that.
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 11, 2007, 14:42:57but, until it isn't a problem for anyone involved with this thing, why should i stop?
yes but this was exactly what i tried to point out - because someone is certainly being involved now and this someone is RS! :!:
he's made very much involved but completely out of his own will/choice.
in several occasions during the 90s robert said how he was disturbed and annoyed by some complete strangers that came to hang around his house, often dressed up as his lookalikes. i think anyone who read the mag interviews from this period saw these comments, he made them several times. so, he always clearly wished to have a strict line between his stage persona and his private persona. and he didn't like it when people started crossing this line.
and so, we have his own word about it, he has said this himself many times - but still, people here wave their hand to it and say "naaaah, i don't think was annoyed". well, come on.... !? to me it looks like robert's own word counts for nothing then...
because i think the difference that member Descent pointed out is important: that we must take into consideration whether he's sometimes talking about fans that he actually knows or just any fans. it's the same as if we were talking about our friends or people we don't know - i think we make a difference in our own lives so i think it's only natural that RS can do it too. would i mind it if some friends dropped by my house and wanted to chat for a sec? no i wouldn't. would i be disturbed if some complete strangers wanted the same from me? hey yes i would.
about robert's "option" of telling them to piss off:
can we really imagine him ever doing that? i can't. and since i can't imagine it, i don't think we can say "hey he could have done this" and use that as some sort of excuse.
i recently saw an interview of one well-known movie celebrity talking about this, about fans crossing the line. he said
"to be honest yes, many times i would simply like to punch them in the face, these people who think i should be available at all times, to be a star for them at any time they want - but then, it's just so so much more easier to try to keep on smiling and write the autograph etc....". i think that's actually pretty sad to read. because we must remember that whereas some average joe like you or i can punch an intrusive person in the face and tell him to go f*ck himself, it's not the same with people under public eye (especially if they are being filmed at the same time, like here!!!). so in fact they cannot often have same choices as we have, in fact they are often pretty helpless. i think we should keep this in mind.
IMO robert doesn't really have any other options than behave well and try not to show how angry he might be -
despite however angry he was. because anything else he might choose to do would be bad, and he knows it.
(and hey, there were no cameras rolling
inside the house, showing his reactions after he left and went inside... hmm.).
so what can be seen on the video is that he is being nice to those people BUT he is actually
being forced to be nice. :!:
it's forced two-way communication (or rather: "communication"): one party (here: the fans) dictates the rules and the other has no other choices but to follow - whether or not he liked it. and this is ugly stuff to watch, because it's fans misusing your own idol, more or less forcing him to behave like you want to: it's almost like saying "dance for me!" "roll!" "fetch!" to a puppet or a dog or something. it's "be robert smith of the cure for me, be it NOW!" or either "hey i want to see how you
really are, in your private life (when you are not robert smith of the cure but robert smith the private person) - show me your real me, show it to me NOW!"
whichever way it was: both of these are simply wrong. :smth011
about fans who do this sort of things:
i suppose they've created a strong mental image of their idol via listening to records, going to the concerts, reading the interviews - and they start thinking they know this person, that they have really developed some sort of "relationship" with him. and i don't deny they have a relationship there, even a special one and an important one - but the problem is that they begin to forget that it's been
based on one-way communication all the time. it's not
equal in that sense. but they start having an illusion that the relationship they had cultivated is somehow two-way anyway and that it gives them the right to enter this person's life.
they confuse the concepts of the idols public stage persona and his/her private persona.
they somehow start imagining that their idol will be just as pleased to meet them (total strangers!) as they are to meet him, or that their idol will be delighted to entertain them any time they want.
i'm not saying it all happens with bad intentions in mind: it happens because people don't think, people don't understand their responsibilities, people start having illusions and become careless because they never gave a single thought of these things.
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 11, 2007, 14:42:57..obviously if it would touch other's people things, i should STOP it!
sure. but i think "other people's things" should without questioning include privacy, home, family, persons own time (his time off, his personal time, the time he hasn't "sold" to anyone). that's all.
about the "dream factor":
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 11, 2007, 14:42:57well, it's a bit different dreaming about killing a person or robbing a bank.
if i know the thing i dreamed is wrong, i won't do it. if it is not all that wrong for me (and for laws,other people,and the society etc.) i mean, i should be able to do it...obviously if it would touch other's people things, i should STOP it! but, until it isn't a problem for anyone involved with this thing, why should i stop?
i know i chose harsh examples, but only to enhance my point. because sure, a normal person doesn't go out and shoot another person - why? because he knows his responsibilities. because he knows where the line is drawn. because he knows it's not ok to cross the line. that's what i meant when i said the issue here is that fans should realize their responsibilities too. because when one thinks about it, it's actually an easy job to be a fan: you just sit back and wait that the artist serves you and enjoy the ride he/she offers... but if you have any sort of real respect towards your idol, then you realize where the limits are, you realize what part of your idol is meant to be "publicly available" for you (and when!) and what part of him/her is not.
that's the responsibility of a fan. if you cross the line and say "hey i was just pursuing my dream!" then theoretically it's the same thing as someone robbing a bank and saying "hey i just really wanted more money!"
so, both the "dream factor" and the "naaah i don't think he minded" are crap excuses. they don't justify things like this at all.
please show me some a good excuse - i just really doubt it that any such exists...
Quote from: Lady on March 10, 2007, 11:33:04
and was he wrong??? :shock:
no, (i tried to say that), if he was kind with them, maybe he wasn't annoying
Tell me if I'm wrong...
"Paparazzi" is an Italian world, isn't it... :?
Quote from: Adlib on March 12, 2007, 22:40:53
Tell me if I'm wrong...
"Paparazzi" is an Italian world, isn't it... :?
:smth043
Enter: Xenophobia.
It is, though. An Italian word, I mean.
why i can't see them?
they deleted them?
This person are fan of the Cure, no "paparazzi"! :smth011
I think the major fault in this post is in title: writing "Italian" the discussion has changed the focal point. It seems that Italians are boring people, only Italians... and on the other side the "rest of the world". Now I see phrases like "Paparazzi is an italian word", etc.
Isn't a question of nationality... :smth011
and.... italian fans is the best, stop! :rocker
Italian?
yeah ok after Greek fans maybe
;)
Quote from: gioez on March 14, 2007, 11:44:13
Isn't a question of nationality... :smth011
true. it has been easy to sense that some italian fans seem to feel the need to defend themselves as a nation here - and i don't really know why because this was never directed against "italian fans" as a group. i think this should have been clear from the start. and i think we should be able to have conversation and be free of this sort of generalizations stepping in and influencing our discussion.
thus i think people taking the conversation into "who are the best fans!" actually double-miss the focal point here.
this never was about the fans' nationality at all - i don't even think anyone said so here. so it could have been german fans, uk fans, french fans, finnish fans etc. etc. - but whoever it was, it would not make any difference.
and especially nationalities connected to the question "who's the best fan!" - that kind of crap has nothing to do with this topic at all.
"being a good fan" (whatever that means) can have absolutely nothing to do with person's nationality. i'd believe everyone should realize this.
this people on that video speak so funny inglish and when ask for brandon lee""
""robert brandon is dead is dead""
dalé dalé hahaha :-D
Quote from: disintegration on March 14, 2007, 13:32:12
and.... italian fans is the best, stop! :rocker
yeah but they scream to much at the shows
I really dont understand what nationality has to do with this topic.
People are people, wherever they come from, and you always have that equal balance of decent people and morons, wherever you go.
And im not keen on this obsession some people hold as to 'who is the best fan',....
I mean, really, who cares? Does it really matter if you like one thing over another? does it matter where you come from? and does it matter how old you are?
No.
If anything, listening to this band has taught me to be MYSELF, not to try and live up to others expectations of what a 'good' fan should be....and sometimes there is a kind of underlying thing, where sometimes if people decide to look exactly like Robert they sort of consider themselves 'more loyal'.
Its great that so many people love this band, and i think sometimes were missing the point, that we all have something in common.
But there is a line that people sometimes cross and the obsession goes a bit too far, when it comes to Roberts personal and home life - that has nothing to do with anyone but him and his family.
If Robert devoted his entire time to fans it wouldnt do him or anyone any good, more things like this would probably happen, you cant expect him to welcome strangers open arms 24/7. People would start to have expectations, and it would probably get out of hand if you were to just let anybody conact you at anytime, as though it were your 'duty' as a celebrity. That obviously isnt right.
Two words - Mark Chapman........
Personally i dont care about looks or any other particular 'fan' behaviour, i just feel empathy on Roberts part, because being famous unfortunately brings this kind of thing.......hes human! if he cant have any peace at home, where can he?.....
ill shut up now..... :smth001
Quote from: strange_day on March 14, 2007, 17:54:57People are people, wherever they come from, and you always have that equal balance of decent people and morons, wherever you go.
And im not keen on this obsession some people hold as to 'who is the best fan',....
I mean, really, who cares? Does it really matter if you like one thing over another? does it matter where you come from? and does it matter how old you are?
No.
Well said. :smth023
Quote from: temptation-cure on March 14, 2007, 16:37:55
yeah but they scream to much at the shows
this is true, ahahahah!!!!! :-D :-D ;)
anyway...I think we have two different conceptions of the adjective "boring": for someone these italian fans are boring just because they want to know robert...for me "boring" is an "apathetic" person, who doesn't feel like laughin', jokin' (for istance about the nationality) and doesn't admit the emotions, as someone in this forum seems to do...
...and this is a very very very sad thing!
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 14, 2007, 18:14:33
Quote from: strange_day on March 14, 2007, 17:54:57People are people, wherever they come from, and you always have that equal balance of decent people and morons, wherever you go.
And im not keen on this obsession some people hold as to 'who is the best fan',....
I mean, really, who cares? Does it really matter if you like one thing over another? does it matter where you come from? and does it matter how old you are?
No.
Well said. :smth023
I can't agree more :)
And because of that I did rename the original subject from "Robert filmed by italian fans" to "Robert bothered by fans".
Cheers
David.
Quote from: Lady on March 14, 2007, 21:03:46
anyway...I think we have two different conceptions of the adjective "boring": for someone these italian fans are boring just because they want to know robert...for me "boring" is an "apathetic" person, who doesn't feel like laughin', jokin' (for istance about the nationality) and doesn't admit the emotions, as someone in this forum seems to do...
...and this is a very very very sad thing!
i am sorry but i not understand this reasoning at all.
"boring" is a complet wrong word anyway. all this have nothing to do with "boring". i don't undestand where you took such a word.
and if people really not have emotions, then people would not care writing here, right?
so i think you are wrong about who have emotions. everybody have.
also, it especially confuse me now because early in the thread you want to defending italian fans, then some people say "italian should not be offended, it is not about italian fans". people say this to be nice to you and to show that they never intend to speak against italian fans in general. but now you writ that people who not like "joking
for instance about nationality", are boring and don't have emotions.
sorry, i don't understand. maybe you should try and read again what said in this thread in all?
:roll:
Quote from: dsanchez on March 14, 2007, 22:28:18
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 14, 2007, 18:14:33
Quote from: strange_day on March 14, 2007, 17:54:57People are people, wherever they come from, and you always have that equal balance of decent people and morons, wherever you go.
And im not keen on this obsession some people hold as to 'who is the best fan',....
I mean, really, who cares? Does it really matter if you like one thing over another? does it matter where you come from? and does it matter how old you are?
No.
Well said. :smth023
I can't agree more :)
And because of that I did rename the original subject from "Robert filmed by italian fans" to "Robert bothered by fans".
Cheers
David.
:smth023 David, I'm with you!
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on March 15, 2007, 07:46:50
i am sorry but i not understand this reasoning at all.
I'll try to explain it again:
1- I've just noticed that someone was annoyed by posts as: "italian fans are the best" and other similar posts...I think this wasn't said with evil, but they were just jokin'
2-I used the word "boring", because I find that it could be also referred to a person who is irritating and embarassing (like someone says about the fans of the video)...I think that irritating is who doesn't admit the emotion (for exemple the emotion of those fans that had met bob), who doesn't understand the happyness of a guy that makes true his dream or simply who hasn't sense of humor
sorry if I confused two different arguments in the same speech! :cry:
:smth001
I'M sick!
more we explain, less people understand.... :smth011
detto in italiano.... più ruzzolate più diventate quadrati!
Quote from: disintegration on March 15, 2007, 14:16:01
detto in italiano.... più ruzzolate più diventate quadrati!
I'm italian, but I never heard this!!!!! :-D :-D :-D :-D (Rende l'idea, comunque ;))
Quote from: disintegration on March 15, 2007, 14:16:01
detto in italiano.... più ruzzolate più diventate quadrati!
ahahahahahahahahahahahh!!!!!!! :smth082 :smth082 :smth082
Quote from: disintegration on March 15, 2007, 14:16:01
more we explain, less people understand.... :smth011
Quote from: Lady on March 14, 2007, 21:03:46
for me "boring" is an "apathetic" person, who doesn't feel like laughin', jokin' (for istance about the nationality) and doesn't admit the emotions, as someone in this forum seems to do...
...and this is a very very very sad thing!
any "explanations" i might have written here earlier: that was done out of the hope that we could have some conversation about this topic. i simply thought there was substance beneath this topic for something more than just choosing a side from "wow that's great" or "damn those people are stupid" and leaving it there. i really think/thought there was a lot more possible to say about it, that's all.
so i was simply looking for conversation ok? but instead, the whole thing is been swept away with things that don't make sense to me or more recently with a "hey you have no sense of humor, you just have no emotions" - i mean, wtf???
but hey, whatever then. i'll go somewhere else to look for a conversation.
ja eikun jatketaan ja ollaan sitten vaan kukin tahollamme maailman parhaita faneja. siinähän sitä on substanssia kaikille juu.
Quote from: japanesebaby on March 16, 2007, 07:56:10
ja eikun jatketaan ja ollaan sitten vaan kukin tahollamme maailman parhaita faneja. siinähän sitä on substanssia kaikille juu.
Yes, I agree. :-D Although I don't speak anything in finnish language!
Who speak finnish? :shock: :smth011
Quote from: gioez on March 16, 2007, 10:34:25
Yes, I agree. :-D Although I don't speak anything in finnish language!
a brave man! ;)
Quote from: disintegration on March 16, 2007, 11:00:13
:smth011
:roll:
I want to see it but at the same time I don't want to see Robert being a jerk because I will always think of him as a jerk from then on...and I don't want to.
Kind of like the video of Tom Cruise telling off the guy who sprayed water in his face...ruined Tom Cruise for me! :(
Quote from: Carnage Visor on June 29, 2007, 04:17:29
I want to see it but at the same time I don't want to see Robert being a jerk because I will always think of him as a jerk from then on...and I don't want to.
I don't think Robert was a jerk at all. I think he was actually quite pleasant about it, considering these crazy fans just came and invaded his property. He even spent a bit of time talking with them. He surely wasn't overtly rude. I mean, he could have cursed them out or called the police.
Quote from: Carnage Visor on June 29, 2007, 04:17:29Kind of like the video of Tom Cruise telling off the guy who sprayed water in his face...ruined Tom Cruise for me! :(
I saw that. He did kinda end up making a fool out of himself there... :lol:
Robert was much nicer to them than most other people would have been--I'd have called the police myself! He's definitely not thrilled about it, but he's very polite and kind to them.
Oh man, I can't see it! It says "Private video" what do I do?
Okay, old thread, but here goes:
I cringe whenever I think about all the creepy people Robert, and most celebrities, must attract to themselves. *shudders* I'd love to be Robert's bodyguard when those people come around, so he wouldn't have to do violence to his British politeness... :smth075
It is part of the "job" though, and like Robert says in one of his interviews (link below), fame is so easy to walk away from, so there's no point in complaining too much about its downsides. But then again, if you're a celebrity and say this bothers you, chances are some fans (who are supposed to have respect for their idols!) might listen and reconsider their plans for barging in on your property like common burglars...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDHx5EwGuQ&feature=related
I'd prefer it if I never, ever met Robert actually, and I mean meet as in having a chat with him face to face. I try not to get too personally involved with people who's work I like, it can get in the way (although it's hard with Robert, he's been one of the most intriguing celebrities around for donkey's years...). It would be fun to do thoughtful things for him, like send him creative gifts to show how grateful you are, but I wouldn't hound him for an autograph or a picture. Also, what the heck would I say to him if I met him!? "Do you like...music? Playing the guitar? Good, good...". Either that, or I'd blurt out something he hears all the time, like "YOU'RE. A. GOOOD!", and then I'd have to kill myself for saying something so painfully ridiculous....
Quote from: Poe on March 31, 2008, 21:53:32
I'd prefer it if I never, ever met Robert actually, and I mean meet as in having a chat with him face to face. I try not to get too personally involved with people who's work I like, it can get in the way (although it's hard with Robert, he's been one of the most intriguing celebrities around for donkey's years...). It would be fun to do thoughtful things for him, like send him creative gifts to show how grateful you are, but I wouldn't hound him for an autograph or a picture. Also, what the heck would I say to him if I met him!? "Do you like...music? Playing the guitar? Good, good...". Either that, or I'd blurt out something he hears all the time, like "YOU'RE. A. GOOOD!", and then I'd have to kill myself for saying something so painfully ridiculous....
I know how you feel... Shortly before the concert in Milan the friend who went with me said she was getting in touch with someone she knew from the organization to see if she could get backstage passes, and I didn't want to seem ungrateful but I was like "Um, well, you know, it's okay really if we don't get them, I mean I really just want to go for the music..." And like you I was thinking "What the heck would I ever say to him??? Aaaah, hello. How nice to meet you. Oh, I love your music. Been listening to it for over 20 years. Oh, guess what, my 9yr old son likes your music too, really young fan eh, ha ha. Er, bye now, I'm sure you're busy." A true meeting of the minds, a conversation to be remembered. Robert probably would have ended up writing a song about it, I'm sure.
I'm easily swayed, so I don't want a bad experience with someone to ruin my perception of them. I too would rather keep my admiration for Mr. Smith purely professional, and for some reason I think that meeting him might be awkward for the both of us. He's here to entertain us and delight us with his marvelous songwriting and music, not to hang out with us.
I get very upset when I read about crazed fans. The more of those whackos we get stalking our favorite icons, the less and less said icons trust in their fans. For all we know, Robert could view us all as a potential threat because of bad past experiences.
So I say, if you REALLY like someone, leave them alone and LIKE them at your own house by buying their CDs, movies, and whatnot. And in the event you do get a chance to meet said hero, it's better to approach them with respect and curteousness rather than running up to them, screaming and waving pens and pads in their faces.
Poor Robert, he doesn't deserve the bother he gets from these fans...
Sadly, it comes with the territory...Robert does get unnerved by people rushing up to him, who wouldn't?? But, he treats people with respect, remains calm and tries to diffuse the situation. He moved from London to where they live now because of the "stalking" aspect of some fools. Couldn't have a normal life with his family without someone banging on the car windows, hanging around the house etc... Sure, some people think that he is "public property" because of the life he has chosen, but that is an incredibly selfish attitude. He is, after all, just a man, with a wife and a deep love of family. I think he copes well with the over zealous, much better than I would, that's for sure!!
:smth062
can you give a more precise link ! The link provided does not show Robert Smith. :? :?
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on April 06, 2008, 06:17:04
can you give a more precise link ! The link provided does not show Robert Smith. :?
the links I published in the first post dont work anymore because the person who published the videos set them as "private"
Do you have anyone this video downloaded from youtube... :roll:
found this one:
Q) Is it hard for you to see fans dressed or made up like you?
A) iots more and more difficult.Recently Italian fans came in front of my house..I was ill at ease. When i had to go to london , i had to give them an appointmentin a pub, because i did not want that they disturbe Mary.
http://www.musicfanclubs.org/cure/press/I120.html
Thanks for the link monghi and the short clipping from the interview.
I think the answer said it 1997 quite clearly - he wanted and i'm sure still wants that his private life is private.
Really hope that he has it :)
thanks monghi for digging this up - although uh-huh links to mfc make me feel kind of... ill. :? :lol:
so let's have a good old copy/paste instead:
Interview with Robert
Rock N Folk
December 1997
translated from french by ENAULT philippe
reprinted without permission
Q ) Why does this record call Galore ?
A) In my house i have many pieces of paper where are written words or pieces of sentences, which should be good titles. The word Galore means abundance and I think that is a good title.
Q) Why do you compile the singles rather than doing your own choice of titles ?
A) The last record which would be released under the name of THe Cure, will be a best of that I have myself prepared.Before then no. For my part, Galore is the following of Standing On A Beach. It s only a mere singles collection, which celebrates ten years of music, and which marks the beginning of a new Cure s area. In any case the Greatest HIts that I have in my mind will be mainly compose of dark songs. It will be destinate only for the pure Cure s fans, even if i know that the record company would prefer a compilation made of old songs, which are easy to sell. It s more and more difficult for me to impose my point of views.
Q) really ?
A) I suspect them to want the end of the band, because we do not sell as much records as it was planned . They want before evreythinf to earn many money. I can understand them. Moreover they are frustrated because they can not released any best of without my assent.
Q) After all this time in the show business you must know all their tricks ?
A) Iam older than most people in this company. At the beginning of the Cure, it was possible for us to be linked with people from the record company, but now every week there is a new manager and they have no idea of what loyalty means.
Q) What do you think of this second decade of the Cure ?
A) there is less evolution .For instance about my voice, ihave really found it when i was 30. And I do not like to lean over my past.
Q)Next year its the twentieth birthday of THe CUre. Are you going to do something special?
A: I had vaguely thought of touring with the original line up.
Q) With LOL ?
A) no, or with a dummy, which looks like him. Its hard for me to think of colloborate with him.Anyway i am not sure that it is a great idea to celebrate the 20 years old of the band.We will see....
Q) At the beginning, how did you imagine your future ?
A) I had any plans of carreers. I remind that i thought many times that it was our last record.A bove all during the recording of PORNOGRAPHY. It would have been easy for us to disappear after this record. We did not have a lot of success and i had the feeling that Ihad said everything. After the release of our first lp that we had released in 5 days, I said : This is alredy finished, i had now to find a real job. Then we earn enough money to make another one.It is only after SEVENTEEN SECONDS that i really began to appreciate music. THe only plan that i had for a long period was in 1987, when we had to sign up all our contracts again. So i decided to stop in 1999, when i will be 40 and truly i wonder if i am able to care about it. I have more and more the feeling that i act. But i want to finish this lp and then it will be the end of our contract and i will be allowed to think to something else.....
Q) do you have any idea ?
A) I know that iliked writting soundtracks, so I could hide myself behind the music.I will not be obliged to play an act.
Q) Is it hard for you to see fans dressed or made up like you?
A) iots more and more difficult.Recently Italian fans came in front of my house..I was ill at ease. When i had to go to london , i had to give them an appointmentin a pub, because i did not want that they disturbe Mary.
Q) People said that when you made MIXED UP, you had to rerecord A FOREST ,because Chris Parry have destroyed the master ?
A) He put the SEVENTEEN SECONDS tracks near of his washing machine, and the motor destroyed them. The worst is that there are two or three unreleased songs of this area, which have been destroyed too..
Q) And from PORNOGRAPHY or FAITH are there scraps left ?
A) There are 2 songs of PORNOGRAPHY and 2 from FAITH, and they are good,even if they did not correspound to the album. Next year i will release a Bside compilation with rarities, so i am listening every archives. I am afraid that it was a 3 CD. I have found surrealistic conversations in studio while we made PORNOGRAPHY .these are nonsense things.
i think i have the original article/mag somewhere, i should look it up & scan.
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 07, 2007, 00:50:50
But the "house people" are just crazy, going around his house like that and peering in the windows. It's no wonder some people keep this as a "no trade" video â€" the original people who taped it could probably be arrested for this. :lol:
was it really that bad??
poor Bob..
I've been looking for this video for so long and now it's not available... Somebody help me??
Such a annoying time for Robert. Some fans cross the line pursuing their "dreams"
Is there a way to have this video?
Way creepy to be at his house... I couldn't ever have that little shame to do that. Yikes.
They cross the line of being a fan of the Cure, to being a little obsessed with Robert Smith. And that's always ALWAYS a bad thing to be that into the person rather than the band as a whole