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Title: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Cure Freak on June 23, 2008, 19:14:41
i'm looking for a recent photo of Mary. it's for a drawing.  i googled to death and got nowhere. i knew this wouldn't be an easy task to find of someone who is so camera shy. but if anyone  can help me. i greatly appreciate it.
thank you
:)

Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: mint car on June 23, 2008, 19:35:43
hmmm... it's very hard to find recent photo of Mary  :smth017
I found only photo from 2002 year...

(http://i31.tinypic.com/23j5wnc.jpg)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Cure Freak on June 23, 2008, 22:43:52
mint car~ thank you, so much,  for your response. i have seen that one.
it maybe a hopeless case to find a really good recent photo. but, i thought i would give it a go, here.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Lady on June 27, 2008, 20:04:48
Maybe it's just a case, but looking at that pic I find very curious how she's walking so distant from Robert and I can't understand the reason of their emarassment... :?
They're married and I think there's no need to avoid the paparazzi as if it was a common "flirt"! :lol:
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
 I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: nausearockpig on September 04, 2008, 08:50:27
picturesofyou.us [might be incorrect site but just google it] has some images of her i believe

http://www.picturesofyou.us/poyindex.htm
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:40:06
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.

i've no comments about the way she looks, but one thing i always really wondered about was all that weird-o stuff she was wearing at times, especially around '90. just go to watch 'play out' and you see what i mean. i guess i just never understood why anyone would want to to dress up in what she's wearing there. :eek:
because it's not even something kimono like - the material of that outfit looks very stiff, something more like a tent cloth. anyone wearing something like that just looks all clumsy and puffy and shapeless. 
if she wanted to wear some self-made exquisite all-white witch costum (or something :-P), hey there's nothing wrong with that. but she could have paid a bit more attention to the choice of material.

usually i don't give a damn about what people wear, it's not important. just as long as they wear something tidy and clean then it's everyone's own choice. but in cases like this it catches your eye: because clearly, with mary (on the 'play out' video) you're looking at a person who wants to pay a bit more extra attention to the way she looks like. and i think she could have made herself look quite gorgeous - but she chooses to make herself look like someone wearing a white tent. why? i think it's a question of aesthetics, of having an eye (or not having an eye) for something. perhaps i'm surprised because i'd kind of like to think she'd have an eye for things - but i'm seeing something that seems to tell me she doesn't seem to have it.
anyway, just my impression. and nothing so very important.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: revolt on September 04, 2008, 10:45:34
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.

Well, it kind of depends on the particular pictures, but on these she looks really pretty:

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/85-86/86-robandmarymag.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/85-86/85-mary-rs-arm.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-puppet.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-maryrobertsmith.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/90-91/p-90-10-after-jukeboxjury-mindy-mary-mw.htm


Unfortunately on her wedding pictures she hasn't come particularly well, I think, but no one can be photogenic all of the time.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Lady on September 04, 2008, 14:52:42
I've always thought Mary was "pretty enough", nothing more. Anyway it depends on the concept of beauty that everyone has. :)
Surely she's a fascinating woman (maybe for her look, or because she's so mysterious!) and I think she's perfect for Robert, I can't imagine a different woman beside him...they look so similar and "accomplice"! :-D

And yes, it also depends on the pics: for istance I find her very nice in the third one and the fourth one posted by revolt, even if her make up is a little excessive! :)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: revolt on September 04, 2008, 15:23:14
Quote from: Lady on September 04, 2008, 14:52:42
And yes, it also depends on the pics: for istance I find her very nice in the third one and the fourth one posted by revolt, even if her make up is a little excessive! :)

Nice to see that somehow I managed to balance the way this thread was going... That "Robert makes a more attractive female" comment was  getting on my nerves.  ;)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 18:45:40
  IMO, Robert DOES make a more attractive woman.   :D

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2696/bboopfe5.png
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: sues777 on September 06, 2008, 03:50:29
Why are we picking on Mary?  I actually like her style...

Quote from: Lady on September 04, 2008, 14:52:42
And yes, it also depends on the pics: for instance I find her very nice in the third one and the fourth one posted by revolt, even if her make up is a little excessive! :)

I think she looks lovely in those photos and don't think her makeup's excessive at all.  But then, I'm a child of the eighties...you should see my first passport photo (taken in the late eighities) - augh!!  :shock: 
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on September 06, 2008, 09:52:54
Ah, Mrs Smith... I've not really thought of her as attractive or ugly. She is unique however, and I'm ashamed to say I stole a make-up idea from her! In (I think it is the third) photo revolt was kind enough to share with us, you may notice her lips are lined. I do that to my own, but in black. So I have to pay homage to Mrs Smith for that! In fact it was this photo that I just found on a website that inspired me:http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-mary-robert-vd-book-noframe.htm (http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-mary-robert-vd-book-noframe.htm) This photo is also in the book 'The Cure - A Visual Documentary'. That is where I first saw Mrs SMith, and those lips! Love it!
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on September 06, 2008, 10:05:01
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 04, 2008, 08:50:27
picturesofyou.us [might be incorrect site but just google it] has some images of her i believe

http://www.picturesofyou.us/poyindex.htm

This site is really cool! It's off topic a bit here, but there are some great images of the band on there! I LOVE Simon's hair in the 2008 section of the photos. To be precise it says "02/13/2008 - Forum - Copenhagan (Denmark)"
I'm getting ideas again! LOL
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Lady on September 06, 2008, 10:29:15
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 18:45:40
 IMO, Robert DOES make a more attractive woman.   :D

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/2696/bboopfe5.png
Of course!!! Betty Boop is my heroine!! I love her!!! You should see all my Betty Boop-collection of badges, bags, etc!!! :-D  I've always thought Robert was a sort of male version of Betty...she would be a perfect woman for him, ahah!!! :lol:

Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Cure Freak on October 01, 2008, 22:22:15
Came to thank you all for your suggestions. I've seen every pic on the links posted before, though. Was hoping there might be a good recent photo of her. I had to use an old pic and not of good resolution. In fact, ther are not many  good photos of her, resolution size.


Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: nausearockpig on October 02, 2008, 00:50:26
I think it's cool that the wife of such a public figure has managed to keep pretty much out of the spotlight.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: love_cat on December 16, 2008, 15:36:43
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15

Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.


oh, that was so funny ;)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: M on January 23, 2009, 20:52:09
I saw a picture of her at the official site, from her birthday last autumn, the thread is gone with the wind thou.:smth025
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: wish-man on January 23, 2009, 22:53:07
Quote from: M on January 23, 2009, 20:52:09
I saw a picture of her at the official site, from her birthday last autumn, the thread is gone with the wind thou.:smth025

And you didnt saved it?  :smth012 hard to believe, but could be  ;)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Hero on January 24, 2009, 06:56:14
Quote from: wish-man on January 23, 2009, 22:53:07
Quote from: M on January 23, 2009, 20:52:09
I saw a picture of her at the official site, from her birthday last autumn, the thread is gone with the wind thou.:smth025

And you didnt saved it?  :smth012 hard to believe, but could be  ;)

Huzzah! I've found it!
She hasn't changed much i don't think.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2zfitdc.jpg)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: wish-man on January 24, 2009, 12:44:37

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you very much!

But maybe someone who close to Smith Family know does she still with Robert or not?  :smth017
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: dsanchez on January 24, 2009, 14:17:38
Quote from: wish-man on January 24, 2009, 12:44:37
But maybe someone who close to Smith Family know does she still with Robert or not?  :smth017[/b]

of course they're together, he always talks about her...
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: sues777 on January 24, 2009, 14:25:45
Thankyou VERY much Hero!!  And no, she hasn't changed much...still fab...
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: mint car on January 24, 2009, 20:58:59
WOOOOOW, many thanks for this pic. Mary still lookes wonderful  :P
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: wish-man on January 24, 2009, 22:17:01
Quote from: dsanchez on January 24, 2009, 14:17:38
of course they're together, he always talks about her...

Not a fact, isn't it? Cuz in NME interview (or other, I don't quiet remember) he said '...the girl I love' and in 2005 or 2004 was a rumour that he were noticed with another girl blah-blah etc. simply last time I don't hear about her anymore. A friend of my saw her with Robert on Sziget Festival. She was behind the scene. And it was in 2002. So who knows? Maybe something has changed? Hence why I asking 'who close to Smith's Family'  ;)

Me, as you David, hope that everything is fine there, but just interestingly  :roll:
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Hero on January 24, 2009, 23:33:45
Quote from: wish-man on January 24, 2009, 22:17:01
Quote from: dsanchez on January 24, 2009, 14:17:38
of course they're together, he always talks about her...

Not a fact, isn't it? Cuz in NME interview (or other, I don't quiet remember) he said '...the girl I love' and in 2005 or 2004 was a rumour that he were noticed with another girl blah-blah etc. simply last time I don't hear about her anymore. A friend of my saw her with Robert on Sziget Festival. She was behind the scene. And it was in 2002. So who knows? Maybe something has changed? Hence why I asking 'who close to Smith's Family'  ;)

Me, as you David, hope that everything is fine there, but just interestingly  :roll:


Well theres a picture of Robert at the same party. That sort of confims that they're still together.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2yowrjn.jpg)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: dsanchez on January 25, 2009, 00:16:07
where was held this party? when are this photos from?
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Hero on January 25, 2009, 01:09:45
Quote from: dsanchez on January 25, 2009, 00:16:07
where was held this party? when are this photos from?

I think it was Mary's birthay party last year but i'm not really sure.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: wish-man on January 25, 2009, 02:45:26

Hero, I love you!  :shock: You have such a rare pics!  :!: Tht's cool! :smth023
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: love_cat on January 26, 2009, 11:57:45
Hello.

BTW, dear Hero, where is this thread with the pictures at the official site?
I can't find...
Could you link?

A bunch of thanks if you can link!
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Hero on January 26, 2009, 12:58:05
Quote from: love_cat on January 26, 2009, 11:57:45
Hello.

BTW, dear Hero, where is this thread with the pictures at the official site?
I can't find...
Could you link?

A bunch of thanks if you can link!


I couldn't find the original thread at the official site, i think i found these on photobucket or another similar site.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: love_cat on January 26, 2009, 13:26:05
nevertheless - very good - thank you!
nice to see Mary after so long a time ;)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: rubcure on January 27, 2009, 00:11:05
Wonderful pics thanks so much Hero for share this...  :smth023
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: chinesewhispers on January 27, 2009, 12:10:55
yeah, thank you very much  :smth023
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: punx_chix on January 27, 2009, 21:05:39
wow. interesting. i was wondering what she looked like these days.

thanks for the photo hero!
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: kissingcrimson on January 28, 2009, 02:45:19
beautiful! thankyou so nice of you to share :)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on January 30, 2009, 00:47:39
Hahaha, that party looked like FUN! Some of the ladies seem a little worse for wear in the photo with Mr Smith! LOL! but thats what parties are all about! :-D
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: dsanchez on February 25, 2009, 15:48:33
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:40:06
one thing i always really wondered about was all that weird-o stuff she was wearing at times, especially around '90. just go to watch 'play out' and you see what i mean.

where in 'play out' is she? I just dont remember...
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: mint car on February 25, 2009, 20:07:40
Quote from: dsanchez on February 25, 2009, 15:48:33
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:40:06
one thing i always really wondered about was all that weird-o stuff she was wearing at times, especially around '90. just go to watch 'play out' and you see what i mean.

where in 'play out' is she? I just dont remember...
in the backstage before wembley show for ex.  ;)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: alt.end on February 25, 2009, 21:44:16
Quote from: revolt on September 04, 2008, 10:45:34
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.

Well, it kind of depends on the particular pictures, but on these she looks really pretty:

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/85-86/86-robandmarymag.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/85-86/85-mary-rs-arm.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-puppet.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/86/86-maryrobertsmith.htm

http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/90-91/p-90-10-after-jukeboxjury-mindy-mary-mw.htm


Unfortunately on her wedding pictures she hasn't come particularly well, I think, but no one can be photogenic all of the time.


i dunno what you guys want...paris hilton? i find her VERY pretty AND charismatic AND intelligent. She and Robert make a cool pair.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: largeststarintheuniverse on February 26, 2009, 02:21:25
Thanks for the pic, Mary still looks very nice!
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: shelliebeans23 on April 21, 2009, 11:07:27
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.

Looks are not everything.  And Mary has been with Robert from the beginning, through it all, most likely when the rest of the teenagers made fun of Robert for wearing a dress to school.  That's more important than looks any day.  It's easy to "fall in love" with someone after they are famous, successful, and wealthy.  It's called "golddigging" for a reason.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: shelliebeans23 on April 21, 2009, 11:14:49
Quote from: Hero on January 24, 2009, 06:56:14
Quote from: wish-man on January 23, 2009, 22:53:07
Quote from: M on January 23, 2009, 20:52:09
I saw a picture of her at the official site, from her birthday last autumn, the thread is gone with the wind thou.:smth025

Wow who is that young man in the photo?  I wonder if it is one of Robert's nephews.  He looks a lot like a young Robert!  How cute!  Too bad he and Mary never had kids because they would be totally cool like their parents!
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: sootycure on April 08, 2014, 05:26:25
Quote from: APinkDream on September 04, 2008, 00:11:15
I know I'm going to get totally bashed for saying this, but, I have never thought Mary was attractive ---- at all, and she dresses wierd too, I mean wtf is up with the outfit she's wearing in that pic? And the hat?
I've read comments from ppl on various Cure sites saying how pretty Mary is. Then when I finally saw a few pics of her .........  :shock: :roll:
  I guess she could be considered pretty, if you like the uni-brow look.
Robert makes a more attractive female than his wife does.
  Once again, this is my opinion. Not saying it's right or wrong ; just that it's mine.

I think you need to be a bit careful there, your comment is in danger of looking just a wee-bit sour grapey. Try to avoid blatantly bashing Mary - she's nice.
Let's stick to facts - I mean come on, let's be honest - Mary doesn't have a uni-brow. A uni-brow has to meet in the middle. If you look at Mary, you'll see that she has 2 distinct brows that do not meet in the middle and are in fact very tidy.
Robert obviously appreciates a natural woman who hasn't plucked/waxed her brows into oblivion.
Big dark eye brows are a very classic and sophisticated look. They frame the face and actually make the person look younger. They also soften the look of the face as well. Mary is smart to have kept hers - because if you pluck them too much, they never come back. It's better to keep them, than be having to draw/tattoo them on later in life.
They really are one of those things - you've either got them naturally or you haven't. If you have them - keep them. That's all you can do - because once you've destroyed them, that's it.

Robert as a woman.....mmmmmm...Robert's eyebrows are bigger than Mary's and not as tidy [because he's a man]. Yes he's gorgeous...really REALLY beautiful [I could go on and on], but Mary is definitely always going to be the better female.
I've always thought Robert and Mary are perfect in every way. They even look like each other! :) Mary is the girl version of Robert and vice versa.
I really love the fact that she clearly wears whatever she wants and is comfortable in, because it actually works. She's got her own different, quirky style. It's eccentric, it's cute and it's her. I think it just makes her even more beautiful. There really is something magical about her. She's certainly a lot more interesting than most women. I really admire her and I can completely see why Robert loves her and thinks that she's the perfect woman for him. He said it himself - he said she's even stranger than he is. :)
She is his real-life Betty Boop. :)
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Ulrich on April 08, 2014, 10:38:47
Quote from: sootycure on April 08, 2014, 05:26:25
I think you need to be a bit careful there, your comment is in danger of looking just a wee-bit sour grapey. Try to avoid blatantly bashing Mary - she's nice.

While I agree, I'm not sure if the person who posted that quote you refer to, will ever read this, as:
Last Active: September 15, 2008, 05:40:35

Quote from: sootycure on April 08, 2014, 05:26:25
Robert obviously appreciates a natural woman who hasn't plucked/waxed her brows into oblivion.

Does he? Let's not forget he was already dating her back in their school days in the 70's! Back then most school girls probably did not pluck/wax anything at all...
While looks may be important at first, I guess RS and Mary stayed together for that long because they are soul mates (or something like that).
Both he and her have changed over the years. If the relation was based on looks alone, they probably would've gone separate ways many years ago...
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: revolt_again on April 08, 2014, 14:17:14
By the way, the most recent foto of (with) Mary I know about is this one from 2009:


http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/09/09-mary-Lily-carol-eden-n.jpg (http://www.picturesofyou.us/photos/09/09-mary-Lily-carol-eden-n.jpg)


Still recognisably the same woman, but now looking older, as expected...
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: sootycure on April 09, 2014, 02:48:48
Quote from: Ulrich on April 08, 2014, 10:38:47
Does he? Let's not forget he was already dating her back in their school days in the 70's! Back then most school girls probably did not pluck/wax anything at all...
While looks may be important at first, I guess RS and Mary stayed together for that long because they are soul mates (or something like that).
Both he and her have changed over the years. If the relation was based on looks alone, they probably would've gone separate ways many years ago...

Mary could have then and has had plenty of time since meeting Robert [at 15] - if she wanted to - to pluck/wax her eyebrows. She was a model for goodness sake. The eyebrows are definitely a choice and NOT a bad one. And while looks are NOT everything, Robert has made certain comments suggesting he DOES rather like Mary's appearance. Plus she clearly prefers him to look a certain way too. Robert has said several times that he looks the way he does, because Mary likes it.
Apart from getting older, Robert and Mary haven't really changed - not even in appearance. The basics are still there - hair, make-up, even the clothes to some extent....oh and wait for it - Mary's eyebrows are still there too.

I think it's pretty obvious that Robert and Mary's relationship is based on so much more than looks - because it's lasted so long and seems to be as strong now [if not stronger] than it was at the start.
I'm not trying to argue that looks are all important - I only got into this subject as a response to someone who was criticizing Mary for her appearance. They may be long gone now, but I still thought that what they said really wasn't fair.
Title: Re: a recent photo of Mary
Post by: Ulrich on April 09, 2014, 11:11:45
Thanks @revolt for the latest pic link!

Quote from: sootycure on April 09, 2014, 02:48:48
Mary could have then and has had plenty of time since meeting Robert [at 15] - if she wanted to - to pluck/wax her eyebrows. She was a model for goodness sake. The eyebrows are definitely a choice and NOT a bad one. And while looks are NOT everything, Robert has made certain comments suggesting he DOES rather like Mary's appearance. Plus she clearly prefers him to look a certain way too. Robert has said several times that he looks the way he does, because Mary likes it.

Yeah, I agree completely. Having said that she was NOT a model (yet) when he met her and he wasn't a professional musician, so thankfully it's not the "rockstar dates model" thing!
I'm sure he is honest about it, but then again IF he said in public he didn't like the looks of his wife, he'd be in big trouble when he comes home...   :lol:

Quote from: sootycure on April 09, 2014, 02:48:48
I'm not trying to argue that looks are all important - I only got into this subject as a response to someone who was criticizing Mary for her appearance. They may be long gone now, but I still thought that what they said really wasn't fair.

Yeah, again I agree.