Jason Cooper - A study of his style

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Who is your favourite The Cure drummer?

MeltingMan

Quote from: lostflower4 on June 19, 2016, 11:54:07
I will just say it, Jason is a borderline mediocre drummer (I think "mediocre" is a bit of a generous term. I meant, let's just say it:  If Jason were to leave the Cure, he would never find another group of such status, just as Perry never will due to their lack og talent relative to Robert, Simon, Roger, Reeves, and many who came before...
I picked out The Hanging Garden video from last Sunday,
only to have a relevant impression and it was, as usual, a
close-up from Robert, at least 90% of the time and not very
instructive. The mood in the band is so well that I can't imagine
a circumstance which favour Jason's booting out, unless the rest
of the group refuse to play with him any longer and that is unlikely.
He is so 'mediocre' to cover a wide range of Cure songs, unlike his
predecessors. I watched him during one of the London shows 2014
and nothing was wrong, not a minute...
En cette nation [Russie] qui n'a pas eu de théoriciens et de démagogues,
les pires ferments de destruction ont apparu. (J. Péladan)

BiscuityBoyle

I'm no specialist in drumming technique but that he's musically humdrum and unimaginative, compared to Boris or Andy, who delivered really interesting patterns and thought in long lines, seems unarguable. A drummer for a band like The Cure should be a musician, which he plainly isn't.

Jason isn't the only thing that went wrong with The Cure since their heyday, that's for sure. But having him must've limited Robert's palette as a songwriter: how are you supposed to come up with stuff like Snakepit or The Wailing Wall or If Only Tonight We Could Sleep with a drummer as terminally boring as him? 

MeltingMan

Quote from: BiscuityBoyle on June 23, 2016, 04:23:00A drummer for a band like The Cure should be a musician, which he plainly isn't. 
What then? :?
Looking back I think the decision to keep him in the group
was strategic right because it enabled Robert to implement
an open, rotating system for 'Cure musicians' in general and
to avoid the many line-up changes in the past for whatever
reasons. Otherwise we would have encountered never-ending
instability and a quickened decline of The Cure in the Nineties.
You can't reinvent the wheel.
En cette nation [Russie] qui n'a pas eu de théoriciens et de démagogues,
les pires ferments de destruction ont apparu. (J. Péladan)

Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on June 23, 2016, 19:35:22
Quote from: BiscuityBoyle on June 23, 2016, 04:23:00A drummer for a band like The Cure should be a musician, which he plainly isn't. 
What then? :?

A time-keeper.  ;)
Well, a (good) drummer once said to me: "I'm not a musician, I'm just a drummer".  :lol:

Many band members make an excuse to leave the room, if a drummer says "I've written a song".  :-D
The holy city breathed like a dying man...

BiscuityBoyle

Quote from: MeltingMan on June 23, 2016, 19:35:22
Quote from: BiscuityBoyle on June 23, 2016, 04:23:00A drummer for a band like The Cure should be a musician, which he plainly isn't. 
What then? :?

http://curefans.com/other-artists-48/

From Bach to Cypress Hill, from Debussy to Fella Kuti to Micachu and on and on ad infinitum. The Cure were a genuinely great band in their day yet today they are about as interesting and relevant as Nazareth or Uriah Heep. Tant pis, there are many others.

QuoteA time-keeper.

Not good enough, not for a band with a back catalogue as ridiculously diverse, ambitious and imaginative.

patitodark


Ulrich

Quote from: patitodark on June 27, 2016, 22:42:42
Robert had to wait until Jason starts ...

Did he? According to this post (and the following) it is the roadies/technicians who start them?  :?
http://curefans.com/solo-projects/jason-cooper-a-study-of-his-style/msg763535/#msg763535
The holy city breathed like a dying man...

Matti

Quote from: patitodark on June 27, 2016, 22:42:42watch Robert's reaction

I did. And I saw Robert in a good mood, smirking, almost laughing. What are you getting at?
and we close our eyes to sleep
to dream a boy and girl
who dream the world is nothing but a dream

Ulrich

Quote from: Matti on June 28, 2016, 13:16:39
I did. And I saw Robert in a good mood, smirking, almost laughing. What are you getting at?

He is (mockingly) shaking his head.

"...and the smile, and the shake of his head..."  ;)
The holy city breathed like a dying man...

Quadpus72

I miss Boris. I've never warmed to Jason's playing.

Fdipper

Did You guys know that there is a demo from 2004 called Jason#3?
It was the demo of Never.
Lime Green Lime Green and Tangerine

dsanchez

Just reviewed this video from 2013 (as The Cure is returning there this year) and noticed the following:
Overuse of cymbals (00:50 - 01:05)


No cymbals at all in the intro. The song is more powerful because nothing is 'warning you' of what's coming next..


:pensive:
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dsanchez

Jason appears in an article titled "10 rejected replacements":

QuoteThere are entire forums dedicated to (mostly unfavorably) comparing current Cure drummer Jason Cooper to his predecessor, Boris Williams. Incredible, given that Williams left the band 25 years ago and was neither a principal songwriter nor original member. A cluster of debatably coincidental factors appear to fuel Cure fans' huge nostalgia for Williams. Firstly, his time in the band coincided with the Cure's commercial apex, whereas Cooper's first contribution was to Wild Mood Swings, which sold less than any Williams-era effort. Swings also marked the end of the group's long relationship with producer David M. Allen, and a resulting change in drum sounds which irked many listeners. Additionally damning Cooper is the Cure's increased use of programmed drum loops live, to the dismay of diehards, since his arrival.

https://www.laweekly.com/ten-rejected-replacements/
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patitodark

As far as I can tell, the sound of the drums, the way of (over)playing drums & cymbals is totally Jason... (watch it on Youtube as for copyright reasons it's not allowed to be embedded).

The video is called "The Cure - Just Like Heaven - Jason Cooper"
(https://youtu.be/sut8Vn0XdOU)



Audio here: https://whyp.it/tracks/108946/jason-on-jlh?token=DefFI


dsanchez

Quote from: patitodark on July 10, 2023, 05:38:56The video is called "The Cure - Just Like Heaven - Jason Cooper"
(https://youtu.be/sut8Vn0XdOU)

Is that real? This is what was played at the actual Festival 2012 Tour...

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