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Title: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on July 05, 2007, 07:39:48
Got an email confirming it yesterday. Tickets officially on sale Monday 9th July.
Presale starts Friday 6th 2pm until Sunday 8th 5pm or until allocation is exhausted.

www.ticketmaster.co.nz.

Password for presale is title of their 1992 album.

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on July 06, 2007, 07:44:23
Just to confirm it is all on - bought 5 tix this afternoon and another friend bought 11!

Roll on August 14th  :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on July 16, 2007, 08:57:19
check this feed [or something] out:

http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/2007/aug/auckland-city/the-cure2.html
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Gothfiend on July 19, 2007, 00:24:16
Hi guys, are there any south aucklanders going up?  Helping out with a ride if so  :)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 12, 2007, 20:54:16
Hup Hup Huzzah - it's tomorrow night! Can't wait. My Dad rang me up to check if I was going - he saw an ad in the Sunday papers and even gave me some cash for tickets - how lovely!

Will post setlist when I can and try for some phone pics. I want to record it but don't have any mikes and can't afford any. Dunno if I should just get a crap recording with my mp3 players inbuilt mike (iRiver H340)


Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Sussex on August 13, 2007, 03:04:19
Quote from: psychophysio on August 12, 2007, 20:54:16

Will post setlist when I can and try for some phone pics. 


Really cant wait for that one..Enjoy the show man! :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on August 13, 2007, 12:59:16
Quote from: psychophysio on August 12, 2007, 20:54:16I want to record it but don't have any mikes and can't afford any. Dunno if I should just get a crap recording with my mp3 players inbuilt mike (iRiver H340)

you could try the following:

1. turn your stereo up REALLY loud [to the point you have to yell to be heard] and do a sample recording with the inbuilt mic or

2. plug in some headphones using them as mics - this works -  and test in the same way..

oh and enjoy youreself!!!

also to make sure i got the setlist right in Brisbane, i took one of those spirex notepads in [and a pen] and wrote a quick note each time a song came up - one song per page - that way U can't mess up the song order and i noted Encore start and finishes along with the main set.. and i had numbers pre-written in the top left hand corner of each page... yes very nerdy i know..

enjoy.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 13, 2007, 13:02:13
You can rockbox the iRiver so you can record in wav rather than shit mp3....anyone (Paging Dr. Crowbi_wan) know if you can revert back to the normal iRiver firmware once you rockbox it?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 13, 2007, 20:37:45
Thanks for the recording tips! I have Rockboxed it already in preparation for the show.
I didn't realise you could use headphones as mics - I shall have a bit of a play after work to try things out.

Good tip about the notepad too - my memory is not great at the best of times and I was thinking what I could take to write the setlist down. 1 song per page is nice and easy too....

Not far now!  :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 14, 2007, 13:59:25
Great show!  :rocker
No recording - too loud for my machine so no go. I danced and sang too much for it to have been any good either...
Setlist
Tape
open
fascination street
alt.end
the blood
the walk
the end of the world
lovesong
pictures of you
lullaby
hot hot hot
push
in between days
friday i'm in love
just like heaven
if only tonight we could sleep
the kiss
shake dog shake
never enough
from the edge of the deep green sea
wrong number
one hundred years
shiver and shake
end

encore 1:
plainsong
disintegration
faith

encore 2:
three imaginary boys
fire in cairo
boys don't cry
jumping someone else'e train
grinding halt
10.15 saturday night
killing an arab

encore 3:
a forest

Review tomorrow. Best songs (for me): the kiss, disintegration, fascination street and one hundred years.
And he said " see you again" - fingers crossed!

Mike
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Tof on August 14, 2007, 14:03:18
Thanks for the setlist psychophysio !!!

:smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rodney on August 14, 2007, 14:22:29
First performance of Faith on this tour......
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: boneheadhaggar on August 14, 2007, 16:04:27
Faith.........thank you for listening to us Robert :rocker

great setlist again, was it a long version of A Forest as the final encore? :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Plainsong on August 14, 2007, 16:05:32
Nice to see that Plainsong has made it into a couple of shows so far--I hold out hope for hearing it in the US at least once!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: [labyrinth] on August 14, 2007, 16:32:51
nice setlist...

FAITH !!!  :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 16:36:56
Great encore:

plainsong
disintegration
faith

30 days until Tampa.....
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 14, 2007, 16:37:32
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 14, 2007, 16:32:51
nice setlist...

FAITH !!!  :rocker

Why everyone likes faith?  :D

"All cats are gray" should be played, instead :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 16:38:33
That's the ringtone on my phone (All Cats Are Grey)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Plainsong on August 14, 2007, 17:03:24
Haha that's awesome--I'd rather hear All Cats than Faith too but I always thought I'd get my Cure fan street cred revoked because of it!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rodney on August 14, 2007, 17:37:47
I'd like to hear All Cats Are Gray in the set, but for me, Faith is the perfect way to end a Cure performance.

I have High as the ringtone on my phone.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Tof on August 14, 2007, 17:37:49
Quote from: dsanchez on August 14, 2007, 16:37:32
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 14, 2007, 16:32:51
nice setlist...

FAITH !!!  :rocker

Why everyone likes faith?  :D

"All cats are gray" should be played, instead :smth023

And why not "All ctas are grey" and "Faith" !!!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 14, 2007, 17:49:45
Hey, they ended with A Forest.  No BDC in there to cheese things up.  :smth023 
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 14, 2007, 17:51:31
Quote from: j on August 13, 2007, 13:02:13
You can rockbox the iRiver so you can record in wav rather than shit mp3....anyone (Paging Dr. Crowbi_wan) know if you can revert back to the normal iRiver firmware once you rockbox it?

I believe you can.  iRiver does have upgrades for their players.  Check the website.  If nothing there, googling iRiver firmware is bound to come up with something.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 18:09:03
Thanks Doc.  Sorry to have to pull you out of surgery to answer that one. :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Cold on August 14, 2007, 20:10:11
Quote from: j on August 13, 2007, 13:02:13
You can rockbox the iRiver so you can record in wav rather than shit mp3....anyone (Paging Dr. Crowbi_wan) know if you can revert back to the normal iRiver firmware once you rockbox it?
you can, no problem doing that. Either putting back in the root folder the original .mi4 file (the iriver one, I mean. I always back it up) and deleting the rockbox folder, or simply upgrading the firmware via iriver update (this kills all files in the player and install the newest iriver firmware)

Good setlist today, yes, with Faith all looks better  :D (I would have ended the show with the combo Forest-Faith, but I don't complain wherever Faith is played during the show :-D)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 14, 2007, 22:10:05
Quote from: psychophysio on August 14, 2007, 13:59:25
Great show!  :rocker
No recording - too loud for my machine so no go. I danced and sang too much for it to have been any good either...

Mike

I recorded the whole show - Iriver H320/Giant Squid mics with a 9volt battery box.Recorded from the back of the floor near the mixing desk.Keep checking my site over the next few days for it to be posted www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com (http://www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com)

I'm waiting a day or so for my ears to recover before I give it a serious listen and see what tweaking needs to be done but have given parts of it a quick play to check i have the whole show.The bass and kick drum sound was massive where I was and while Bob's voice is very clear there is some clipping on parts in the low end due to the aforementioned bass. I have heard a lot worse in the past to be honest and believe i can clean this up to a pretty acceptable level.

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 14, 2007, 22:16:11
Quote from: rybian on August 14, 2007, 22:10:05
I recorded the whole show - Iriver H320/Giant Squid mics with a 9volt battery box.Recorded from the back of the floor near the mixing desk.Keep checking my site over the next few days for it to be posted www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com (http://www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com)

That's cool! We will be looking forward to it  :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 14, 2007, 22:21:42
Gig review: The Cure
"The British act that hates to be classified (don't call them a goth group) thrilled a near sell-out crowd at Auckland's Vector Arena with a massive 3 hour and ten minute set that spanned the band's 12 albums."

Complete here
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4164824a1860.html
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 22:36:34
Quote from: rybian on August 14, 2007, 22:10:05

I recorded the whole show - Iriver H320/Giant Squid mics with a 9volt battery box.Recorded from the back of the floor near the mixing desk.Keep checking my site over the next few days for it to be posted.


Glad to hear someone taped it.  Any chance of it being uploaded in lossless?  If you need the sapce to host it, pm me.  I (as do others here) have a ton of websapce available to host it.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 14, 2007, 22:42:43
Quote from: rybian on August 14, 2007, 22:10:05
I recorded the whole show - Iriver H320/Giant Squid mics with a 9volt battery box.Recorded from the back of the floor near the mixing desk.Keep checking my site over the next few days for it to be posted www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com (http://www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com)

I'm waiting a day or so for my ears to recover before I give it a serious listen and see what tweaking needs to be done but have given parts of it a quick play to check i have the whole show.The bass and kick drum sound was massive where I was and while Bob's voice is very clear there is some clipping on parts in the low end due to the aforementioned bass. I have heard a lot worse in the past to be honest and believe i can clean this up to a pretty acceptable level.



:rocker

Excellent news!  You are definitely the hero of the day.  :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 15, 2007, 00:08:15
Quote from: rybian on August 14, 2007, 22:10:05
Quote from: psychophysio on August 14, 2007, 13:59:25
Great show!  :rocker
No recording - too loud for my machine so no go. I danced and sang too much for it to have been any good either...

Mike

I recorded the whole show - Iriver H320/Giant Squid mics with a 9volt battery box.Recorded from the back of the floor near the mixing desk.Keep checking my site over the next few days for it to be posted www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com (http://www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com)

I'm waiting a day or so for my ears to recover before I give it a serious listen and see what tweaking needs to be done but have given parts of it a quick play to check i have the whole show.The bass and kick drum sound was massive where I was and while Bob's voice is very clear there is some clipping on parts in the low end due to the aforementioned bass. I have heard a lot worse in the past to be honest and believe i can clean this up to a pretty acceptable level.


Sweet! My left ear especially is still ringing - I was on Porl's side about half way back with some good dancing space. Will keep and eye out!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 15, 2007, 00:53:43
My review of last night:

This was my 4th Cure show (Auckland 92, Earl's Court 96, Wembley Arena 2000) and definitely the most fun of the lot. Songs I wanted to hear were The Kiss, Disintegration and one hundred years, and I got my wishes. First time at Vector Arena too and thought it was pretty good - kinda like a slightly smaller Wembley Arena although capacity is supposedly 12000. Last night was close to a sell-out but there was plenty of dancing space to be had in standing. A few people were going for it in their seats (especially when the "hits" came on like Friday and BDC) but it looked quite precarious up the top.

Sound was good and loud but not too loud (although i really should have worn my earplugs) with nice clear bass and drums. I thought Porl's guitar was occasionally a bit quiet in the mix. Robert didn't chat much cos he said he "didn't want to lose his voice". He also made a joke about thinking his ears were ringing but it was the sound of the crowd (or something like that).

I thought the setlist was pretty good. I was surprised at how much I enjoyed Fascination Street and Hot Hot Hot - both songs I don't listen to much as I am a bit bored with them.

Blow-by-blow:
Tape and Open - good opening although I miss the 3 guitars, bas and drums just for the look of it.
Fascination street - huge groove, surprised me
alt.end - surprised me - quite good live
the blood - excellent - electric acoustic guitars! Pic of an amphitheatre in the background
the walk - porl playing the keyboard bits, good groove
end of the world - I don't like this one so time for a rest and crowd watching
lovesong and pictures of you - really good. Nice visuals of the single sleeves behind the lights - similar for several other songs on the night. Pictures had some of the "sparkly" keyboard bits - dunno if it was a tape or something triggered by Jason
Lullaby - good groove, Robert playing keyboard bits with mixed success
Hot hot hot - another surpise at how good it was - great dancing music and excellent playing by Porl
Push - one I hadn't heard live - good response from crowd
in between days - good
Friday - not one of my faves but got most people dancing in their seats
Just like heaven - good again
If only tonight we could sleep - change of tempo, you could see who knew it and who was baffled
The Kiss - first major highlight for me - started with Robert playing and Porl offstage for first 2-3 mins. I thought it was going to be a solo version then he came onstage. Completely awesome and worth the price of admission alone!
Shake Dog Shake - another good opener
Never Enough - just Porl playing and Robert singing - very good
From the edge of the deep green sea - awesome again - you could see who was into "Wish" in a big way buy how they were dancing
Wrong Number - surprisingly good - not one of my faves again but good for a groove and some guitar madness
One Hundred Years - another highlight, very powerful
Shiver and Shake - awesome! I got carried away and nearly forgot to write it down!
End - very good - my knees and back were really starting to hurt by now so iwas looking forward to a short rest before encores. They had played for around 2 hours by now

Encore 1 -
Plainsong - great surprise! Again, had some sparkly bits from a tape (I think). Porl played moast of keyboard bits on his guitar. Surprisingly good
Disintegration - highlight number 3 for me. He didn't forget or change the words, reasonably fast version and a few of the breaking window effects too. Very powerful
Faith! - really good. I don't think I have seen this live either - great crowd respnse and pic of a church in the background

Encore 2 - I was expecting the "pop" trilogy (CTM, LGTB, WCIBY) and was pleasantly surprised
3IB, Fire in Cairo, BDC - all awesome. BDC had nearly everyone dancing in the seats again. Lotsa people singing fire in cairo
Jumping someone elses train - great stuff - they had the train video playing in the background through the song. They finished before the train got there and Robert said something like "we have to wait for it to get there" before launching into
Grinding halt - frenetic and energetic
10.15 & Killing an arab - great again. I was hoping they would come back for a third encore but didn't know what they would play as they had been there nearly 3 hours by now

Encore 3 -
A Forest - not the super-long version of the Wish tour but great nonetheless. Robert said bye to everyone and looked pretty pleased at the crowd response. He also said "see you again" so we can live in hope.

Overall a great show for a fan and my friends who aren't as obsessive as me enjoyed it a lot too. Very happy - I just wish my body would stop aching (no dancing fitness any more) and my ear would stop ringing. I will put some pics up if they turned out any good (from a camera phone).

Mike
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on August 15, 2007, 06:10:07
thanks for the great review.. sounds like it was an amazing show.

can't wait to hear it too...  :D
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Sussex on August 15, 2007, 07:03:15
thanks for the review mike..i feel like i was there while reading you review :rocker


Faith!!! Wowww! :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: disintegration on August 15, 2007, 10:55:52
Great setlist!
Faith....  :smth007
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 15, 2007, 13:52:21
Now my ears have regained some degree of usefulness I have started to listen to my recording in detail.Here is a quick sample for you

Pictures Of You - Auckland 14-08-2007
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JANKWHW3 (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JANKWHW3)

One thing that is very noticeable is the level of the PA volume from early on in the show  till the latter parts.I pretty much remained on the one spot during the whole show and the volume had gone up from a pretty acceptable level as per this sample to physically feeling the air move from the PA and feeling like I was being hit by a hammer in the chest by the bass and kick drum in the latter parts.And all this while i was as far as I could get on the floor to the stage.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Tof on August 15, 2007, 14:23:07
Thank you for this sample !!!  :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Tof on August 15, 2007, 14:24:55
Any chance to share or trade this show with us in lossless !!!

:oops:
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Gothfiend on August 15, 2007, 14:37:40
Thanks a lot for this rybian, adds to the memory.  Now if only you could upload... :-D
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: japanesebaby on August 15, 2007, 15:46:14
Quote from: Tof on August 15, 2007, 14:24:55
Any chance to share or trade this show with us in lossless !!!

:oops:

indeed!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: temptation-cure on August 15, 2007, 17:04:05
cool an recording of this show!!
can't wait to hear it.. :)
in any format is welcome too!! :D
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: strange_day on August 15, 2007, 17:06:38
Quote from: j on August 14, 2007, 16:38:33
That's the ringtone on my phone (All Cats Are Grey)

Haha, thats brilliant...... but how do you know when youre phones ringing? Itd be too slow and quiet.... I bet you never answer youre phone, you just like to listen to the ringtone for 4 minutes instead, i know i would.  :-D
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: boneheadhaggar on August 15, 2007, 17:09:08
would be great if you could upload this show in lossless format :smth020
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 15, 2007, 17:55:57
Quote from: strange_day on August 15, 2007, 17:06:38

Haha, thats brilliant...... but how do you know when youre phones ringing? Itd be too slow and quiet.... I bet you never answer youre phone, you just like to listen to the ringtone for 4 minutes instead, i know i would.  :-D

My 4 year old knows the second half of the song, just from my phone ringing.  Once the phone rings, she sings along:

In the caves
All cats are grey
In the caves
The textures coat my skin
In the death cell
A single note
Rings on and on and on
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: mauriciocuree on August 15, 2007, 21:22:25
And how was Plainsong?
I love this song
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: x-rays on August 15, 2007, 22:37:47
Quote from: dsanchez on August 14, 2007, 16:37:32
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 14, 2007, 16:32:51
nice setlist...

FAITH !!!  :rocker

Why everyone likes faith?  :D

"All cats are gray" should be played, instead :smth023

As for me, I would really love to hear... Other Voices!  :) I think it's a lot of time since they last played it...
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rabbit_ on August 17, 2007, 00:17:37
Yes yes yes yes yes yes!

It was amazing!

Don't see what everyone was complaining about with the sound, I was standing about a row back but right in front of the microphone (But, everyone seems to be saying that.)

It was absoloutley outstanding and I can't wait for the recording.

Did anyone get pictures or video? I did see many people with their cameras out.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 17, 2007, 02:01:37
Quote from: rabbit_ on August 17, 2007, 00:17:37
Yes yes yes yes yes yes!

It was amazing!

Don't see what everyone was complaining about with the sound, I was standing about a row back but right in front of the microphone (But, everyone seems to be saying that.)



If you were close to the front of the stage you will find that a lot of the sound you hear will come via the onstage monitors and amps etc. The main PA at most shows projects out more from than in front of the stage area which is why it would not have benn as noticeable for you.After 30 years of concert going I can say when the levels from the bass and drummers kick bass were the highest I have ever heard from any band and that includes a lot of metal acts etc.Standing at the back of the floor it felt like someone was hitting my chest with a hammer.The sound guy definately ramped the sound up about halfway through the show and in particular the bottom end
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 17, 2007, 12:25:45
I should have the show ready and uploaded in the next day or so.For those of you who have PM'd me I can confirm this was not recorded in wav but as 320k MP3.However I will also make the conveted to wav files available as flac so you will have the best available quality possible from the master.In the meantime heres a track I know a few of you have been hanging out for

Faith - Auckland 14-08-07  http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PLU46WEI (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PLU46WEI)



Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 17, 2007, 18:02:49
You are not going to get any better quality by converting mp3 to wav to FLAC.  Once it is compressed down to mp3, it is worthless to convert it to anything else.  The idea of wav is that it is NOT compressed.  FLAC is a way of shrinking the wav file size without compressing the file.  You can convert wav to FLAC without compressing the wav file, but once it is in mp3, that compression is there for good.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 17, 2007, 21:29:09
Quote from: j on August 17, 2007, 18:02:49
You are not going to get any better quality by converting mp3 to wav to FLAC.  Once it is compressed down to mp3, it is worthless to convert it to anything else.  The idea of wav is that it is NOT compressed.  FLAC is a way of shrinking the wav file size without compressing the file.  You can convert wav to FLAC without compressing the wav file, but once it is in mp3, that compression is there for good.

I am well aware of all of the above but by creating the Flac files I can create the md5 file so  the integrity of the downloaded files can be checked
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: ernest newman on August 17, 2007, 22:21:51
a 320k mp3 is still quite good, we will take what we can get from down under! Please post the 320k mp3 versions!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 17, 2007, 22:54:51
Quote from: rybian on August 17, 2007, 21:29:09
I am well aware of all of the above but by creating the Flac files I can create the md5 file so  the integrity of the downloaded files can be checked

I thought people just check the the integrity of the downloaded files when it's a loseless format. Not for mp3  :roll:
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 18, 2007, 03:31:43
Quote from: dsanchez on August 17, 2007, 22:54:51
Quote from: rybian on August 17, 2007, 21:29:09
I am well aware of all of the above but by creating the Flac files I can create the md5 file so  the integrity of the downloaded files can be checked

I thought people just check the the integrity of the downloaded files when it's a loseless format. Not for mp3  :roll:

Gee and I thought it was all about the music not what damn format it's in.I really don't care about arguing over mp3 vs wav/flac/shn etc etc.Some of the shows I listen to all the time I have only ever got as a lossy format but ultimately I'm listening to the performance and not analysing the file format.Tell you what - just download the megaupload file I will post from my site that will be 320k mp3/wav/192mp3 - that will give you something to really whine about.

btw the md5 file is to check the integrity of the file that is downloaded to confirm it is exactly the same as the original file - format makes no difference,it's only the data in the files thats important.bye 
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: kissingcrimson on August 18, 2007, 05:01:39
this may be a silly question...but do I need a special code to download the 'Faith' in Auckland file? Cheers :P xkc
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on August 18, 2007, 05:08:43
the megaupload page should give you one of those "enter the text you see below into this box", one of those lines of letters and numbers with a funny background or lines thru it so a magical computer can't hack it an do something with the file...
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: kissingcrimson on August 18, 2007, 05:14:23
Cheers Javier :) yep you have to enter the letter in the box. yay! thanks
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on August 18, 2007, 05:32:45
no dramas..

it sounds pretty sweet...can't wait for the rest of it..
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Gothfiend on August 18, 2007, 05:39:20
Thanks again Rybian, very appreciated, cant wait for the entire show  :smth023
I really couldnt give a shit what format its in either, as long as it sounds half-decent.  Lets get some perspective, it is is a boot after all - sheesh  :smth017   
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 19, 2007, 17:47:18
Quote from: rybian on August 18, 2007, 03:31:43
format makes no difference,it's only the data in the files thats important.bye 

I respect your opinion, but I really have to disagree with this. Format DOES makes a difference. I will not go into details now, because there have been already a pretty  long discussion about mp3 vs loseless formats, long time ago. Marika put it good:

http://www.curefans.com/index.php/topic,3037.msg18346.html#msg18346

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 19, 2007, 18:00:18
Cure photos from this show
http://www.stuff.co.nz/308421a23835.html
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Tof on August 19, 2007, 18:04:52
Nice pictures  :smth023

Thanks
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Sussex on August 19, 2007, 20:32:56
Nice photos  :-D

What a cool pants Robert..

Is it a camouflage cargo?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: dsanchez on August 19, 2007, 20:36:58
Videos from this show in Youtube.com

Review from a fan


Lullaby


End


Alt.end

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 20, 2007, 03:50:27
Show now available from www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com (http://www.kiwiconcerts.blogspot.com)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: nausearockpig on August 20, 2007, 04:04:33
thanks so much.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
Thanks very much, rybian. The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me. I'd rather have this show in MP3 than not at all, that's for sure. I've never completely understood the elitism surrounding lossless; I agree that, by default, the quality of a show from a source kept lossless will be superior to the same thing converted to a  lossy format, but I think it's a bit wild to lash out at a taper for taping in a lossy format. Disappointing? Maybe, but would you honestly rather not have the show at all?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: [labyrinth] on August 20, 2007, 20:20:43
thank you  :-D

:rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Plainsong on August 20, 2007, 21:38:50
Yes, thank you!
I really like "End" here...it's very dynamic and I find that song can get dirge-like very easily live. Nice to hear it with a little more liveliness.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: psychophysio on August 20, 2007, 21:48:51
Cheers Rybian! Have been doing some reliving of the night through your recording. Definitely some man-size bass in there  :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rabbit_ on August 20, 2007, 22:34:01
Yay! The recording. Sounds great too!

Thank you for taking the time!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 20, 2007, 23:09:14
Thank you for the show.



"27. Roberts Psycho Mind Warp"  :smth044 :smth044 :smth044
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: strange_day on August 21, 2007, 01:37:20
Thankyou, a great show.

Some will beat me for saying this, but Plainsong is really starting to grow on me now.  ;)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rabbit_ on August 21, 2007, 03:53:47
I've always loved Plainsong - Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me is growing on me now and some of the songs from Wish.

And Faith. At the gig I was all a bit confused by it as I didn't think it was that spectacular - in retrospect after hearing it more I'm slowly loving it!
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 05:48:38
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

Thank-You !
I'm sure everyone will really appreciate that even more !
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: timmah on August 21, 2007, 06:28:12
thanks for uploading
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: boneheadhaggar on August 21, 2007, 08:54:38
thanks rybian, much appreciated :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: disintegration on August 21, 2007, 11:05:13
Thank you very much!  :rocker
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 21, 2007, 11:26:34
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52

The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

I'm not trying to be a prick here.  It is great that you decided to tape and to share the show.  However, the show is in mp3.  I do not see the sense nor the benefit of uploading your show in FLAC.  What does that gain?  What does it do?  FLAC is a way of compressing large wav files, then when converting back to wav, there is no compression.  mp3 is already compressed (n matter if it is at 96 kbps or 320 kbps), so there is no benefit of using FLAC.  The only thing that can happen is someone that is uninformed will receive the show in FLAC and assume it is lossless.  This is exactly how mp3 starts to infiltrate serious traders/collectors collections.

Again, I'm not trying to be a prick here, although I am sure I am coming off as one.  That is not my intention...just speaking my opinion, and one that I know is shared but may not be vocalized my many others here.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: lostflower4 on August 21, 2007, 11:46:02
Yes, the best thing you could do for us is to upload your master 320K file. I've heard that your uploaded version has track splits, so that must mean it's double compressed mp3? :?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Matti on August 21, 2007, 12:42:28
Quote from: j on August 21, 2007, 11:26:34
I do not see the sense nor the benefit of uploading your show in FLAC.  What does that gain?  What does it do?

Well, at least you won't have microgaps between 35 tracks - that's what I call a benefit.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: mikmcc on August 21, 2007, 12:57:28
Thanks for recording & sharing

I look forward to getting broadband again so I can download and listen

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: lostflower4 on August 21, 2007, 13:03:47
Quote from: Matti on August 21, 2007, 12:42:28
Quote from: j on August 21, 2007, 11:26:34
I do not see the sense nor the benefit of uploading your show in FLAC.  What does that gain?  What does it do?

Well, at least you won't have microgaps between 35 tracks - that's what I call a benefit.

I still say the best solution is to upload the original 320K file and let everyone do as they please with it.

And maybe record in WAV from now on, if I dare to say it. I mean, don't iRivers have 20-40 GB hard drives? :D
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: j on August 21, 2007, 16:35:36
Yes...the 320 has a 40gb HD, I think.  The 120 has a 20 gb
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: Matti on August 22, 2007, 02:46:52
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 21, 2007, 13:03:47
And maybe record in WAV from now on, if I dare to say it.

Amen, Reverend - 'nuff said.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 22, 2007, 02:53:19
Quote from: j on August 21, 2007, 16:35:36
Yes...the 320 has a 40gb HD, I think.  The 120 has a 20 gb

120s and 320s have 20 GB drives, 140s and 340s have 40 GB drives  ;)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: krissik on August 22, 2007, 03:24:20
Cheers Rybian, I was at the show with my girlfriend and few mates. We were up in the lower bowl to the right of Simon Gallup. Excellent concert. We had a few occasions of acoustic warble in the ears but not too bad. The show wasn't as loud as the St James in Wellington in 1984 or maybe that had something to do with the venue size.
Its nice to download a recording of a concert you've been to. Thanks alot for sharing mate, Cheers, Krissik. :smth023
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: rybian on August 22, 2007, 03:48:00
Quote from: krissik on August 22, 2007, 03:24:20
Cheers Rybian, I was at the show with my girlfriend and few mates. We were up in the lower bowl to the right of Simon Gallup. Excellent concert. We had a few occasions of acoustic warble in the ears but not too bad. The show wasn't as loud as the St James in Wellington in 1984 or maybe that had something to do with the venue size.
Its nice to download a recording of a concert you've been to. Thanks alot for sharing mate, Cheers, Krissik. :smth023

I was also at the Wellington 1984 show and also the show a couple of years earlier at the Wgtn Town Hall on the first Cure tour of NZ.I also saw Robert play with Siouxie & the Banshees at the Wgtn Town Hall about 82/83?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 24, 2007, 18:56:10
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 05:48:38
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

Thank-You !
I'm sure everyone will really appreciate that even more !

sorry but you complet crazy! you can't to read that he said master is in mp3?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:28:51
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 24, 2007, 18:56:10
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 05:48:38
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

Thank-You !
I'm sure everyone will really appreciate that even more !

sorry but you complet crazy! you can't to read that he said master is in mp3?

If he uploads the master in FLAC it will mean the show is available in best possible quality.
I don't see how I'm crazy to say people will appreciate it if he uploads the show in the best possible quality ? ? ?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:38:33
I skipped through the tracks before on CD1 which I burned of Auckland to make sure all the tracks were in the correct order.
I noticed that after Just Like Heaven when it is just Robert strumming the acoustic the recording cuts while you can still hear the acoustic (it's hardly noticeable).
I had already deleted the MP3's I downloaded so I can't check if it's in the original, could somebody please tell me ?, I'm not sure if my CD has a skip/cut in it that isn't supposed to be there ? Thanks !
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 16:41:06
The ONLY logic I can see behind uploading this in FLAC is so the tracks can be split without any loss of quality. Because from what I understand, the original version he uploaded is re-encoded mp3 (which is evil)

But I *still* think that the master file in 320 kbps would be the ideal thing to upload, even if it's just one big file.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:42:26
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 16:37:45
The ONLY logic I can see behind uploading this in FLAC is so the tracks can be split without an loss. Because from what I understand, the original version he uploaded is double-encoded mp3 (which is a really bad thing).

But I still think that the master file in 320 kpbs would be ideal here, even if it's just one big file.

What do you mean "so the tracks can be slit without any loss" ?
The download is already split into tracks.
And when you download a show in MP3 without tracks if you insert tracks which saves it as a WAVE file this does not lose any quality does it ?
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 16:45:55
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:42:26What do you mean "so the tracks can be slit without any loss" ?
The download is already split into tracks.

To put it simply:

This show was originally recorded/encoded in mp3 (bad).

When the tracks were split, they were encoded to mp3 again (double bad).

If the taper could just upload the original file, we could all split it for ourselves (or not split it at all).

Uploading FLAC is just a big waste of bandwidth and will probably lead some people to believe it is lossless. :smth011
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 16:50:49
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:28:51
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 24, 2007, 18:56:10
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 05:48:38
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

Thank-You !
I'm sure everyone will really appreciate that even more !

sorry but you complet crazy! you can't to read that he said master is in mp3?

If he uploads the master in FLAC it will mean the show is available in best possible quality.
I don't see how I'm crazy to say people will appreciate it if he uploads the show in the best possible quality ? ? ?


no but you're crazy to suggesting this:
converting some mp3 to lossless and spread it around - this is WORST thing to do! so do it for youself at home if you like to put some trackmark on the file but don't be all crazy and spread this kind of stuff on internet!
because ALL trader would be cheated with this untrue bad mp3-source version and it will only cause a lot of anger. nobody would appreciate this, it would only be cheating and betrayal of all traders and collectors and all who appreciate good source in music. it is already enough problem with people spreading this kind of stuffs so we don't really want any more of its.
nobody would appreciate this kind of "best possible quality". it is already compressed so it must stay compressed. (beside, i only now read it already double-compressed anyway!)

so sorry but obviously you don't know much about formats and trading because you even suggest such thing. please use your mind.
or maybe you are one of those people who like this kind of cheating and who don't know better and spread these bad mp3-source version around?? sorry hey i don't know, but anyway please no-one not to do this. it's nothing but very bad thing.
thanks.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 16:52:18
ok i not see other posts when i write my own post so i add:

Quote from: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 16:45:55
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:42:26What do you mean "so the tracks can be slit without any loss" ?
The download is already split into tracks.

To put it simply:

This show was originally recorded/encoded in mp3 (bad).

When the tracks were split, they were encoded to mp3 again (double bad).

If the taper could just upload the original file, we could all split it for ourselves (or not split it at all).

Uploading FLAC is just a big waste of bandwidth and will probably lead some people to believe it is lossless. :smth011

bomber read what this guy say and maybe you can learn something.
the only "best possible quality" in this case mean: the original mp3 file (in 320 kbps) - but even this if bad file for collectors.

thanks for attention.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:55:12
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 16:45:55
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:42:26What do you mean "so the tracks can be slit without any loss" ?
The download is already split into tracks.

To put it simply:

This show was originally recorded/encoded in mp3 (bad).

When the tracks were split, they were encoded to mp3 again (double bad).

If the taper could just upload the original file, we could all split it for ourselves (or not split it at all).

Uploading FLAC is just a big waste bandwidth and will probably lead some people to believe it is lossless. :smth011

Yeah I totally understand all that (it's basic knowledge).
I misread your comment and took it as though you were saying if you split and MP3 under any circumstance it will cause quality loss (not true if you save the MP3 file you split as FLAC / WAVE or some other lossless format instead of compressing to MP3 again).
- But I totally understand how this isn't an accepted method when "trading".
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:59:15
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 16:50:49
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:28:51
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 24, 2007, 18:56:10
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 05:48:38
Quote from: rybian on August 21, 2007, 05:02:52
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 21, 2007, 04:35:40
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me.

It's actually 256kbps isn't it ? Not 320 ?


The master is at 320K.If you can all bear with for a while longer I will also upload the master as well in Flac

Thank-You !
I'm sure everyone will really appreciate that even more !

sorry but you complet crazy! you can't to read that he said master is in mp3?

If he uploads the master in FLAC it will mean the show is available in best possible quality.
I don't see how I'm crazy to say people will appreciate it if he uploads the show in the best possible quality ? ? ?


no but you're crazy to suggesting this:
converting some mp3 to lossless and spread it around - this is WORST thing to do! so do it for youself at home if you like to put some trackmark on the file but don't be all crazy and spread this kind of stuff on internet!
because ALL trader would be cheated with this untrue bad mp3-source version and it will only cause a lot of anger. nobody would appreciate this, it would only be cheating and betrayal of all traders and collectors and all who appreciate good source in music. it is already enough problem with people spreading this kind of stuffs so we don't really want any more of its.
nobody would appreciate this kind of "best possible quality". it is already compressed so it must stay compressed. (beside, i only now read it already double-compressed anyway!)

so sorry but obviously you don't know much about formats and trading because you even suggest such thing. please use your mind.
or maybe you are one of those people who like this kind of cheating and who don't know better and spread these bad mp3-source version around?? sorry hey i don't know, but anyway please no-one not to do this. it's nothing but very bad thing.
thanks.

Yeah I totally understand what you are saying, again it's basic trading knowledge, but I was talking from the point of being a person who would download this and not trade it.
I have no intention to trade it, anyone who wants it can get it through download just like everyone else. Trading it didn't cross my mind, I was talking from the point of people downloading it and keeping it in their private collection.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 17:14:24
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 16:59:15
Yeah I totally understand what you are saying, again it's basic trading knowledge, but I was talking from the point of being a person who would download this and not trade it.
I have no intention to trade it, anyone who wants it can get it through download just like everyone else. Trading it didn't cross my mind, I was talking from the point of people downloading it and keeping it in their private collection.

yes but this is complet dangerous mind, think like "ok i upload this lossy version now but only for people who don't trade". because everything that is uploading to internet, it will some time end up to trading circles - because maybe you not trade it but it only need that one person who download this will trade it like this! and then some people upload it to some torrent and he forget to include info about mp3 source (because many people so often throwing away notes about shows, unfortunately!) = and then we have all damage and problem and angry traders to receive this bad show!

so it is a fool who upload something and think "this is not for trading". because you can control yourself for not to trade this show, but you can not to control who download it from web and what this person do with it!
so please don't go to promote such lossy bad source.

Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 17:19:28
beside, you original wrote "everyone here appreciate it even more!".
so to me this look like you not aware of this bad thing at all. it is lot of traders in these board too.
thanks.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 17:31:41
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 17:19:28
beside, you original wrote "everyone here appreciate it even more!".
so to me this look like you not aware of this bad thing at all. it is lot of traders in these board too.
thanks.

Like I said already 2 times before, my post was written from the perspective of thinking this was a download that people won't trade, because why trade it when anyone who wants it can just download it for their personal use.
So when I wrote that "everyone" will appreciate the master in FLAC I was writing from the point of thinking everyone who downloads the show will keep it to their own collection and have the master in a lossless format (like I said why trade it when anyone who wants it can download it) - My mind just really isn't in trading mode at the moment (I have more important things to be doing) and basically all the shows I'm interested in (2007) are all appearing on the internet (so there's no need for me to be thinking about "trading").
But I understand your posts, it's my mistake for not thinking that most people here are talking from a "trading" perspective.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 17:54:22
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 17:31:41So when I wrote that "everyone" will appreciate the master in FLAC

The only way to truly get the master in FLAC would be to travel back in time and not record it in mp3. 8)
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 18:00:47
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 17:31:41
Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on August 25, 2007, 17:19:28
beside, you original wrote "everyone here appreciate it even more!".
so to me this look like you not aware of this bad thing at all. it is lot of traders in these board too.
thanks.

Like I said already 2 times before, my post was written from the perspective of thinking this was a download that people won't trade, because why trade it when anyone who wants it can just download it for their personal use.
So when I wrote that "everyone" will appreciate the master in FLAC I was writing from the point of thinking everyone who downloads the show will keep it to their own collection and have the master in a lossless format (like I said why trade it when anyone who wants it can download it) - My mind just really isn't in trading mode at the moment (I have more important things to be doing) and basically all the shows I'm interested in (2007) are all appearing on the internet (so there's no need for me to be thinking about "trading").
But I understand your posts, it's my mistake for not thinking that most people here are talking from a "trading" perspective.

yes i can tell you  that my mind is not in this "trading mode" either, i have lots of other things to do too. beside, very few people have interetsing stuff to trades so only rarely i get interested anymore, rarely to find something new. 
but not to miss my point: even if you or i don't trade, we should to keep in our mind that many people on the boards are traders and lot of people do trade all time.
and so we should not to go and do things that will harm their work. otherwise we are selfish. it's not considerate to say: "i not have to care because i not trade". this thinking is bad for community because many in this community are traders.
thanks.
Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: japanesebaby on August 25, 2007, 18:06:03
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 25, 2007, 17:54:22
Quote from: bomber2007 on August 25, 2007, 17:31:41So when I wrote that "everyone" will appreciate the master in FLAC

The only way to truly get the master in FLAC would be to travel back in time and not record it in mp3. 8)

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Title: Re: 2007.08.14 Auckland - Vector Arena (New Zealand)
Post by: carycameron on August 25, 2007, 22:32:16
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 20, 2007, 05:56:54
Thanks very much, rybian. The fact that this show is at 320kbps means that the lossiness won't bother me. I'd rather have this show in MP3 than not at all, that's for sure. I've never completely understood the elitism surrounding lossless; I agree that, by default, the quality of a show from a source kept lossless will be superior to the same thing converted to a  lossy format, but I think it's a bit wild to lash out at a taper for taping in a lossy format. Disappointing? Maybe, but would you honestly rather not have the show at all?

I agree with this...
I certainly would rather have this show than not.