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Title: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 20:00:23
I may be in the minority but the "Wish" era is by far my favorite of the Cure's, and I'm dying for a Deluxe Edition re-release as they've done with the early records.  I'm new to the forum but couldn't find any info on if/when this might happen.  If it does, might all the amazing b-sides including Lost Wishes be included?  I'm more interested in having the whole era on a 2 disc set including b-sides rather then demos etc. (although those would be be cool too).  I ripped my Lost Wishes tape to mp3 and it's amazing how muddled it sounds!


Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: japanesebaby on October 15, 2008, 20:21:37
hi there and welcome to curefans.com.

Quote from: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 20:00:23
I'm new to the forum but couldn't find any info on if/when this might happen. 

the 4tour tourbook said the albums from 'disintegration' to 'paris' were scheduled for 2008 and wms and bloodflowers for 2009 (see for instance here see --> http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,4244.msg41171.html#msg41171)

i just "might" have some doubts that this will happen though, with the new album obviously having taken all the focus...
so perhaps the deluxe "project" will continue sometime 2009 at the earliest? or 2010? 2011? 20...  :? :lol:
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Janko on October 15, 2008, 21:15:29
I think if the new album does good, we wont see the remasters soon...

at least not in 2009/2010

methinks

;)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 22:03:22
That's bad news!  Why does the new record effect the release of these deluxe editions?  Is R. Smith the primary person working on these?  Has anyone discussed what might be included on such a deluxe edition?  The others have been primarily demos, but I want the complete Wish sessions!  A booming, crisp version of Apart or Elise or Off To Sleep would be incredible!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: ExplicitMoment on October 16, 2008, 03:16:51
I would imagine it will be a while before we see any more remasters/deluxe editions. Robert Smith has been very closely involved in both the remastering process and the compiling of the bonus material, and with the new album coming out he's going to be kept rather busy with touring and promoting that. Factor in the possible "dark album" companion that is supposed to follow "4:13 Dream", then it may well be a few years before Robert has the time to focus on the remaining albums to be remastered.

It's a shame, but I'd rather they were releasing new material than re-releasing the old stuff.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Janko on October 16, 2008, 12:38:28
Quote from: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 22:03:22
Why does the new record effect the release of these deluxe editions?  

Remasters and reissues and repackagings are the stuff bands do when they don't have any new product. And also, I heard there's gonna be a Blu Ray version of Trilogy soon. So I guess it's all on the table...

:smth023

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: pyota on October 16, 2008, 17:49:03
Quote from: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 20:00:23
I may be in the minority but the "Wish" era is by far my favorite of the Cure's, and I'm dying for a Deluxe Edition re-release as they've done with the early records.  I'm new to the forum but couldn't find any info on if/when this might happen.  If it does, might all the amazing b-sides including Lost Wishes be included?  I'm more interested in having the whole era on a 2 disc set including b-sides rather then demos etc. (although those would be be cool too).  I ripped my Lost Wishes tape to mp3 and it's amazing how muddled it sounds


b-sides are already on join the dots so i doubt they will be on the remaster. besides lost wishes (which will be great to have on cd since i don't have a tape player anymore), the bonus disc may contain open (fix mix), high (trip mix) instrumental big hand (from picture show video), secret gig versions of wendy time, away etc. from play out , and hopefully some unreleased songs.

i'm looking forward to the disintegration remaster more. apparently its going to have new remixes of all the songs. hopefully robert doesn't screw it up!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 16, 2008, 18:08:05
Both Disintegration and Wish will be amazing Deluxe versions... too bad it will be forever until we get them... Are the b-sides in Join The Dots remastered?  I didn't bother since I have all the singles anyway.  Lost Wishes, remastered on CD will be unbelievable.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: ExplicitMoment on October 16, 2008, 20:20:23
Yes Join the Dots has remastered versions of the b-sides
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 17, 2008, 04:04:28
Just bought Join The Dots finally... the tunes do sound better, and I didn't have a couple of those early tracks or the Doing The Unstuck remix which is cool... but this set still doesn't have some of the b-sides from Wish like the incredible alternate mixes of Friday I'm In Love, High or A Letter To Elise... and there's no Lost Wishes which needs to not only be made digital, but remastered as well...
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: japanesebaby on October 17, 2008, 08:14:04
Quote from: | SONA | on October 17, 2008, 04:04:28
but this set still doesn't have some of the b-sides from Wish like the incredible alternate mixes of Friday I'm In Love, High or A Letter To Elise...

if there ever was one rule about all these various "complete" box sets and compilations (whatever the band in question), it seems to be that they are never complete but there's always something missing. thanks to the record company policies, i suppose...


about remastered material: sadly, remastering doesn't always mean the sound got better - especially when remastering is being done according to the production standards of today (which are simply quite low, sadly).
'join the dots' was actually mastered well and therefore it sounds good (see the attachment: it looks healthy with no digital distortion on the waveform and therefore it's a pleasure for the ears). but what comes to the upcoming deluxe releases, i'm slightly afraid of the results as recently the cure has proven not to care about quality sound anymore.
i'll be surprised if 'disintegration' and 'wish' sound any better in their remastered form (it's truly hard to beat the late 80's/early 90's productions!). the only thing that makes them really interesting are the bonus discs. 'lost wishes' would be nice to hear in good quality, hopefully there'd be some unreleased tracks too. 
about later albums: WMS could actually be made sound notably better than the '96 cd version if it was mastered like 'disintegration' and 'wish' originally were. and i wouldn't want to sound negative on purpose but i just really doubt it that it'll remastered well. but let's hope for the best!

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: wish-man on October 17, 2008, 16:33:31
Quote from: pyota on October 16, 2008, 17:49:03
besides lost wishes (which will be great to have on cd since i don't have a tape player anymore), the bonus disc may contain open (fix mix), high (trip mix) instrumental big hand (from picture show video), secret gig versions of wendy time, away etc. from play out

Well, I can organize for you a 'special' deluxe edition, as we (I am at least) have all these songs and moreover in FLAC  :roll:
I'm waiting for something more...


Quote from: pyota on October 16, 2008, 17:49:03
i'm looking forward to the disintegration remaster more



Yes. It would be much interestingly than Wish IMHO  :-D

At least 3 demos of Disintegration ERA we have (Lovesong Lullaby & Pictures Of You)


Quote from: japanesebaby on October 17, 2008, 08:14:04
about remastered material: sadly, remastering doesn't always mean the sound got better - especially when remastering is being done according to the production standards of today (which are simply quite low, sadly).
'join the dots' was actually mastered well and therefore it sounds good (see the attachment: it looks healthy with no digital distortion on the waveform and therefore it's a pleasure for the ears). but what comes to the upcoming deluxe releases, i'm slightly afraid of the results as recently the cure has proven not to care about quality sound anymore.
i'll be surprised if 'disintegration' and 'wish' sound any better in their remastered form (it's truly hard to beat the late 80's/early 90's productions!). the only thing that makes them really interesting are the bonus discs. 'lost wishes' would be nice to hear in good quality, hopefully there'd be some unreleased tracks too. 
about later albums: WMS could actually be made sound notably better than the '96 cd version if it was mastered like 'disintegration' and 'wish' originally were. and i wouldn't want to sound negative on purpose but i just really doubt it that it'll remastered well. but let's hope for the best!

absolutely agree...  :smth023
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 17, 2008, 16:56:59
Quote from: wish-man on October 17, 2008, 16:33:31

Well, I can organize for you a 'special' deluxe edition, as we (I am at least) have all these songs and moreover in FLAC  :roll:
I'm waiting for something more...



I took my lost wishes from my tape to lossless AIFF and it's just the crappy tape that makes it sound muddled... A digital version would be my most wanted Cure release... and remastered would be nice too... The Join The Dots remasters of Play and all the other b-side sound much crisper, louder and some levels are much stronger... noticeable most on drums... definitely an improvement... you get all the genius early 90's production with a bit better sound.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: japanesebaby on October 19, 2008, 18:23:22
Quote from: | SONA | on October 17, 2008, 16:56:59
I took my lost wishes from my tape to lossless AIFF and it's just the crappy tape that makes it sound muddled...

i don't have the original lost wishes tape and haven't bothered trying to get one from ebay etc., because one cannot really trust what shape those tapes are in (they might be just as muffled as all the transfers i've heard so far, i never heard a really good sounding version - so perhaps those original analog tape copies are/were rather muffled too? i don't know).
anyway it would be sort of unnecessary to purchase an old analog copy now, before checking out the upcoming deluxe release first. and if the remastered version sucked for some reason, then i might try to get an original analog tape - lwith luck the ebay prices for the original tapes would have also plummeted down a bit by that time, thanks to the remastered release being available.

Quote from: | SONA | on October 17, 2008, 16:56:59
The Join The Dots remasters of Play and all the other b-side sound much crisper, louder and some levels are much stronger... noticeable most on drums... definitely an improvement... you get all the genius early 90's production with a bit better sound.

the join the dots remasters are really pretty good, imo. not pushed to the limit yet.
let's hope the upcoming deluxe releases can reach the same level too.  :smth023


Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: pyota on October 20, 2008, 16:51:50
the unplugged version of letter to elise would also be nice to have on the bonus disc. imo its much better than the overproduced album/single versions. although the last time i saw it live it came off quite well, it should be an acoustic song!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: revolt on October 20, 2008, 16:57:52
Quote from: pyota on October 20, 2008, 16:51:50
the unplugged version of letter to elise would also be nice to have on the bonus disc. imo its much better than the overproduced album/single versions. although the last time i saw it live it came off quite well, it should be an acoustic song!

I also prefer the acoustic version of ALTE as it appeared on the MTV unplugged gig, but I wouldn't call the Wish version "overproduced". I mean, it certainly is more "packed" than the accoustic one but it doesn't sound over-polished and there's enough space in it for the instruments to "breathe", so to speak.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: pyota on October 20, 2008, 19:55:37
Quote from: revolt on October 20, 2008, 16:57:52


I also prefer the acoustic version of ALTE as it appeared on the MTV unplugged gig, but I wouldn't call the Wish version "overproduced". I mean, it certainly is more "packed" than the accoustic one but it doesn't sound over-polished and there's enough space in it for the instruments to "breathe", so to speak.

i also think that they really ruined wendy time, cut, and the big hand on wish, compared to the great demo versions at the t+c club in the play out video. obviously we can agree to disagree  :-D
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: japanesebaby on October 20, 2008, 20:15:34
Quote from: pyota on October 20, 2008, 16:51:50
the unplugged version of letter to elise would also be nice to have on the bonus disc. imo its much better than the overproduced album/single versions. although the last time i saw it live it came off quite well, it should be an acoustic song!

i also like the acoustic version of the song. the arrangement on the unplugged version is terrific and there's no way the polished studio version could ever reach the emotional depth of that half broken and out of tune-ish toy piano tune. the impact of that sound is the same as when you see an old abandoned toy, a teddy bear or a doll, waiting for a child to come and pick it up, waiting for someone to save it, to make it live again. there's just no way how the studio version could ever beat that.


hmm perhaps they should have re-recorded an acoustic version on the 'greatest hits' album, as one of the acoustic hits.
especially since the studio version of the song wasn't even included on the actual 'greatest hits' collection.
whereas i really liked the idea of the acoustic hits session, i think some of the song choices there were really uninspired - not exactly bad but just uninspired. especially since their original unplugged session was so tremendous.
but well, perhaps they didn't want to do 'elise' because they didn't want to pick any of the same songs for the new acoustic session that were already included on the unplugged session.
anyway. just thinking out loud here.




Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: pyota on October 20, 2008, 20:20:06
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 20, 2008, 20:15:34
i also like the acoustic version of the song. the arrangement on the unplugged version is terrific and there's no way the polished studio version could ever reach the emotional depth of that half broken and out of tune-ish toy piano tune. the impact of that sound is the same as when you see an old abandoned toy, a teddy bear or a doll, waiting for a child to come and pick it up, waiting for someone to save it, to make it live again. there's just no way how the studio version could ever beat that.

agreed: also robert's voice was in rare form during that performance - although he screwed up the lyrics to the blood :)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: revolt on October 21, 2008, 11:41:10
Quote from: pyota on October 20, 2008, 19:55:37
Quote from: revolt on October 20, 2008, 16:57:52


I also prefer the acoustic version of ALTE as it appeared on the MTV unplugged gig, but I wouldn't call the Wish version "overproduced". I mean, it certainly is more "packed" than the accoustic one but it doesn't sound over-polished and there's enough space in it for the instruments to "breathe", so to speak.

i also think that they really ruined wendy time, cut, and the big hand on wish, compared to the great demo versions at the t+c club in the play out video. obviously we can agree to disagree  :-D

But we don't disagree at all regarding this last comment from you... Both "Wendy Time" and "Cut" have clearly been ruined in "Wish", to the point that they became annoying. "The Big Hand" sounds better - maybe because it is such a great song that it is a bit hard to ruin it  - but it is also clearly less weel done as a B-side than it was live or in the instrumental version heard on the video.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: fiction on December 06, 2008, 22:13:03
Quote from: pyota on October 20, 2008, 16:51:50
the unplugged version of letter to elise would also be nice to have on the bonus disc. imo its much better than the overproduced album/single versions. although the last time i saw it live it came off quite well, it should be an acoustic song!

Yes that would be nice. I really do look forward for the next four DeLuxe Editions.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: isamu on December 14, 2008, 12:12:03
I can't wait until the remasters come out. WMS, BF Paris, etc sound fine. But Wish is in D*E*S*P*E*R*A*T*E need of a new remaster, and maybe needs to be remixed ENTIRELY it sounds so bad.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on November 27, 2009, 19:55:35
Any updates on this?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on November 28, 2009, 18:28:18
Probably not.

But, speaking of Wish, there's a "Custom Optimization" (i.e. a private amateur "remaster"/eq'd) version on TPB - has anyone listened to an has an opinion on it?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on May 09, 2010, 01:39:45
Ok, so I see the Disintegration Reissue is coming, which is very awesome... any word on a Wish reissue yet (more awesome)? 
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: skellington on May 09, 2010, 05:05:52
That would be so nice to see because I have not been able to find even just an ordinary copy of the cd anywhere! :cry: If they did a deluxe maybe I would have a better chance of finding one
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: closedown on May 10, 2010, 20:06:10
Quote from: | SONA | on May 09, 2010, 01:39:45
Ok, so I see the Disintegration Reissue is coming, which is very awesome... any word on a Wish reissue yet (more awesome)? 

Maybe in 2012 for the 20th anniversary (or 2013 if they continue with those 21st anniversaries...). Seriously, it is rather a desaster what is happening with those reissues and I can't see a reason why they are all pushed back and back again. On one hand those companies all yell out due to money shortage + then they can't come up with the easiest money-grabbers, namely reissues...
Will be interesting to see, whether Wish will get the 3 disc treatment as well, if not, I think one can easily imagine it will end up in a similar way than Kiss Me. Hopefully the bonus disc will contain little to no livestuff (Paris + Show covered that already) and rather demos and outtakes.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cure-fan on July 25, 2010, 15:41:53
The Cure has recorded 25 songs for the WISH. ('A foolish arrangement' has been recorded later for B-side...).
They have had 40 demos (band members' home demo ideas).
They would have liked to record two albums in the same time: a normal one and an instrumental one.
There are 12 songs on the album, 5 B-side songs (+1), 4 instrumental songs (Lost wishes)...so, there are 4 unreleased songs from WISH recording sessions.
We know 2 other instrumental demos: 'Old England' and 'Heart attack'. I think these songs haven't been recorded for the album. I've heard two other supposedly existing songs from this era: 'Decadance' and 'Wedding dance'. ('Patel shout' was listed as a WISH out-take...but it is a WMS out-take.)

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 21, 2010, 20:26:13
They've remastered the albums chronologically so Wish has to be next.  This would need to be a damn box set though with the demos, Lost Wishes and other instrumentals along with the several unreleased tracks we've not heard.  That's like 4 discs.  In my dreams.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: wish-man on October 21, 2010, 22:15:56

I wish it would be 3 Discs. But third shouldn't be remastered Show CD  :roll:  And yeah. Must be alot of new instrumental stuff  :smth020
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: sideshow on January 15, 2011, 05:34:02
Quote from: wish-man on October 21, 2010, 22:15:56

I wish it would be 3 Discs. But third shouldn't be remastered Show CD  :roll:  And yeah. Must be alot of new instrumental stuff  :smth020
i m new here ,but ive been a fan since head, i agree totally , the third disc should be an audio version of the first 2 "concerts" from play out so i can get nice versions of away (a mellow version of cut iirc) , big hand , and  that nice 10 minute version of forest,
plus maybe some of that unplugged stuff as well. the wish era was very prolific and i would hope that show and paris get thier own remaster (maybe adding the tracks from show that were  cd-i only )  abyways nice forum!!!! :D
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: tothesky1988 on February 02, 2011, 17:54:07
Quote from: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 20:00:23
I may be in the minority but the "Wish" era is by far my favorite of the Cure's, and I'm dying for a Deluxe Edition re-release as they've done with the early records.  I'm new to the forum but couldn't find any info on if/when this might happen.  If it does, might all the amazing b-sides including Lost Wishes be included?  I'm more interested in having the whole era on a 2 disc set including b-sides rather then demos etc. (although those would be be cool too).  I ripped my Lost Wishes tape to mp3 and it's amazing how muddled it sounds!

Absolutely agree with you here, though the current pressing for Wish sounds fine, I just hope the new version doesn't suffer the loudness war issues, look at the "Entreat deluxe" edition, which sounds like crap. But I hold hope they add some glorious extras, and package it all nicely.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: tothesky1988 on February 02, 2011, 17:57:15
Quote from: Matti on November 28, 2009, 18:28:18
Probably not.

But, speaking of Wish, there's a "Custom Optimization" (i.e. a private amateur "remaster"/eq'd) version on TPB - has anyone listened to an has an opinion on it?

I have it, they simply added more on the bass end, so you could feel the impact of tunes like Open and FTEODGS, it's nothing special, but removes the need to use equalizer if you are upset with the "flat" sound of the album.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on February 02, 2011, 19:10:14
Is there still no news on this reissue?  We're now quite a while after the Disintegration reissue so this should be starting to happen no?  I've been waiting for this thing forever.

I'm personally not into the live stuff as much as remastered versions of all the material they recorded during this period in one awesome package.  I have the standard b-sides remastered from the Box set but rare stuff like Lost Wishes and the handful of unreleased songs would be incredible... I'm sure they'll give us a plethora of weird Smith demos too which is what I'd prefer for the 3rd disc to be, not live stuff.... unless they can fit the album, Lost Wishes, the unreleased tracks/versions and demos on two discs, which I doubt. 

Are they going to make us wait until 2012 for a 20th anniversary edition?

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: tothesky1988 on February 02, 2011, 19:16:18
Quote from: | SONA | on February 02, 2011, 19:10:14
Is there still no news on this reissue?  We're now quite a while after the Disintegration reissue so this should be starting to happen no?  I've been waiting for this thing forever.

I'm personally not into the live stuff as much as remastered versions of all the material they recorded during this period in one awesome package.  I have the standard b-sides remastered from the Box set but rare stuff like Lost Wishes and the handful of unreleased songs would be incredible... I'm sure they'll give us a plethora of weird Smith demos too which is what I'd prefer for the 3rd disc to be, not live stuff.... unless they can fit the album, Lost Wishes, the unreleased tracks/versions and demos on two discs, which I doubt. 

Are they going to make us wait until 2012 for a 20th anniversary edition?

My guess is they're not really focused on, or concerned about Wish at the moment. And if they are, they're probably trying to sort out what should be put out, releasing Join The Dots as they did, I think their feelings on b-sides and the like are that "they're out there", though lost wishes would be a surprise, and instantly would be worth whatever they charge.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 25, 2011, 21:11:23
where's the news on this!!??  They must do a 20th anniversary edition for 2012.  ARRHHH
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition 3 CD
Post by: Sartr on March 28, 2011, 11:56:31
Hi, guys! I found it today, i think its promo edition, the quality of main album seems sounds better, it's remastered
http://clubs.ya.ru/indie/replies.xml?item_no=1408
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on March 28, 2011, 12:25:27
Nice try...

1. The given picture depicts a US back cover of the Wish CD, the MC cover, the CD itself, a label of one of the vinyl discs, and the back cover of the Pure Cure promo sampler, all issued in 1992.

2. Apart from Wendy Time (demo), Heart Attack + Sivvy, CD 2 features tracks that have been widely available for a long time. After Galore and Greatest Hits, why should they release a "Rarities" CD that contains single / 7" Mixes?

3. A live CD... oh yeah. Ever heard of Show and Paris?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 28, 2011, 18:59:07
Damn it.  This is obviously a fake but I'd still pay $30+ for Lost Wishes and a few rarities like a Wendy Time demo, Heart Attack & Sivvy... when the real one comes out.  I hope they use the third disk for rare studio recordings, mixes or demos... please no more live discs!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 29, 2011, 21:47:04
Found this:  says he was doing Disintegration, Wish and Mixed Up 2 all in a row!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl-_pne6g9g&feature=related
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 30, 2011, 00:54:29
Could someone who knows please list all the known studio recordings from the Wish era, including alternate mixes etc.  Thx.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on March 30, 2011, 09:04:45
- Wish album tracks
- High single (single mix, Higher mix + 2 b-sides)
- FIIL (single mix, Strangelove mix + 2 b-sides)
- Elise single (single mix, Blue mix + 2 b-sides)
- Lost Wishes
- High (Trip mix)
- Open (Fix mix)
- Doing the Unstuck (extd. mix)
- Elise (extd. mix)
- Elise "semi-instrumental" (without main vocals)

Other than that, I guess any speculation about a remaster/deluxe doesn't make sense until we get any info from CoF and/or the official site...
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 30, 2011, 20:07:32
ok, so here is what I have then.  Asterisks were included on Join The Dots (which were remastered).  R. Smith mentioned doing a Mixed Up 2 along with the Wish Remaster so all or most of those remixes may not end up on the Wish box set?  Any other rare songs from the Wish era not on this list?


01 Open (6:51)
02 High (3:37)
03 Apart (6:40)
04 From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea (7:44)
05 Wendy Time (5:13)
06 Doing the Unstuck (4:24)
07 Friday I'm in Love (3:39)
08 Trust (5:33)
09 A Letter to Elise (5:14)
10 Cut (5:55)
11 To Wish Impossible Things (4:43)
12 End (6:46)

13 High (Single mix)
14 High (Higher remix)
15 High (Trip mix)
16 Play*
17 This Twilight Garden*
18 Open (Fix mix)

19 Friday I'm In Love (Single mix)
20 Halo*
21 Sacred As You*
22 Friday I'm In Love (Strangelove remix)

23 A Letter To Elise (Single mix)
24 A Letter To Elise (Blue mix)
25 A Letter To Elise (Extended mix)
26 A Letter To Elise (Semi-instrumental)
27 The Big Hand*
28 A Foolish Arrangement*

29 Uyea Sound (Instrumental)
30 Cloudberry (Instrumental)
31 Off To Sleep (Instrumental)
32 The Three Sisters (Instrumental)

33 Doing The Unstuck (Extended Saunders mix)*
34 The Big Hand (Instrumental)

35 Old England (Instrumental) ?
36 Heart Attack (Instrumental) ?
37 Decadence ?
38 Wedding Dance ?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: davidgoliath77 on March 31, 2011, 10:17:38
Quote from: | SONA | on October 15, 2008, 20:00:23
I may be in the minority but the "Wish" era is by far my favorite of the Cure's, and I'm dying for a Deluxe Edition re-release as they've done with the early records.  I'm new to the forum but couldn't find any info on if/when this might happen.  If it does, might all the amazing b-sides including Lost Wishes be included?  I'm more interested in having the whole era on a 2 disc set including b-sides rather then demos etc. (although those would be be cool too).  I ripped my Lost Wishes tape to mp3 and it's amazing how muddled it sounds!

eh, it's 2011 and so far no sign of this happening.....

SONA, to me Wish is by far the best album that Robert and Co. had put out. I love them all but Wish holds a very special place in my heart.

Gosh, I was just finishing school when it came out and it was a perfect soundtrack for entering the adult life.

Memories memories :)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 31, 2011, 17:29:04
I've added The Big Hand Instrumental to the above list.  Does anyone have the Elise Instrumental?  That's the only rarity I don't own (I think)...
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on March 31, 2011, 19:08:17
By The Big Hand instrumental you mean the version from which an excerpt can be heard during the credits of the Picture Show video?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 31, 2011, 19:20:38
Quote from: Matti on March 31, 2011, 19:08:17
By The Big Hand instrumental you mean the version from which an excerpt can be heard during the credits of the Picture Show video?

Yeah, there was a version of The Big Hand mixed in instrumental form... used for the Picture Show video... although we've only got the 1:40 segment to this point, unless it's out there somewhere.

I also added 4 songs to the above list that haven't been verified which were supposedly demoed and/or tracked during the Wish sessions.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on April 01, 2011, 09:56:38
Quote from: davidgoliath77 on March 31, 2011, 10:17:38I love them all but Wish holds a very special place in my heart.

Same here! I used to love "Disintegration" as well, but it wasn't the happiest time of my life (thus "Disintegration" was of course the perfect soundtrack to it!). Then I waited for a follow-up ("Never enough" already hinted at more guitars being used), when "Wish" finally was released, I was very happy. I really like to remember that time, most of them are happy memories (incl. my first Cure concert)!

In short, I hope for a remastered re-release too! Would be fine if this came out within the next 15 months or so, to celebrate the 20th anniversary of "Wish".  :D
(Seeing "Mixed Up" and "Wish" are the "next in line", it should be possible!)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: andyhare77 on July 06, 2011, 09:02:35
Quote from: Ulrich on April 01, 2011, 09:56:38
Quote from: davidgoliath77 on March 31, 2011, 10:17:38I love them all but Wish holds a very special place in my heart.

Same here! I used to love "Disintegration" as well, but it wasn't the happiest time of my life (thus "Disintegration" was of course the perfect soundtrack to it!). Then I waited for a follow-up ("Never enough" already hinted at more guitars being used), when "Wish" finally was released, I was very happy. I really like to remember that time, most of them are happy memories (incl. my first Cure concert)!

In short, I hope for a remastered re-release too! Would be fine if this came out within the next 15 months or so, to celebrate the 20th anniversary of "Wish".  :D
(Seeing "Mixed Up" and "Wish" are the "next in line", it should be possible!)

Ulrich, David, I am pretty much with you, however, quite often I switch between the two albums. I think Wish is still my favorite but sometimes I just prefer disintegration. I guess it's the album you need to be in a mood for.

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Post by: | SONA | on January 16, 2012, 05:31:23
ok, it's 2012, that means it's time for a 20th anniversary reissue of Wish!  Where is it?!! 
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on March 03, 2012, 19:06:32
I didn't see this a couple months ago, this is promising, though no actual sources are named. We'll find out next month if Record Store Day produces a FIIL single...

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/12/07/the-cure-wish-reissue-friday-im-in-love-record-store-day-single/ (http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/12/07/the-cure-wish-reissue-friday-im-in-love-record-store-day-single/)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on March 05, 2012, 10:22:31
Sounds good and gives hope!
You never know these days, like with "Disintegration" it might be late and a 21st anniversary reissue...

But it would be perfect, as a new album seems to be out later (I don't expect one with all the festival shows lined up for summer). Thus a "Wish" deluxe edition would be fine for 2012 and a new album later in the year or early 2013... We'll have to wait and see (as usual).
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on March 14, 2012, 18:42:46
News just in: "Wish" remaster deluxe cd confirmed by Robert for this year!
http://craigjparker.blogspot.com/2012/03/robert-interview-in-new-nme.html (http://craigjparker.blogspot.com/2012/03/robert-interview-in-new-nme.html)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SidneyCure on July 27, 2012, 13:51:36
Doing the Unstuck 12" mix should be on CD2!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on September 15, 2012, 13:46:31
Still no sign/news of this re-release?
I hope it'll be out before Xmas. The band performed quite a few songs from this album during the summer tour, so to me it would make sense to release this soon.

Or will it be a "21st anniversary issue" like with Disintegration?  :roll:
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SidneyCure on September 30, 2012, 15:00:13
It should be a really fat beefed up package (like Disint.)

CD. 1 : Wish (Remastered)
CD. 2 : Lost Wishes EP
CD. 3 : B-Sides/Single Mixes/Remixes
CD. 4 : Demos
CD. 5 : Show (Remastered) [Including the songs that were only available on the VHS - eg. A Forest & Boys Don't Cry] & Side Show EP
CD. 6 : Paris (Remastered)
DVD. 1: Show

Any extras?
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on September 30, 2012, 18:07:36
I don't think they will need one whole disc for an EP!
B-sides are on "Join the dots", so they will only feature in demo/rough versions...

Not sure about Show/Paris live recordings, if they would be remastered, I guess these would make their own package.
We'll have to wait and see (as usual). Why am I repeating myself?  ;)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SidneyCure on September 30, 2012, 18:34:44
Yeah guess UR right about the EP. Erm, I dont know about Show/Paris.
Personally, I wouldn't mind about wether they were separate or on Wish. I already have Paris on CD anyway
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on August 11, 2015, 14:23:02
Nice article just found about the "lost wishes" and also someone who's been waiting for the re-issue!

QuoteWish was the 9th, and certainly the most commercially successful album from The Cure. Despite this, there is yet to be a Deluxe Edition released through Rhino—who seem to have stopped with The Cure Reissues with 1989's Disintegration.

http://www.post-punk.com/the-cures-rarest-4-songs-the-lost-wishes-ep/ (http://www.post-punk.com/the-cures-rarest-4-songs-the-lost-wishes-ep/)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: MeltingMan on August 12, 2015, 16:34:17
Quote from: ExplicitMoment on October 16, 2008, 03:16:51
I would imagine it will be a while before we see any more remasters/deluxe editions.
It's a shame, but I'd rather they were releasing new material than re-releasing the old stuff.
I tend in the same direction.The Deluxe Edition has been overdue for years and that means something.
I believe that Robert (considering former members too) is reluctant to extend the copyright period for Wish.Maybe I'm wrong,but I think that Wish Deluxe will not materialize as previously described
and expected. :(
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on August 12, 2015, 19:17:47
It would've been nice in 2012...

Quote from: MeltingMan on August 12, 2015, 16:34:17
I believe that Robert (considering former members too) is reluctant to extend the copyright period for Wish.

In this case, I don't think Robert is the hold-up. Probably more the record companies, not wanting to spend the extra pennies for extensive booklets and double CDs and then people don't buy many of them.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: MeltingMan on August 14, 2015, 19:02:50
Quote from: Ulrich on August 12, 2015, 19:17:47and then people don't buy many of them.
A limited run would be quickly sold out. I can even imagine a compilation which has
drawn together with rare and/or unfinished material from the Wish,WMS and 4:13 Dream period,
but I know it's just speculation or a single thought. ;)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on August 21, 2015, 23:07:54
Quote from: MeltingMan on August 14, 2015, 19:02:50
Quote from: Ulrich on August 12, 2015, 19:17:47and then people don't buy many of them.
A limited run would be quickly sold out.I can even imagine a compilation which has
drawn together with rare and/or unfinished material from the Wish,WMS and 4:13 Dream period,
but I know it's just speculation or a single thought. ;)

It's unfortunate but that will never happen.  Record companies rarely welcome the opportunity to work together to make a product that would otherwise be impossible.  In fact they generally hate each other.  BUT...now that there is a lord god high Record Company, UNIVERSAL, it may be possible since they own f*****g everything!  Except the independents of course, but when the offers start getting too good to pass up, they'll start disappearing as well.  Music is dying and no one seems to have a reasonable solution...I sure don't.  Can't wait for the Wish deluxe edition.  Really!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: MeltingMan on August 22, 2015, 14:33:04
Quote from: cheyler on August 21, 2015, 23:07:54Can't wait for the Wish deluxe edition.  Really!
I don't know. SONA restarted the subject several times in a space of
four years and sadly disappeared. I'm feeling sorry for him/her.
Lost Wishes sounds wonderful. How many fans would recognize The Cure's music without Robert's
voice? Not many. I think it's time for Wish Deluxe!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Denise on August 23, 2015, 08:17:26
The Cure's sound works with or without vocals, always.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on August 23, 2015, 18:23:06
RE: Lost wishes, the music  is distinctively The Cure, and a couple of the tunes would not be out of place on 'Wish'.  I'd go so far as to say a couple of the tunes are better than one or two on the album.  Like...Wendy Time and even End.  Perfect example of the law of diminishing returns, End never turns out to be greater than the sum of the parts.  Lots of effort but very little to show for it.  I wouldn't mind if they never played it again...providing they ever do play again, that is...
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on October 04, 2016, 06:59:06
I still check in on this every now and then, quite disheartening this thread has been up for so many years with no hint of the reissue.  A few of my other favorite albums by bands have come out with incredible box-sets featuring unreleased material but not a word on Wish.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on October 05, 2016, 04:46:18
The three remaining albums I'd like to have in deluxe editions are Wish, Show and Paris.  This for me is my all-time favorite era of The Cure, 1989-1992.  I change my mind from time to time and the 2008 band is my favorite for awhile, then I go back and start the whole thing over again.  I LOVE the guitars and Porl was on fire, especially after Roger left.  Porl was sort of pushed into a corner and given very few parts to play.  Gee, I wonder if that had anything to do with Roger leaving?  Porl must have felt like he was working underwater with ALL those keyboards in every song.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on October 06, 2016, 11:50:28
Quote from: | SONA | on October 04, 2016, 06:59:06
A few of my other favorite albums by bands have come out with incredible box-sets featuring unreleased material but not a word on Wish.

We had that with The Cure as well, from "TIB" up to "Disintegration". I too had hoped for this one (seeing "Wish" was a big seller, unlike the following album), but maybe the band or the record company didn't agree with something or other when it came to details concerning the re-issue.
My main "wish" was of course hearing re-mastered versions of the "Lost wishes" (or even unreleased instrumentals).
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on April 16, 2018, 12:05:36
Now that "Mixed Up" will see a "remastered" version out very soon, I think we can look towards "Wish" remaster being the next one!  :smth023

http://craigjparker.blogspot.de/2018/04/want-time-mix-debuts-on-bbc-6.html
Quote
Also aired a bit more of the interview with Robert, where he confirmed that the 'Wish' remaster is finished and will be the next Deluxe Edition released.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on April 16, 2018, 20:04:14
YES!  Can't wait...!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Borl Poris on April 22, 2018, 19:21:04
Now that record store day is over and I got my vinyl copy of Torn Down and the download code, it's all about Wish for me now. I hope we aren't years away from release.

One thing that excited me reading this old thread was about the Paris remaster.
Its probably fallen off Robert's back burner years ago. I'm just hopeful it still gets a release. All those songs recorded over three shows in 92 have me drooling. I can only imagine how amazing it could be and will be even more amazed if it actually gets released

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: PearlThompsonsBloodflower on April 23, 2018, 00:20:06
Quote from: Borl Poris on April 22, 2018, 19:21:04
One thing that excited me reading this old thread was about the Paris remaster.
Its probably fallen off Robert's back burner years ago. I'm just hopeful it still gets a release. All those songs recorded over three shows in 92 have me drooling. I can only imagine how amazing it could be and will be even more amazed if it actually gets released


IKR!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!!!??!? Same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on April 23, 2018, 02:13:00
Quote from: Borl Poris on April 22, 2018, 19:21:04
Now that record store day is over and I got my vinyl copy of Torn Down and the download code, it's all about Wish for me now. I hope we aren't years away from release.

There's also the 3-CD Deluxe 'Mixed Up' too; 'Wish' will probably be released at the same time...I'm betting summer/fall of this year.

One thing that excited me reading this old thread was about the Paris remaster.
Its probably fallen off Robert's back burner years ago. I'm just hopeful it still gets a release. All those songs recorded over three shows in 92 have me drooling. I can only imagine how amazing it could be and will be even more amazed if it actually gets released

The 'Paris' album sounds much better than 'Show', to me anyway.  I'd love to get something along the lines of a complete show from the run plus bonus tracks of the various other songs they played at the other two shows so we'd get one version of  each song.  I don't know how many different songs they did in Paris, I haven't checked. 

The 'Show' deluxe edition interests me greatly too.  I don't know if it makes sense to do a 2-CD set of the film soundtrack plus a DVD of the film but I can't really think of anything else.  There wasn't much variation on that tour.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Borl Poris on April 23, 2018, 14:14:07
Quote from: cheyler on April 23, 2018, 02:13:00
Quote from: Borl Poris on April 22, 2018, 19:21:04
Now that record store day is over and I got my vinyl copy of Torn Down and the download code, it's all about Wish for me now. I hope we aren't years away from release.

There's also the 3-CD Deluxe 'Mixed Up' too; 'Wish' will probably be released at the same time...I'm betting summer/fall of this year.

One thing that excited me reading this old thread was about the Paris remaster.
Its probably fallen off Robert's back burner years ago. I'm just hopeful it still gets a release. All those songs recorded over three shows in 92 have me drooling. I can only imagine how amazing it could be and will be even more amazed if it actually gets released

The 'Paris' album sounds much better than 'Show', to me anyway.  I'd love to get something along the lines of a complete show from the run plus bonus tracks of the various other songs they played at the other two shows so we'd get one version of  each song.  I don't know how many different songs they did in Paris, I haven't checked. 

The 'Show' deluxe edition interests me greatly too.  I don't know if it makes sense to do a 2-CD set of the film soundtrack plus a DVD of the film but I can't really think of anything else.  There wasn't much variation on that tour.

There were eleven songs performed and recorded in Paris that were not released.
Three Imaginary Boys
Jumping S E's Train (snippet)
Fire In Cairo (Acoustic)
It's Not You (Acoustic)
M
Faith
A Strange Day
Forever
Shake Dog Shake
Hot Hot Hot!!
The Big Hand

That would be an incredible bonus disc. I agree it would be fantastic to hear more Paris versions of songs that appeared on Show. I doubt any performance could top the Show version of A Forest.
That one's amazing
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on April 24, 2018, 07:34:40
I'd like to see that bonus disc too.  M, Faith, A Strange Day and The Big Hand are four of my favorite songs.  We need a good live version of The Big Hand, like the London T&CC II show from 1991, but I'll take Paris.  The 'Show' version of A Forest is one of the best; I like the 'In Orange' version from 1986 too.

The next three Deluxe Editions should be 'Wish', 'Show' and 'Paris'...can't wait!  Three of my favorites.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ryan on April 25, 2018, 12:03:35
I'm extremely excited for this!
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Post by: OWEI on February 12, 2020, 12:53:52
Still no sign of Wish Deluxe remaster :-(
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 20:06:32
It's been done for months, don't know what the hang-up is.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: | SONA | on February 12, 2020, 21:34:52
I started this post TWELVE YEARS AGO!!!! WHAT IS THE FREAKING DELAY??
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 21:58:54
To paraphrase Basil Fawlty, "Please get it released before one of us dies..."
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 22:02:23
Seems to me that RS only does things when he feels like it, and I can't begrudge him that; he's earned it.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: OWEI on February 13, 2020, 10:19:03
Quote from: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 22:02:23Seems to me that RS only does things when he feels like it, and I can't begrudge him that; he's earned it.

True, but if it's been ready for months, why sit on it?
Surely it's uncomfortable?😂
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 13, 2020, 13:14:13
Quote from: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 22:02:23Seems to me that RS only does things when he feels like it, and I can't begrudge him that; he's earned it.

I wonder if that includes taking out the rubbish / recycling.  :angel


Quote from: OWEI on February 13, 2020, 10:19:03True, but if it's been ready for months, why sit on it?
Surely it's uncomfortable?😂

My husband has a theory that this means they actually are about to release their new studio album, and that the remaster of Wish isn't supposed to interfere / compete with that, and would logically be released a bit later.  (Of course, this doesn't explain why it wasn't released last year etc.)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on February 13, 2020, 14:29:28
Quote from: | SONA | on February 12, 2020, 21:34:52I started this post TWELVE YEARS AGO!!!! WHAT IS THE FREAKING DELAY??

Nobody knows the exact reasons. We can only guess. First of all, in general, the re-releases of remastered albums stopped for quite some time after "Disintegration" (deluxe edition) back in 2010. (Up to then, in chronological order the previous album from '79 onwards had been re-released.)

Only (much) later in 2018, they followed this up with the "Mixed Up" remaster (plus new remixes).
Why this long break inbetween? No idea. Record company issues? RS waiting for the right moment to do his remixes?

Of course it's only logical that the next one should be "Wish". To me it would make sense to release this after the new album around late 2021/2022, so it will be kind of a 30th anniversary reissue.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: OWEI on February 13, 2020, 15:35:27
Quote from: SueC on February 13, 2020, 13:14:13
Quote from: cheyler on February 12, 2020, 22:02:23Seems to me that RS only does things when he feels like it, and I can't begrudge him that; he's earned it.

I wonder if that includes taking out the rubbish / recycling.  :angel

I'm sure it wouldn't be the End of the World if he didn't...😂😂😂


Quote from: OWEI on February 13, 2020, 10:19:03True, but if it's been ready for months, why sit on it?
Surely it's uncomfortable?😂

My husband has a theory that this means they actually are about to release their new studio album, and that the remaster of Wish isn't supposed to interfere / compete with that, and would logically be released a bit later.  (Of course, this doesn't explain why it wasn't released last year etc.)

Maybe 20 years ago, but now? I doubt it.
The target market for deluxe remasters is the fans who've got older, brats have left home and they've got cash to spend on the merch etc they maybe didn't 20 years ago.
They'll probably buy the new elpee as well.
Eg Supergrass have just released a box set at £150 and Pink Floyd's early years was heading for £400!
😱
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: PJ4A on February 13, 2020, 20:48:17
My all time favorite time period of The Cure was Disintegration, Mixed Up, Wish, Show & Paris - inclusive of "Burn" and their cover of "Purple Haze" which I package with the Wish era.  THAT was their zenith in my opinion.

Needless to say, I was beyond happy when both Disintegration AND Mixed Up were the first reissues to get 3CD versions... although I still would have preferred all the single's b-sides & remixes for Disintegration rather than Entreat Plus.

Bringing us to Wish, since it's my personal fav album, I have checked in about the deluxe edition approx once a week for a decade.  It's maddening that it STILL hasn't happened.  And I can't stop thinking about what the bonus disc(s) would contain.  Obviously hoping for the 4 tracks released via the Lost Wishes cassette, but am hoping for ALL the demos that made their way out via the Music for Dreams bootleg, all the single's b-sides regardless of them being on Join the Dots, and every remix done from a Wish track which there are about 12 of.

I've always wanted a complete version of Show on CD, so a deluxe edition of that would be epic.  And only  just  now finding out there are even more songs from Paris that weren't released... yes!, give us a deluxe version of that too.  I just wouldn't want any repeats from Show - something I always appreciated with the original releases.

Anything thereafter... I'm pretty indifferent to.

I do very much hope that one day they decide to do vinyl boxsets that include the albums and every 12" single from each one.  Depeche Mode are currently releasing boxes of every 12" single which is pretty cool, but sadly they don't include the albums... which they should.  Yet someone like Sisters of Mercy did it exactly right like that.  IE: The Floodland Collection featuring the remastered album + all 3 singles housed in a slipcase box.  I would kill for something like from The Cure... assuming of course it didn't take 40 years to ever complete like these CD deluxe editions have been.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 13, 2020, 21:47:52
Probably a safe bet re: demos and early rough mixes; those have been included on every deluxe reissue so far.  The 'Lost Wishes' tracks are almost guaranteed, in my view anyway.  It would be nice to have the b-sides even though they were included on 'Join The Dots'.  I'd bet on their inclusion too since it would be from a more recent mastering than the one done in 2004.  On the third disc, I'd love to see either a cleaned-up version of the promo video of the Kilburn show in early May 1992 or maybe even the complete show since the whole thing was filmed anyway.  Barring technical problems on a whole bunch of tracks, it should be relatively simple to include. The XFM recording of the entire show is probably the best-sounding Cure available at the moment.  The set-list might artificially inflate my opinion of the show, but it is truly amazing.  RS said in an interview in the last day or two that the recording part of the new album is complete and now needs to be mixed, mastered, approved, pressed and distributed.  He says 'definitely by the end of the year', and he says nobody is going to believe him until they see it in the shops.  He's got a point.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 14, 2020, 00:44:25
Quote from: OWEI on February 13, 2020, 15:35:27Seems to me that RS only does things when he feels like it, and I can't begrudge him that; he's earned it.

Quote from: undefinedI wonder if that includes taking out the rubbish / recycling.  :angel

Quote from: undefinedI'm sure it wouldn't be the End of the World if he didn't...😂😂😂

No, but it could lead to A Night Like This.  :winking_tongue  :evil:  :beaming-face

Your theory makes sense too.  :smth023  It's just that logic and reason don't seem to apply as much with things people do as would be nice to see.  :angel   We're waiting for the re-release too, since we don't yet have Wish.

We just got the remaster of KM (same reason) and are delighted with the sound quality.  We have a non-remaster version of Disintegration on which we can't hear the cymbals properly, nor other high-frequency sounds, and the whole thing sounds like an MP-3.  Always wondered if we got a dud and how that could possibly have happened.  All its missing things aren't missing on Trilogy.

We didn't bother getting the extra material version of the KM re-master (but would consider it for Wish depending what it is) .  We also never listen to the acoustic disc of their Best Of, because it just doesn't do anything for us.  And it's not because we don't like acoustic versions, in general - e.g. the Yeah Yeah Yeah's Gold Lion is excellent both ways.  But some things seem sort of superfluous, unless you're a really hardcore fan who wants to listen to every note that this band ever recorded.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: OWEI on February 14, 2020, 13:19:32
Where can I find the Kilburn recording, please as it wasn't on the travelling drive?

Ta!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 14, 2020, 20:53:29
The XFM version was on the first drive, too good to wait.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: OWEI on February 14, 2020, 22:21:40
Quote from: cheyler on February 14, 2020, 20:53:29The XFM version was on the first drive, too good to wait.


Ah, I missed out on the first drive ☹️
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: OWEI on February 14, 2020, 22:22:24
Quote from: cheyler on February 14, 2020, 20:53:29The XFM version was on the first drive, too good to wait.


Ah, I missed out on the first drive ☹️
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: PJ4A on February 15, 2020, 03:30:17
What is this "first drive" thing you're referring to?

Sorry, I have no idea what it means.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on February 19, 2020, 15:35:25
Quote from: SueC on February 14, 2020, 00:44:25We have a non-remaster version of Disintegration on which we can't hear the cymbals properly, nor other high-frequency sounds, and the whole thing sounds like an MP-3.  Always wondered if we got a dud and how that could possibly have happened.
Well, don't get your hopes too high. This is perhaps the only drawback on an otherwise flawless album: you can hardly hear cymbals in Disintegration, regardless of version.

I did a more or less thorough comparison of the "original" and the RM versions, using The Same Deep Water as You ripped from the 2010 re-issue and some standard CD. The RM is a may sound a bit crisper and clearer, and it's a bit more compressed to beef it up a little, but as for cymbals - "Computer says no."

I could imagine that this was done because the album in general is so reverb-laden and the snares are so trebly-tuned that there simply wasn't enough room left for the cymbals. Mixing them louder would have probably made the record sound too harsh.

It's funny that you make the mp3 comparison though. I had always taken that sound for granted, because when I finally got Disintegration on CD in the mid-90s, I had gotten familiar with the vinyl (both standard and picture disc) and tape editions - formats that were never really famous for outstandingly brilliant sound (at least with standard equipment). So when I got the CD, I was really pleased with the sound.

Other than that: if you don't have Wish yet, don't wait for the RM. Who knows how long this will take, especially with a new Album "scheduled" for this year. Get it now, and play it. Loud. It's a great album.


Quote from: PJ4A on February 15, 2020, 03:30:17What is this "first drive" thing you're referring to?

Sorry, I have no idea what it means.
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Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 20, 2020, 00:42:01
Thank you, @Matti, that's really interesting. :cool I wonder why it is that we can hear the cymbals and general high range fine on Trilogy but not on the studio album - I consider that to be the far better sound of the two alternatives.  Is there more space for sound on a Blu-Ray?

We had the Best Of before we had Disintegration, and I double took when I first heard Lullaby on the actual studio album, because it sounded "wrong" - muddy and no cymbals / general high end, compared to the same track on the Best Of (which in itself has less range than the live version on Trilogy or at Hyde Park etc).  Presumably both versions came from the same original studio tape.  I sat comparing both versions and it was a big difference.  What made it even more strange is that when Brett looked up their respective awfulness ratings on a Loudness Wars comparison site, the Best Of actually had a worse rating than most of the Disintegration releases we saw, so if anything it should have been the other way around.  That's why I wondered if we had a dud...

Re MP-3, friends gave me some soundtrack CDs they'd ripped off MP-3 way back when, and I can hear the compression - the music sounds "abbreviated" and simplified. It's hard to explain, but it sounds like a cartoon, not a photograph.  The comparison between those particular MP-3s and their "proper" CD versions is like the comparison between our version of Disintegration and Trilogy.

Looking forward to Wish - once I've "processed" KM and The Head On The Door (which is still in its wrapper!).  It's one at a time and slowly here.  But up loud, yeah! :)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 20, 2020, 05:07:36
Quote from: PJ4A on February 15, 2020, 03:30:17What is this "first drive" thing you're referring to?

Sorry, I have no idea what it means.

Sent out one 64GB drive full of Cure shows, then got it back and sent out another 64GB of Cure shows.  The third one is ready to go; another 64GB full of Cure shows...although this one has pretty much all the live-feeds from the festivals in 2019.  If you missed out on something you really want, no problem.  I can upload directly to you.  Send a PM with your e-mail address and clear about 1GB worth of space (just to be safe).
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on February 20, 2020, 11:03:18
Quote from: SueC on February 20, 2020, 00:42:01I wonder why it is that we can hear the cymbals and general high range fine on Trilogy but not on the studio album - I consider that to be the far better sound of the two alternatives.  Is there more space for sound on a Blu-Ray?
This is nothing to do with the media format. Even though a BD can carry way more data than a CD (30 GB <-> 700 MB), the space reserved for the audio on a BD is roughly the same as on a CD, judging from the bit rate. Using a decent converter, a high-level mp3 will sound as clear and brilliant as as CD or BD.

The sonical differences between Disintegration and Trilogy stem from both the recording situation and the mix. They were recorded and mixed by different people at different times, and in different situations.

Roughly speaking, Trilogy is just five guys on stage, with some backing tapes and perhaps a handful of overdubs here and there. Disintegration has this lavish wall of sound, with the already mentioned loads of reverb, delay, overdubs, multi-trackings, and all kinds of stereo effects. After all, it was the first time The Cure recorded on 48 track tapes which theoretically double the recording possibilities of the formerly used 24 tracks.

The problem that comes with these possibilities is that eventually you have to mix these 48 tracks down to just two. Apart from panning problems (what goes where in the left-right range), you will have multiple parts in similar frequency regions. As I pointed out above, if you want to have that kind of snare sound (trebly and crashing) and you add high-end cymbals, the result will probably sound harsh, shrill, and generally unpleasant. So I guess the decision had to be made what was more important, and the cymbals were lowered in the mix.

According to Producer Dave Allen, "we were trying to knit [Disintegration] into one long entity so it's obsessively non-diverse", and I think that goes for the songs themselves as well as for the sound. Considering the album a return to the early days' doom'n'gloom, a rather muddy sound was perhaps the most logical way to go.

Lullaby is a wonderful example to demonstrate how mixes can differ although they're basically the same. Again, I did a more or less thorough (aka quick and dirty) comparison of the album mix (A) and the single mix (S), the latter being ripped from the original 1989 CD single.

A: Bass VI with a hint of mono delay, spoken intro hardly audible, snare drum, cymbals hardly audible, bowed string part is mono, bass guitar somewhat buried, one-voice spiderman part from "Be still, be calm, be quiet now..."

S: Bass VI with a prominent stereo delay, spoken intro clearly audible, (sampled?) rim-shot instead of snare, cymbals audible with added off-beat section, bowed strings in stereo, dry bass guitar, second voice added for the spiderman part

So, even though the source material is the same, the mixes or arrangements are quite different. The single sounds way more polished, crispier and clearer. After all, singles are released to get radio airplay and promote the album, so it makes sense to make them a little more ear-friendly. And  considering that the "Best Of" version you're referring to is at least 8 years "younger" (Galore?) than the original release, it's only natural that it sounds even a bit more polished.

That being said, I'm not sure what "remaster" really means here. To me the RM releases are more or less enhanced or polished versions of the stereo masters, with a bit of EQ'ing here and there and different compression. I didn't think that they really took the time to work with the original multi-track masters and do a proper remix the way Steven Wilson did for Yes or King Crimson. Which is a pity I think - there would have been enough time.

That being said, I still think that the remasters have a point. Given the choice, I would probably go for the remaster for any album, but that might also be a Hi-Fi voodo phenomenon: if it's new, it has to sound better.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 20, 2020, 12:17:56
@Matti, we are both bowing in the general direction of the Northern hemisphere to thank you for this clear explanation with which you have answered our questions on this front. :cool  I would also like to award you a certificate like this:

(http://www.certificatefun.com/includes/userimages/thumbf79404b295f069a4ae8d207a28fc88d35399ec7dd69e81.9936693024img.png)

It's great to talk to a walking encyclopaedia!  :)

It's also really nice to know I'm not imagining the differences between the two studio versions of Lullaby we have.  You have described those differences exactly (I also noticed the mono-stereo differences, and together with the other factors thought we had some kind of bootleg version of Disintegration).  And therefore, I take it that we have the single version on the Best-Of, which is a 2001 double CD called The Cure: Greatest Hits which Brett bought when it came out, having previously already acquired a couple of live albums and Bloodflowers, after being thoroughly impressed by the song Burn when he went to see The Crow at the cinema back in the 1994 and then bought the soundtrack (which was the start of that for him).

So do you actually prefer the "muddy" mix?  I have (as it turns out) spent years wondering what Disintegration would sound like if it the rest of it was mixed more like the single version of Lullaby... and it's such a relief to hear it live because then I don't have that sense that there's stuff missing!

The MP-3s I referred to were done in the early 2000s and low-quality, and that's what I meant when I said, "It sounds like an MP-3!"  I can, by the way, still generally tell an iPod version of a song from the CD version, when the iPod is played through the same system as the CD!  Brett says that's partly to do with the iPod hardware, and not all compression.  I always think of it as a backward step that I do in order to have portable music, sort of like way back when, when you'd make a tape from a record (an actual vinyl thing :angel) to stick into your Walkman so you could go cycling without getting bored.  The quality would be diminished, both of the actual copy and the hardware that delivered it to your ears, and that's something you just put up with, but boy was it always nice to hear that music again on its original carrier on a decent system.  :)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on February 20, 2020, 13:41:52
Oh please don't... I'm just trying to share my bit of knowledge about music and production technique, so the pleasure is mine.  :)

Quote from: SueC on February 20, 2020, 12:17:56So do you actually prefer the "muddy" mix?

I'm not entirely sure. On a "historical" level I do, because I imagine that's what the album was intended to sound like. As I wrote, my own history with the Album goes back to the early 90s, and I would mostly play a tape on a small radio cassette recorder or a walkman, so the muddyness never really bothered me. Considering the acquired knowledge I have now about sound, I'd love to hear a remixed version though. But I guess I'd stick to the historically correct version and live with the mud. After all, once you're through Plainsong, you've gotten used to the sound.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 20, 2020, 14:28:47
Quote from: Matti on February 20, 2020, 13:41:52Oh please don't... I'm just trying to share my bit of knowledge about music and production technique, so the pleasure is mine.  :)

I get your position! You just don't see it that often.  :)  Which is why I want to make awards when I come across it.  Because there are so many unsung people who deserve them.  Also it's a reflex from teaching high school for 15 years.  I gave out chocolate frogs there too.  Want a chocolate frog?  :angel

Thank you for sharing your understanding with us.  It's stopped us wondering, and now we don't have to research it - it's so much easier if someone with the background knowledge just explains it to you.  :cool  And this is a very specialised area!

If you ever have any questions in the areas of passive solar design, sustainable agriculture, ecology, livestock management (including beekeeping), nutrition, and pretty much anything academic to do with the natural sciences, fire away.  We're science geeks. Or Dr Who - Brett's a long-time fanatic (although he says more fanatical Dr Who people than him exist).  And we'll discuss literature anytime too.  :)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on February 20, 2020, 19:09:34
Quote from: SueC on February 20, 2020, 12:17:56always nice to hear that music again on its original carrier on a decent system.  :)
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Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: cheyler on February 21, 2020, 00:32:28
Quote from: SueC on February 20, 2020, 14:28:47
Quote from: Matti on February 20, 2020, 13:41:52Oh please don't... I'm just trying to share my bit of knowledge about music and production technique, so the pleasure is mine.  :)

I get your position! You just don't see it that often.  :)  Which is why I want to make awards when I come across it.  Because there are so many unsung people who deserve them.  Also it's a reflex from teaching high school for 15 years.  I gave out chocolate frogs there too.  Want a chocolate frog?  :angel

Thank you for sharing your understanding with us.  It's stopped us wondering, and now we don't have to research it - it's so much easier if someone with the background knowledge just explains it to you.  :cool  And this is a very specialised area!

If you ever have any questions in the areas of passive solar design, sustainable agriculture, ecology, livestock management (including beekeeping), nutrition, and pretty much anything academic to do with the natural sciences, fire away.  We're science geeks. Or Dr Who - Brett's a long-time fanatic (although he says more fanatical Dr Who people than him exist).  And we'll discuss literature anytime too.  :)

If you're trying to be sarcastic, you'll have to do a better job than that.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 21, 2020, 02:54:54
Quote from: cheyler on February 21, 2020, 00:32:28If you're trying to be sarcastic, you'll have to do a better job than that.

Well, I'm not.  But it's strange you should think so.  Perhaps you're projecting?

You're certainly rude, and not adding anything pleasant to the conversation.  :neutral-face

Apologies will be accepted, if you're big enough to offer one.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: SueC on February 21, 2020, 02:59:24
Quote from: Matti on February 20, 2020, 19:09:34
Quote from: SueC on February 20, 2020, 12:17:56always nice to hear that music again on its original carrier on a decent system.  :)
Would you mind elaborating (http://curefans.com/index.php?topic=224.0) on this?

Haha!  :)  No, I don't think we can join that thread, because we're not the kind of people who can spend thousands on sound equipment.  We have some basic good stuff that we're happy with and that multi-tasks as well.  You can turn it up loud without distorting anything and it sounds fine to us.  We do have lovely room acoustics in the room we play our music in, and that makes a big difference.  It's a large space that's lime plastered, has a high ceiling, and no carpets - just rugs.  Nice place to practice too.  Sort of like singing in the shower.  And we built and plastered it ourselves.  Took a while.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1828/41290431760_133bdf2199_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25UGfPS)

Should be nice for playing Wish in.  ;)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on February 21, 2020, 09:20:03
Quote from: cheyler on February 21, 2020, 00:32:28If you're trying to be sarcastic, you'll have to do a better job than that.

OFF TOPIC! No one is interested in such assumptions here.  :pouting-face

Another off topic post has been deleted. Keep on topic here!
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on May 21, 2022, 14:54:23
Robert has been working on the "Wish" remaster, he said.

Quote"For me, it's really lovely that Simon is up there with me. It's criminal really, because he's been there all the time."

As for how they work together when penning material, he said: "With Simon, we send demos back and forth. Because I write the words, I decide what songs are going to progress and which ones aren't. Often it's the case that with hindsight I pick the wrong songs.

"I've just finished doing the 'Wish' remaster, and there are so many of Simon's demos that never got past the demo stage and remained instrumental – purely because I couldn't think of any words for them. That's really sad, because some of them were really great!

"They're all coming out as instrumentals, and I think there are about 36 unreleased songs coming out on the package. That's the same every time we do anything. There's always loads of music, and a lot of it is Simon's. I just run out of words!"
https://www.nme.com/news/music/the-cure-new-album-songs-of-a-lost-world-interview-update-relentless-tour-3229589
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on July 28, 2022, 15:35:55
Believe it or not, it IS actually happening!

This was posted on the band's Facebook today:
(https://scontent-muc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/295239269_594740518679585_1321532871907266583_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p180x540&_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=e3f864&_nc_ohc=qE4vOIIldhUAX8U_uBn&_nc_ht=scontent-muc2-1.xx&oh=00_AT8BPTT959GZbL3QQutdoYchnHvjiCAfdYXdbJrt4il3yA&oe=62E846A0)

(As the image might disappear with time: it is mentioning the 30th anniversary edition of "Wish", using part of the old album artwork.)
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Rietan on July 28, 2022, 15:45:02
Ah sorry for my posting... i was never to fond of the demos, except if they are some early versions like wendy time or demos of unreleased songs. So the deluxe remasters were for me disappointing all in all
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on July 28, 2022, 15:47:49
Quote from: Rietan on July 28, 2022, 15:45:02Ah sorry for my posting...

No problem, I was going to post in the "news" section as well, so I put it in your thread. :cool
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Rietan on July 28, 2022, 18:20:00
I must admit that I like that one though

Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: pyota on July 29, 2022, 00:46:23
Quote from: Rietan on July 28, 2022, 18:20:00I must admit that I like that one though


Thanks for posting this. Funny this 'demo' is more high quality than what's on the actual tape lol.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on July 29, 2022, 09:33:55
Well, this is not a demo, is it? And considering that it's been remastered, little wonder it sounds better than a tape from thirty years ago.

Anyway, good to see all of this finally coming up.

I'm curious to see/hear the differences between all the instrumental demos on disc 2 and the inofficial Music for Dreams package that surfaced some years ago.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Ulrich on July 29, 2022, 09:40:51
Quote from: Matti on July 29, 2022, 09:33:55Well, this is not a demo, is it? And considering that it's been remastered, little wonder it sounds better than a tape from thirty years ago.

Yeah, of course Robert & co. had access to the original multi-track master tapes from the vaults and thus were able to re-master the sound.

Quote"In the studio control room, it all sounded excellent, but I got too busy sorting out our upcoming concerts to properly oversee the mastering. It was too late to do anything about it; the album was out, and we were off around the world again. It has really bugged for me for a very long time." Remastering the album earlier this year has finally given Smith the chance to address this "It has taken 30 years, but finally, finally, my Wish has come true."
https://www.rhino.com/article/the-cure-detail-wish-30th-anniversary-deluxe-edition
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: dsanchez on July 29, 2022, 14:39:44
Finally! there were some insane prices in Discogs to get the original version of this...
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: Matti on July 29, 2022, 21:28:09
Good that you mention it, I had a look and realized that the Dim-D mixes mentioned on the remaster actually reflect a note in the credits of the original release: "dimension d mixes by robert smith and roy spong" - just in case anyone else was also wondering.
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: dsanchez on July 30, 2022, 20:55:33
Almost everything sold out in the Universal website:

https://store.universalmusic.com/thecure/
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: dsanchez on July 30, 2022, 20:59:58
Managed to get the vinyl and 3 CDs here

https://www.banquetrecords.com/the-cure/wish-%2830th-anniversary%29/3579322
Title: Re: Wish Remaster/Deluxe Edition?
Post by: dsanchez on July 30, 2022, 21:02:48
Locking this topic, further discussion on this one can be continued here (http://curefans.com/index.php?topic=9629.0) as finally this is happening!