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HYPNAGOGIC STATES EP
7/23/2008 5:59:23 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
THE SEPTEMBER 13TH FOUR TRACK REMIX EP WILL BE CALLED 'HYPNAGOGIC STATES'...
AT THE MOMENT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE WORKING ON DIFFERENT MIXES OF THE ONLY ONE... FREAKSHOW... SLEEP WHEN I'M DEAD... THE PERFECT BOY
... THERE MAY BE MORE THAN ONE OF THESE EP'S I FEEL!
ALL PROFIT GENERATED BY THIS RELEASE - IE ALL OUR ROYALTIES... AND UNIVERSALS TOO? WATCH THIS SPACE! - WILL BENEFIT THE INTERNATIONAL RED CROSS
ONWARDS...
RSX
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what do you think about it?
My post on Cure.Com is:
Robert, why u become to the special country??? It's a little bit stupid. U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad... U just upseting all others nations! pay attention to wht Im saying... thanks
well, maybe I'm mistaken, but its my opinion... :roll:
Quote from: wish-man on July 24, 2008, 18:30:31
Robert, why u become to the special country??? It's a little bit stupid. U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad... U just upseting all others nations! pay attention to wht Im saying... thanks
We're
you in some sort of special "state"?
:-D
PS
So, we'll get new Japanese Whispers?!
I don't know what to think...
Where's Lament? Where's Just One Kiss?! Not to mention Lovecats...
I like the cover although I don't care that much about it.
Can't await to listen to those remixes, let's hope they rock. :smth023
Quote from: wish-man on July 24, 2008, 18:30:31
U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad...
Yr mistaken. A hypnagogic state is when youre half-asleep and half-awake.
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on July 25, 2008, 04:00:21
Quote from: wish-man on July 24, 2008, 18:30:31
U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad...
Yr mistaken. A hypnagogic state is when youre half-asleep and half-awake.
He's prolly refering to the US flag design on the cover. Maybe they think Americans are half asleep (during 65DOS set) and half awake (during Cure set). :-D ;)
Hypnagogic States is a pun -- sort of. The US reference is clear from the picture he posted, but I wouldn't assume just yet that that is the EP artwork. It doesn't seem particularly Parched Art to me, but then I'm just a guy on a board; what do I know? Let's wait and see.
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on July 25, 2008, 04:00:21
Yr mistaken. A hypnagogic state is when youre half-asleep and half-awake.
Ouh, Ok. Thanks for explanation! :smth023
Sorry, my english isn't so good enough... :oops:
Quote from: wish-man on July 24, 2008, 18:30:31
Robert, why u become to the special country??? It's a little bit stupid. U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad... U just upseting all others nations! pay attention to wht Im saying... thanks
This is my opinion, too!
Quote from: disintegration on July 25, 2008, 10:53:00
Quote from: wish-man on July 24, 2008, 18:30:31
Robert, why u become to the special country??? It's a little bit stupid. U are british man then call ur EP 'HYPNAGOGIC KINGDOM' or 'HYPNAGOGIC UK'... I think u must change title, cuz I think many European country's would be sad... U just upseting all others nations! pay attention to wht Im saying... thanks
This is my opinion, too!
before you get yourselves tied up in knots over Robert "choosing" America, stop and think...hypnogogic state is the state of just before you fall asleep... that moment in time between being awake and falling asleep,(some people having hallucinations and visions in that short period). I think you might find he's taking a shot at America (it's government more than its' people) NOT being complimentary at all. I just had a look in COF,and my god, I came away with a headache, you should see the shit going on over there about this topic...
Ouh C'mon! I said I misunderstood what "Hypnagogic States" means at all, cuz I thought it simpliciter connecting with America etc. to hell with it! Will see wht heppens after release... :roll:
But anyway, Robert has bigger attention now on America than Europe :(
And we can't contend with this fact ;)
Just look, he never visit BIG Russia with a concert! :shock:
I'm again mistaken? :cry:
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on July 25, 2008, 04:52:01
He's prolly refering to the US flag design on the cover. Maybe they think Americans are half asleep (during 65DOS set) and half awake (during Cure set). :-D ;)
:smth046 :smth043
Quote from: melly on July 25, 2008, 11:35:52
before you get yourselves tied up in knots over Robert "choosing" America, stop and think...hypnogogic state is the state of just before you fall asleep... that moment in time between being awake and falling asleep,(some people having hallucinations and visions in that short period). I think you might find he's taking a shot at America (it's government more than its' people) NOT being complimentary at all. I just had a look in COF,and my god, I came away with a headache, you should see the shit going on over there about this topic...
quite an interesting viewpoint there
melly ! .. and thanks for the warning over COF.. I don't need another f***ng head ache ! :?
Quote from: wish-man on July 25, 2008, 15:43:42
But anyway, Robert has bigger attention now on America than Europe :(
And we can't contend with this fact ;)
Just look, he never visit BIG Russia with a concert! :shock:
I'm again mistaken?
No.
You're right this time!
It was like that since the last album...
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on July 25, 2008, 04:00:21
Yr mistaken. A hypnagogic state is when youre half-asleep and half-awake.
Well I learned a new word in english today ... :-D
Well Im actually not that smart...
I just looked it up haha
Quote from: scatcat on July 25, 2008, 16:57:56
quite an interesting viewpoint there melly ! .. and thanks for the warning over COF.. I don't need another f***ng head ache ! :?
Seriously, 10 posts in and I'm close to ripping my hair out. It's just some bad photoshop. :oops: Time to click the little X on the right corner that solves all problems!
I made my comment because of the earlier ones which were basically referring to Robert "choosing" America over his own or other countries and people seemed to be upset over this choice, thinking he was preferring the States over another country. Robert happened to choose some pic of stars and stripes ( could be his boxer shorts for all we know) which fired up the comments previously. Whether he retains that shot or not, I was just trying to explain to the people who were obviously miffed by this choice what it could mean. BTW wish man I posted my comments after "disintegration" echoed your first post, no need to get so defensive.....
What about Club America? How come no one ever complained about that?
Or Japanese Whispers, A Japanese Dream, Kyoto Song, Fire In Cairo, Siamese Twins, Killing an Arab, or Jupiter Crash?
Those all have the names of ACTUAL places in them...
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on July 26, 2008, 16:14:26
What about Club America? How come no one ever complained about that?
Or Japanese Whispers, A Japanese Dream, Kyoto Song, Fire In Cairo, Siamese Twins, Killing an Arab, or Jupiter Crash?
Those all have the names of ACTUAL places in them...
Seriously. How dare he pick Jupiter?
I mean hes an Earthling!!! It should be EARTH CRASH GODDAMNIT!!!
Earth Crash... sounds like a sports drink for environmentalists
Well I'm an Aussie and what about our song????
"Down Under"
I'm sorry I just couldn't help myself. You can smack me :P
Goody!
PS "America" is NOT the same as "The United States of America". I know, I know. Another pet peeve of mine... can't help it..
Quote from: billee on July 28, 2008, 12:14:02
Well I'm an Aussie and what about our song????
"Down Under"
I'm sorry I just couldn't help myself. You can smack me :P
I thought that too billee... " Oh, how nice, Robert has composed a song for Aussies, he must have REALLY enjoyed himself here"!!
although I must admit, the "Down Under" inference immediately makes me think of that well known ditty by Men At Work...don't think we'll ever hear Robert singing about vegemite sandwhiches !! :smth042
Hehehe Melly
Yeah I thought of Vegemite sandwiches too when I heard the title.
Thank god it is nothing like the Men At Work song. Sick to death of the wretched sounds of "I come from the land down under ". Unpatriotic b*tch I am. With the Olympics just around the corner I'm sure I'll have to get the earplugs out :smth078
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 25, 2008, 06:46:59
Hypnagogic States is a pun -- sort of. The US reference is clear from the picture he posted, but I wouldn't assume just yet that that is the EP artwork. It doesn't seem particularly Parched Art to me, but then I'm just a guy on a board; what do I know? Let's wait and see.
Yeah, Robert has already stated on the official site that the flag image will not be the EP artwork. Actually, I kind of liked it...
Anyway, probably there are already too many record covers with the USA flag on it. My favourite is probably this one ( 8) ):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:BlackCrowesAmoricaalbumcover.jpg
This just in:
"Here's the list Universal has:
The Only One remixed by Jared Leto (30 Seconds to Mars)
Freakshow remixed by Jade Puget (AFI)
Sleep When I'm Dead remixed by Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance)
The Perfect Boy remixed by Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy)"
From Craig @ Chain of Flowers.
I am going to go turn out the lights, lie perfectly still on my side, and think of all this EP could have been.
See you on the floor.
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 08, 2008, 00:00:35
The Only One remixed by Jared Leto (30 Seconds to Mars)
Freakshow remixed by Jade Puget (AFI)
Sleep When I'm Dead remixed by Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance)
The Perfect Boy remixed by Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy)"
wt...? this is a joke right? somebody please tell that it is...
emo shit beyond imagination. :smth100 :x :smth067
(ok i'll go and start to rehearse the sentence "the cure is dead" now. :?)
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 08, 2008, 10:08:45
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 08, 2008, 00:00:35
The Only One remixed by Jared Leto (30 Seconds to Mars)
Freakshow remixed by Jade Puget (AFI)
Sleep When I'm Dead remixed by Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance)
The Perfect Boy remixed by Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy)"
wt...? this is a joke right? somebody please tell that it is...
emo shit beyond imagination. :smth100 :x :smth067
(ok i'll go and start to rehearse the sentence "the cure is dead" now. :?)
I don't know any of that EMO stuff. It's supposed to be awful, so I have always stayed away from it... But maybe there aren't many good remixers out there nowadays? In the 90's, people like Kruder & Dorfmeister and Fila Brazillia did some great stuff with fairly famous pop/rock material. For instance, K&D did a great remix of Depeche Mode's "Useless" and Fila Brazillia did magic with Radioheads' "Climbing up the Walls" and Lamb's "Cotton Wool".
Please confer them here. It's worthwhile:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=-1G0eiKHy1k
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=dJszxrG_sH4
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=EIlyr0GMrB4
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 08, 2008, 10:08:45
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 08, 2008, 00:00:35
The Only One remixed by Jared Leto (30 Seconds to Mars)
Freakshow remixed by Jade Puget (AFI)
Sleep When I'm Dead remixed by Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance)
The Perfect Boy remixed by Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy)"
wt...? this is a joke right? somebody please tell that it is...
emo shit beyond imagination.
Well, to me Freakshow and SWID are so bad that there's no way making them worse by remixing...
Then again if MCR, FOB and AFI fans come in herds to buy Cure records - awesome!
:roll:
Im just waiting for the last single and then the Disintegration reissue new album. This seems like just a bit of a fun novelty and I dont really expect it to be any good. The reason for so many lamers doing the remixing is because their on a major label.
I also heard that Sleep When I'm Dead is being remixed by some guy called Julian-K. So maybe the list isnt real...
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on August 08, 2008, 18:18:09
The reason for so many lamers doing the remixing is because their on a major label.
yeah i might even want to bet that the story that robert himself hand-picked the best remixes is just crap. so perhaps these were pretty much the only choices given by the label (=need to sell sell sell sell more more more records...).
in any case the alarming thing is that the cure just happily went for it. anyone with any self-respect would have refused.
by the way, the ONLY good thing i know about MCR is their open taping police. they've filed an official statement via warner and that's something i consider cool. (although i seriously can't understand why anyone would even want to tape MCR hehe - anyway that's irrelevant).
so since these guys are obviously robert's new best friends, how about robert finally filed something similar through universal?
Here is official information regarding the Hypnagogic State EP from the cure.com website:
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HYPNAGOGIC STATES EP
8/8/2008 10:45:48 AM - by CURE:ROBERT
HYPNAGOGIC STATES EP
MEMBERS OF FALL OUT BOY, AFI, MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE, 30 SECONDS TO MARS AND 65 DAYS OF STATIC REMIX THE CURE FOR 'HYPNAGOGIC STATES' EP
The Cure announce an EP of remixes of the first 4 singles taken from their imminent new album to be released digitally and on CD on the 13th September.
Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance), Pete Wentz & Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy), Jade Puget (AFI), Jared Leto (30 Seconds To Mars) and 65 Days Of Static (who supported The Cure on most of their recent 59 date World 4Tour), have exclusively remixed the first 4 singles from the forthcoming studio album for this special EP, entitled 'Hypnagogic States', as follows:
"The Only One" - remixed by Jared Leto (30 Seconds to Mars)
"Freakshow" - remixed by Jade Puget (AFI)
"Sleep When I'm Dead" - remixed by Gerard Way (My Chemical Romance) and Julien-K
"The Perfect Boy" - remixed by Pete Wentz and Patrick Stump (Fall Out Boy)
"Exploding Head Syndrome" (all 4 singles) remixed by 65 Days Of Static
All Artist royalties from the EP will benefit The International Red Cross.
The Cure's new studio album, their 13th, is scheduled for release on 13th October via Suretone/Geffen... but what does schedule ever know?!!
"THE PERFECT BOY (MIX 13)", THE 4TH OF FOUR SINGLES RELEASED ON THE 13TH OF EACH MONTH IN THE RUN UP TO TO THE LP, IS OUT 13TH AUGUST.
Like it's predecessors "The Only One (Mix 13)", "Freakshow (Mix 13)" and "Sleep When I'm Dead (Mix 13)", the single will be released digitally and on CD and 7" and will be backed with an exclusive B-side, this time "Without You." None of the B-sides will appear on the album. The singles were produced by Robert Smith and Keith Uddin.
Led as always by lead singer/guitarist Robert Smith, the Cure line-up comprises long-time members bass player Simon Gallup, drummer Jason Cooper and, back in the band for a third time, guitarist Porl Thompson.
Hear a clip of "The Perfect Boy (Mix 13)" at www.thecure.com
Tootles,
Pussycat
reading the statements by some people about the remixes and the obvious dislike of the proposed end result, I was thinking... the singles are being released each month, some like them, some don't..personally, I just take them as they come, not disecting them, not worried about the snare drum being too loud etc.etc., just enjoying the new stuff coming our way. I certainly don't compare them to the older music of The Cure. The main album is coming out in October. The remixed EPs are a separate entity aren't they? The main album isn't going to be remixed by anyone, it's The Cure as we know them. After completing their gruelling concerts with mostly good reviews, some saying Robert has never sounded better, the shows going for 3 hours usually, many,many fans attending several shows and just lapping it all up. Why the hysteria over the remixed EPs? Okay, you don't like the remixers. Don't buy them. But to say things like "The Cure is dead" is,in my opinion rather dramatic. Why has Robert chosen those people ro remix the songs? Who knows. But, does it really matter that much when the singles are coming out each month, the Cure album will be here soon, and for most of us, the memories of seeing them live linger, happily in our thoughts. To pronounce The Cure as washed up, finished, gone mad or whatever has been bandied around is a little premature don't you think, just because of remixed songs? Hmmm... I bet those same people will go and see them if they tour again in the next couple of years... stop being so damned emotional over a few songs...enjoy the moment; sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...and I just gave mine.
Quote from: melly on August 10, 2008, 05:33:45
reading the statements by some people about the remixes and the obvious dislike of the proposed end result, I was thinking... the singles are being released each month, some like them, some don't..personally, I just take them as they come, not disecting them, not worried about the snare drum being too loud etc.etc., just enjoying the new stuff coming our way. I certainly don't compare them to the older music of The Cure. The main album is coming out in October. The remixed EPs are a separate entity aren't they? The main album isn't going to be remixed by anyone, it's The Cure as we know them. After completing their gruelling concerts with mostly good reviews, some saying Robert has never sounded better, the shows going for 3 hours usually, many,many fans attending several shows and just lapping it all up. Why the hysteria over the remixed EPs? Okay, you don't like the remixers. Don't buy them. But to say things like "The Cure is dead" is,in my opinion rather dramatic. Why has Robert chosen those people ro remix the songs? Who knows. But, does it really matter that much when the singles are coming out each month, the Cure album will be here soon, and for most of us, the memories of seeing them live linger, happily in our thoughts. To pronounce The Cure as washed up, finished, gone mad or whatever has been bandied around is a little premature don't you think, just because of remixed songs? Hmmm... I bet those same people will go and see them if they tour again in the next couple of years... stop being so damned emotional over a few songs...enjoy the moment; sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion...and I just gave mine.
don't judge the book by its cover - well that's true of course. i'm not saying i refuse to listen to the remixes, i know i will check them out. but will i buy the EP? no, this time i don't think so.
by the way i loved 'mixed up' so i'm not against some remixes. but if you want to do a remix album in 2008 then please, choose some professional people to do that for you. to me it's as simple as that. but that's just my opinion.
actually my biggest concern is the utterly horrible sound quality of the recent releases. yes i've said that a dozen times already but i'll say it again, because it is reason enough for simply not being able to think " let's take it as it comes and enjoy that". seriously, i've been able to listen through 'all kinds of things' two times, i'm not interested to try the third because the song is nothing but noise. you can't even judge whether it's a good song or a bad song, it's so badly damaged.
so if i get "hysterical" of the news about the remix EP it's mostly because i think the same kind of very-likely-to-be-unlistenable stuff is very well under way now. "stop being so emotional and enjoy the moment"? well i'm sorry but for me there's not very much there to enjoy. i can't force myself. but remember that i didn't force myself to be negative either: i'm not one of those people who've been preaching the cure's demise around the forums for years and years. so far i've always tried to keep up the hope and honestly i had a very strong feeling that things were going to better direction recently. ever since porl got back the band got energized and the live shows earlier this year were indeed a great pleasure, now that i think of it. so i haven't been putting up some websites saying "the cure: R.I.P. & porl sucks!" etc. yet, at some point when you count 2+2+2+.... well, at some point it just adds up to an alarming figure. so actually i'm not bitter and angry, i've just been shocked recently.
one of my biggest concerns now is not the upcoming album but the remaining deluxe remasters i don't expect anything from the upcoming album now, actually. and before you get that all wrong: actually i'm quite convinced that the music will be good but i'm so terminally scared of the production/mastering issues that i don't want to think about it). i can only pray that the next deluxe box coming up in the series won't be remastered by the same monkey that did the recent singles. and to add to the irony, of course the next one in the series has to be 'disintegration'.... huh. well thinking about such things kind of make me emotional, sorry. i do become emotional when i see works of art being mangled and mishandled, sorry but i do.
but perhaps you're right, why stress so much over it. thankfully there's a lot of other music in the world, other than the cure, other artists who still put out good quality releases that actually CAN be enjoyed fully and thoroughly and not while you're grinding your teeth thinking about "christ it's a decent song but how come they made it sound like shit?". and i don't say that because i want to shout out how bitter i am or i wanted to make myself feel better by slapping robert in the face (although i think it might do him so good hehe). i say it because in my opinion it's just the truth at the moment.
ps. i didn't actually say "the cure is dead", i said i might have to start practicing how to say it. there's a difference. ;)
but honestly, it just looks pretty bad. and once again, if people ARE being emotional: doesn't that actually show that we still DO care? if i didn't care i wouldn't bother coming here and saying anything at all.
like said, like everyone else out there i'll have to take it as it comes but to enjoy it - sorry i can't. and if that makes me post my sentiments truthfully instead of just posting the usual "oh great, i can't wait!" - well, perhaps you'll just have to take it as it comes haha
(ok the last line was a joke ;)).
yeah JB, the last line may have been a joke... putting a "haha" at the end of it does not make it funny, but I really don't give a sh*t about your perceived one upmanship. You do this right through the forum, not just giving your opinion, but it comes across as "I am SO right and you all are so wrong". Sorry, but I,personally have had a gutful of you thrusting your views down our throats. I am sick of the negativity which has pervaded this forum.
And, for those who do not know ( not many do) I am closely related to Robert, and take umbridge at suggestions he has "gone mad" that "maybe" the Cure are dead etc.etc. Its a few fu**ing songs for gods sake.
You are a very lucky woman JB if the way these songs are produced upset you so. Just shows you don't have a hell of a lot to worry about.
And with that final tirade, I will bid you all farewell. Had enough.
Melly.
Time for a crucifiction...
I'm sorry but can someone explain to me why these new songs are "mixed terribly" or why they "sound so bad"? How are they supposed to sound? I listen to them on a daily basis on my phone [WAV > mp3 > nokia 6300 w/2GB card > ipod earplugs [plebian, I know!!]] and I reckon they sound OK?? The actual songwriting and song quality is another story, whether they are good or bad songs is a matter of opinion...
Maybe I'm a retard, but I'm not sure what I'm missing or what's wrong..
As one of our esteemed ex-politicians once said "Please explain?"
Quote from: melly on August 10, 2008, 11:44:02
yeah JB, the last line may have been a joke... putting a "haha" at the end of it does not make it funny, but I really don't give a sh*t about your perceived one upmanship. You do this right through the forum, not just giving your opinion, but it comes across as "I am SO right and you all are so wrong". Sorry, but I,personally have had a gutful of you thrusting your views down our throats. I am sick of the negativity which has pervaded this forum.
And, for those who do not know ( not many do) I am closely related to Robert, and take umbridge at suggestions he has "gone mad" that "maybe" the Cure are dead etc.etc. Its a few fu**ing songs for gods sake.
You are a very lucky woman JB if the way these songs are produced upset you so. Just shows you don't have a hell of a lot to worry about.
And with that final tirade, I will bid you all farewell. Had enough.
Melly.
huh wait a second. with all do respect, i don't think i ever wrote "you're wrong now here's how it is". iwrite here just like everyone else and all i can do is to write my honest opinion. if my opinion is different from yours, so what? i don't take ANY of it personally so i don't know why you should either. see? yes, one thing i admit: i often do reply to people who have posted something that is different that what i would say. why do i do that? because i try to engage people into conversation, honestly. i don't write because i want to "correct" someone's opinion on something. look at it this way. what would be the point if people only replied to those posts that are similar to their views? what we would have then would be a series of "ia agree!" "i agree too!" "me too!" kind of threads. what would be the point of that, seriously? i see the forums as a place for exchanging views and opinions and it's actually more fruitful when people have different views. if people have to take things so personally that every disagreeing response is a kind of attack to someone's opinions, then sorry i don't understand why. you (or anyone else either) are free to disagree with me and i don't take it personally. why should i?
this is all about discussion, changing of ideas and opinions.... who said it was about right and wrong - other than you, actually?
there's a difference in being/getting emotional about some subject under discussion (here: the EPs, the recent releases) and getting emotional about other people's opinions about them.
i think i've tried to focus on the first one, at least that has been my intention.
surely, there's been a lot of negatively tinted talk due to this news. but i've read the same from other boards too, starting from craig at COF, so i wouldn't say it's just something that goes on here.
all i can say is that i'm sorry that i managed to make you so upset (i had no idea of that, honestly) but i also don't really understand why you ended up feeling like that. really.
:(
ps. and yes actually i DO have a hell of a lot to worry about in my life. but i don't know what that has got to do with this: because this is a cure forum i write here about the cure, ok?
ps. melly, i wanted to send you a pm but it looks like you've blocked your inbox(?) so that i cannot send it.
could you please give me this opportunity, please?
Quote from: nausearockpig on August 10, 2008, 11:50:48
I'm sorry but can someone explain to me why these new songs are "mixed terribly" or why they "sound so bad"?
well i kind of feel like i wouldn't post this (or any other opinion of mine) anymore but since you're asked and since i actually am willing to explain this to anyone who wants to learn (because this is about undeniable facts, not just my personal opinion, NB.).
if someone doesn't want to learn, then that's fine with me too. anyway:
mastering and mixing are different things. the one i've been talking about as the reason for making these releases sound bad is because of remastering issues.
perhaps watch this first:
http://homedir-b.libsyn.com/podcasts/cdba2b727c88127e0dc27bec68568c62/489ec1ce/psn/images/Loudness_War.mov
then have a look at the two screenshots attached.
the first one's "healthy sound" from times when the cure was produced well, with love and care.
the second one's from 'all kinds of things'. i think you should see how the latter one has been damaged. see how part of the dynamic range (look at the edges and imagine how the peaks there should be like, like they are in the "healthy" image) has been cut off already in the studio? the 2008 image looks just like one big block of constant volume.
the 2008 singles have been very heavily compressed and hammered to the maximum volume by aggressive mastering. this makes the music sound LOUD but it also causes heavy distortion. if you want to listen to "healthy" music loud, you just use your volume knob and turn it up. but if it's already been turned up to the max in the remastering phase, there's nothing you can do anymore: the dynamic range is gone and it's distorted. this means even the quieter parts of the recording sound LOUD, the loud parts are LOUD and distorted. there's no dynamics left in the music and it sounds flat and tiresome.
this is why the new releases sound a lot worse than the cure used to.
further reading:
http://turnmeup.org/
& many links provided there.
by the way, this is how
mastering processed damaged the music.
mixing is different. :!:
actually these singles wouldn't sound that bad if we could have versions that were properly mastered. the sound would be healthy and not something that hammers ad hurts your ears with maximum volume from beginning to the end.
i'll shut up for now and everyone can think what they think and enjoy what they can. i don't need anyone to agree with me, i don't mind if people do or don't do. i don't agree with accusations that i've been pushing my opinion down to other people's throat - you just don't have to care about my opinion if you don't agree with it. it's that simple. i never started my posts with a "ok here's the truth and the one and only truth!".
but please note that this mastering stuff is not "just an opinion" but something very real. just google up a bit and you'll notice there're a lot of people worried about it. so it's very real, whether we liked it or not.
anyway i've explained the reasons behind my trouble (and many other people's too) to enjoy this new stuff, nothing more.
peace. or whatever.
Quote from: nausearockpig on August 10, 2008, 11:50:48
Time for a crucifiction...
I'm sorry but can someone explain to me why these new songs are "mixed terribly" or why they "sound so bad"? How are they supposed to sound? I listen to them on a daily basis on my phone [WAV > mp3 > nokia 6300 w/2GB card > ipod earplugs [plebian, I know!!]] and I reckon they sound OK??
Well, that probably explains it. Stock iPod headphones are so muddy they hide pretty much every detail in the sound (good and bad).
But all this new stuff just sounds plain awful. It's all so shrill, and if Robert's voice could be any louder, I don't think you could hear anything else.
It just sounds like really low-budget, amateur production. Something I would never expect from this band in a million years.
Everyone can flame me all they want for saying this, but I know good sound when I hear it - and this ain't it!
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 10, 2008, 13:14:00
Well, that probably explains it. Stock iPod headphones are so muddy they hide pretty much every detail in the sound (good and bad).
But all this new stuff just sounds plain awful. It's all so shrill, and if Robert's voice could be any louder, I don't think you could hear anything else.
It just sounds like really low-budget, amateur production. Something I would never expect from this band in a million years.
Everyone can flame me all they want for saying this, but I know good sound when I hear it - and this ain't it!
maybe I'm just going deaf and anything sounds good to these blasted out old ears ;-)
@lf4 - Do you have any suggestions for good in-ear headphones around the $70.00 mark. that's an AUS or US dollar BTW!!! much of a muchness nowadays...
@JB - thanks for that, I'll have a bit of a dig around..
I dont think poor mastering is a good reason to totally discount the new songs, Its a legitimate gripe but if you dont like the songs themselves thats fine. Bad/good mastering can only go so far. Good songs are gonna be good whether they're on wax cylinders or gold cd's.
That said I like the new songs, and I am looking forward to the remix ep if only out of morbid curiosity as to what the Fallout Boy mix of the Perfect Boy will sound like. The 65daysofstatic thing seems interesting and the other 3 seem fine so long as Gerard Way doesnt try to sing over SWID. That would just be blasphameous. I mean I actually like MCR but the Cure should just be the Cure...
I feel genuine pity for the people who can't enjoy these new songs. I think they sound lovely, and it's really sad that others can't bring themselves to enjoy them. You're really missing out, if you can't appreciate songs like The Only One, The Perfect Boy, Without You, and Down Under.
It all sounds great to me -- I don't know what you're listening to that gives you a headache, but if it's doing that, Christ, turn the thing down. Maybe the dynamic range has been reduced to an extent that hinders your enjoyment, but if your problem with the songs is that they're too loud, just turn them down. I can't imagine someone who has the songs on the lowest possible setting [short of off] could find them too loud.
Again, I'm sorry for each of you who can't enjoy the Cure's new music. I think it's lovely and that you're missing out.
This, by the way, is PRECISELY the reason I've resisted delving into audiophilia -- buying headphones that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, getting into SACD, and making meticulous notes about tape generation. It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.
I've got 27 minutes and 47 seconds of wonderful new Cure music to enjoy. I hope you come around someday and hear what I do.
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 11, 2008, 06:27:28This, by the way, is PRECISELY the reason I've resisted delving into audiophilia -- buying headphones that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, getting into SACD, and making meticulous notes about tape generation. It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.
I've got 27 minutes and 47 seconds of wonderful new Cure music to enjoy. I hope you come around someday and hear what I do.
I've never intentionally delved into audiophilia either. I just happened to be blessed (cursed?) with a sensitive pair of ears. And I don't need some super expensive equipment to know when something sounds like crap.
I've always suspected that only a small percentage of the population has really sensitive hearing, and these are often the people that get into music/music production, etc.
Well, whoever produced this 2008 Cure stuff sounds must have not been one of these people, so that's why it's embarrassing.
There is all kinds of crappy pop/rap from this year that sounds superior than the new Cure stuff, which just adds to the embarrassment. And there are lots of audience recordings of the recent tour that are better to listen to than the studio stuff.
This is all pretty ridiculous, when you think about it. That's all I've been trying to say.
As you seem to be insinuating, I'm not trying to be negative or snobby on purpose. I'm just bringing up a very real problem, that you apparently can't hear. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Hmmmm... I'm starting to get the feeling I've already said most of this before.
Maybe we could create a new rule for this forum: "Only positive opinions of the band and their music may be posted. Members who do otherwise will have their posts removed and be subject to termination."
Then it can be a happy-happy utopia for everyone to revel in the new stuff, including The Only One (the greatest piece of lyrical poetry that Robert Smith has ever written!)
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 11, 2008, 07:04:32
Maybe we could create a new rule for this forum: "Only positive opinions of the band and their music may be posted. Members who do otherwise will have their posts removed and be subject to termination."
Then it can be a happy-happy utopia for everyone to revel in the new stuff, including The Only One (the greatest piece of lyrical poetry that Robert Smith has ever written!)
Yes, Caley. That's
exactly what I want.
Well-spotted.
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 11, 2008, 06:27:28You're really missing out, if you can't appreciate songs like The Only One, The Perfect Boy, Without You, and Down Under.
no. this is a misunderstanding: i never said i can't enjoy those song
in any form. i can actually enjoy the live versions very much. so to "blame" me for not enjoying this music is a bit harsh, sorry. i've never said i don't appreciate the songs and/or the songwriting was crap - so if you're referring to me, then i'm afraid you might be twisting my words a bit.
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 11, 2008, 06:27:28It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.
Quote from: Bloodflower on August 11, 2008, 06:27:28This, by the way, is PRECISELY the reason I've resisted delving into audiophilia -- buying headphones that cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, getting into SACD, and making meticulous notes about tape generation. It ruins the whole experience of music, really. You become more concerned with graphs and analyses than the music itself. And I think that's really sad.
first, another misunderstanding: i do NOT listen to music by looking at some graphs FIRST. i listen to music and if it sounds sonderful/ok to me, i don't need to look into any damn graphics. but if/when something sounds to me like it's not completely ok somehow, if there's something bugging me in there, yes i sometimes do try to see what might be the reason for that. i do that because i'm interested in music, because i love it. but i certainly NEVER start with a "ok so let's see how this looks in graphics!". that would be totally ridiculous - because it's music for chrissakes, it's meant for your ears(!).
but if your ears do tell you something is not ok there, then sometimes (i repeat, sometimes) there are ways to use one's eyes to find out what it is. sometimes, not nearly always. so graphs alone are not an answer for everything, for chrissakes. and you need to know what tool you can use for what, what means what.
maybe it's sad that i try to delve into things when something i hear through my ears is bugging me, maybe it's sad that i want to find some information about things that catch my attention? well i wouldn't agree it is but maybe someone can say that. but to say that i am "listening to graphs" and judging music because something "looks" bad (or to say that i can't enjoy fully music because of that), sorry but that is simply wrong.
or, should i then say that it's sad that some people enjoy them in their 13mix state? no, i don't mind it if people can enjoy then. good for them i suppose. it's just that i do trust my pair of ears over someone else's opinion - but is that sad or somehow wrong? i wonder.
so, i don't mind it if people are happy with that stuff, i don't envy their enjoyment - it's just that i have a different opinion and yes i've said it out loud. and i said it more than once, yes - why? well perhaps blame this one of robert & co. because it's they've decided to release one single released every month. so every time a new one came out, all i could say was it didn't sound right to me. yes that was maybe repetitive, but how about all those people who posted a positive comment every time a single came out - what's the difference there, really?
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 11, 2008, 07:04:32
I've never intentionally delved into audiophilia either. I just happened to be blessed (cursed?) with a sensitive pair of ears. And I don't need some super expensive equipment to know when something sounds like crap.
exactly.
and like said, i am not an audiophile (or whatever) because it's somehow "cool" or something, because i wanted to "explain" to other people, how to perceive things. if i'm explining anything then i am only explaining my own way of hearing things - and that's more like a kind of form of
self-analysis, rather than and active attempt to try to "educate" others.
the fact is that i am simply interested in music in other levels too than just putting a nice tune on a swinging a bit to it. hey i like that too, i like it a lot actually. but to say that that's all that matters: i think music is a lot more interesting thing than that, there's a lot more potential there that can be discussed. of course, it does not have to be discussed but it can be. so i really can't find nothing wrong in that. and mind you, that doesn't mean i place myself in some kind of "higher level of understanding" or something - now that would be total b***shit. it's just about how i hear music, how and what i enjoy in it. that's the only thing i can try to describe, what anyone of us can describe. :!:
so yes, i've used some strong words, describing my reaction to the recent releases. i don't take it back because it is/was just a description how
I hear it all. but i do feel rather bad being "accused" for hearing things the way i do hear them.... it seems almost like it is somehow "wrong" to enjoy delving into things - you do that and you often get accused of being a smart-ass audiophile or whatever. hmm, why?
why should it be "sad" that i can't enjoy 'all kinds of things', the way it is now?
is there one single right way to listen to music, to enjoy music?
now, i do feel rather silly, writing all this stuff, trying to defend and explain myself (if i had just been "bright enough" to post only positive responses then i wouldn't have explain anything, i guess?).
but i suppose i can't help wondering whether this forum is about to come one of those places where only positive comments are ok(?).
(and yeah it's one of those long posts again. well read it if you want, don't read it if you don't care.)
I will just wait and see ;)
And I'm very happy to say I'm a curefan who loves the music, the sound and of course Roberts voice, without thinking about all the technical stuff like how Jason is playing the drums,... (I don't blame the people who do this! but I think I can enjoy more ???? )
I think that many fans starred blind at the albums in the past, but come on be open for new stuff, it's called innovation :) A week ago I heard the song "Da hype" from Junior Jack on the radio // it's a DJ, not the music I like, but from the start I heard Roberts voice there was a big smile on my face.
Who am I to judge these remixes? These are the only ones I didn't heard before :-D, so it's a suprise! :P
Hi everybody! New here!
I'd say there's a chance this could be a good thing OR a bad thing.
There's a small chance these people, regardless of their affiliations, could take the songs and just make them sound more full and overall better mixed and more enjoyable...or there's always the chance with remixes that they will add their own stuff to it which based on my opinion of the chosen remixers' music would be terrible...here's hoping for the first one!
Has everyone heard the final details about this?
I read it here:
http://www.thequietus.com/articles/the-cure-announced-brand-new-remix-project (http://www.thequietus.com/articles/the-cure-announced-brand-new-remix-project)
There's a link there to hear a little snippet of one of the tracks.
What does everyone think of bands like these remixing Cure tracks? Hmmmm! Cause for debate? Have they openly said they are influenced by them or something?
Remember the Quietus was the website that got into a tussle with Metallica? Haha! So funny!
(http://assets.thequietus.com/images/articles/280/the_cure_1218451056_crop_374x282.jpg)
Quote from: melly on August 10, 2008, 11:44:02
I am sick of the negativity which has pervaded this forum.
We shouldnt generalize. The new album topic is just 1 out of 5014 topics in Curefans. I'm sure people is not that much negative in the other 5013 topics. Anyway, I think all criticism is welcome as long as it comes in a polite way. And I think so far all discussions here have been very polite and with solid arguments in most of the cases.
But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks):
Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.
Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum. To me it seems that some people still don't accept the happier side of the Cure universe even 25 years after "Lovecats". I have no clue what people expect? All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never".
No surprise to see the best Cure single in ages (The perfect boy) getting mainly harsh responses here. That's really frustrating. But wait, the uninspired "Your god is fear" is an excellent song, right?
Just to have a different approach:
I LOVE (most) OF THE NEW SONGS!!!
I THINK THE PRODUCTION OF ALL SINGLES IS QUITE GOOD!!!
THE STUDIO VERSIONS SOUND MUCH BETTER THAN THE LIVE ONES!!!
THE DRUMMING IS AS GOOD AS ALWAYS!!! (just listen to "NY Trip")
I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO GET THE ALBUM AND I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT DAY!!!
(The only thing I'm not happy with are the chosen remixers, but hey, who could seriously be happy with these Emo idiots.) ;)
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.
All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never".
No surprise to see the best Cure single in ages (The perfect boy) getting mainly harsh responses here. That's really frustrating. But wait, the uninspired "Your god is fear" is an excellent song, right?
Well, it's not true that NOBODY at curefans likes the new songs!
So no reason to stop posting here.
I suggest you try to explain why are TEOTW, Cut Here or Your God is Fear crap songs. That's a start...
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks): Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum.
As I said below, maybe the reason is that you're focusing in a single topic, out of more than 5000 topics created in Curefans.com. If you focus in the other topics (audio, lyrics, technical stuff, etc.) you will find not negativity there. By the way, all other communities have almost the same thoughts about the new stuff (they don't like it), altought there will be some people who are also hard-die fans, and will take everything what The Cure records. My case, for instance.
janko's right: no need for anyone to stop posting. :smth023
besides, it IS possible to be critical (and even in a strong manner) without being negative. it's not the same thing, imo...
criticism doesn't mean people are trying to be nasty or didn't care/respect/love this band. :!:
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
But that's exactly what made me stop posting here (after just being an active member for 1-2 weeks): Of course people can express their oppinion, but this negativitiy is really unique for a fan forum.
by the way, i don't hate the new songs! (although i've been bashed about that lately):
http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5189.msg51056.html#msg51056
:)
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
Nobody seems to like any of the new songs, the productions, the drumming, the cover layout or the colour of Robert's lipstick.
hmm i think people complaining about the cover layout (and robert's lipstick) are over there on the official site, don't you think? ;)
and by the way,
i like the new songs.
and i'm part of the staff of this forum...
so, as you can see...
it's useless to generalize on curefans.
it's just that everyone has his own opinions.
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 12, 2008, 20:43:37
and by the way,
i like the new songs.
and i'm part of the staff of this forum...
so, as you can see...
it's useless to generalize on curefans.
it's just that everyone has his own opinions.
Yeah! I want to say that the only song I kind of enjoy is The Only One because it reminds me of High and the great Wish-era.
And talking about the sound of the new stuff, I can say that the new songs sound like I'm listening them in an AM Radio station (my 5.1 speakers can't do much to enhance them) :twisted:
Of course I won't stop posting here, I just claimed that to sound more theatralical. ;)
For that sound/production discussion I think it's unfair to focuss on the Cure. It's not a secret that almost all productions of recent years are very compressed and loud to grab people's attention. I don't support that trend, but it's so common that I can't be upset about the production of the Cure singles. Trends come an go, maybe we'll be back to the old school of mixing (with equalizers being back into the green segment) by 2009?
Quote from: Trust... on August 11, 2008, 12:35:59
I think that many fans starred blind at the albums in the past, but come on be open for new stuff, it's called innovation
Yeah and imho this is one of the biggest problems: we often judge the new songs thinking about the old albums and in this prospective (I must be honest!) all the new stuff seems not so good. But is it right to judge the new songs from that point of view? I think we need to understand and
accept that we can't wait for a new "disintegration", "17 sec", etc..(it's always the same, I know), those times are gone and everything goes on. We can't ask Robert to "repeat himself", I know it's hard, neither I can't still appreciate the new stuff
completely, but we must try to be opened to the innovation :)
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 13, 2008, 08:47:59
For that sound/production discussion I think it's unfair to focuss on the Cure. It's not a secret that almost all productions of recent years are very compressed and loud to grab people's attention. I don't support that trend, but it's so common that I can't be upset about the production of the Cure singles. Trends come an go, maybe we'll be back to the old school of mixing (with equalizers being back into the green segment) by 2009?
But there's more to it here. Yes, it's loud and overcompressed (everything since Wild Mood Swings has been this way to varying degrees) — but this sounds bad in other ways too. If this was an up-and-coming band's demo or something I could understand it, but that's not quite the case here.
I thought I would stop talking about this subject, but I just heard The Perfect Boy single for the first time today and it was the same old thoughts going through my head, "Wow, this is hurting my ears. Maybe I should pause this for a minute." (while in mid-song)
Then I think, "I haven't heard anything this bad since... Oh yeah, the single from last month." :x
And I've listened to a lot of music (old and new) between the last two releases. It's f*cking ridiculous!
I guess I'm already looking forward to their new album in 2012, because this year seems hopeless for turning out a quality studio production. :smth011
Or maybe it's time for The Cure to give up recording new material and just focus on touring. The 2007-08 live stuff impressed me, but the recent studio recordings make me feel ashamed.
P.S. I like almost all of the new songs.
Astonishing to which extend the production matters to you. I hardly find anything to complain about, at least nothing that keeps me away from loving those new songs. Only the fact that they seem to sound better with some background noise (e.g. in the car) is somehow strange. Maybe Robert's got some noise continuously in his ears? ;)
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 14, 2008, 14:17:13I hardly find anything to complain about, at least nothing that keeps me away from loving those new songs. Only the fact that they seem to sound better with some background noise (e.g. in the car) is somehow strange. Maybe Robert's got some noise continuously in his ears? ;)
Well, that should tell you that something isn't right. That background noise is likely drowning out some of the unpleasantries of the sound.
I think most will agree that a quiet atmosphere is ideal for listening to high-quality music.
And yes, I'm afraid that Robert's hearing must be fading after all these years. I really think the Robert of 15 years ago would be appalled if he heard the sound of the stuff he was putting out today.
I'm actually convinced of this, considering how good some of The Cure's older stuff sounded. And please note I'm only talking about the production here, nothing to do with the songwriting. That's a whole different topic in and of itself.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 14, 2008, 14:17:13
Astonishing to which extend the production matters to you.
well, of course it matters. no say it doesn't matter is pretty much the same as saying that the taste of food doesn't matter. i mean, imagine going to a restaurant and ordering their best and most expensive dish. prepared form the very best ingredients. if the cook doesn't know what he's doing, the food will taste mediocre, no matter now precious ingredients were used.
this is exactly what is happening with these cure releases: the ingredients are superb (=the cure!) but the cook (=all those in charge of the production, mixing and remastering) just screwed it up. the taste is gone.
i don't exactly enjoy eating the world's most expensive dish, if it's so badly prepared that you you feel that you could have just as well grabbed a hamburger from mcD instead.
(hmm suddenly i find myself thinking of that japanese "lethal is prepared by a lousy cook" fish, called fugu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu)...)
i think people easily forget how much the producers (&other studio people behind the scenes) really affect the "final product", how kmuch it all depends on great production. yes the band members write the songs. but the producer &co. are there to create the
sound, to "sculpt it out the sound matter" that the band has recorded, so to speak. :!:
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 14, 2008, 14:17:13
Maybe Robert's got some noise continuously in his ears? ;)
yes if this is true then it's really unhappy news. so i wouldn't add a happy smiley but a sad one because it's not funny. :(
then again, i wouldn't be the sligtest bit surprised if he had hearing damage by now. all those years being exposed to loud music does affect your hearing. i think pretty much all rock musicians have some kind of hearing damage because they are constantly exposed to over 85 dbs environments (which is the limit after which the damage is not only possible but guaranteed).
ps. lostflower4 is right. you've already noticed something yourself that proves that these recordings are damaged. if it really sounds "better" when you drown it in some other sound coming form an external sound source then that should really ring "alarm alarm!" for you.
So what do you think about the production of "Without you"? For me that one is perfect, I just listened to it very LOUD and I loved the sound (and the song too, a great one).
Oh god, the people who are remixing are crap. I hate those bands :smth011
Why does Robert think that Cure fans listen to rubbish such as Fall Out Boy and AFI. Sure some do, but most hate it, so why do this???
Thanks Japanesebaby for clearing up the sound debate with the two screen shots. And yes I agree, PRODUCTION MATTERS! It matters big time! They should have ditched Keith Udden at hello, and went back to Jane Seymours house again (where they recorded Wild Mood Swings). Or stuck with the guy they did the self-titled album with. That sounded lovely to me. How can so much change in just 4 years??
And here's a thought; maybe Robert and the boys shouldn't have recorded an album while they were touring around the world. You know what it's like when you go home after a loud show and your ears are ringing and ringing. Well imagine being on stage and having to perform for 3 hours on a massive 59 show tour. I'm suprised Robert hasn't curled over and died after such a thing. He probably did have his ears ringing an awful lot during the recording process hence the loud mixing on the new stuff. This is such a shame.
:cry:
Quote from: tigermilk on August 16, 2008, 18:47:40
Oh god, the people who are remixing are crap. I hate those bands :smth011
Why does Robert think that Cure fans listen to rubbish such as Fall Out Boy and AFI. Sure some do, but most hate it, so why do this???
Thanks Japanesebaby for clearing up the sound debate with the two screen shots. And yes I agree, PRODUCTION MATTERS! It matters big time! They should have ditched Keith Udden at hello, and went back to Jane Seymours house again (where they recorded Wild Mood Swings). Or stuck with the guy they did the self-titled album with. That sounded lovely to me. How can so much change in just 4 years??
And here's a thought; maybe Robert and the boys shouldn't have recorded an album while they were touring around the world. You know what it's like when you go home after a loud show and your ears are ringing and ringing. Well imagine being on stage and having to perform for 3 hours on a massive 59 show tour. I'm suprised Robert hasn't curled over and died after such a thing. He probably did have his ears ringing an awful lot during the recording process hence the loud mixing on the new stuff. This is such a shame.
:cry:
I don't think anyone's ever said that.
Ever.
Quote from: tigermilk on August 16, 2008, 18:47:40
and went back to Jane Seymours house again (where they recorded Wild Mood Swings). [...] That sounded lovely to me.
:shock:
Wild Mood Swing sounds "lovely" ??
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 17, 2008, 13:05:05
Quote from: tigermilk on August 16, 2008, 18:47:40
and went back to Jane Seymours house again (where they recorded Wild Mood Swings). [...] That sounded lovely to me.
:shock:
Wild Mood Swing sounds "lovely" ??
Yeah I think it sounds great.... the production levels (in my opinion) are nice. When I listen to say, 'Labyrinth' from The Cure, or 'Return' from WMS, they sound much better than 'Sleep When I'm Dead'. So how did the production change so much is what I want to know. I just don't know why they can't go through the same process as before. WMS does sound good in quality, but I know a lot of people don't like it. Maybe I should have said Bloodflowers instead.. haha. :smth020
You know, I used to think that Wild Mood Swings sounded horrible. But when you compare it to the new stuff, the production on that was actually quite spectacular.
How do I feel about the production of Without You? Bad as ever, if not worse.
It really does seem that every single keeps sounding progressively worse. I don't know how they do it! :twisted:
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 17, 2008, 22:16:08
It really does seem that every single keeps sounding progressively worse.
Let's hope this pattern doesn't hold true for the album and all this shoddy production has only been reserved for the mix 13 stuff.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on August 17, 2008, 22:21:41Quote from: lostflower4 on August 17, 2008, 22:16:08It really does seem that every single keeps sounding progressively worse.
Let's hope this pattern doesn't hold true for the album and all this shoddy production has only been reserved for the mix 13 stuff.
I would normally be inclined to believe this, but B-sides are usually produced in exactly the same way as the album stuff. :?
Robert has been producing, or at lease co-producing the singles, right? Do we know if he's at the helm for the album? There was all that talk of the record company wanting to use some name producer or whatever and then Robert taking care of the double album. Do we know who actually produced the album?
Robert Smith & Keith Uddin, I think.
Is it possible that the sound is different on the US-Versions of the Singles? Maybe some pressing error?
Because I still have no clue what you are talking about concerning the sound. I'd say it's a standard production (for 2008): Slightly too loud and to compressed, but that's it. That doesn't turn a good song into a bad one.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 18, 2008, 14:31:43
Is it possible that the sound is different on the US-Versions of the Singles? Maybe some pressing error?
No... I've heard several different versions from different parts of the world (from CD), as well as an iTunes version.
All are equally painful to listen to.
I'm still finding it hard to get my head around this Emo-EP. Yuk!
Gang of Four and Bloc Party released CDs with remixes of their songs by various bands, like Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Ladytron, Amusement Parks on Fire among many others, and they were great remixes.
Why are The Cure going with these crap emo bands? Just so they can get new 15 year old fans? Why not stay true to the original fans?? Argghhh!
Quote from: tigermilk on August 19, 2008, 05:19:29
Ladytron
Nice!
I'd like to hear a Ladytron remix of some Cure song. :smth023
Take care if ordering from HMV.com - :!:
The hypnagogic state ep cover has been used to promote the new album (£8.99) - the link for the ep pre-order is further down the HMV webpage:
Hypnagogic State: Ep
Cure
Release date: 15-9-2008 - pre order now
CDS £2.99 Free Delivery
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 25, 2008, 06:46:59
Hypnagogic States is a pun -- sort of. The US reference is clear from the picture he posted, but I wouldn't assume just yet that that is the EP artwork. It doesn't seem particularly Parched Art to me, but then I'm just a guy on a board; what do I know? Let's wait and see.
Agree 100% with this post...
Quote from: othervoices on August 25, 2008, 13:49:57
Take care if ordering from HMV.com - :!:
The hypnagogic state ep cover has been used to promote the new album (£8.99) - the link for the ep pre-order is further down the HMV webpage:
Hypnagogic State: Ep
Cure
Release date: 15-9-2008 - pre order now
CDS £2.99 Free Delivery
I haven't as yet gone this route - pre-ordering, but cheers for making me aware of this! I've been using HMV for all the singles, and so far no issues... Thanks for the heads up!
Quote from: KingOfSomeIsland on July 26, 2008, 23:46:39
I mean hes an Earthling!!! It should be EARTH CRASH GODDAMNIT!!!
Earth Crash... sounds like a sports drink for environmentalists
Yeah, it does! :D
I don't think he meant "Piss off, America!" I just think it's kind of like an ironic pun of some sort. It's a remix EP, does that mean the songs on it have already been released?
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
I have no clue what people expect? All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never".
Well, you could be right about 'Cut Here' or 'Just Say Yes'... but then we didn't have to endure those on a Cure studio album. As for 'The end of the world', I think that it is a kind-of-nice-pop-song that, frankly, could have come from exactly the same sessions as the new 2008 pop stuff... I can't understand what makes these new songs better...
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 10, 2008, 11:13:04
one of my biggest concerns now is not the upcoming album but the remaining deluxe remasters i don't expect anything from the upcoming album now, actually. and before you get that all wrong: actually i'm quite convinced that the music will be good but i'm so terminally scared of the production/mastering issues that i don't want to think about it). i can only pray that the next deluxe box coming up in the series won't be remastered by the same monkey that did the recent singles. and to add to the irony, of course the next one in the series has to be 'disintegration'.... huh.
Well, look on the bright side of it: 'Disintegration' doesn't really need any re-mastering of any kind. The original CD version you probably have in your hands is perfect as it is. The main interest of the De-luxe version will be finding out previously unreleased material, but I think (it's only a guess) that probably there aren't any unrealesed gems from that era.
Quote from: Lady on August 13, 2008, 15:27:02
Quote from: Trust... on August 11, 2008, 12:35:59
I think that many fans starred blind at the albums in the past, but come on be open for new stuff, it's called innovation
Yeah and imho this is one of the biggest problems: we often judge the new songs thinking about the old albums and in this prospective (I must be honest!) all the new stuff seems not so good. But is it right to judge the new songs from that point of view? I think we need to understand and accept that we can't wait for a new "disintegration", "17 sec", etc..(it's always the same, I know), those times are gone and everything goes on. We can't ask Robert to "repeat himself", I know it's hard, neither I can't still appreciate the new stuff completely, but we must try to be opened to the innovation :)
Yeah, but none of the new songs so far has anything about it that could remotely be described as "innovation"... So it's only natural that we start comparing them with older Cure stuff. For myself, I would certainly prefer The Cure to release a truly innovative album than 'Disintegration Part 3'. Even though I really wouldn´t mind this last type, specially if it would sound less tired than 'Bloodflowers'.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on August 12, 2008, 15:04:48
All of the new songs, either studio or live, are so much better than crap like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "the end of the world", not even to mention album tracks like "Never". No surprise to see the best Cure single in ages (The perfect boy) getting mainly harsh responses here. That's really frustrating. But wait, the uninspired "Your god is fear" is an excellent song, right?
'Cut Here' is brilliant! And 'The End Of The World' is great too. Personally I wish the new stuff sounded more like those songs. It's true, Cure fans are very hard to please, and it's always going to be that way. In my opinion I loved the self titled album, and I wish the new stuff sounded as good as that.
Songs like 'Anniversary', 'Labryrinth' and 'This Morning' are timeless tracks for me. And I would rather listen to them than any of the new tracks. This is unfortunate, but I'm still looking forward to the album nevertheless. I'm sure it will still be a great listen from beginning to end. I'm even looking forward to the EP when at first it almost made me feel sick!! I've finally overlooked the "emo remix" thing, and I'm really interested in seeing what they're going to do... make them better or worse? It will definately be interesting...
I must confess I am still baffled by the point of this EP.
Quote from: Secrets on September 01, 2008, 15:48:24
I must confess I am still baffled by the point of this EP.
I believe it was to help appease the fans disappointed by another delay as the album was intended to release on sept 13 originally. Robert has stated all sales proceeds from the release are being donated to international red cross.
Quote from: revolt on September 01, 2008, 12:04:30
Well, look on the bright side of it: 'Disintegration' doesn't really need any re-mastering of any kind. The original CD version you probably have in your hands is perfect as it is.
yes, you're 100% right about that.
i meant waiting for the possible unreleased material on the bonus disc, but perhaps it's a fool's hope. i was already pretty disappointed with the KMKMKM bonus disc as i'm not keen on demos (unless they are really something new and demos for unreleased songs). and because being a live music fan i find it annoying that they included a few live tracks there as teasers, instead of simply releasing a complete friggin' soundboard!
so perhaps there's very little hope there that some gems like '2 late' migth emerge. but you can always dream about it.... :-D
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 10, 2008, 12:35:22
then have a look at the two screenshots attached.
the first one's "healthy sound" from times when the cure was produced well, with love and care.
the second one's from 'all kinds of things'. i think you should see how the latter one has been damaged. see how part of the dynamic range (look at the edges and imagine how the peaks there should be like, like they are in the "healthy" image) has been cut off already in the studio? the 2008 image looks just like one big block of constant volume.
Is that actual clipping in the waveform or just at peak volume?
I use a set of studio master headphones with my iPod and Freakshow clips so badly :(
The Official just put up a countdown for the EP with a short clip of "The Only One". Nothing to get all to excited about yet but it gives you a little hint of what to expect. It's OK but I'll wait till I hear the whole thing before I say anything else. :)
Quote from: firecrasher on September 02, 2008, 19:29:45Is that actual clipping in the waveform or just at peak volume?
I use a set of studio master headphones with my iPod and Freakshow clips so badly :(
Well... In perfect practice, volume limiting, or dynamic range compression (whatever you want to call it), simply raises the overall volume of something without clipping — but at the expense of attenuating all the highest peaks in the waveform.
When done in moderation and with good sense, this can actually be a fine thing. You can see this trend progress on CDs made throughout the years. If you take something that was released in the mid-'80s, chances are the volume is pretty moderate. Many times you could simply amplify the sound by several decibels without inducing any clipping (no fancy techniques needed).
Then, in the early '90s, a trend began to make CDs louder and louder. Some say this was motivated by multi-disc changers becoming commonplace, because people didn't like to have so many different albums of varying volume.
Digital technology allowed this loudness race to be taken to the extreme with the advent of processors like Waves L1, L2, etc. This allowed music to be limited/compressed to a much higher degree than was traditionally possible with analog equipment.
If you take a CD from around 1991-1993, chances are these technologies were being used, but to a reasonable degree. CDs still had a lot of dynamic range, but all the peaks were near 0 RMS, and with generally no clipping. Really nothing wrong with this at all. It's too bad things couldn't have stayed this way.
(Although "Wish" was released in 1992, it had a lower volume than typical CDs of this era).
But that's what I assume you're asking here, whether these new recordings are just mastered to 0 RMS, or beyond this (digital clipping).
Well, I'd say it's a combination of both now. Starting in the mid-90s ("Wild Mood Swings" in the Cure's case), the desire for loud CDs reached new heights, and the dynamic range of stuff started to become extremely compromised — although I'd still say it was more reasonable compared to today's standards.
Pretty much everything commercially released today is literally squished into a rectangular block with almost no dynamic range at all. In order to get this loud, some of the dynamics have to be reduced to such an extreme degree that even if clipping technically does not occur, those peaks are otherwise mangled/distorted by this extreme process.
Also, the tolerance for true clipping has greatly increased too. Just analyze one of those early '90s CDs again with an audio editor, and you will find virtually no clipped samples presen.
But look at stuff from years after this, and you will find that most CDs do have clipped samples. Combine the unnaturally amplified music along with true actual samples, and you have one heck of a mess there.
...And so we have The Cure's new releases. :smth011
by the way i've seen some people both on the official site and COF talk about some preview clip from the remix album.
where acn this be listened to? :?: :smth017
obviously it was posted somewhere on the official site(?) but i'm obviously too dumb to find anything over there
(sorry but it's just so messy over there and there's not even a search option).
Quote from: firecrasher on September 02, 2008, 19:29:45
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 10, 2008, 12:35:22
then have a look at the two screenshots attached.
the first one's "healthy sound" from times when the cure was produced well, with love and care.
the second one's from 'all kinds of things'. i think you should see how the latter one has been damaged. see how part of the dynamic range (look at the edges and imagine how the peaks there should be like, like they are in the "healthy" image) has been cut off already in the studio? the 2008 image looks just like one big block of constant volume.
Is that actual clipping in the waveform or just at peak volume?
that's actual clipping in the waveform of course (sadly) - just open 'freakshow' in an audio editor and you will see the same yourself.
anyway, someone already answered to this so i've nothing much to add.
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:05:50
by the way i've seen some people both on the official site and COF talk about some preview clip from the remix album.
where acn this be listened to? :?: :smth017
obviously it was posted somewhere on the official site(?) but i'm obviously too dumb to find anything over there
(sorry but it's just so messy over there and there's not even a search option).
Well, maybe they were referring to the short snippet from a remix of "The Only One", that can be heard the moment you access the front page of the official site... It is really too short to make a good opinion.
Quote from: revolt on September 04, 2008, 10:30:04
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:05:50
by the way i've seen some people both on the official site and COF talk about some preview clip from the remix album.
where acn this be listened to? :?: :smth017
obviously it was posted somewhere on the official site(?) but i'm obviously too dumb to find anything over there
(sorry but it's just so messy over there and there's not even a search option).
Well, maybe they were referring to the short snippet from a remix of "The Only One", that can be heard the moment you access the front page of the official site... It is really too short to make a good opinion.
oh i see now, thanks. i knew it was some really dumb thing - you see my bookmark for the official site is set to go past the front page and directly to the "news" so i missed noticing this completely.
and that's certainly too short a clip to say anything much about it - other than it (naturally) sounds very compressed and messy....
To my surprise the remixes of Sleep when I'm dead and the perfect boy seem to work very nicely, at least judging from the samples. And a surprise to hear vocals on the 65DOS mix, I thought this band was only into instrumentals.
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 10:41:16
Quote from: revolt on September 04, 2008, 10:30:04
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:05:50
by the way i've seen some people both on the official site and COF talk about some preview clip from the remix album.
where acn this be listened to? :?: :smth017
obviously it was posted somewhere on the official site(?) but i'm obviously too dumb to find anything over there
(sorry but it's just so messy over there and there's not even a search option).
Well, maybe they were referring to the short snippet from a remix of "The Only One", that can be heard the moment you access the front page of the official site... It is really too short to make a good opinion.
oh i see now, thanks. i knew it was some really dumb thing - you see my bookmark for the official site is set to go past the front page and directly to the "news" so i missed noticing this completely.
and that's certainly too short a clip to say anything much about it - other than it (naturally) sounds very compressed and messy....
There's also this:
http://www.buecher.de/shop/Musik/Hypnagogic-States-EP/The-Cure/products_products/detail/prod_id/24863494/
Talk about noise pollution. Nearly as bad as the WMS remixes *shiver*
Quote from: Secrets on September 08, 2008, 13:13:09
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 10:41:16
Quote from: revolt on September 04, 2008, 10:30:04
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 04, 2008, 09:05:50
by the way i've seen some people both on the official site and COF talk about some preview clip from the remix album.
where acn this be listened to? :?: :smth017
obviously it was posted somewhere on the official site(?) but i'm obviously too dumb to find anything over there
(sorry but it's just so messy over there and there's not even a search option).
Well, maybe they were referring to the short snippet from a remix of "The Only One", that can be heard the moment you access the front page of the official site... It is really too short to make a good opinion.
oh i see now, thanks. i knew it was some really dumb thing - you see my bookmark for the official site is set to go past the front page and directly to the "news" so i missed noticing this completely.
and that's certainly too short a clip to say anything much about it - other than it (naturally) sounds very compressed and messy....
There's also this:
http://www.buecher.de/shop/Musik/Hypnagogic-States-EP/The-Cure/products_products/detail/prod_id/24863494/
Talk about noise pollution. Nearly as bad as the WMS remixes *shiver*
Well, except for track 5, which has the good sense of "toning down" the voice and also sports some interesting ambient sounds, I'm afraid none of the remixes' samples sounds promising at all. It looks like we have been offered a really pointless record. :roll:
Pointless? Aren't the royalties going to Int. Red Cross? probably not a complete waste then...
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 08, 2008, 14:52:26
Pointless? Aren't the royalties going to Int. Red Cross? probably not a complete waste then...
I meant from a musical /artistical point of view.
I won´t comment on the charity purpose, other than to say that if The Cure really want to do that kind of thing, they can always transfer some of their money directly to the relevant institution. Or maybe donate de royalties (either the totality or a percentage) from a truly important record - I won't say the new album, but maybe one of the De-luxe editions.
Then again, maybe it is adequate to have the royalties of this particular record going to the Red Cross... I mean, with the damaged years we're probably gonna get, there's a chance that we may find ourselves in need to ask for the help of the mentioned institution... :-D
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 07, 2008, 16:31:46
To my surprise the remixes of Sleep when I'm dead and the perfect boy seem to work very nicely, at least judging from the samples. And a surprise to hear vocals on the 65DOS mix, I thought this band was only into instrumentals.
For their own stuff, yes. But if 65DOS do a remix, they can of course leave the vocals there.
I've never been a big fan of remixes (oh I remember Mixed Up, not so much pleasure for me back then), but I'll buy the EP! First of all, it says "The Cure" on the cover so I'd buy it anyway... And I'm glad to hear it'll be for charity. Anyone wanting to give more money to charity, should of course donate directly to Red Cross or other organisation of their own choice.
I've listend to the snippets.
And what i can say at the moment it doesn't sound good actually, sorry :)
I don't like these remixes by these emo-bands (okay, i can't stand emo bands)
Don't like Mixed Up, these remixes are worse. So if i buy this EP i can't say it yet.
I will see :)
@ Revolt: I tend to agree given the waste that I've seen from the Australian Red Cross.. it's fken criminal esp. since that money should go to needy people, not updating managers' mobile phones with the latest Nokias...
@ Ulrich: a friend of mine once said "you'd buy a The Cure CD even if it contained an hour of RS farting!".. He's probably right... LOL
Quote from: Ulrich on September 08, 2008, 18:11:55
First of all, it says "The Cure" on the cover so I'd buy it anyway...
Well, I wonder then if you would buy something like this :-D:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:kxfoxz8jldte
Or this:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3bfpxq9sldae
Quote from: revolt on September 09, 2008, 10:32:00
Quote from: Ulrich on September 08, 2008, 18:11:55
First of all, it says "The Cure" on the cover so I'd buy it anyway...
Well, I wonder then if you would buy something like this :-D:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:kxfoxz8jldte
Or this:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3bfpxq9sldae
:lol:
Quote from: revolt on September 09, 2008, 10:32:00
Quote from: Ulrich on September 08, 2008, 18:11:55
First of all, it says "The Cure" on the cover so I'd buy it anyway...
Well, I wonder then if you would buy something like this :-D:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:kxfoxz8jldte
Or this:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:3bfpxq9sldae
Oh yes, Gospel and (even better!) R&B, must buy them!!
Or maybe not... :lol:
For Brisbane fans, this is available at Rocking Horse Records now [12 September 2008]!
$8.95
It's not on iTunes Aus yet though...
After a few listens I have to say that it's by far better than expected.
1. The Only One [Remix 4 by 30 Seconds to Mars]
Very different than the Mix13, but still definitely with a Cure touch (6 string bass, acoustic rhythmguitar). 6/10
2. Freakshow [Wolves at the Gate Remix]
Strange EBM/Eurodance mix. 1/10
3. Sleep When I'm Dead [Remix 4 by Gerard Way]
The electric sounds fits well to the song, in a way that the aggression of the vocals are reflected in the music way better than in the "soft" Mix13. I like it.
7/10
4. Perfect Boy [Remix 4 by Patrick Stump]
Nice to hear that "Why can't I be you" -like beat added. Interesting approach to change the chord progression, makes it almost a different song. Definitely my favourite Cure remix in 16 years. 8/10
5. Exploding Head Syndrome [4 Single Remix by 65]
I'm not into this up til now. Maybe it will grow, but for the time being rather disappointing.
Mixed Up II anyone? Or maybe Mixed Up for the year 2008..
Remember that there's that other remix of The Only One that's apparently only available as an iTunes "exclusive"...
It's on the Australian iTunes at $16.95, what a rip off!!
Quote from: tigermilk on September 13, 2008, 09:02:07
It's on the Australian iTunes at $16.95, what a rip off!!
What???? you're kidding? gotta check this shit out.. 65DOS did say on their website that maybe we could give the Red X the money and just get the file from torrent sites...
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 13, 2008, 10:41:41
65DOS did say on their website that maybe we could give the Red X the money and just get the file from torrent sites...
good thinking. or perhaps jared leto & friends could donate a couple of millions for us all? :-D
not that i'm bothered by it but the release date around here seems to be not until 17th by the way.
Quote from: tigermilk on September 13, 2008, 09:02:07
It's on the Australian iTunes at $16.95, what a rip off!!
Robert's got your back:
ITUNES UK HYPNAGOGIC NONSENSE
9/12/2008 7:15:36 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
PLEASE DONT BUY HYPNAGOGIC STATES EP FROM ITUNES FOR £7.99
IT IS ABSURD!
TMU HAS MANAGED TO f*ck THIS UP TO ANOTHER LEVEL!
MY EMAIL TO THEM TODAY IS BELOW
ITS EASIER THAN WRITING IT OUT AGAIN NICELY...
(THOSE OFFENDED BY COLOURFUL LANGUAGE LOOK AWAY NOW)
>
DEAR...
I f*cking DESPAIR
AGAIN
HYPNAGOGIC STATES EP IS NOW UP ON UK ITUNES...
5 TRACKS FOR £7.99?
FOR FUCKS SAKE!
AND THE PACKAGE IS COMPLETEY MISSING THE EXTRA BONUS TRACK (65DOS ALT REMIX OF "THE ONLY ONE")
SO
YOU CAN BUY THE FOUR REMIXES BY 30STM/AFI/MCR/FOB INDIVIDUALLY FOR 79P EACH...
BUT YOU ONLY GET THE 65DOS "EXPLODING HEAD SYNDROME" REMIX OF ALL FOUR SINGLES IF YOU PAY £7.99 FOR "THE ALBUM"...
IE YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO PAY £4.83 FOR THE 65DOS REMIX... !!!
WHO THE f*ck IS GOING TO PAY THIS AND NOT FEEL TOTALLY RIPPED OFF?
IT'S NOT A f*cking ALBUM!
IT'S A 5 TRACK EP
AND YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO GET AN EXTRA FREE TRACK (THE 65DOS REMIX OF "THE ONLY ONE") IF YOU BUY IT AS A 5 TRACK EP
AND ITS SUPPOSED TO COST LESS IF YOU BUY IT AS A 5 TRACK EP THAN IF YOU BUY THE 5 TRACKS INDIVIDUALLY...
THAT IS WHAT WAS AGREED
THIS IS SO TOTALLY WRONG
I REALLY DO f*cking DESPAIR
WHY IS IT SO INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYTHING DONE RIGHT?
PLEASE FIX THIS NOW
>
I AM POSTING THIS AS I FEEL
UPSET!
ANYWAY
PLEASE ONLY BUY THIS 5 TRACK EP FROM ITUNES WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE FOR AROUND £4.00 OR LESS AND YOU GET THE FREE 65DOS T.O.O REMIX - IT'S FAB AND THE MONEY (WELL - OUR SHARE OF IT!) IS GOING TO A GOOD CAUSE...
THIS GOES FOR ANY OTHER ITUNES STORES AROUND THE WORLD
LIKE JAPAN...
ONWARDS...
RSX
I think it's quite clear who the target audience Robert (or Universal?) was going after with these emo remixers.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9JCYUscAQ
:roll:
:!:WARNING - You might very well become ill while watching this video :smth078
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 13, 2008, 21:08:26
I think it's quite clear who the target audience Robert (or Universal?) was going after with these emo remixers.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9JCYUscAQ
:roll:
:!:WARNING - You might very well become ill while watching this video :smth078
why i feel like posting a video response over there on youtube...?
because suddenly i'm actually reminded by a pretty enjoyable jared leto video (the only good one ever made):
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEJTxuzCpw
:twisted:
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 13, 2008, 23:29:19
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 13, 2008, 21:08:26
I think it's quite clear who the target audience Robert (or Universal?) was going after with these emo remixers.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9JCYUscAQ
:roll:
:!:WARNING - You might very well become ill while watching this video :smth078
why i feel like posting a video response over there on youtube...?
because suddenly i'm actually reminded by a pretty enjoyable jared leto video (the only good one ever made):
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=zHEJTxuzCpw
:twisted:
Nice response, jb. :smth023 But why not offer the viewer more?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EGTfbFKc&feature=related
:smth042
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 13, 2008, 21:08:26
I think it's quite clear who the target audience Robert (or Universal?) was going after with these emo remixers.
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9JCYUscAQ
:roll:
:!:WARNING - You might very well become ill while watching this video :smth078
That was pretty shit!
Hmmm... Pretty uninspired remixes for the most part. Can't say I really dislike them, but they're just kind of pointless. Reminds me a lot of the 1996 remixes. But I have to say the sound quality is superior to the previous singles. My only complaint there is that Robert's voice is so damn LOUD. And sorry to say it, but his voice has started sounding more strained and squeaky ever since around 2004, so I don't know why there has been a trend to put his voice up front even more. If I was mixing this stuff, I'd want to put it in the background a bit more, or at least try to take the harshness out somehow.
I almost have a hard time believing these mixes were done at the artists' free will. I can totally imagine Robert demanding, "Make my voice LOUD or else!"
Although I did kind of enjoy the second half of The Only One remix, although the first half is bordering on torture. I think the song is musically kind of interesting, but I still can't STAND the lyrics/vocals. I really think it might be the worst Cure song ever.
And this "Exploding Head Syndrome"... Yes, my head IS going to explode if I hear any more of this "love, love, love" bullshit. Seriously, it's time to put this song in the vaults and move on.
Quote from: lostflower4 on September 14, 2008, 07:41:07
My only complaint there is that Robert's voice is so damn LOUD. And sorry to say it, but his voice has started sounding more strained and squeaky ever since around 2004, so I don't know why there has been a trend to put his voice up front even more. If I was mixing this stuff, I'd want to put it in the background a bit more, or at least try to take the harshness out somehow.
I almost have a hard time believing these mixes were done at the artists' free will. I can totally imagine Robert demanding, "Make my voice LOUD or else!"
indeed that's a pretty obvious sign of robert dictating the rules there.
reminds me of 'blue sunshine' "vocal demos" - just one of those "truths" he'll keep saying with a straight face although everyone can hear the truth. i wonder why(?).
love love love loveee :)
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 13, 2008, 21:08:26
I think it's quite clear who the target audience Robert (or Universal?) was going after...
according to the 65DOS site, they say it was Universals' choice of bands to do the remixes..
after reading some of the above vitriolic comments re Jared leto, I thought to myself,"This guy must be a real bastard, a rotten person". I have never heard of him, (probably an age thing on my behalf) so, I "googled" him, and the band he is in. Okay, not my taste in music, but that's nothing. Why do some people detest him so much? Is it just because of his music, or he was an actor, or has he done something really vile, like bash a woman or hurt a kid? The kind of lip curling sneers directed at this guy is pretty harsh, if it's just because you don't like his music. Don't listen to it. Why tear the guy apart on a Cure forum? I don't like his remix, so I don't listen to it. You know, life can be simpler by being a little more accepting of others.
:smth011
Quote from: melly on September 15, 2008, 12:02:40
Why tear the guy apart on a Cure forum?
Because I got some joy out of it. And it's not like I got any from that remix.
Quote from: melly on September 15, 2008, 12:02:40
after reading some of the above vitriolic comments re Jared leto, I thought to myself,"This guy must be a real bastard, a rotten person". I have never heard of him, (probably an age thing on my behalf) so, I "googled" him, and the band he is in. Okay, not my taste in music, but that's nothing. Why do some people detest him so much? Is it just because of his music, or he was an actor, or has he done something really vile, like bash a woman or hurt a kid? The kind of lip curling sneers directed at this guy is pretty harsh, if it's just because you don't like his music. Don't listen to it. Why tear the guy apart on a Cure forum? I don't like his remix, so I don't listen to it. You know, life can be simpler by being a little more accepting of others.
:smth011
I have to say that I don't get it either. I have a friend who is a big fan of 30 Seconds To Mars, so I've been familiar with their stuff for a while.
Ok... I can see that a lot of people don't like emo music, and I can't say I'm a big fan either. But they are NOT an emo band, so all this bashing seems really senseless to me! :smth017
I really wonder if anyone here has actually listened to their music? And I agree, what did this guy ever do to make everyone so angry? :?
Quote from: lostflower4 on September 15, 2008, 21:05:55
Quote from: melly on September 15, 2008, 12:02:40
after reading some of the above vitriolic comments re Jared leto, I thought to myself,"This guy must be a real bastard, a rotten person". I have never heard of him, (probably an age thing on my behalf) so, I "googled" him, and the band he is in. Okay, not my taste in music, but that's nothing. Why do some people detest him so much? Is it just because of his music, or he was an actor, or has he done something really vile, like bash a woman or hurt a kid? The kind of lip curling sneers directed at this guy is pretty harsh, if it's just because you don't like his music. Don't listen to it. Why tear the guy apart on a Cure forum? I don't like his remix, so I don't listen to it. You know, life can be simpler by being a little more accepting of others.
:smth011
I have to say that I don't get it either. I have a friend who is a big fan of 30 Seconds To Mars, so I've been familiar with their stuff for a while.
Ok... I can see that a lot of people don't like emo music, and I can't say I'm a big fan either. But they are NOT an emo band, so all this bashing seems really senseless to me! :smth017
I really wonder if anyone here has actually listened to their music? And I agree, what did this guy ever do to make everyone so angry? :?
yes i've actually heard enough of their music. i simply can't stand mr leto's so-called "singing": the way he tend to shout all their choruses. perhaps i should give him some credit for actually being a decent actor, because he can somehow act his way through being a singer. i'm just fed up with that kind of acting, sorry, for me it's just so completely pointless. and all their music is the same. pompous, filled with some enormous faked "feeling" all through. just totally hollow and uninteresting.
and the pompousness of their videos makes it even more laughable:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=HxNAVq2qYmU
or you can try any other youtube link i suppose.
and good for you if you like it. sorry if i don't and sorry if i also say it - or have a little bit of fun about it sometimes.
what's the big deal anyway? we shouldn't hurt some multi-millionaire's feelings? boohoo, poor little jared. :lol:
come on.
Hmm listening to it right now. As for my first impressions:
The Only One (30 Seconds to Mars Mix) is alright. Its really all over the place in the beginning and alot of it seems out of place but it pulls together in the end. The backing vocals are a nice touch. I'd give it a C+. Wouldve been higher if it werent for the first 2 minutes or so.
Freakshow (Wolves at the Gate Mix by Jared Leto) is a just a fun dance mix and nothing more. C
Sleep When I'm Dead (Julien K/Gerard Way Mix) is really dry... and not catchy at all. D
The Perfect Boy (Stump/Wentz Remix) isnt bad at all. I commend these guys for not deciding to just do another lame dance mix like the last two tracks. Instead they add a catchy guitar lick and some keyboards. Nothing spectacular but its still good. And I was thinking this could only end in pain of the worst sort. B
Exploding Head Syndrome (65 Days of Static Remix Medely). Why this isnt split into 4 tracks is confusing to me. Sure they segue into one another but theyre not actually connected. Still they put the other guys on this EP to shame. Great stuff here very mellow electronic stuff that builds up and comes down. For reference:
0:00 - 4:03 is The Only One (A-)
4:04 - 9:32 is Freakshow (B+)
9:33 - 16:06 is Sleep When I'm Dead (A)
16:07 - 21:26 is The Perfect Boy (A-)
All in all that makes for a solid A-. Only thing wrong with these is making them ONE FRIGGIN TRACK!!! :twisted:
Overall they shouldve just released the 65 Days of Static stuff as one 4 track EP and called the the Exploding Head Syndrome EP. And just for the record Ive never actually heard anything by 65DoS so its not like Im just being a fanboy here. Ive heard all of the others except Julian K though. 30StM are bland and boring, AFI are okay but repeditive, MCR is good on their last album, okay on their 2nd, and terrible on their first, and FOB are either really catchy or really annoying or both depending on the situation.
back to the EP itself, having listened to it by now:
ironically, the remix i enjoyed the most was the latter half of the mr "sing with a feeling" leto remix. the first half of it is dreadful but the latter half has some potential. too bad it's so fragmented.
all the rest of it are just very generic and although i'm not extremely annoyed by it, i find myself wondering why exactly it had to be made. there's already so much stuff like this out there already. this is stuff you hear on radio every day and which passes you by without leaving a trace.
i don't really hear anything EBM-ish on the freakshow remix. it might be something if it was EBM-ish but it's not. quite generic style imo.
'the perfect boy' obviously tries to be "close to me '08" remix or something with it's clever-ish beats, but it's a bit too self-conscious.
anyway, this is all something that you listen to once and then you find yourself listening to something else. because something else is simply much more interesting.
but this exploding syndrome thing: seriously, it just sounds like someone wanted to make fun on the band. what a dreadfully bad joke. :? possibly the most awful thing that was ever released under the cure's name? seriously. that completely aimless piano pling-plong stuff during the first minutes almost made me quit listening to it completely. i actually ahd to pause for a while, to get myself together, but the continuation proved to be just as dreadful. just plain dreadful, sorry.
(but at least the production sounds better than with the singles. hopefully that'll continue on the album...)
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 15, 2008, 21:32:09
Quote from: lostflower4 on September 15, 2008, 21:05:55
Quote from: melly on September 15, 2008, 12:02:40
after reading some of the above vitriolic comments re Jared leto, I thought to myself,"This guy must be a real bastard, a rotten person". I have never heard of him, (probably an age thing on my behalf) so, I "googled" him, and the band he is in. Okay, not my taste in music, but that's nothing. Why do some people detest him so much? Is it just because of his music, or he was an actor, or has he done something really vile, like bash a woman or hurt a kid? The kind of lip curling sneers directed at this guy is pretty harsh, if it's just because you don't like his music. Don't listen to it. Why tear the guy apart on a Cure forum? I don't like his remix, so I don't listen to it. You know, life can be simpler by being a little more accepting of others.
:smth011
I have to say that I don't get it either. I have a friend who is a big fan of 30 Seconds To Mars, so I've been familiar with their stuff for a while.
Ok... I can see that a lot of people don't like emo music, and I can't say I'm a big fan either. But they are NOT an emo band, so all this bashing seems really senseless to me! :smth017
I really wonder if anyone here has actually listened to their music? And I agree, what did this guy ever do to make everyone so angry? :?
yes i've actually heard enough of their music. i simply can't stand mr leto's so-called "singing": the way he tend to shout all their choruses. perhaps i should give him some credit for actually being a decent actor, because he can somehow act his way through being a singer. i'm just fed up with that kind of acting, sorry, for me it's just so completely pointless. and all their music is the same. pompous, filled with some enormous faked "feeling" all through. just totally hollow and uninteresting.
and the pompousness of their videos makes it even more laughable:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=HxNAVq2qYmU
or you can try any other youtube link i suppose.
and good for you if you like it. sorry if i don't and sorry if i also say it - or have a little bit of fun about it sometimes.
what's the big deal anyway? we shouldn't hurt some multi-millionaire's feelings? boohoo, poor little jared. :lol:
come on.
Well, you've obviously heard a lot more of their music than I have. That's curious in and of itself :lol:, but ok then...
Maybe I've heard only heard the ok stuff, I don't know. And I never said I was in love with their music. Personally, it's kind of "blah" for me. I just didn't really understand the extreme bashing of Mr. Leto or other artists in general, because when an artist produces/remixes something outside of their own material, it's often completely different anyway. So I never saw the big deal about all these "bad bands" working on the EP.
However, it did turn out to be complete shit in the end. However, I'll blame Robert. He obviously gave it his stamp of approval. :roll:
"The Only One" really needs to be buried and forgotten about. Yet I have the feeling it's going to be a standard in their live setlists for many years to come. :smth100
"The Only One" is the new "The End Of The World". early live versions of that sucked balls, now not so bad, but still it's no Open...
never said I liked the aforementioned bands' music, actually I said it wasn't my taste at all, which really means nothing. Mind you, I only listened to 3 of their songs on their website, but it didn't appeal to me personally. Obviously, there are a couple of people here that are very familiar with the music, but why listen to it if you don't like it? Strange... And to read that someone gets pleasure out of ripping this guy apart well sorry,I find that rather odd.. Whilst "everyone is entitled to their opinion" as we have been reminded so many times, I still don't think it is necessary to publicly lambast this guy. He has remixed one song. One song from the hundreds of Cure songs. Sure, it's not fabulous, but that is open to each individuals interpretation or personal taste. But, I can see this is going to go round and around in circles; just wanted to clear up that I didn't particularly like Letos' music,( what I heard anyway) but obviously, going by their web site, thousands do.
The EP is nothing spectacular but we didn't think it would be. I do agree it should have only been the 65days of static remixes.
At the moment I'm just listening to 'Please Come Home', a demo from the self titled album, it's a lovely track :smth020
I haven't yet heard the re-mixes so i'm not going to comment...
but interestingly a newspaper here in Vancouver, Canada has rated the EP 3 1/2 out of 4 stars:
http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/arts/story.html?id=be66c588-d665-4c7f-a747-9c3042741bbd
Was anybody already able to get it's hand on the second 15DOS remix of "the only one"?
iTunes Australia has it if you buy the whole "album" for $6.99....and it comes with an electronic booklet too...
i just bought it. will listen to it tonight.. sure it will be great.. the booklet is a pdf of the album artwork...
I just downloaded it from i-Tunes.
So while i'm listening to it for the first time .
The 'Exploding Head Syndrome' by 65 dos is good enough,for my ears at least.
All the other 4 singles from all those bands that i have never ever heard a song till now aren't so bad.I don't really know who wanted them for the remixes & i don't really care to be honest.'The Only One' (bonus version from 65 dos) is good.But maybe they shouldn't use Robert's voice too much.
I don't think that i will listen this e.p. too many times for the rest of my life.I just bought it cause it is THE CURE name upon it.& i'm a fan of them all over the years.So till next month i can still be dreaming...
Quote from: figurehead on September 25, 2008, 02:22:05I don't think that i will listen this e.p. too many times for the rest of my life.I just bought it cause it is THE CURE name upon it.
I can't help but agreeing with this!! :lol:
Actually I gotta admit I really enjoyed my first listening to this EP! I'm really not a big fan of remixes of any kind (and I never enjoyed the Mixed Up album much). But this time, after listening to the original 4 singles over the summer, it was kinda exciting to listen to new (remixed) versions of these songs for the first time. Of course, as usual with remixes, some are a bit dodgy (too techno "dance-y" for my taste), but it was fun to listen to.
Then again, as I said above, I'm not sure if I will play it very often.
Well in a weird twist of fate, it turned up that i like Hypnagogic States.
I think every mix is vastly superior to the original.
And i discovered 65 days of static - awesome band.
All in all, this EP really brought back the faith in the new Cure songs!
:smth023 :smth023
Quote from: Janko on October 06, 2008, 16:34:06
Well in a weird twist of fate, it turned up that i like Hypnagogic States.
I think every mix is vastly superior to the original.
And i discovered 65 days of static - awesome band.
All in all, this EP really brought back the faith in the new Cure songs!
:smth023 :smth023
:shock:
Well, it looks like I'm gonna have to listen to that 65OS remix in its entirety, after all...
Quote from: revolt on October 06, 2008, 16:53:45
Quote from: Janko on October 06, 2008, 16:34:06
And i discovered 65 days of static - awesome band.
Well, it looks like I'm gonna have to listen to that 65OS remix in its entirety, after all...
well i have to say i guess i'm happy if someone ended up finding 65dos thanks to this release - BUT if somebody asked me about 65dos, wanting to get to know that band, asking some recommendations etc., then personally i would make sure never to recommend that 'exploding head' remix but make sure it would be kept buried somewhere where the sun doesn't shine... :x
i'm just still having really
really hard time to believe that 65dos are indeed responsible for that silly structureless mess...