The Cure vs. U2

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revolt

Robert has posted a couple of messages on the official site, concerning all this MTV show business. First he posted the following:


HEY! WE COULD BE 'BEST HEADLINER' SAYS MTV! WORTH A VOTE?

IF NOT PERHAPS CAST ONE FOR JONAS BROTHERS OR LIL WAYNE AS 'BEST ACT EVER'? OR MAYBE THE PUSSYCAT DOLLS OR U2?


And then, as a comment to the above, he wrote:

NOT SURE WHY I PICKED ON THESE 4...
NOT ENOUGH TIME TO TYPE IN THE REST OF THE LIST MAYBE?!!



Well, I don't know about the other 3, but U2 have always been a sort of "obsession" of Robert's, in a way, in that across the years he has frequently mentioned them as sort of example of successfull rock band that would be the opposite of what The Cure means. He has never liked U2 but apparently he doesn't seem to be able to forget them altogether.

Now, as a fan of both bands, I have to say that in the 90's U2 were actually fairly better than The Cure, because they managed to renew their music and at the same time release albums that in quality terms could be considered among their best. I think The Cure have failed on both these accounts, so maybe there is something of an envy feeling in Robert...

Anyway, since in the 2000's U2 really went downhill from an artistical point of view, nowadays The Cure probably have nothing to be envious about. Because, even if the band has not been able to release any great record in this millenium, at least, on general terms, it can be said that they have been somewhat improving since "Wild Mood Swings".

With both bands having new albums to be released soon (U2's was once supposed to be released this year, I think, but it seems to have been delayed), it will be interesting to check which band is in better form right now...

bluewater

Life's too short to listen to lossy music

Lady

I'm a fan of both , too.

I must confess I've never thought about what band was more or less good than the other one...they're simply too different for making any sort of comparison, Bono and Robert have two different approaches to the music, to the success and especially to the live shows, but both of them can be great and emotional in their own way.

So I agree that The Cure don't have anything to envy to U2 (and viceversa! :)), but honestly I think that U2's new album will be more successful than The Cure's new one, not because of the quality, but just because they have a wider audience. ;)
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revolt

Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 11:23:24
U2 can go home  :-D

It's a Christian band you're rejecting there. So maybe, as poet William Blake once said about poet John Milton, you are actually "of the Devil's party without knowing it."  :twisted:

revolt

Quote from: Lady on September 10, 2008, 11:24:10
I must confess I've never thought about what band was more or less good than the other one...they're simply too different for making any sort of comparison,

Yes, they are very different, but one can always try and compare them. At least Robert seems to agree with me in this respect.  ;) But anyway, as regards the new albums from both bands, I was thinking mainly of comparing them with their previous albums, so that we could conclude if the bands were or not in good form. Will "4:13 Dream" make us forget "The Cure"? Will U2's new album make us forget those 2 albums with neverending titles? I hope so, in both cases.


Quote from: Lady on September 10, 2008, 11:24:10
but honestly I think that U2's new album will be more successful than The Cure's new one, not because of the quality, but just because they have a wider audience. ;)

Well, you're right there. But from reading Bono's comments on the forthcoming album, I also get the impression that for the first time in the 2000's U2 have been artistically ambitious, once again. So, at least until U2 release a single that sounds not-too-impressive to my ears, right now I actually have greater expectations for U2 than for The Cure. We'll have to wait and see.

bluewater

Quote from: revolt on September 10, 2008, 11:55:14
Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 11:23:24
U2 can go home  :-D

It's a Christian band you're rejecting there. So maybe, as poet William Blake once said about poet John Milton, you are actually "of the Devil's party without knowing it."  :twisted:

Yeah I could go to that party, just as long as they keep the HELL out of my bedroom.
Life's too short to listen to lossy music

revolt

Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 14:48:49
Quote from: revolt on September 10, 2008, 11:55:14
Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 11:23:24
U2 can go home  :-D

It's a Christian band you're rejecting there. So maybe, as poet William Blake once said about poet John Milton, you are actually "of the Devil's party without knowing it."  :twisted:

Yeah I could go to that party, just as long as they keep the HELL out of my bedroom.

You know, some ambient electronic stuff (the kind of music you say you enjoy listening now) is known to have satanical or otherwise "occult" messages embedded in it. You could actually be receiving those on a subconscious level, without noticing it.

I would say you would probably be much safer with The Cure, but then that is your choice, not mine.  :-D

AdamClayton

Quote from: revolt on September 10, 2008, 11:55:14
Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 11:23:24
U2 can go home  :-D

It's a Christian band you're rejecting there. So maybe, as poet William Blake once said about poet John Milton, you are actually "of the Devil's party without knowing it."  :twisted:

They are not a Christian band at all, just a band with three Christian members!

And guess the odd one out;)

punx_chix

f*ck U2. f*ck boner and the edge. what kind of shit names are those anyway. and whats wrong with WMS!?! Jupiter crash is one of my favorites!


....I'm half joking but man i hate U2, really shouldn't be compared.....
...and i run around hysterical
in dead persistent gloom...

revolt

Quote from: AdamClayton on September 10, 2008, 18:44:35
Quote from: revolt on September 10, 2008, 11:55:14
Quote from: bluewater on September 10, 2008, 11:23:24
U2 can go home  :-D

It's a Christian band you're rejecting there. So maybe, as poet William Blake once said about poet John Milton, you are actually "of the Devil's party without knowing it."  :twisted:

They are not a Christian band at all, just a band with three Christian members!

And guess the odd one out;)


Yeah, the odd one out is "you". But as for U2 not being a Christian band, I'll leave here a few lyrical examples that prove otherwise:


GLORIA (1981)

I try to sing this song
I...I try to stand up
But I can't find my feet
I try, I try to speak up
But only in you I'm complete

Gloria...in te domine
Gloria...exultate
Gloria...Gloria
Oh Lord, loosen my lips

I try to sing this song
I...I try to get in
But I can't find the door
The door is open
You're standing there
You let me in

Gloria...in te domine
Gloria...exultate
Oh Lord, if I had anything
Anything at all
I'd give it to you
I'd give it to you

Gloria...Gloria...


WITH A SHOUT (JERUSALEM) (1981)

Oh, and where do we go
Where do we go from here
Where to go
To the side of a hill
Blood was spilt
We were still looking
At each other

Oh, we're goin' back there
Jerusalem Jerusalem

Shout, shout
With a shout, shout it out
Shout...shout it out...

I wanna go
To the foot of the messiah
To the foot of he who made me see
To the side of a hill
Where we were still
We were filled
With our love

We're gonna be there again
Jerusalem Jerusalem

Shout, shout
With a shout
Shout...
With a shout



"40" (1983)

(I waited patiently for the Lord
He inclined and heard my cry.
He brought me right out of the pit,
out of my miry clay.)
I will sing a new song,
How long to sing this song?
He set my feet upon a rock,
and made my footsteps heard.
Many will see,
Many will see and fear.
I will sing, sing a new song.
How long to sing this song?

(Note: the first 4 verses are not usually included in U2's lyrics, but could be said to be implicit, since all the lyrics in this song are taken from a psalm the bible).


M.L.K. (1984)

Sleep
Sleep tonight
And may your dreams
Be realized
If the thunder cloud
Passes rain
So let it rain
Rain down him
So let it be
So let it be

Sleep
Sleep tonight
And may your dreams
Be realized
If the thundercloud
Passes rain
So let it rain
Let it rain
Rain on him


(Note: this a subtle one, but since M.L.K. stands for reverend Martin Luther King, to whom the song is dedicated, you could take your conclusions from the line "And may your dreams Be realized"... After all, in his famous "I have a dream" speech, Luther King said: "I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.")


I STILL HAVEN'T FOUND WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR (1987)


I have climbed highest mountain
I have run through the fields
Only to be with you
Only to be with you

I have run
I have crawled
I have scaled these city walls
These city walls
Only to be with you

But I still haven't found what I'm looking for
But I still haven't found what I'm looking for

I have kissed honey lips
Felt the healing in her fingertips
It burned like fire
This burning desire

I have spoke with the tongue of angels
I have held the hand of a devil
It was warm in the night
I was cold as a stone

But I still haven't found what I'm looking for
But I still haven't found what I'm looking for

I believe in the kingdom come
Then all the colors will bleed into one
Bleed into one
Well yes I'm still running

You broke the bonds and you
Loosed the chains
Carried the cross
Of my shame
Of my shame
You know I believed it

But I still haven't found what I'm looking for
But I still haven't found what I'm looking for
But I still haven't found what I'm looking for
But I still haven't found what I'm looking for...


THE WANDERER (1993)

I went out walking
Through streets paved with gold
Lifted some stones
Saw the skin and bones
Of a city without a soul
I went out walking
Under an atomic sky
Where the ground won't turn
And the rain it burns
Like the tears when I said goodbye

Yeah I went with nothing
Nothing but the thought of you
I went wandering

I went drifting
Through the capitals of tin
Where men can't walk
Or freely talk
And sons turn their fathers in
I stopped outside a church house
Where the citizens like to sit
They say they want the kingdom
But they don't want God in it

I went out riding
Down that old eight lane
I passed by a thousand signs
Looking for my own name

I went with nothing
But the thought you'd be there too
Looking for you

I went out there
In search of experience
To taste and to touch
And to feel as much
As a man can
Before he repents

I went out searching
Looking for one good man
A spirit who would not bend or break
Who would sit at his father's right hand
I went out walking
With a bible and a gun
The word of God lay heavy on my heart
I was sure I was the one
Now Jesus, don't you wait up
Jesus, I'll be home soon
Yeah I went out for the papers
Told her I'd be back by noon

Yeah I left with nothing
But the thought you'd be there too
Looking for you

Yeah I left with nothing
Nothing but the thought of you
I went wandering


IF GOD WILL SEND HIS ANGELS (1997)

Nobody else here baby
No one here to blame
No one to point the finger
It's just you and me and the rain

Nobody made you do it
No one put words in your mouth
Nobody here taking orders
When love took a train heading south

It's the blind leading the blond
It's the stuff, it's the stuff of country songs

Hey if God will send his angels
And if God will send a sign
And if God will send his angels
Would everything be alright

God has got his phone off the hook, babe
Would he even pick up if he could
It's been a while since we saw that child
Hanging 'round this neighbourhood
You see his mother dealing in a doorway
See Father Christmas with a begging bowl
Jesus sister's eyes are a blister
The High Street never looked so low

It's the blind leading the blond
It's the cops collecting for the cons
So where is the hope and where is the faith
And the love...what's that you say to me
Does love...light up your Christmas Tree
The next minute you're blowing a fuse
And the cartoon network turns into the news

If God will send his angels
And if God will send a sign
And if God will send his angels
Where do we go
Where do we go

Jesus never let me down
You know Jesus used to show me the score
Then they put Jesus in show business
Now it's hard to get in the door

It's the stuff, it's the stuff of country songs
But I guess it was something to go on

If God will send his angels
I sure could use them here right now
Well if God would send his angels
Where do we go

I don't want to lie
(Where do we go)
I don't want to have a feel for the song
And I want to love, and I...
(Where do we go)
And I want to feel alone


WAKE UP DEAD MAN (1987)

Jesus, Jesus help me
I'm alone in this world
And a fucked up world it is too
Tell me, tell me the story
The one about eternity
And the way it's all gonna be

Wake up, wake up dead man
Wake up, wake up dead man

Jesus, I'm waiting here boss
I know you're looking out for us
But maybe your hands aren't free
Your father, He made the world in seven
He's in charge of heaven
Will you put in a word in for me

Wake up, wake up dead man
Wake up, wake up dead man

Listen to your words they'll tell you what to do
Listen over the rhythm that's confusing you
Listen to the reed in the saxophone
Listen over the hum of the radio
Listen over sounds of blades in rotation
Listen through the traffic and circulation
Listen as hope and peace try to rhyme
Listen over marching bands playing out their time

Wake up, wake up dead man
Wake up, wake up dead man

Jesus, were you just around the corner
Did You think to try and warn her
Or are you working on something new
If there's an order in all of this disorder
Is it like a tape recorder
Can we rewind it just once more

Wake up, wake up dead man
Wake up, wake up dead man
Wake up, wake up dead man


YAHWEH (2004)

Take these shoes
Click clacking down some dead end street
Take these shoes
And make them fit
Take this shirt
Polyester white trash made in nowhere
Take this shirt
And make it clean, clean
Take this soul
Stranded in some skin and bones
Take this soul
And make it sing

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born
Yahweh, Yahweh
Still I'm waiting for the dawn

Take these hands
Teach them what to carry
Take these hands
Don't make a fist
Take this mouth
So quick to criticise
Take this mouth
Give it a kiss

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born
Yahweh, Yahweh
Still I'm waiting for the dawn

Still waiting for the dawn, the sun is coming up
The sun is coming up on the ocean
This love is like a drop in the ocean
This love is like a drop in the ocean

Yahweh, Yahweh
Always pain before a child is born
Yahweh, tell me now
Why the dark before the dawn?

Take this city
A city should be shining on a hill
Take this city
If it be your will
What no man can own, no man can take
Take this heart
Take this heart
Take this heart
And make it break




I rest my case.


slit-the-cats-like-cheese

I don't understand it why people talk about it so much: christian band, not a christian band, yes, no, yes...
Why not anybody to discuss u2 music instead? :?:
to prove it U2 is chritian band is not same to prove it is good music or it is bad music. So what is there to prove it because after to prove it you still win nothing and we still learn nothing about u2's music?

i think People talk about this christian and non-christian bla-bla so much only because it is easy to debating this kind of thing, easy to say yes and no, this is right and this wrong. is easy to make a list of it. But is not very interesting debating it. personally I think is complet boring debating because nobody say anything about music.
like song 'Gloria': is a great song musicaly. early version they play in live shows is very good and has great power in the music.
Even if people not like it it's some christian aspect in lyrics, people cannot say it is bad song.

i was big fan of u2's music but all this christian things I don't really share. but it not bother me because I listen to music and not care is it is christian or not-christian.

thanks.



revolt

Quote from: slit-the-cats-like-cheese on September 11, 2008, 11:45:19
I don't understand it why people talk about it so much: christian band, not a christian band, yes, no, yes...
Why not anybody to discuss u2 music instead? :?:
to prove it U2 is chritian band is not same to prove it is good music or it is bad music.

i think People talk about this christian and non-christian bla-bla so much only because it is easy to debating this kind of thing, easy to say yes and no, this is right and this wrong. is easy to make a list of it. But is not very interesting debating it. personally I think is complet boring debating because nobody say anything about music.
like song 'Gloria': is a great song musicaly. early version they play in live shows is very good and has great power in the music.
Even if people not like it it's some christian aspect in lyrics, people cannot say it is bad song.

i was big fan of u2's music but all this christian things I don't really share. but it not bother me because I listen to music and not care is it is christian or not-christian.

thanks.





Well, we could discuss anything really, U2's music has a lot that we could get into on many levels, but since this is the CURE NEWS part of the forum, we're already going off-topic, I think...

I only mentioned U2 are a Christian band as a sort of a joke directed at Bluewater, since he/she has declared somewhere else on this forum that he/she is a Christian. Then AdamClayton contested my claim and I thought that it would be a good idea to post here some proof of what I was talking about. That's just it, nothing more.

revolt

Quote from: punx_chix on September 10, 2008, 21:41:53
and whats wrong with WMS!?!

Ha ha, no way you'll get me started on that one...  :-D


Quote from: punx_chix on September 10, 2008, 21:41:53
Jupiter crash is one of my favorites!


Also mine. But one song doesn't make an album, does it?

Lady

Anyway U2 seem to be "inspired" by The Cure's behaviour in these days...they have postponed the new album again!!!! :-D
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revolt

Quote from: Lady on September 11, 2008, 15:55:46
Anyway U2 seem to be "inspired" by The Cure's behaviour in these days...they have postponed the new album again!!!! :-D

I hope The Cure will forgive me for promoting U2 on this forum, but let me say this: while we wait for the next postponement, we can always listen to something like this (one of the most beautiful things ever sang by Bono, this one almost has me crying when I hear it):

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=-fQGQWTlzmw