Simon Gallup no longer in The Cure? (False)

Started by dsanchez, August 14, 2021, 22:43:22

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SueC

I've no idea how to embed a Twitter link - maybe it embeds itself, but:

https://twitter.com/EdVGallup/status/1429704756650553347

QuoteYes, very frustrating. So is being inundated with messages of speculation said with such vindication yet not having an ounce of truth. Unfortunately I have been dragged into all this by default due to a certain Facebook post. I've ignored 99% of it.

...just thought I'd draw people's attention to this speck of sanity in all this BS. When one sees a speck of sanity these days, one is thoroughly impressed.  :smth023  Just as I was and am thoroughly unimpressed with the fans who seemed to think they were entitled to explanations. Just because you really like someone's songs, doesn't give you the right to a front seat to anyone's personal conflicts they may have to sort out, which all of us humans periodically have to sort out, and hopefully while being afforded some privacy and space in which to do it, and not this incessant, childish sticky-beaking and pestering all over social media on this topic.

If a couple you know have a tiff at a party, do you all go hanging out at their front door afterwards, knocking and knocking and asking what it was all about and feeling entitled to explanations about their private lives? Do you natter to each other about the situation and speculate endlessly? Or do you accept that all of us have stuff to sort out, and a right to do that without being badgered by others, even if others were aware there seemed to be a problem? Can you back off respectfully, and let people be human, and get on with your own business, and understand that this isn't actually about you, but about being tactful and respectful to fellow humans?

There's a nice saying I'm going to translate into English: "Always sweep your own doorstep, not other people's." Plenty to do on our own doorsteps, and let's let other people tend to theirs.
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sandgrounder

Like others I want to know whether Simon is still a member of The Cure or not? I am not interested in the reasons why he (may have) left the band. I certainly wouldn't harrass his children, former & present band members etc seeking an answer. Similarly I wouldn't ask someone "Why did your mother & father separate"?

Let's wait for an official statement from an official source. In the meantime listen to the lyrics of the track "End".

Ms_Mephistopheles

Quote from: sandgrounder on August 26, 2021, 13:47:10Let's wait for an official statement from an official source.

It seems unlikely that there will be any official communication on this now. I decided to just take SG at his word and have removed them from social media feeds. Otherwise, this remains an unanswered question that hangs around endlessly. It was better in the days when they could just have a quick punch-up in a bar and some time apart, without anyone being any the wiser.

This is not going to be a popular opinion but dropping that post into the social media sphere was not kind. It was such a perfunctory "ta rah" to dear friends and loyal followers. The allusion to "betrayal" just muddied the waters further. And although other members chimed in on "Cure fans" not having a sense of humour, it was a poor reading of the room.

Human is what they are though. I really disliked how some people began contacting SG's family for clarification. They were probably none the wiser, and it put them in a corner if they were. But bless them, most people who follow the band seemed more concerned that the friendships within it have fractured.

It will be incredibly sad if they choose to dissipate quietly, particularly under these circumstances, but perhaps it is for the best.

Who knows?!

SueC

Very nice that you've popped in, @Ms_Mephistopheles - I've missed your thoughtful posts.  :cool
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Ms_Mephistopheles

Hello Sue. I am more of a lurker. I pop in reasonably regularly, but today I felt impassioned and added my thoughts for whatever that is actually worth XD

SueC

Quote from: Ms_Mephistopheles on August 28, 2021, 00:49:24...today I felt impassioned and added my thoughts for whatever that is actually worth XD

If I didn't have emotions I'd not bother to make a single post (and I'd never have bothered with journalling) - I'd probably just sit in a corner making robot sounds and looking for a powerpoint.  :winking_tongue  I know that certain schools of Greek philosophy considered reason superior and emotion wimpy and useless, but they work best hand in hand, informing each other. Emotions motivate us - hopefully to have a good think!  :)

Not necessarily to arrive at exactly the same conclusions, since we're not sheep!  :smth023

Apologies to actual baa-baa sheep!

Anyone else think meta discussions are far more fun than just case studies? (Especially if the case studies are highly opaque? :winking_tongue)
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Ulrich

Quote from: Ms_Mephistopheles on August 27, 2021, 23:21:49It was better in the days when they could just have a quick punch-up in a bar...

Ha ha, made me laugh, that one!  :lol:

Quote from: Ms_Mephistopheles on August 27, 2021, 23:21:49This is not going to be a popular opinion but dropping that post into the social media sphere was not kind.

Why should this be "unpopular"? I tend to agree. It's never a good idea to "drop" such news in public without any real background (or without talking to the other members before).
It doesn't touch me at all...

Ms_Mephistopheles

Quote from: Ulrich on August 28, 2021, 12:22:16Why should this be "unpopular"?

I suppose it is because it never feels good to feel disappointed in your heroes. But, when you get over the sense of disloyalty, it is actually just acceptance of their humanity and their capacity to make mistakes like anyone else, followed swiftly by the realisation that you still love them anyway 😉

So far as interpersonal relations go, never let it be said that the passion has died in The Cure! Silly buggers! 😅

Ulrich

Quote from: Ms_Mephistopheles on August 28, 2021, 17:02:53...when you get over the sense of disloyalty, it is actually just acceptance of their humanity and their capacity to make mistakes like anyone else

Wise words! :smth023
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MeltingMan

Since nothing (anymore) gets out, but Roger and Pearl have already made certain hints, each in his / her way, I no longer doubt the "rumor". However, it is up to others to decide whether or not to leave the question mark behind the topic. If there's one thing I've learned, had to learn, in the forum, it's the fact that it's not good to have too high an opinion of The Cure and the fans. This inevitably leads to disappointment, as in this case. However, it is not "the end". After all, my opinion is still high enough that I don't want to face it. Not now, anyway. I beg your forbearance if I should have got too close to one or the other.
Notre pensée opère par désir. Une idée nous séduit, une autre nous répugne.

(La science de l'amour, Éd. 1911, p. 93.)

SueC

Quote from: Ulrich on August 19, 2021, 09:37:09For anyone interested in speculation about what happened between Saturday & Tuesday, look here (but be warned, it's mainly for people with insomnia):
http://curefans.com/index.php?topic=9465.0

Now with aliens!  :angel

And looking for more contributors, because Ulrich and I can't do all the heavy lifting around here! :P
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Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on August 29, 2021, 10:25:01Since nothing (anymore) gets out, but Roger and Pearl have already made certain hints, each in his / her way, I no longer doubt the "rumor".

Please, let's not forget that one of the persons mentioned has been out of the band for a number of years! Seemed just like "sour grapes" to me.
It doesn't touch me at all...

Ms_Mephistopheles

Quote from: Ulrich on August 29, 2021, 09:56:40
Quote from: Ms_Mephistopheles on August 28, 2021, 17:02:53...when you get over the sense of disloyalty, it is actually just acceptance of their humanity and their capacity to make mistakes like anyone else

Wise words! :smth023

Well, not necessarily wise, but it's easy to forget though, isn't it?

It seems out of character for SG to have a public outburst, but for a start, he's been through the unimaginable personally during the last couple of years, and he's still a Dad with all that entails under the circumstances. The basic information which we've been privy to does put things into some perspective.

SueC

I honestly don't know how anyone expects public figures to be more perfect than we are, or less human. Is there anyone here who's not done really stupid things? Or who's not done things on impulse that they've regretted on reflection, including in public?

There's a difference between people doing stupid, damaging things constantly and without reflection and improvement and giving a damn about others (e.g. Trump), and people doing the odd unwise/regrettable thing because they're human, which they will likely be sufficiently critical of themselves in retrospect to absolve anyone else of the necessity to be critical on their behalf...
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Matti

Good news everyone - seems like everything has been sorted out again.
I've been waiting for the lies to end