Started by SueC, January 17, 2020, 02:11:49
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Quote from: Matti on January 17, 2020, 10:10:431) There's several ways to slide on a fretted guitar: for instance you can bend a string upwards by pulling it towards its neighbour string. Depending on finger position, string tension, and guitar, that bending can pitch the note up to quart. The second way is to use a vibrato that allows you to slightly move the bridge position while playing. And finally, you can also use a bottleneck or metal slide which you can move freely all over the strings, working as a "virtual" and highly mobile fret.
QuotePlaying bass, you might most probably use a fretless bass which kind of combines the features of a bass guitar and an upright double bass.
Quote2) I think that Simon is just the band's stage animal, and there's no technical reasons for doing what he does. Have you ever seen Hendrix playing? Or Jimmy Page? They seem to do all kinds of things with their instruments while they perform, but I doubt this has a substantial influence on their sound.
Quote3) That's because on the album version of Plainsong we hear a Fender Bass VI playing the lead part. Now that's an interesting instrument to start with: originally introduced in the early sixties to provide guitarists with a bass option that doesn't require too much of adaption (standard tuning one octave below guitar, relatively short scale), it got rarely used as a proper bass (John Entwistle of The Who being the most prominent exception) and was almost forgotten. If it hadn't been for The Cure (and New Order, from whom allegedly Robert's first Bass VI had been nicked), probably no-one would remember this thing. Actually, the Bass VI is an instrument where "the electric bass and the electric guitar overlap" quite literally. When played live, Simon is doing the lead part on his standard bass, playing it one octave below the original melody, which also adds to the difference in sound. On some occasions, the part has been doubled: Simon on standard bass, Perry on Bass VI. You can hear it on the recordings from Paris 1996 and Toronto 2004 quite nicely.
QuoteOther than that, thank you for starting this thread I might come up with some questions myself...
QuoteIf I tried Option 1 on my violin (unnecessary as there are no frets), I'd be forever re-tuning it and that would drive me up the wall. Then again, the wooden pegs for the rough tuning have a tendency to slip significantly under excessive tension; perhaps the equivalents on guitars are a little more solidly engineered?
Quoteit's a soundless process, or is it because they just change guitars and then someone out the back re-tunes it before its next use?
Quoteif my violin bridge moved a millimetre I'd be having to tune everything back up from scratch!
QuoteSo, what are sliding guitars? (And are there any non-bass guitars that don't have any frets on their fingerboards?)
QuoteI'll have a listen for the doubled-up versions - we've got Paris.
QuoteI can't visually tell a 6-string bass from a "normal" electric guitar - any pointers?
Quote from: Matti on January 17, 2020, 22:12:36That's gonna be fun, there's a lot of interesting info in what you write. As you spotted, I'm a guitar player (electric and acoustic), and I used to play some bass (standard as well as Bass VI).
Quote from: undefinedWell, for guitars it depends on the machine heads' quality. There are special locking tuners available that provide extra string fixation to avoid tuning problems. With decent tuners installed, you can (or at least I can) play a guitar for quite a while without having to re-tune.
Quote from: undefinedBut as you suppose, it all depends on how you play, and what instrument you're using. The same goes for bendings. As I wrote, some players will bend their strings up a fourth, whereas I don't get past a minor third. After all we're talking about steel strings - and physical pain.
QuoteRe-tuning btw is nothing unusual in rock shows I think. Again, you're on the right track:Quote from: undefinedit's a soundless process, or is it because they just change guitars and then someone out the back re-tunes it before its next use?Players can do it themselves using tuning devices on their pedalboard (which usually mute the signal), or just delegate it to the stage hands.
Quote from: undefinedit's a soundless process, or is it because they just change guitars and then someone out the back re-tunes it before its next use?
QuoteWell, vibrato bridges are constructed in a way that they ideally retain their original position when you don't touch them.
QuoteYou kinda answered each question by asking the other Of course you can slide on any guitar, but there's a special kind of slide guitars that are played while sitting in front of them, or having them on your lap, with a rather high string action. These have indeed no real frets, but they are printed on the fingerboards as orientation points.
QuoteJust to be sure, I didn't mean the official Paris album, but a bootleg recording from the Swing Tour. I think it's up on YouTube, and it's an excellent soundboard recording, well worth a listen.
QuoteYou're not alone (telling 6-string bass from "normal" guitar), it's difficult, unless you exactly know what instruments the players use. There's two main differences: scale length, and string dimensions. But that's really hard to spot from a video, or someone who's standing on a stage. I remember watching Show over and over again, and wondering how the f**k Robert managed to play those notes for, say, Pictures of You way above the 12th fret... "That surely should sound different!?"
QuoteAs for the G string jokes, I'm sure they're familiar to guitarists as well. Also, keep an eye on the number of "R"s in the above-mentioned vibrato.
QuoteI've never met someone who plays violin. I loved that identity crisis remark about violas. And for your "attacking style with the bow", isn't that what the world loves about Apocalyptica?