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Title: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 16, 2008, 12:07:07
Does anyone know what the title 'Music for Dreams' really refers to? I seem to remember Robert having mentioned once in an interview that it was the title for a second The Glove album, that he and Steve Severin actually managed to record but never released (the tapes supposedly were with Severin). However I don't have that interview with me nowadays and memory could be playing tricks on me.

My doubts also come from the fact that in http://thecure.8m.com/info.html it is mentioned that 'Music for Dreams' "is said to be an instrumental/solo album that Robert has done/will do".
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Descent on July 16, 2008, 12:55:41
Robert talked about this second Glove album (that stayed unfinished) in 1985. He said a possible title for it was "Music For Dreams" as the songs were instrumentals. Later, that title was used here and there as a working title (I remember reading about an instrumental album after Disintegration). The same way, he had "Wild Mood Swings" as a working title for years for a solo album too. I guess he had a list of titles but none could be revelant until an actual release.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 23, 2008, 10:56:24
Here is what I found at http://ekwimmer.blogspot.com/2007/10/10-questions-with-steven-severin.html

Question: "One of my favorite records of all time is Blue Sunshine by The Glove, did you ever consider another album with Robert Smith and Jeanette Landray?"

Severin answer: "Robert and I discussed "Glove 2" last year when we remastered the original album and the extra disc. Robert was "not allowed" to sing on Blue Sunshine ~ that's why we asked Landray. If "Glove 2" happens it would be just the 2 of us as God/The Devil intended".


So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.


Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Lostflowerboy on July 23, 2008, 12:59:58
A second Glove album with Robert singing would be awesome.
Oh, could somebody mash up Roberts singing of the bonus disc with the original album (without the female vocals)? That would make my day. :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 23, 2008, 14:16:35
A second Glove album with Robert singing would be awesome.
Oh, could somebody mash up Roberts singing of the bonus disc with the original album (without the female vocals)? That would make my day. :smth023

What's wrong with Jeanette Landray's vocals? The issue here is, if those songs had been released with Robert singing they would probably sound too much like the Cure... And the purpose of all this side project thing was to do something that would sound different from both The Cure and The Banshees.
Anyway, even if I really like the songs Jeanette sings, my favourite tracks from that album are instrumentals. 'Relax', for example, is really massive and it was actually used by The Cure as an intro to their shows, in the 1985-1986 period, if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: KingOfSomeIsland on July 23, 2008, 22:54:34
'Relax', for example, is really massive and it was actually used by The Cure as an intro to their shows, in the 1985-1986 period, if I'm not mistaken.

Yup ;) In fact I think it even played on In Orange
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 08:29:01
I think these songs still don't sound like The Cure if Robert sings them (like on the bonus disk). In terms of songwriting and instrumentation they're far away from everything released under the name The Cure.
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 08:30:05
But I agree about "Relax": Great song, "A blues in a drag" too. :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Descent on July 24, 2008, 11:38:36
So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.

My guess is that the extras on Blue Sunshine remaster (Opened The Box (A Waltz), the Tightrope, And All Around Us The Mermaids Sang, Holiday 80) were actually those instrumentals (Glove2's unfinished project) Robert Smith talked about in 1985. Basically just demos to which vocals were added for some of them.

Before that remaster came out two years ago, Robert and Steve met and thought "maybe one day again" because of the nostalgia. But it's unlikely to happen for real I think.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 24, 2008, 11:47:37
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.

Legal matters!? Can you explain that? Because Robert does sing in 2 songs of the album ('Mr. Alphabet Says' and 'Perfect Murder').
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 24, 2008, 11:55:41
So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.

My guess is that the extras on Blue Sunshine remaster (Opened The Box (A Waltz), the Tightrope, And All Around Us The Mermaids Sang, Holiday 80) were actually those instrumentals (Glove2's unfinished project) Robert Smith talked about in 1985. Basically just demos to which vocals were added for some of them.

Before that remaster came out two years ago, Robert and Steve met and thought "maybe one day again" because of the nostalgia. But it's unlikely to happen for real I think.


Well, 'The Tightrope' actually already appeared in the un-remastered CD version of the album that was available in the 90's... Also 'Mouth to Mouth' and an alternate version of 'Like an Animal'. These were the only 3 extra-tracks, which makes me think that 'Tightrope' comes from the 'Blue Sunshine' sessions, not from the second album...
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Descent on July 24, 2008, 12:02:41
You're right about the Tightrope. I just copied and pasted the bonus list without checking.  :? So all I said applies to the other 3 demos which are quite minimal (They're just sketches...)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: revolt on July 24, 2008, 15:48:58
I think these songs still don't sound like The Cure if Robert sings them (like on the bonus disk). In terms of songwriting and instrumentation they're far away from everything released under the name The Cure.
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.

Here is what is written at http://www.picturesofyou.us/siouxsie/SIOUX-thefilephasetwoissuefourfrontcover.htm :

"One point Robert did make clear was that he didn’t want to sing because he feared that the overall sound of the songs would bear to much similarity to those he recorded with The Cure."

I have found this kind of comment in other articles and I'm pretty sure there must be an interview somewhere with the exact words Robert has said on this matter...
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 20:47:54
The instrumental of "All around us the mermaids sing" called "Tormented" was available at Severins mp3.com page some years ago. Think he called it a leftover from the Blue Sunshine-Sessions.

Concerning the legal matters: Robert was allowed to sing on only two songs of the project by Chris Parry. The whole story is printed in the booklet of the Deluxe Version.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: robmead on August 19, 2012, 21:32:52
Music For Dreams is an "album" of 14 instrumental songs, they are played as warm ups before Cure shows. Robert said they are not good enough to be officially released but, they may be made available online.
 Well, they are already available online, I have them !


Tracklist:
Swing
Off To Sleep
Boon
HK
Bastard
T-8
Porl's
Miss van Gogh
Now's The Time
T-7
Old Scotland
Dark Affair
Frog Fish
Swing 2
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on August 19, 2012, 21:52:29
Well, they are already available online, I have them !
can you share the link? thanks  :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: robmead on August 19, 2012, 21:56:53
I'll upload them to 4Shared tonight sometime and post the links here.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: robmead on August 19, 2012, 22:14:05
Here you go:

http://www.4shared.com/dir/sIuTD7VX/MUSIC_FOR_DREAMS_-_THE_CURE.html (http://www.4shared.com/dir/sIuTD7VX/MUSIC_FOR_DREAMS_-_THE_CURE.html)

Download link is to the far right of each song.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on August 19, 2012, 22:27:47
Thanks again :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: curedtc on August 19, 2012, 23:05:45
When where they used?
This is awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: boneheadhaggar on August 19, 2012, 23:45:40
thanks a lot for sharing these
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: johndracul on August 20, 2012, 06:28:31
Where can we download these demos Music for Dreams?

Thanks



Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: AndrewV127 on August 20, 2012, 14:10:36
Thanks for posting these!

I've never heard of the 'Music for Dreams' concept before, but all of these sound like Demo's for Wish - in fact a couple of these appeared on the lost Wishes cassette and 'H-K' is clearly a demo for A Foolish Arrangement. It's definitely the Wish line-up too, so while these songs may have been played for years before, 1990-1992 is when they were recorded.

I've got a feeling this may have spoilt the second disc of the Wish remaster haha.   

 :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on August 20, 2012, 14:18:05
Where can we download these demos Music for Dreams?

four posts above :)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: johndracul on August 20, 2012, 15:39:34
Wow excellent

Thanks for sharing these jewels.

Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: jerome on August 21, 2012, 09:56:32
Hello,
I don't know why but I can not download Music For Dreams?
I am on 4shared but...
Somebody can help me?
Thanks in advance
Jerome
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: AndrewV127 on August 21, 2012, 10:27:45
For those having trouble downloading the songs, you may have to register with 4shared first. It only takes a few moments and is a small price to pay for the fantastic songs robmead uploaded.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: MechanisedSatan on August 21, 2012, 23:07:12
It says the folder was deleted. I'm registered and all...
Is it just me?

Could someone please reupload it?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on August 22, 2012, 22:36:47
Could someone please reupload it?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lja4ku (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lja4ku)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: MechanisedSatan on August 22, 2012, 22:51:32
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: jerome on August 23, 2012, 10:27:54
Merci, thanks, danke... you made my day!!! (and the next ones!!!)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Desjek-T on August 23, 2012, 14:44:31
Thank you so much!!  :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on August 23, 2012, 18:36:39
Wow... I'm amazed. Thank a lot for putting this up, dudes. Any info as to how this came about?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Janko on August 27, 2012, 23:03:08
Thanks for uploading!  :smth023
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on October 15, 2012, 17:36:12
I am very curious about where these come from.

Maybe the names appeared in some itw or something, but I can't remember the demos were made available anywhere by the band.

Are you sure it's not interpretation by some other band? Like some on the Pink Pig project?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on October 15, 2012, 18:54:14
I was thinking along the same lines when the Lost Flowers popped up, but having listened to the stuff quite carefully, I'd say its the real band we're hearing here. Never listened to any Pink Pig stuff though, but  I think it would be quite difficult to duplicate that sound, tonal and playing-wise.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on October 19, 2012, 14:24:03
I'm sure plenty of other fans on the french forum apinkdream would love to hear these, it's no problem if I put a link there for them, is it?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on October 19, 2012, 14:35:21
sure, this is a public part of the forum, you can share the link:

http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg757751/#msg757751 (http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg757751/#msg757751)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on October 19, 2012, 14:53:02
Thanks.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on October 20, 2012, 00:18:12
Thanks very much again robmead, the fans on the french forum love them - as much as i do.

Can you tell us how did you get them?
Title: Music for dreams
Post by: ItsNotMe on June 29, 2013, 18:51:02
The Cure - HK (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7sGx3qPP4#)
The Cure - Porl's (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkI9VwEd_c#)

and all http://www.youtube.com/user/seyyarkamil/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/seyyarkamil/videos) 10 more!

Are this gonna be the Wish deluxe songs?

It's been online for months! I just caught them. Does anybody else know something about this?!?!?!?!

Title: Re: Leaked Wish Demos!?!?!
Post by: ItsNotMe on June 29, 2013, 18:56:04
Album:Music For Dreams (14 instrumental demo songs) 1990-1992
Tracklist:Swing,Off To Sleep,Boon,HK,Bastard,T-8,Porl's,Miss van Gogh,Now's The Time,T-7,Old Scotland,Dark Affair,Frog Fish,Swing 2


The Cure - Now's The Time (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3VHlc6sHs#)
The Cure - T-8 (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Us55rJ48qs#)
The Cure - T-7 (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFGK8n9d0g0#)
The Cure - Miss Van Gogh (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCeRh-MvJeU#)
The Cure - Boon (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScpMUVk7W4#)
The Cure - Bastard (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrmsobhklIo#)
The Cure - HK (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7sGx3qPP4#)
The Cure - Porl's (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkI9VwEd_c#)
The Cure - Dark Affair (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNYvWbzIMbw#)
The Cure - Swing (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wod_PDgzF5w#)

What do you think guys? is this real?
Title: Re: Leaked Wish Demos!?!?!
Post by: Matti on June 29, 2013, 21:19:21
If you ask me (which you just did), it definitely is (http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg758003/#msg758002).
Title: Re: Leaked Wish Demos!?!?!
Post by: ItsNotMe on June 29, 2013, 21:30:09
i can't believe i missed the original 1 year old thread. I feel such a n00b!
Title: Re: Music for dreams
Post by: Ulrich on July 03, 2013, 10:00:44
Thanks for posting, better twice than never!  :)
I think the "Wish" deluxe edition will be worth the wait. (Even though they once again missed the chance of releasing a "20th anniversary" edition...)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Rueiko on September 15, 2013, 20:05:11
Any chance someone could re upload these?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on September 16, 2013, 23:01:18
hello Rueiko, here's a song, try to download it, if it works, i'll try to post more later.

http://uploaded.net/file/etuymr7n (http://uploaded.net/file/etuymr7n)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Rueiko on September 17, 2013, 20:06:44
Works like a charm! Thank you so much Fabien, looking forward to hearing the rest :)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on September 17, 2013, 21:19:56
It should be working, i hope...

http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw (http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Rueiko on September 17, 2013, 22:22:59
Got them, thank you so much :) I really appreciate it. I wish the deluxe editions would move faster, especially looking forward to WMS's release.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on September 17, 2013, 23:11:08
I'm glad i could help. I really like them. I hope they release something big soon (Xmas is coming!)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: johndracul on June 02, 2014, 19:22:07
Where can i find these songs:

Studio recording sessions for WISH and an instrumental album called MUSIC FOR DREAMS
(Live House demos, May 1991. **)
1, Slvvy (early 'Doing the unstuck')
2, Cloudberry
3, Open
4, Under inside (early 'This twilight garden')
5, Anniversary (early 'High')
6, Miss Van Gogh
7, T-7
8, T-6
9, V (early 'To wish impossible')
10, Now is the time
11, Frog fish
12, Full moon
13, Christmas story (early 'Scared as you')
14, T-3
15, Boris' song (early 'Apart')
16, Old Scotland (early 'Uyea sound')
17, Old England
18, Dark affair
19, Heart attack
... and more demos... for example:
20, Boon
21, HK (early 'A foolish arrangement)
22, Bastard
23, T-8
24, Porl's
25, Swing 1
26, Swing 2

http://thecure-collector.blogspot.hu/2010/09/demo-and-studio-recording-sessions-of.html (http://thecure-collector.blogspot.hu/2010/09/demo-and-studio-recording-sessions-of.html)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on June 03, 2014, 18:59:45
The Music For Dreams should be available here
http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw (http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw)

as well as two or three others.

but the other songs: where did you heard about them in the first place? I never knew about these titles before i think.

3, Open
4, Under inside (early 'This twilight garden')
8, T-6
9, V (early 'To wish impossible')
12, Full moon
13, Christmas story (early 'Scared as you')
14, T-3
15, Boris' song (early 'Apart')


no idea, i hope someone can upload them if he/she has them...

maybe some songs were just a reference Robert made in itws but were never available, even unofficially, on the internet.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on June 03, 2014, 21:05:58
I stumbled across Christmas Story sometime somewhere, but don't remember if I still have it (will check though). What I do remember is that it sounded rather bad compared to the other MfD tracks, and it felt somewhat out of tune.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on June 08, 2014, 15:27:06
Found it! For those of you who want to draw their own conclusions (or just enjoy another unheard track): klick me not.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on June 08, 2014, 18:02:56
Thanks very much Matti! Can i share it with other fans (not here because they don't speak english)?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on June 08, 2014, 20:55:04
Sure, whatever you please. My link will expire in a few weeks' time anyway, but never mind spreading the word.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on June 08, 2014, 22:26:11
alright, thanks again Matti
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on August 25, 2014, 16:09:46
Hello again everyone,

As far as I know, we have 15 demos from the Wish session, the Music For Dreams album (page 1 of this thread), + christmas story (above).

Did any other track surfaced that I am not aware of?

Thanks
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on October 17, 2014, 12:30:18
someone has asked me to re-upload this so here it's in case you don't have it. enjoy! :smth020

link

sorry. i had to remove the link. see explanation below. thanks.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: dsanchez on October 17, 2014, 14:26:52
A note about Music for Dreams that was just sent to me by private message. Thanks ;)

Quote
I was sure to have post a message on the Music For Dreams page here...

To make it short, while i was discussing this topic on another forum (well, i look for information everywhere i can), i chat with someone who explained to me that this subject should stop not discussion but at least allow downloads. In fact it seems 'someone borrowed' the master tapes whereas he was not allowed to , and put it on the internet. It was obviously not allowed and Universal are said to already have taken action in the past about the internet distribution of these demos. So, although I am very disappointed for the fans who don't have these tracks, I think you would be well advised to taken these off. And maybe explain why, if you think that might help fans to understand.
There, I've don what i think i should do. If the cure were to make these demos available on the official site, that would solve the problem easily. I hope they will do one day.
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: spyka on September 24, 2016, 14:24:39
Hi guys

Can anyone help me with this "Music for Dreams" demos?
Is it possible to post a new link?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: piggymirror on October 24, 2017, 03:06:28
The instrumental of "All around us the mermaids sing" called "Tormented" was available at Severins mp3.com page some years ago. Think he called it a leftover from the Blue Sunshine-Sessions.

This is nothing but a demo of Marc Almond's Torment (which appeared on his Torment And Toreros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torment_and_Toreros) 1983 album):

Torment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhBnPfd3Og)


Severin and Robert wrote it, and gave it to Marc (who added the definitive lyrics, which are even more explicitly sado-maso than anything Martin Gore).

Torment is one of Marc's most favourite songs among his fans (and a usual closer of his concerts).  :-D

Marc Almond, John McGeoch, Sioux, Budgie, Lol and Porl are known to have been in the studio during some of the Blue Sunshine sessions (and John McGeoch's possible uncredited appearance is something I suspect: he could be Mr. Weaverley).

Don't forget that Martin McCarrick, Ginny Ball, Anne Stephenson and Andy Anderson were part of the band who recorded Blue Sunshine.

I sometimes understand why Robert said he was too tired but that "every week I'm in another band", his overload was only matching to Bowie's by 1972/73 or 1976/77.
His intake of drugs and booze between 1982 and 1984 must have been stratospheric too, I suspect...
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Ulrich on October 24, 2017, 10:11:51
Severin and Robert wrote it, and gave it to Marc (who added the definitive lyrics...)

Interesting, thanks for sharing this info. I wondered: what do the credits say on the album?
It is indeed credited to Severin/Smith/Almond, at least here on wikipedia:

Quote
5."Torment" (Almond, Steven Severin, Robert Smith) - 4:21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torment_and_Toreros
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: John-Kimball on November 09, 2017, 20:31:20
can someone plz re-upload the music for dreams demo's ?
Title: Re: Music for dreams
Post by: John-Kimball on November 09, 2017, 20:33:46
someone upload these plz of original audio files?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on November 09, 2017, 21:57:55
You can read the problem about them on the reply #55 by david.

@matti, there was another demo titled  'klick me not'?
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Matti on November 10, 2017, 15:48:42
@matti, there was another demo titled  'klick me not'?

No, I posted a link (like,"klick me (http://curefans.com)"), but it expired. For those interested in that X-Mas story, you might want to try a search for the band name and song title on a popular video platform on the web.  ;)
Title: Re: Music for Dreams
Post by: Fabien G on November 10, 2017, 16:47:19
Ok, no, I had already heard about X-mas story, I thought 'klik me' was a title :)