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Equipment to tape a concert
« on: March 05, 2007, 16:44:18 »
Next monday Roger Waters will perform in Peru and I want to bootleg the concert. I am going to buy a MD and also microphones.

Which MD of this list would you recommend me and why?

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/md

Which microphones I should look for?

What tips do you suggest me for bootleg the concert?. Before, during and after?

Cheers

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« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 00:15:54 by dsanchez »
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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 00:31:02 »
idk if you would find too much info here, most of us are fans, collectors, and traders. There are alot of sites dedicated just for tapers, so maybe they could help you more

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 02:28:43 »
Skip the Minidisc and get a hard disk recorder, or a DAT. :D

MD is really no better than mp3, unless there's an option for PCM mode.

I like these mics:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200084345230

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 02:39:09 »
The MD SONY MZ-RH910 have the PCM option, I buy this one some time ago but don't make record ... :lol:
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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 02:41:06 »
Dude, can you explain more about the hard-disk recorder thing?. That's new to me...

Skip the Minidisc and get a hard disk recorder, or a DAT. :D

MD is really no better than mp3, unless there's an option for PCM mode.

I like these mics:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200084345230
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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 04:22:33 »
Dude, can you explain more about the hard-disk recorder thing?. That's new to me...

It's basically the next generation of DAT. DAT recorders aren't even being made anymore. Instead you just record to hard drive or a flash card. This is one I've had my eye on:

http://www.amazon.com/Edirol-R-09-WAVE-MP3-Recorder/dp/B000FPQFKO/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1716987-1975015?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173151106&sr=8-1


I know crowbi_wan has something else that he really likes, but I can't remember the exact model. I'm not sure what device is best, but  this is definitely the next big thing.

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2007, 04:54:28 »
Yes, I do have something else that I love.  It's an iriver iHP-120 with firmware upgrade by Rockbox.  Really, it's just an mp3 player with a line in.  I plug my mics (Giant Squid Audio omnis) into a battery box and then plug the batter box into the iHP-120.  The Rockbox upgrade makes recording a breeze.  You can set it up to pre-record (check your levels w/o recording), it has a clip light to let you know your levels are too high, adjustable gain (left and right channel or both), the ability to record in wave or wavepack, and many other features.  Also, the battery life is about 14 hours and HDD is 20GB.  You can seriously record an entire festival or several shows without having to recharge or transfer you recordings.  Nice for traveling ; ) 

Really, I'd pass on the MD and look for a hard disk recorder.  They are the next wave.  Either the Edirol R-9, an iriver (make sure it has a line in), or a MicroTrack 24/96. 

For mics, you can get some really nice, but inexpensive mics from Church Audio or Giant Squid Audio Labs.  My mics and battery box were $115 including shipping.  I think a battery box is a must.  It will power your mics and you will get less distortion, if any at all.  It's up to you if you get a box with bass roll off.  One with roll off will cut down the bass frequencies.  Again, less distortion.  It also cleans up a muddy sound somewhat.  Caley will probably say don't get the roll off.  I have mixed feelings about it.  Yeah, there's a lack of bass, but it can be added when mastering.  Like I said though, it will help clean up a muddy sounding venue.  I hate it when I can't understand the singer do to loud bass and echos.  Filtering out some of the bass definitely helps.

http://www.taperssection.com/ is a great site for the questions you have about taping gear.  Pretty much anything you'd want to know has been asked by someone. 

Try getting a hold of Chris Church (of Church Audio).  You can find him on taperssection or his store on Ebay. 

If I can help out anymore just ask.



     

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2007, 05:32:15 »
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120

http://cgi.ebay.com/iRiver-iHP-140-40-GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ330093561222QQihZ014QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

You can also try criagslist.  I bought mine for $80.  The going rate is anywhere from $80 to $200 for these things. 

Rockbox http://www.rockbox.org/

Mics

Church Audio http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO

Giant Squid http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/

http://www.core-sound.com/default.php

http://www.microphonemadness.com/

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=0

you can find some used gear on http://www.taperssection.com/ in the Yard Sale.  Be careful buying used mics, though.  I'm sure you can imagine where people hide them when entering the venues  :smth078


Tips for recording would be to get about half way between the stage and the soundboard, but away from any screamers.  Really it depends on what type of mics you get.  Omnis or binaurals record what you are truly hearing.  Cardioids record what is basically coming straight at you.  I like omnis because of the true sound, but you are open to more crowd noise.  I think they work better for large venues, that is unless you are right up against the speaker stack.  But then you aren't getting a stereo image.

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2007, 05:36:08 »
The MD SONY MZ-RH910 have the PCM option, I buy this one some time ago but don't make record ... :lol:

You should get out there and do some taping.  Practice man.  I had some botched attempts and a few poor quality recording my first few times out.  Learning the sweat spots of venues is pretty handy, too.   

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2007, 14:52:25 »
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120


thanks Crowbi for your advice!

I am in Peru and found this in a page similar to ebay  :smth100

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/iriver

Which of those would be worth to buy?...think most of them are players...

Thanks again

David.
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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2007, 14:53:35 »
With my MD SONY MZ-RH910 I have an ECM 719 microphone ...

I think I'm going to make a record friday, in the restaurant where I'm working we organized concert every friday so I try to record some but this is not the same that in a real show .... I hope I'm ready for the next THE CURE show ...
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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2007, 15:13:17 »
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120


thanks Crowbi for your advice!

I am in Peru and found this in a page similar to ebay  :smth100

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/iriver

Which of those would be worth to buy?...think most of them are players...

Thanks again

David.


Unfortunately, none of those have a line in jack.  That's the key.  I just noticed you're in a bit of a crunch since the show is next week.  Perhaps the Ediro R-9 is the way to go.  They are pricey, though.  A high quality MD might be the best way to go, but I'd really give that R-9 some serious thought.

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2007, 21:56:54 »
It's basically the next generation of DAT. DAT recorders aren't even being made anymore. Instead you just record to hard drive or a flash card. This is one I've had my eye on:
http://www.amazon.com/Edirol-R-09-WAVE-MP3-Recorder/dp/B000FPQFKO/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1716987-1975015?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173151106&sr=8-1

A friend of mine just passed me this Edirol R-09 Digital Recorder Review. Interesting.



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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2007, 23:00:56 »
Your friend just passed you good advice. :D

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Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 19:00:21 »
Your friend just passed you good advice. :D

An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison

However it will cost quite a lot to bring something like Edirol to Peru. US$400 to US$450 is a LOT of money  :cry:
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