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Other Artists / Re: Currently Listening to
Last post by Ulrich - Today at 11:28:13
Is it really 45 years old already?
Other Artists / Re: Nice interviews to read
Last post by SueC - Today at 05:44:39
Metal isn't my thing, but selected bits of it are in my husband's multi-genre collection, so I pricked up my ears and read this interview:


I was particularly interested in this part of the interview, which is relevant to a topic on this forum about Killing An Arab, which some people (yours truly not included) seemed to think The Cure should stop performing, not because of what the song was about but because of how it was often misinterpreted by nincompoops:

QuoteEven though you weren't physically present, Rage Against the Machine's Killing in the Name was chanted at the Black Lives Matter protest in Portland, but it was also chanted by pro-Trump supporters in Philadelphia. How did that feel?
First of all, there's no accounting for stupidity. There's a long list of radical left anthems that are misunderstood by bozos who sing them at events like that, from Woody Guthrie's This Land Is Your Land to Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA to John Lennon's Imagine - those people have really no idea what the hell they're singing about. The one thing that I speak to in all of those instances is that there's a power to the music that casts a wide net, and that's a good thing, not a bad thing. In that net, there will be the far-right bozos, but there will also be people that have never considered the ideas put forward in those songs and are forced to consider those ideas because the rock'n'roll is great. You can either put a beat to a Noam Chomsky lecture - no one wants that, but there's going to be no mistaking what the content is - or you can make music that's compelling.

So you don't try to serve people with a cease-and-desist order when they misuse your music?
When they were using Rage songs for torture in Guantánamo, we sued the state department, but no. My take is: "Go enjoy the rock'n'roll. You look like fools, but go enjoy the rock'n'roll."
Something else / Re: Here it is... the book thr...
Last post by SueC - Today at 05:17:17
Definitely sounds like I should reserve it at the library, @Ulrich:cool

Garry Disher's books, like JP Delaney's, I tend to read quickly and without dipping into other books at the same time. I actually finish them within a few days, whereas my bedside book stack is full of books I keep dipping into and back out of, and reading in parallel with each other. This happens especially with nonfiction - and so, I've just gotten into the second half of Mike Scott's autobiography, and wanted to bring up some things from that!

As already mentioned in the above link, there's lots of good stuff in this bio, including really excellent writing. When Mike Scott does his cultural decompression in the West of Ireland, the descriptions are so evocative it feels like part of you is right there in Western Ireland too, which is lovely, for me anyway, because I've never been to Western Ireland and yet the place has fascinated me since I painted the Dingle Peninsula for my Year 10 art class Impressionism project when I was 14, and subsequently read JM Synge's Playboy of the Western World for Year 12 English Literature when I was 16. The chapters of Adventures of a Waterboy set in Western Ireland are a very good personalised vicarious immersion into the local landscape and culture.

Fisherman's Blues is one of my favourite albums of all time, and it was really interesting to read about its recording, especially the months in residence in Spiddal House. That all seemed pretty idyllic apart from when the cook threatened crew members with a shotgun, and when they had to send one of their roadies back home to his wife a couple of weeks early because he was going AWOL with alcohol and drunken antics that interfered with everyone else getting on with the recording work. I'll never be able to listen to the super-cheery Spring Comes To Spiddal again without remembering that while an oblivious Mike Scott was laying down the vocal for that track with headphones on, the cook was running around with a loaded shotgun threatening people!  :1f62e:

I loved the chapter on the young Sharon Shannon, who's one of my favourite Celtic traditional music artists, right up along with Capercaillie and Alasdair Fraser, and whom we've caught live in our small town on the South Coast of Western Australia - excellent gig, too.

Alas, good things eventually came to an end, because the recording of the next album, Room to Roam, was plagued with problems. It probably wasn't a good idea to return to Spiddal House, and the producer certainly sounded like the wrong choice, driving everyone up the wall with his bloody metronome and his lack of understanding of Celtic music. It wasn't the first time Mike Scott chose a producer that didn't work out for them, and I don't think you can choose someone like that just based on externals such as whether you like some albums they produced - I think you'd have to meet up with them, with all of your band, and have some serious discussions together on how you like to work and what your priorities are - because what matters more than anything is whether people can work together well and productively.

Mike Scott seems not to have consulted the other band members democratically and inclusively with major decisions like this - reading the bio, one gets the distinct impression that the rest of the Waterboys are kind of like his Greek chorus, and that The Waterboys ought to have been known as "Mike Scott & The Waterboys" or just "Mike Scott" like Suzanne Vega is known as Suzanne Vega even though she travels with other musicians. The Waterboys don't seem to have been a band of equals with creativity and general decision-making - Mike Scott was definitely the one with the principal say over what the band would sound like and do. And sometimes that's how it works, but I can imagine that this would have set up a fair bit of friction and resentment by the time Room to Roam was getting recorded.

Because by then the band had been together for years and probably began to feel a bit like a family that owed each other a bit of mutual consultation. I can imagine some of them getting really annoyed about being stuck with an apparently up-himself big-time big-name big-head American producer without having had any input into the decision, and I can certainly imagine that some of the band members would have been livid when Mike Scott started sacking people when the rehearsals for the new-album tour weren't working out. The album wasn't as good as it could have been, and it's my understanding that concert tours are an important aspect of making an income as a musician. You'd be understandably pissed off if you had to endure an unpleasant album recording process that ended in a relative commercial flop and then didn't get to tour that album to at least top up your bank balance, because the head honcho decided to sack you and go on tour without you - as was the case for the drummer, and all the trad musicians in The Waterboys at the time. So OK, Steve Wickham quit and then the trad stuff didn't work out, but Steve Wickham quit after Mike Scott sacked the drummer, and almost certainly at least in part because he didn't agree either with that decision, or with not being consulted.

And so, our human flaws and resulting conflicts continue to mess things up in our lives, at regular intervals along the road. This isn't an exercise in pointing the finger at Mike Scott, who in any event was aware after it all blew up that he should have approached that differently - just an exercise in imagining how the other people might have felt at the time, who were not telling this story. It's also a reminder that we're all of us plagued with these difficulties along the road, and that perhaps the most important thing is this: If you can't always avoid falling over, to get good at getting up again, and at doing your part in promoting goodwill and harmony again afterwards.

Mike Scott, in the long run, appears to have done a fair bit of this, since he did record and play live again down the track with some of the very people he sacked in that dark time for The Waterboys. And not that this is an excuse for deliberately doing something untoward, just a consolation for tripping up: It's amazing how well flowers grow in compost made from BS. Going separate ways isn't necessarily the end for anyone, creatively or personally, and much excellent music came from various separate ventures by various ex-Waterboys, as well as by the continuing Waterboys AKA Mike Scott's backing band!  :winking_tongue

I've just gotten to the early-90s New York part of the bio and am wincing again at just how easily Mike Scott got the wrong impression of people, but I think part of me is wincing for all of our human stuff-ups, misconceptions etc. Full marks for the forthrightness with which Mr Scott is letting us see some of his warts, and is a catalyst for making us think about our own warts, both warts past and warts still in treatment!
Other Artists / Re: Currently Listening to
Last post by Ulrich - October 21, 2021, 18:35:40
From Lol Tolhurst's FB page:
QuoteFor those of you who read and enjoyed Cured, a little good news leaked out today

We'll let you know when the book will be released and how to order your copy as soon as we have the information. -team Lol
Unconfirmed news and rumours / Re: Simon Gallup no longer in ...
Last post by dsanchez - October 21, 2021, 09:04:53
Thanks, better this way Ulrich. By the way, the definition of trolling is more extense than the one quoted, and for the record I personally didn't take that comment as insult.
Something else / Re: Currently Watching
Last post by MeltingMan - October 20, 2021, 20:02:56
Benny Hill - Supersonic 😂

Something else / Re: Brexit
Last post by Ulrich - October 20, 2021, 11:04:25
And basically nothing has been done for touring musicians & crews:


QuoteFigures from the live music industry have hit back at the UK government for another "non-announcement" of "spin and misinformation", while arguing that little-to-no progress is being made to solve the Brexit touring fiasco.

Back in August, the government 'announced' that "short term" visa-free travel without work permits will be allowed for musicians and performers in 19 European countries, while talks are ongoing with the remaining nations. This led to a huge backlash from the industry, who accused the government of "spin and meaningless posturing" given that these rules were already in place pre-Brexit, while no real negotiations had been made to solve the major issues. All of this is compounded by today's report that one in three jobs in music were lost during the pandemic.
Something else / Re: Here it is... the book thr...
Last post by Ulrich - October 19, 2021, 19:51:10
I've been reading Garry Disher's "Under the cold bright lights".


Quote from: undefinedAlan Auhl was a homicide detective who took early retirement but has now returned to the police force to work on cold cases. He has an unusual household composed of his student daughter, occasionally his ex wife, several tenants and usually someone in need of a safe place while they sort out their lives.

In contrary to the other books I read by G. Disher, this one is in a more "urban" setting and the main character makes a (morally) questionable decision...

What's the same as the other books: "social realism" and cases which show how bad some human beings can become.

Quote from: undefinedBetween Auhl's several cases, and his complicated personal life, there's a lot going on in this book, but all the storylines are compelling and well-plotted.

Can't help but agree with this!  :smth023
Other Artists / Re: Currently Listening to
Last post by MeltingMan - October 19, 2021, 19:06:00
Blue System - Lucifer (ZDF Hitparade 22.05.1991)

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