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Title: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: dsanchez on February 02, 2019, 13:18:10
Christmas time is usually the best time to release an album, so wouldn't be surprised if with The Cure is the same:

Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: bobcat on February 02, 2019, 21:23:48
Quote from: dsanchez on February 02, 2019, 13:18:10
Christmas time is usually the best time to release an album, so wouldn't be surprised if with The Cure is the same:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/CraigatCoF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@CraigatCoF</a> Interesting stuff : a friend working for universal has seen The Cure has just been added to their Q4 record release forecast files !</p>&mdash; Eric le Curiste (@ericlecuriste) <a href="https://twitter.com/ericlecuriste/status/1088446731258216448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Q4. the fourth quarter of the year then. so the Fall or Winter..i say the Fall! :) ive always heard the spring and the fall are the best times to release an album. looks like the new album might be out right around the time of a NA tour if that happens. Roger mentioned in an interview recently about a NA tour in the fall possibly. that makes sense. The record company prob would like them to tour/promote the new album. (that they wont play much off of anyway haha) and thats fine by me! lol

i hope they come to toronto this year and play there OWN show and not some festival like the last two times they were here, that i didnt go to :/ if its later in the year thats good! outdoor festivals will be finished by then for sure. yaa! i hope so!
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 14, 2019, 23:04:14
What is Robert getting himself into...??? Ha ha. I guess I'm empathetically feeling the wild, crazy busyness of a soon to be world wide tour, although I must admit that after just writing that I'm feeling a really foundational vibe, as if it's going to be a really fulfilling, thorough experience for everybody. Robert was joking when he said it's a really dark album, wasn't he? Then again, I'm anticipating something like Wish for some reason. Many of us know that Robert loves Christmas, so will it be released then or in the Fall? They said the Fall, but often things get held up, so it would seem more likely Christmas or even post-Christmas. I'm feeling some good, deep songs.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 15, 2019, 09:26:43
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 14, 2019, 23:04:14Robert was joking when he said it's a really dark album, wasn't he?

Erm, I don't think so. He said this several times in interviews, what made you think it was a joke?  :?
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: the thread of a dream on June 18, 2019, 02:21:19
They are mixing the album right now (during the Summer)he mentioned in some BBC 6 interview. Agh! I'm really excited, with all the new modern bands he's been listening to, he's been really inspired. I'm thinking it's gonna be pretty modern. (But not shit what's on the radio modern, that's just kack). So I'm looking forward to it! Hopefully the boys might be a bit more popular again. There's only so many times I can listen to Madonna's come back,(ack) it's about time we hear about The Cure's 'come back'!
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 02:47:48
Quote from: Ulrich on June 15, 2019, 09:26:43
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 14, 2019, 23:04:14Robert was joking when he said it's a really dark album, wasn't he?

Erm, I don't think so. He said this several times in interviews, what made you think it was a joke?  :?

Roger recently said in an interview that one should never believe anything Robert says. Even a biographer disagrees with points about Robert's life that Robert himself has said are true. If it's anything like Wish (and I know you have your method for predicting what kind of album The Cure is going to release next) it would have deep, dark songs. I don't know if they still feel influenced to add lighter, pop songs for the general public or not, but that's what they did for Wish (Friday I'm in Love, which I read was meant to be a slow song, but sounded good as a pop song when speeded up, and High). Back to Robert's honesty, it's possible that he feels a disconnect when being interviewed, as if the truth is not that important to tell, being that he's not emotionally connected to the person interviewing him and the silence of the audience to whom he's speaking, also I wonder if he might say what he thinks fans want to hear. I believe Robert is authentic, especially when in front of audiences. He has a way of connecting that's deeply moving, as if he's able to align his heartbeat with the rest of ours. It's really special standing in front of him. One can feel loved for the rest of their life from just one experience of being that close to Robert Smith, but I don't see anything in his astro chart that gives him a particular drive to be honest. Plus, he's an artist. What he says one moment might feel wrong in the next moment. Only time will tell how the next album will be. I imagine great changes can be made in the mixing and who knows if they add a few songs they weren't intending to when recording? Would we all know if they went back to the studio to record two new songs? I'm going to stop now...:-)
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 18, 2019, 11:15:40
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 02:47:48Roger recently said in an interview that one should never believe anything Robert says.

And? Roger talks a lot and that proves absolutely nothing. And btw, I was asking about why you think it was a "joke", not a "lie"...

Of course, it has been said many times before: plans can change. If Robert talks about the future, things might change. And in the past, he has had some fun telling lies to interviewers...

Still, his talk about the recordings, sounded both serious and believable.

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 02:47:48Only time will tell how the next album will be. I imagine great changes can be made in the mixing and who knows if they add a few songs they weren't intending to when recording? Would we all know if they went back to the studio to record two new songs?

Maybe, as usual someone from the band will mention it or word will get out...

Yes, even RS himself mentioned they might add two songs to "out-balance" the darker stuff, still that won't make it into a "pop album".
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on June 18, 2019, 11:28:15
"it's about time we hear about The Cure's 'come back'!"

...they never left! 😁
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: the thread of a dream on June 18, 2019, 16:53:08
Hence the quotations! But new albums/music wise, it has been 10 years.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 18:03:13
Quote from: Ulrich on June 18, 2019, 11:15:40And btw, I was asking about why you think it was a "joke", not a "lie"...

What I meant by the joke is that I know Robert knows that the hardcore fans want deep, dark stuff, so I wondered if he was being his jokey self saying "yeah, the album is going to be really dark." Also the media won't let him live off "goth" so he could have been trying to mess around with them by perpetuating the label they've given him. If we take Robert's words seriously, it will be a dark, heavy album, depressing, sad, melancholy, morose. Personally, I'd love to hear songs that reflect that he's in good condition mentally, spiritually, and emotionally. I'd love to hear wisdom. Out of This World is along the lines of what I'm speaking about, Jupiter Crash, How Beautiful You Are, To Wish Impossible Things...Phenomenal art songs.



Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 18, 2019, 20:33:34
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 18:03:13What I meant by the joke is that I know Robert knows that the hardcore fans want deep, dark stuff, so I wondered if he was being his jokey self saying "yeah, the album is going to be really dark."
IF he'd said it like that (which he didn't) I'd tend to agree it might be a joke. But I don't, he said it right after the recordings, so I guess he told it like it is.

Even "Disintegration" had its fair share of hit singles though, thus there is nothing to worry about.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: dsanchez on June 18, 2019, 20:40:05
Quote from: Ulrich on June 18, 2019, 20:33:34
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 18, 2019, 18:03:13What I meant by the joke is that I know Robert knows that the hardcore fans want deep, dark stuff, so I wondered if he was being his jokey self saying "yeah, the album is going to be really dark."
IF he'd said it like that (which he didn't) I'd tend to agree it might be a joke. But I don't, he said it right after the recordings, so I guess he told it like it is.

Even "Disintegration" had its fair share of hit singles though, thus there is nothing to worry about.

Indeed, I don't think he was joking (https://www.nme.com/news/music/dark-incredibly-intense-cure-share-details-new-album-2469234):

Quote"It's so dark. It's incredibly intense," he explained. "The songs are like 10 minutes, 12 minutes long. We recorded 19 songs. So I have no idea what to do now. The others are saying, 'triple album!' I'm saying, no let's not. I'll pick six or maybe eight songs and do like a single album. But I think I will delight our hardcore fans. And probably really, really infuriate everyone else. At my age, I'm still doom and gloom."

P.S Wrote my reply on your post and edited by accident, sorry about that @Ulrich
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 19, 2019, 04:31:39
I don't know...something tells me the guys are just messing around with peoples minds. It's as if they know that playing up on the goth thing is winning with doom and gloom fans, maybe especially the new wave of goth Cure fans. Simon said in Singletrack "You know, the thing is with Robert, he's not a fake, he is what you see. He is Mr. Goth - he does go to bed at seven (am) and gets up at 2pm." (That article is quoted on Curefans: http://curefans.com/index.php?topic=8852.0). I read it now and I think, well maybe. Maybe that's true, but my first instinct when I first read it was that Simon was pushing the goth image on Robert for sale purposes. I don't know why I got that impression, but I did. I also got the feeling that Simon was angry with Robert, like something happened to strain their relationship. Eden made a public statement about a year ago about how new bands should be given more recognition and out with the old. I think he was talking about radio play. I don't think he meant it as a direct statement against The Cure, but...Also, Robert has brought on all kinds of bands to the festivals, but has he asked Violet Vendetta to play? So I wonder if there's been tension about that. And did Robert go to Eden's wedding? I didn't see him in any of the pictures. Anyway, just stuff that's none of my business that I'm curious about.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 19, 2019, 08:54:12
Thanks @dsanchez, it's okay, I think it was an unimportant part which got "lost" due to edit. And thanks for the quote, does not sound like he's joking to me.

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 19, 2019, 04:31:39Maybe that's true, but my first instinct when I first read it was that Simon was pushing the goth image on Robert for sale purposes.

Robert (and those who know him) has often talked about how he stays up until the early hours of the day... but he does not do it because he thinks it is "goth", he does it because that's who he is. He happens to like wearing black, that's his taste - he does not do it because he wants to be "goth".

He happens to write songs which often tend to have a melancholy mood, to me that is not "goth" (maybe it is for others).

Also, Robert has mentioned that he never really liked the typical "gothic rock", so he can't be "goth", can he?
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: chemicaloverload on June 19, 2019, 21:14:36
Goth is a mindset. Even in my tender old age, I tend to revert back to my goth childhood ways (the dark grape purple hair I'm rocking just now is perpetuating it  :rofl) because thats where I feel most comfortable.

Bring on the darkness  :cool
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on June 20, 2019, 00:32:05
Quote from: chemicaloverload on June 19, 2019, 21:14:36Goth is a mindset.


If that's true then I'd be interested to know what would be a 'goth' mindset vs a non-goth mindset?
I've never connected with the term myself ...it feels like a concept, a way of labeling something or someone. ...pass
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32
Quote from: Ulrich on June 19, 2019, 08:54:12Robert (and those who know him) has often talked about how he stays up until the early hours of the day... but he does not do it because he thinks it is "goth", he does it because that's who he is. He happens to like wearing black, that's his taste - he does not do it because he wants to be "goth".

He happens to write songs which often tend to have a melancholy mood, to me that is not "goth" (maybe it is for others).

Also, Robert has mentioned that he never really liked the typical "gothic rock", so he can't be "goth", can he?

Yes, I know this Robert you're speaking of. It's one of the biggest reasons I love him. He won't sink into the labels people try to put on him, in fact turns it so that the joke is on them. I think it's funny when he tells reporters his main reason for wearing black is that it's flattering. Ha ha! Man, the way he goes these days wearing elastic-waisted, pull on shorts and an oversized cotton t-shirt. There's hardly anything left about him that connotes the unconventional rock star he was in his prime. I do wish to see him fit again and wearing those flower shirts again.

The impression I was getting about the new album early on was that he was going through a dry spell. It's one of the worst feelings in the world to feel like you have to make something incredible out of a rock that can't be naturally molded, but I have faith in The Cure's delivery, and there is something to love about every album, even if it is just that it's a new album. I'm so curious to know what their states of minds on things currently are, with all their years at it. That should be reflected in the new album. I know Robert has already admitted that his outlook has been bleak. C'mon, that's too simple considering the state of the world and how many people feel. Isn't there some contribution he can make as a leader, like with all his resources, isn't there something he can see and report back that has some hope? If not, that tells me he's going off the deep end, because even I can see so much hope and love and good to report. When we can release our egos enough it makes the view pretty clear as to why all the chaos in the world.

In terms of goth: I tried it for a few years. My goth phase was in tandem with my parents overly-traumatic divorce ("He waits to hear her say 'forgive,' but she just drops her pearl black eyes, and prays to hear him say 'I love you' but he tells no more lies...)" and the aftermath. After Wild Mood Swings, I gave away everything I had of The Cure except for a few items. I missed Blood Flowers and 4:13 Dream (makes me realize that was my key number this morning at a day spa I go to, but I didn't relate it until now) so am pretty excited to be full force again for The Cure for this new release.

I've noticed at Cure shows that some of The Cure's most devoted fans seem to be simple and unpretentious (there's goth devotees, too, I know). Probably the biggest fan I met, a small, blonde woman from Arkansas with really tall sons, just wore blue jeans and a white t-shirt. She had been following them for many, many years, met Robert at a hotel after a show some years ago. Robert recognized her at the show I waited in line with her at, in Chicago in 2016. Here's the picture of him remembering her.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 20, 2019, 11:04:07
Quote from: chemicaloverload on June 19, 2019, 21:14:36Goth is a mindset.

I tend to agree. I don't like the cliché of "goth" - but I always had sympathy for the "outsiders": those who are wearing black (when most others wear bright colours), those who admit they are sad/melancholy (when others think they should be happy), those who listen to "different" music (not what's on radio/charts/telly).

I believe what Simon meant was Robert living "the lifestyle" he prefers - I don't think Simon wanted to "sell" anything. He was just trying to tell that Robert is "for real" and not a cliché.
(Still, I completely understand that Robert tries to distance himself from any "movement" or "tpyical goth". I mean, he likes Disneyland and Christmas, that's not for the typical "goths"...)
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 20, 2019, 11:13:06
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32Yes, I know this Robert you're speaking of. It's one of the biggest reasons I love him. He won't sink into the labels people try to put on him...
I do wish to see him fit again and wearing those flower shirts again.

I agree with the first part (of this quote). However, the Banshees called him "fatboy Smithy" (in fun, probably) back in the 1980s, so I guess he never really was the "fit rockstar"... (and I love him for that, too)!

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32... there is something to love about every album, even if it is just that it's a new album.

Yeah, especially after 10+ years!

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32I'm so curious to know what their states of minds on things currently are, with all their years at it. That should be reflected in the new album.

Personally, I don't think that will ever happen. It never was The Cure's intention to "make a statement" or comment on the state of the planet or whatever. Robert's songs/lyrics have mostly been about (his) mood or melancholy feelings... or inspired by literature; but not his "general" state of mind.
Plus: I don't think he ever saw himself as "a leader".
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 12:19:14

I'm sorry if I get off the subject, but Goth and Gothic are not one and the same. Goth refers to the group of people (of Germanic descent) who occupied the Roman Empire between the third and fifth centuries. Gothic, on the other hand, refers more to the architecture and language of Western Europe in the Middle Ages. We should keep that apart (source: Pocket Oxford English Dictionary).
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: the thread of a dream on June 20, 2019, 13:18:43
Well Robert did mention that he tends to write when he is in a kind of sad mindset, and writing happy songs are a bit harder to write. I personally think the 'goth' tag on Robert is kind of funny, yes they made 2 or 3 'goth' albums, (like faith and pornography, possibly disintegration, but in my in opinion, that's a whole different world). They probably tag The Cure as goth because they did come from Post-punk, which kind of branched off into the 'goth' scene. I mean, what I love that The Cure take the  kind of 'piss' out of it and mess around with reporters or deny it, because they think it's so stupid. I mean the Cure aren't goth to me, but to someone who doesn't know The Cure, and saw an image of The Cure or listened to "One hundred years" , they probably would think of them as goth. But then again, they can be 'bubble gum' pop, "Just Like Heaven" and their other hit songs. But Robert does wear heavy eye-makeup, and does have messy hair, same with Simon, (in '85-ish anyway) but they weren't trying to be goth, Robert just wanted to emphasise his eyes onstage, and well, I'm not sure why he back combs his hair... (to make him more zany- and wacky?) They did crimp their hair for a bit actually... and Robert does tend to wear black now (self conscious...?, also I agree, I miss the dotted and floral shirts too) but The Cure to me aren't goth, they are their own genre, because one minute you are listening to a sad song, an angry song, and then a happy one. As Lol said, "We didn't fit in- I'm glad we didn't". Honestly the Cure are so otherworldy they should be their own genre. But then there is the other story of did they create "shoegaze"...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 20, 2019, 13:55:23
Quote from: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 12:19:14I'm sorry if I get off the subject, but Goth and Gothic are not one and the same.

That's right, but what we're talking about here is "gothic" in the sense of a musical style and kind of a "youth movement" (or whatever you wish to call it); according to the cliché: the ones who dress in black, are depressed all day and listen to the so-called "gothic rock" (look it up on wiki or whatever, to find the "typical" bands).
This is usally abbreviated to "goth" (the style) or "goths" (when describing the persons).

For more on the meaning of the word(s):
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/de/worterbuch/englisch/gothic

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/gothic

In German:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_(Kultur)
Quote from: undefinedDie Anhänger der Gothic-Kultur werden länderübergreifend als Goths bezeichnet, obgleich diese Bezeichnung innerhalb der Szene eher selten Anwendung findet...

Als sich der Punk Ende der 1970er Jahre in verschiedene Genres aufspaltete, gingen daraus der Death Rock und der Gothic Rock hervor; Punk-Bands wie The Stooges und The Damned übten auf die Entwicklung der Gothic-Musik wesentlichen Einfluss aus. Entgegen mancher Aussagen war Gothic jedoch keine gezielte Abspaltung vom Punk. So verstanden sich viele Gothic-Bands selbst noch als Teil der Punk-Bewegung und nicht als Initiatoren eines neuen Genres...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 14:36:33

Assuming the new album actually appears in the fall and is "darker" than its predecessors, then it deserves to be called gothic (and not goth). But I understand what you mean. 😉
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 19:25:00
Quote from: Ulrich on June 20, 2019, 11:13:06
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32Yes, I know this Robert you're speaking of. It's one of the biggest reasons I love him. He won't sink into the labels people try to put on him...
I do wish to see him fit again and wearing those flower shirts again.

I agree with the first part (of this quote). However, the Banshees called him "fatboy Smithy" (in fun, probably) back in the 1980s, so I guess he never really was the "fit rockstar"... (and I love him for that, too)!

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32I'm so curious to know what their states of minds on things currently are, with all their years at it. That should be reflected in the new album.

Personally, I don't think that will ever happen. It never was The Cure's intention to "make a statement" or comment on the state of the planet or whatever. Robert's songs/lyrics have mostly been about (his) mood or melancholy feelings... or inspired by literature; but not his "general" state of mind.
Plus: I don't think he ever saw himself as "a leader".


The British press called him Toad Stool and Fat Bob during times. His weight has fluctuated many times throughout his career, from fit to fat. I hope to see him getting more fit again. He does look like he's fitter now than he's been in a while. I'm deeply into health and nutrition and want to see him healthy! <3

I understand that the albums reflect moods, but I do think Robert's state of mind can be perceived through a lot of the songs, too. "We always have to go back to real lives..." That reflects that he doesn't believe bliss can last forever. "To Wish Impossible Things" reflects that he thinks there are limits to wishes coming true.I love that side of him, the grounded, steadfast side, but it's ironic that he's a rockstar (billions of peoples dreams) and still thinks there are wishes he has that can't come true?

I don't think Robert wants to project himself as a leader, but he's a leader. He has influence. He's been ambivalent about his public role, doesn't like to discuss his personal views about politics, but he has come out at times to express his views anyway. What made me sad recently was an article I read put out by the Guardian, where Robert showed tentativeness about speaking on his views. He didn't think the British people (outside of the fans) respected him enough for his voice to make a difference.

Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 04:03:03
Tanya, I'd be more interested in hearing YOUR thoughts on Cure-related things (and the perspective of all other forum members too!) rather than your guesses on HIS thoughts (which you actually could never know what they really were/are).

Whenever anyone talks in a way like they're speaking for someone else (ie "when he said ___ he was thinking/feeling/meaning ___") it kinda bugs me. Actually it can't be known what the other was thinking/feeling/meaning ...unless you have the ability to time-travel and mindread !
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 21, 2019, 05:47:26
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 04:03:03Tanya, I'd be more interested in hearing YOUR thoughts on Cure-related things (and the perspective of all other forum members too!) rather than your guesses on HIS thoughts (which you actually could never know what they really were/are).

Whenever anyone talks in a way like they're speaking for someone else (ie "when he said ___ he was thinking/feeling/meaning ___") it kinda bugs me. Actually it can't be known what the other was thinking/feeling/meaning ...unless you have the ability to time-travel and mindread !

Thanks for pointing this out, Word! I didn't realize I was speaking for Robert. I know I have my blind spots but wasn't sure what it was. I guess I do try to read his thoughts by interpreting his songs and what he says to the media. I do spend a lot of time thinking about Robert Smith and trying to figure him out. All I know is that I was so captured by him at 14 years old. I didn't know how to contain or how to express how much he meant to me. It's been both moving and hard to listen to and read about others who also love/loved him so much. When you're in your bedroom all by yourself and your walls are covered (even the ceiling) with collages, posters, and magazine and newspaper articles about Robert Smith and The Cure, it's easy to imagine that maybe someday you'll meet and marry Robert Smith, that maybe you're the one who loves him the most in the world. Now he's this grumpy old man wearing pull on, elastic shorts and I love him in a different way now. :-) Ha ha. Let me be clear that I don't assume I know what he's thinking, in fact I worry often that I've misread him completely (i.e. worrying about the implications of KaA) and that he'd totally be annoyed by me. He does seem to have that kind of personality that doesn't want to be figured out or read like a book, which is probably why I've dedicated so much of my life to trying to figure him out. God, what has changed since High School? I've always liked guys like that. I did let Robert go when I was 19, but got right back into him around my 37th birthday. I put a small poster of him from an old calendar I had of The Cure up on my office wall. A few months later I heard that they were going on tour. It was the first time I had money to see them, so I got tickets, one by one to 9 shows. I felt like I connected with him at  several of the concerts. I did things from the front row, like scream (he didn't seem to like that), stand on my chair, throw myself around cathartically until it seemed like he noticed me. In Charlotte, North Carolina, he gave a nod toward me when I danced in the aisle during Just Like Heaven and people from the audience came up and hugged me. It was surreal. He flirted with me in Just Like Heaven at Wembley at around 1:17 in this video. I'm deeply committed to my significant other and I totally respect that Robert is a married man, but it's been wonderful to feel like Robert finally knows who I am. I remember standing in the audience of the show in Mountain View, California, in the 7th row, wearing a floor length, blue silk dress, a rhinestone crown over a head of curls, and two, blue sparkly heart earrings glistening from my ears, and feeling like he was singing to me when he sang "a woman now standing where once there was only a girl." It really, really felt like he could see my expression and read my awe that I so related to what he was singing, but I didn't let myself believe that. I'm sure that was a universal experience that most women feel when he sings those lines, but here, this was real. Judge for yourself. Again, at 1:17 he looks directly at me, holding my camera up from the front row. I even zoomed in at this point, not knowing what was going on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmRitGSqVIU

Picture is from Mountain View with my sweet Libra soulmateDSC06954.jpgDSC06954.jpg
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 07:35:22


😂wow ... yeah that's strange, it does look like he's looking right at you. Were you doing anything at that moment that caught his attention?

I have a theory that RS loves to feel loved (who doesn't!) ...so he seems to respond and appreciate when people are showering love in his direction. (Or maybe more generally showering love into the world?)

I actually had a dream last night that RS was on stage and a few children were approaching him and giving him money (!). I was watching and felt like encouraging them that they don't need to do that but they seemed intent on doing so.
I sometimes wonder about the unseen impacts ... Is it an energetic commodity that benefits the receiver (either in the present, or perhaps the future when this incarnation is completed?)
I hope though that those receiving such high volumes of love are not wanting to hold onto it for themselves, but are connected to a more expansive space (and so if one person is loving them it's one like love more generally is being shone into the world).  I think Bowie was like this, and I've had dreams of him kissing many people (in a way that on the surface may sound wierd, but to me it made complete sense what he was doing and was actually quite an enlightened and unattached thing), shining love into the world.

So YES! Love = good!
I can totally relate to RS having a strange ability to evoke strong loving feelings.  A few years ago I freaked out about it, and essentially cut-off from it because the feelings (or more my interpretation and response to them) were keeping me caught in a confused and stuck place.
But I've come to realise it's a good thing! it's love!  Now I embrace it, welcome the feelings when they arise, but also try to experience it in an unattached way and expand it. Like how creation allows a flower to be in bloom ...and the flower doesn't then just direct it's scent in one direction, it gives its scent without boundary or preference.

Umm...I think things went a bit off topic 😂
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 21, 2019, 16:33:09
Quote from: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 14:36:33Assuming the new album actually appears in the fall and is "darker" than its predecessors, then it deserves to be called gothic (and not goth).

Erm, no? As I tried to explain above, here "goth" is just short for "gothic", so it means the same!

Also, in my humble opinion, the Cure have never sounded like the "typical" gothic rock, some people might call it that, but I guess Robert's term "doom and gloom" is much better anyway.
I'll just call it "Cure music". (Yes, to me The Cure is a category of its own!)
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: MeltingMan on June 21, 2019, 18:04:25
Quote from: Ulrich on June 21, 2019, 16:33:09here "goth" is just short for "gothic",

No problem. OK. 😶
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on June 21, 2019, 18:37:42
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 07:35:22😂wow ... yeah that's strange, it does look like he's looking right at you. Were you doing anything at that moment that caught his attention?

I have a theory that RS loves to feel loved (who doesn't!) ...so he seems to respond and appreciate when people are showering love in his direction. (Or maybe more generally showering love into the world?)

I actually had a dream last night that RS was on stage and a few children were approaching him and giving him money (!). I was watching and felt like encouraging them that they don't need to do that but they seemed intent on doing so.
I sometimes wonder about the unseen impacts ... Is it an energetic commodity that benefits the receiver (either in the present, or perhaps the future when this incarnation is completed?)
I hope though that those receiving such high volumes of love are not wanting to hold onto it for themselves, but are connected to a more expansive space (and so if one person is loving them it's one like love more generally is being shone into the world).  I think Bowie was like this, and I've had dreams of him kissing many people (in a way that on the surface may sound wierd, but to me it made complete sense what he was doing and was actually quite an enlightened and unattached thing), shining love into the world.

So YES! Love = good!
I can totally relate to RS having a strange ability to evoke strong loving feelings.  A few years ago I freaked out about it, and essentially cut-off from it because the feelings (or more my interpretation and response to them) were keeping me caught in a confused and stuck place.
But I've come to realise it's a good thing! it's love!  Now I embrace it, welcome the feelings when they arise, but also try to experience it in an unattached way and expand it. Like how creation allows a flower to be in bloom ...and the flower doesn't then just direct it's scent in one direction, it gives its scent without boundary or preference.

Umm...I think things went a bit off topic 😂

I was surprised to realize he was looking at me, (if you watch him before he turns to me and starts smiling, you see him looking at other people in the audience, even sticking his tongue out at somebody playfully, so when he looked at me right after "I'll run away with you..." I had no idea what to do) but I held my camera steady. I think I tap into Robert Smith's energy as he taps into the energy in the audience and it can be a phenomenal experience when taking photos and videos. Lots of the videos I took really connected with him (that was me connecting with him through the lens). There's been a very positive response to Plainsong from Hawaii because it makes people feel really close to Robert (as they have expressed to me in the comments):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRCSmnGqvsU

I understand what you mean about his ability to evoke strong feelings. I'm happy for you that were able to distance yourself until you could channel the feelings in a healthy way. As a teen I had no filter and was completely obsessed, but as an older woman I feel more ability to turn on the filter when I need to or just take some steps back.

I like Bowie's music, particularly Starman and Sound and Vision, but was turned off by stories I heard of how promiscuous he was with young girls. I'm glad he found mature love with Iman.

Falling in love with famous people is such a common experience that I've spent many years thinking about it. It seems pretty simple. There's a famous artist, actor, musician, entrepreneur that a person connects with, like would probably get along with if they knew them in their real lives and that famous person is projected all over the world, so in a way they become as familiar as a parent or best friend or lover. They have no faults, look perfect, and it's easy to project that they'd never disappoint or hurt the person who loves them. 
Famous people tend to be more confident with themselves and are willing to take more risks than the average person. Like with Robert Smith, he's so self-expressive and if you look at most of the audience, they just stand there like stone, admiring Robert and the band. I don't think it's always the case, but maybe a lot of famous people are individuated or self-actualized? I've loved and idealized many people in my life and ultimately I came to realize that they were expressing something that I wasn't. As soon as I started expressing the qualities I was so drawn to in them, the idealization went away. I don't think I idealize Robert the way I used to. I do see him as human, but I still love him for being such a big influence in my life as I grew from a little girl into a woman.

I like how you say "Like how creation allows a flower to be in bloom ...and the flower doesn't then just direct it's scent in one direction, it gives its scent without boundary or preference."
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on June 22, 2019, 10:44:39
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 21, 2019, 18:37:42Falling in love with famous people is such a common experience that I've spent many years thinking about it. It seems pretty simple. There's a famous artist, actor, musician, entrepreneur that a person connects with, like would probably get along with if they knew them in their real lives and that famous person is projected all over the world, so in a way they become as familiar as a parent or best friend or lover. They have no faults, look perfect, and it's easy to project that they'd never disappoint or hurt the person who loves them.

But that's an illusion. They do have faults, they disappoint, they sweat, they need to go to the toilet, like everyone else.  :1f632:

I'm in the lucky position to have met some of my "heroes" (and no, I won't mention names here). The very positive side was: to me they really are (were) the persons they put across through their public appearances (I'd read the interviews, listened to the records, watched videso etc.).
Of course, if you happen to spend more than just a few hours with them (say: a week-long holiday, or accompany them on tour for a little while) you get to see "negative" sides of them too. But for me it was a good experience and eye-opening. And most importantly: I still like them, most and foremost as human beings (not as "idols" or whatever).

Quote from: tanyasmith on June 21, 2019, 18:37:42Famous people tend to be more confident with themselves and are willing to take more risks than the average person.

I wouldn't say that. Many may seem "confident", but aren't (deep inside). Also, there are artists who like to "play it safe", e.g. those who do repeat their successful "formula" etc.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: piggymirror on July 07, 2019, 03:54:58
After the NME interview, most of the hope I had on The Cure releasing a new album has disappeared.

I'm starting to feel like if they were pulling my leg.

They used to say... "this is our last album". And it was a lie.

Now they say "we're recording/have recorded an album/two albums". And for ten years, it's been a lie. It's the new normal.

I don't know wether I can believe them any more. Part of me wants them to go on.
But another part of me won't accept any random album, and even less won't accept it as an excuse to go and see them live.

I'm starting to be quite fed up with this silly nonsense.

At least the Banshees had the dignity of knowing when to stop.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 04:17:46
I get your sentiment, PiggyintheMirror. It might feel like they're playing with fans, but to me it seems to reflect that they're having a hard time producing something that they feel is worth peoples listening to. I wonder if they've gotten to a point of satisfaction with all the success that they've attained that they don't have as much to write about? A lot of their stuff from the past was inspired by their lives, feeling rebellious, or what Robert Smith was reading. Maybe Robert Smith is just having creative blocks? Or maybe what seemed like a really good idea at the time is not turning out as expected? Like have you had a great idea and you spend some time developing it and then somebody criticizes it or tells you to be realistic and your inspiration just goes out the window? I wonder if something like that has been going on.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: chemicaloverload on July 07, 2019, 05:08:41
But Piggymirror, if you know that's been the script for the last ten years, you canny get mad about it, can you? If you took every word anyone ever said to the press as gospel, the world would be like George's 1984.



Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on July 07, 2019, 07:21:28
...did I read a different NME interview? I felt pretty positive overall (Other than the documentary seeming to be delayed indefinitely?).
It was great to hear so much from RS

Things I heard:
*the album is heading towards the sound of Pornography and Disintegration rather than the later albums
(...woohoo). Gosh I hope that means not only the songs, but the production too!

*the album is still planned for release.  With no pressure to release it (ie no contract etc)...yes this means they can keep working on it till it feels right for release, which may mean delays to the initial 2019 plan.. but he indicates they are working on it (studio time booked around the Glasgow show)
-I don't feel particularly down about that. If/when it's meant to be released it will
...in the meantime, fans pushing and hollering at them won't change that





Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on July 07, 2019, 11:18:54
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on July 07, 2019, 07:21:28...did I read a different NME interview?

Seems like some people only read a few lines and then "know" it all already.

The album is on its way, according to the NME interview, I have no idea what some people read into it...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 18:55:15
Here's something from The Irish Examiner:

"The new album, in a funny way, it's not going to be that enjoyable.

"I know I shouldn't say that... it's something, it's a piece, we've tried and it just won't work.

"We've tried to squeeze a couple of songs in. I can imagine the crowd just staring back at us when we're playing it."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/entertainment/the-cures-robert-smith-says-new-album-not-going-to-be-that-enjoyable-933895.html

Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: dsanchez on July 07, 2019, 19:01:13
Quote from: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 18:55:15"The new album, in a funny way, it's not going to be that enjoyable.

he meant is not going to be enjoyable for the masses, which is great news for Curefans!
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 21:49:59
Quote from: dsanchez on July 07, 2019, 19:01:13
Quote from: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 18:55:15"The new album, in a funny way, it's not going to be that enjoyable.

he meant is not going to be enjoyable for the masses, which is great news for Curefans!

Yes, Dsanchez, it seems that's what is being said. I just get the sense that he's trying to make it into something it doesn't want to be, so he's been feeling stuck. I giggle at a lot of the ways he explains things. It's hilarious! And I love it!
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: piggymirror on July 08, 2019, 03:35:10
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on July 07, 2019, 07:21:28...did I read a different NME interview? I felt pretty positive overall (Other than the documentary seeming to be delayed indefinitely?).
It was great to hear so much from RS

Things I heard:
*the album is heading towards the sound of Pornography and Disintegration rather than the later albums
(...woohoo). Gosh I hope that means not only the songs, but the production too!

*the album is still planned for release.  With no pressure to release it (ie no contract etc)...yes this means they can keep working on it till it feels right for release, which may mean delays to the initial 2019 plan.. but he indicates they are working on it (studio time booked around the Glasgow show)
-I don't feel particularly down about that. If/when it's meant to be released it will
...in the meantime, fans pushing and hollering at them won't change that

Regardless of the Pornography/Disintegration commercial decoys...

This is exactly the same song he's been singing to the media since even before 4:13 Dream was released.

Not to say since it was released.

If he were less fussy and more do-y, I'd find it a bit more plausible.

Not that I'm hoping for anything particularly relevant any more. 
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on July 08, 2019, 09:48:17
Quote from: tanyasmith on July 07, 2019, 18:55:15Here's something from The Irish Examiner:

"The new album, in a funny way, it's not going to be that enjoyable.

That quote just makes more sense when it's read together with the sentence which goes before:

"I want the crowd to be part of the show, not for us to stand there and say 'Here's 10 minutes of doom and gloom, you'd better enjoy it.'

i.e. he says it's not gonna be "enjoyable" for a festival crowd.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: word_on_a_wing on July 08, 2019, 10:58:26
Quote from: piggymirror on July 08, 2019, 03:35:10....Not that I'm hoping for anything particularly relevant any more.

Man you are a sad puppy ... does someone need a hug?
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: SueC on July 30, 2019, 01:45:15
Quote from: the thread of a dream on June 20, 2019, 13:18:43...and well, I'm not sure why he back combs his hair... (to make him more zany- and wacky?) They did crimp their hair for a bit actually...

I know I've said this before, but people really could make life so much easier for themselves and save so much time if they employed a van de Graaff generator on freshly washed hair; only takes a minute or two to get to this...

(https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/What-is-a-Van-de-Graaff-Generator-2.JPG)

...and then you just spray-fix it with your free hand before you take the other hand off... simple!  :cool
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on July 30, 2019, 10:14:04
In the latest interview (from Fuji Rock, Japan) Robert mentions that they recorded music, but the vocals are far from finished - he needs to write words and sing them still... Will have to wait and see how long it takes.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: SueC on July 30, 2019, 12:28:08
@Ulrich, do you know the saying, "A watched kettle never boils"?  ;)

Also - re that avatar photo - do you know if there is a full transcript of that Bowie/RS interview anywhere? I can only ever find a bit of it...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: dsanchez on July 30, 2019, 14:41:01
Quote from: Ulrich on July 30, 2019, 10:14:04Robert mentions that they recorded music, but the vocals are far from finished - he needs to write words and sing them still...

really? so I don't think we will have a The Cure album this year. There are barely 5 months left to 2020.
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on July 30, 2019, 17:11:51
@dsanchez: as I said before, I will eat my old hat if we won't have an album during 2020.  :yum:

Quote from: SueC on July 30, 2019, 12:28:08...do you know the saying, "A watched kettle never boils"?  ;)

Erm, no. Guess turning the heat under the kettle on will be more helpful (instead of just watching it).  :lol:
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: SueC on August 01, 2019, 03:45:06
Quote from: Ulrich on July 30, 2019, 17:11:51@dsanchez: as I said before, I will eat my old hat if we won't have an album during 2020.  :yum:

Quote from: SueC on July 30, 2019, 12:28:08...do you know the saying, "A watched kettle never boils"?  ;)

Erm, no. Guess turning the heat under the kettle on will be more helpful (instead of just watching it).  :lol:

Oh, you meanie!  :winking_tongue   Don't you know that life-sustaining proteins start to denature in the 50-60 degree C range?  Be careful what you're boiling there!   :1f62d:

Of what quality is this old hat?  (Not that I think this will become relevant; it's just nice to know what you're wagering!)
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on August 01, 2019, 11:40:41
Well that was just a "saying", I don't even own a hat... I don't remember the exact wording or where I posted it, but I am so certain we're going to get a new album before 2020 is over, I said: if that ain't happening, everyone here will be free to shower abuse over me around Xmas 2020 (for a week or so) without being banned...
(Maybe not such a good idea, huh?)  :fearful:
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on November 13, 2019, 09:47:07
In reference to the topic title: I have my doubts that this album will drop in 2019.

My guess? Around Robert's birthday in April/May 2020. And I might be very wrong...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: piggymirror on November 14, 2019, 05:33:17
Quote from: Ulrich on November 13, 2019, 09:47:07In reference to the topic title: I have my doubts that this album will drop in 2019.

My guess? Around Robert's birthday in April/May 2020. And I might be very wrong...

Like I said, in the year 2193, the release of the long-lost Cure albums is announced once again...
Title: Re: The Cure to release new album end of 2019?
Post by: Ulrich on December 30, 2019, 09:24:01
I guess we can close this topic now, unless the album drops unexpectedly on 31/12...  :1f62a: