Well, I just went to the official site and checked the snippet from 'Sleep When I'm Dead'...
... and I have to say that I'm very pleasantly surprised! That's actually a beautiful piece of Cure music, with haunting keyboards (!?), great Robert vocals and all. The thing is, it's only a small bit, kind of intro-like, on a never-ending loop. Will the song as a whole fulfil this promise? If so, this could very well be their best single since 'A Letter to Elise'. Maybe the fact that it is a rework of a 1985 lost song has something to do with it...
The main reason I'm really suprised is because I have previously checked a live version of this song and thought it was nothing special...
Below the lyrics (nearly) of Sleep when I'm Dead I found this on COF thanks to COF :smth023
Sleep When I'm Dead lyrics...nearly
Sleep When I'm Dead (MSG/Fuse version)
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
Well until then...
Told me I could run the world
If I kept it clean
Told me I could be the chosen one
If I took one for the team
And it's the only way to be
Never think it isn't fair
It's a green-eyed panic (pride?)
To the edge of nowhere
Give it to the chick
And see if it ticks
Give it to the (kid?)
See if it sticks
Give it to the wonderful, wonderful me
I'll let you know on my return just how it is
with all the other boys and girls
The whole f*cking other world
The way they grew to (be?)
???????????????????????
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Told me I could run the world
If I kept it quiet
They said I could be the man
If I took it out of sight
So in a monkey suit of (?)
Having fun with all your friends
How a casual ????????
All this world to pieces
Give it to the (bunny? bonnie?)
And see if she kicks
Give it to the (?)
See if it sticks
Give it to the wonderful, wonderful me
I'll let you know when I return on how it is
with all the other boys and girls
The whole f*cking other world
The way they feel inside
The why they never make it (by?)
The way they are inside
The why I never take the time
The way they are inside
The why I never act surprised
Yeah, just how it is
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead, I said
Sleep when I'm dead, you angels
I'll sleep when I'm dead
Well until then...
I may as well be tired, I think
Before I lay me down to dream
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhvZdbpnm8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhvZdbpnm8)
This should be the link to Youtube with a version of Sleep when I'm dead from Fuse, A good version should I say.
I nearly can't wait to hear this song in the studio version :-D
Quote from: Trust... on July 04, 2008, 12:40:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhvZdbpnm8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrhvZdbpnm8)
This should be the link to Youtube with a version of Sleep when I'm dead from Fuse, A good version should I say.
I nearly can't wait to hear this song in the studio version :-D
Better sound quality than the live version I heard before... maybe because of that, I also like it better. Still "better" doesn't mean "great". The intro as played live has no magic - where's the great keyboards? Even Robert's voice doesn't sound as good. So, for the moment, I am still not convinced - I will have to wait for a full studio version to make a more definitive opinion.
"The whole f*cking other world"
thanks for the lyrics.
i just cannot believe it : they censored the word on fuse ! i didn't understand why there was that sound at these 2 moments, and, well,
it's just so FSSSSH lame.
what's the next step ? FSSSHing all of one hundred years because it's too negative ? shiver & shake because it's too agressive ? faith because it's too desperate ?
this world is getting more and more stupid every day.
as for the song itself, the snippet on thecure.com is the best teaser ever ! i don't know why they didn't release it as the first single, but commercial strategies have never been my thing, anyway.
Um, yeah, you can't say that word on broadcast TV in the US. Pay cable networks like HBO and such are different, but Fuse is a commercial network. No way you can say that.
Quote from: rodney on July 04, 2008, 19:35:04
Um, yeah, you can't say that word on broadcast TV in the US. Pay cable networks like HBO and such are different, but Fuse is a commercial network. No way you can say that.
well, i knew the word is blipped while talking, but in a song ? this is moral to the point of absurdity.
what happens with other music then ? is it blipped, or FSSSHHed too ? or just not broadcast ?
Usually blipped.
Samples are up!
http://www.altnet.com/album/1229783/Sleep_When_Im_Dead_Mix_13/index.aspx
Down Under sounds fantastic!!!!
I really like the music, but the lyrics leave me wishing for more.
Thank you, Trust...
Quote from: mahood on July 04, 2008, 20:09:49
Quote from: rodney on July 04, 2008, 19:35:04
Um, yeah, you can't say that word on broadcast TV in the US. Pay cable networks like HBO and such are different, but Fuse is a commercial network. No way you can say that.
well, i knew the word is blipped while talking, but in a song ? this is moral to the point of absurdity.
what happens with other music then ? is it blipped, or FSSSHHed too ? or just not broadcast ?
I never quite understood the rules. Isn't Comedy Central a "commercial network" like Fuse?
Because I know there was that one episode of South Park where they didn't bleep out any of the F-bombs.
And there have been times where it was allowed on completely regular (non-cable) TV:
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services-miscellaneous-business/4827459-1.html
Sorry, the Altnet Music Store is only available in the US only.
:(
Quote from: Tszyu on July 06, 2008, 11:46:05
Sorry, the Altnet Music Store is only available in the US only.
:(
I am also out of the US and I couldn't open the file :cry: but after finding this on COF: For those outside of the US, just click the little speaker icon next to the song titles. (thanks to COF)!
Now I heard the samples, to short to say something, but happy that I could hear them. It's the cure!
Well, that worked fine! :-D Much appreaciated. Down Under sounded nice. :smth023
Thanks Trust!! Not being able to hear the samples was driving me mad!! :smth023
Quote from: sullen on July 06, 2008, 01:33:40
Samples are up!
http://www.altnet.com/album/1229783/Sleep_When_Im_Dead_Mix_13/index.aspx
Down Under sounds fantastic!!!!
Oh, no! It´s that generic wah guitar sound, again.... :? SWID seems like the kind of song that would go well with rhythm acoustic guitars, a la 'In Between Days' or even 'The Blood'. That sample is way too short, but now I'm starting to think they have fucked up again...
And I'm afraid the snippet from 'Down Under' doesn't sound too good, either.
Sleep When I'm Dead (MIX13) is in my hands (italian fnac had it):
the song is beautiful
different from the live version, yes!
but more textured and a little bit more haunting and darker !
the sound is very good compared to the b-side (and the other b-sides) and that makes me hope for the album ( just the wah-wah guitar is too compressed) !
Down Under is a very nice song, but the sound is not that good!
I love both songs, Down Under was a very pleasant surprise
Seriously, both songs on the new single sound like they were recorded on a $10 boombox, which is a downgrade from the last two singles - which were probably recorded on a $40 boombox. :smth011
Get the wax out of your ears, Robert. Three Imaginary Boys sounded 20x better than this rubbish production.
Quote from: lostflower4 on July 06, 2008, 07:14:51
Quote from: mahood on July 04, 2008, 20:09:49
Quote from: rodney on July 04, 2008, 19:35:04
Um, yeah, you can't say that word on broadcast TV in the US. Pay cable networks like HBO and such are different, but Fuse is a commercial network. No way you can say that.
well, i knew the word is blipped while talking, but in a song ? this is moral to the point of absurdity.
what happens with other music then ? is it blipped, or FSSSHHed too ? or just not broadcast ?
I never quite understood the rules. Isn't Comedy Central a "commercial network" like Fuse?
Because I know there was that one episode of South Park where they didn't bleep out any of the F-bombs.
And there have been times where it was allowed on completely regular (non-cable) TV:
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services-miscellaneous-business/4827459-1.html
There was an episode of South Park where they made a big deal about saying "shit" on TV. As for the F-bomb, maybe you're thinking of the movie? Comedy Central will show movies uncut after 1:00am. South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut and Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back are two that they often show with much cussing.
Quote from: crowbi_wan on July 12, 2008, 01:40:56
Quote from: lostflower4 on July 06, 2008, 07:14:51
Quote from: mahood on July 04, 2008, 20:09:49
Quote from: rodney on July 04, 2008, 19:35:04
Um, yeah, you can't say that word on broadcast TV in the US. Pay cable networks like HBO and such are different, but Fuse is a commercial network. No way you can say that.
well, i knew the word is blipped while talking, but in a song ? this is moral to the point of absurdity.
what happens with other music then ? is it blipped, or FSSSHHed too ? or just not broadcast ?
I never quite understood the rules. Isn't Comedy Central a "commercial network" like Fuse?
Because I know there was that one episode of South Park where they didn't bleep out any of the F-bombs.
And there have been times where it was allowed on completely regular (non-cable) TV:
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/business-services-miscellaneous-business/4827459-1.html
There was an episode of South Park where they made a big deal about saying "shit" on TV. As for the F-bomb, maybe you're thinking of the movie?
Yeah, the episode called "It Hits The Fan". Actually, the F-word was uncensored in this episode, but they only said it once.
I checked Chain of Flowers and it's available on iTunes Italy (http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/browserRedirect?url=itms%253A%252F%252Fax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fid%253D285085280%2526s%253D143450) and
The exchange rate stinks so I'm waiting until Sunday!
(http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/browserRedirect?url=itms%253A%252F%252Fax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fi%253D285085281%2526id%253D285085280%2526s%253D143443%7DGermany%5B/url)
I find these lyrics so full of anger and grudge...
Very great song anyway, the best one with "underneath the stars" for me! :)
Quote from: lostflower4 on July 11, 2008, 23:44:42
Seriously, both songs on the new single sound like....
did you already hear them on the cd?
the cd is way better than any iTunes s**t
(but i know, you know that!!)
Well, Sleep When Im Dead is crappy I think :evil:
Concert version is much better IMHO, but Down Under is pretty cool! :smth023
I would say I really like now just 2 songs from MIX13 Singles:
All Kinds Of Stuff
Down Under
Well, and maybe Ny Trip for 50%.
Sleep When Im Dead, The Only One & Freekshow is good just live versions...
when I heard shortly version of Sleep When I'm Dead I thought that live version is much better! But when I listened full studio version yesterday (many times :lol:) I think that is great! song :smth023
Quote from: [labyrinth] on July 12, 2008, 12:10:35
Quote from: lostflower4 on July 11, 2008, 23:44:42
Seriously, both songs on the new single sound like....
did you already hear them on the cd?
the cd is way better than any iTunes s**t
(but i know, you know that!!)
Yes, it was the CD. Seriously, how can this pass for CD quality? It sounds more like some shady promo release that was dubbed to cassette a few times and then back to CD.
If I bought (insert Top 40 pop sensation's latest album here), I know it would sound leaps and bounds better than this crap.
I've come to expect the best from The Cure, so this is nothing short of pathetic. :(
i just bought them from iTunes Australia. My mrs is blaring The Mars Volta so listening to these is proving a little difficult..
So based on my analysis of the lyrics on COF Sleep.. is about a suicide bomber and Down Under is about Australia right?...
sad to say it but this release sounds simply godawful. for the first time ever i am really wondering whether i'm not even going to buy the album when it comes out, if it sounds like this. :x
even if/when the cd version is better than itunes shit it's still shit, sound wise.
i'm appalled, really.
(i'm afraid robert must be deaf or something, i don't know how else to explain it IF he's been in charge of something here. if not, then universal is really screwing him big time.
all the more reason that they should have gone for some small label instead.)
and what also annoys me big time is that the official site is so crappy and so unupdated these days, so there's not even ways to send any feedback of this over there. i mean thers hould be, because this is bloody outrageous. if there only even was a simple forum over there (like other band sites often have), it could be possible to try and bring these things into discussion. but no, of course there is no outlet for anythig. it almost makes me think whether robert actually wants to keep the official site as it is (=utter mess, totally useless, zoolike atmosphere) so that no organized conversation about anything could ever even spring up? so that people can do nothign else than rant by themselves, out there somewhere and they can just keep pushing this kind of crap stuff down the fans throat? or maybe robert thinks all his fans are deaf too (in case it's true that he is)?
in any case: jesus.
this is an exclusive by curefans.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2Qwi2HS8o
*edit:
a new link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=773InkMQc18
I finally got to hear the whole of the new 'Sleep When I'm Dead' single. Thanks You Tube for that. I also took the oportunity to listen to all the B-sides from the new singles...
So, what can I say? 'Loudness-war' problems aside, the main problem with all these new Cure songs is the allarming lack of real hooks. Although the general sound of them is different than 'Wild Mood Swings', with a rockier approach and all, as far as quality and memorability goes, we're pretty much in the same field as 'Mint Car' and the like. Truly DISAPPOINTING stuff.
Now, that said, 'Sleep When I'm Dead' is the best of these 6 new songs. Courtesy of a beautiful intro, that they unfortunately can't live up to in the rest of the song, because they go the wrong way about it (again, I would say that a 'In Between Days'-kind of arrangement would suit this song much better). Still, they don't ruin the song totally, so in the end it can be said that the song retains SOME of its potential 'greatness'. But it could easily be better...
Thank you for the video, Labyrinth!
about songs: The studio version of Sleep When I'm Dead is really strange and very different from the live one... SWID live is more raw, powerful and edgy, it's my third favourite of the new songs (after A Boy I never knew & Underneath the Stars), the studio version is more dreamy, with many interesting sounds... It took me a little to get used to it, but now I love them both, I dare say! :smth023
Down Under is a wonderful mix of KM KM KM and Wild Mood Swings :smth020 But it's not a potential album track like NY Trip and AKOS, it is a B-SIDE, but there's nothing wrong about it, it's still lovely piece of music!
Quote from: [labyrinth] on July 14, 2008, 13:58:28
this is an exclusive by curefans.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2Qwi2HS8o
thanks for the link [labyrinth] :smth023
well, i find this song to be the weakest of all so far (not just because of the sound, as i didn't even like it live - no hooks, not enough ideas for a song).
i sitll don't get it why they want to make exactly similar videos for all songs (making a video is a task so if one bothers to make a video, one could just as well put a bit more effort into it(?). anyway, i suppose they have their resons...).
anyway, trying to find the positive sides here.. at least robert's face is less sweaty than on those previous videos - thank god someone remembered to bring some matte powder to the studio this time. :-P
b sides aren't what they used to be, where is the this-morning type of song?
Thanks very much [labyrinth] :smth023
Quote from: Rec-Level on July 14, 2008, 14:40:54
b sides aren't what they used to be, where is the this-morning type of song?
Well, I still haven't heard 'This Morning', but in general I think that the quality of B-sides is really going downhill with these new releases...
Hey, let's compare it with 'Wild Mood Swings', which is considered by many fans (not all, I know) as the worst Cure phase... The B-sides to the first single from that album ('The 13th') were:
- It Used to Be Me
- Adonais
- Ocean
All three are much better than any of the current B-sides, and in particular 'Adonais' and 'Ocean' are even of album-quality, I think. And even if the 'Mint car' single was overall weaker, there was still 'Waiting', a good sort-of-dreamy pop song that is clearly of B-side quality but which easily beats any of the new B-sides (the other 2 WMS singles didn't have proper songs as B-sides, only mixes/remixes, so I'll omit them).
Quote from: [labyrinth] on July 14, 2008, 13:58:28
this is an exclusive by curefans.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2Qwi2HS8o
The You Tube version I had checked before was not this one, it was not even a real video, just a photo sequence to go with the studio take of the song... Thanks for the link, it's nice to watch the real video, even though this is really just the sort of lip-sync-fake-playing thing they did previously with 'The Only One' and 'Freakshow'. Nothing new here...
... except: Robert is not wearing lipstick on the video! Could it be that the announced change of look has already began? :-D
:D Thanks a lot for the video clip :D
Oh no, in the past hour or so the video was removed due to copyright violation and I didn't get a chance to see it :(
Is it posted anywhere else?
Quote from: revolt on July 14, 2008, 15:32:33
Quote from: Rec-Level on July 14, 2008, 14:40:54
b sides aren't what they used to be, where is the this-morning type of song?
Well, I still haven't heard 'This Morning', but in general I think that the quality of B-sides is really going downhill with these new releases...
Hey, let's compare it with 'Wild Mood Swings', which is considered by many fans (not all, I know) as the worst Cure phase... The B-sides to the first single from that album ('The 13th') were:
- It Used to Be Me
- Adonais
- Ocean
All three are much better than any of the current B-sides, and in particular 'Adonais' and 'Ocean' are even of album-quality, I think. And even if the 'Mint car' single was overall weaker, there was still 'Waiting', a good sort-of-dreamy pop song that is clearly of B-side quality but which easily beats any of the new B-sides (the other 2 WMS singles didn't have proper songs as B-sides, only mixes/remixes, so I'll omit them).
This Morning was an exceptional and extraordinary circumstance -- it would be like if they decided to put Underneath the Stars as the b-side to The Perfect Boy. It's a song that, by rights, should have been on the album, but for whatever reason wasn't; there is a b-side 'feel' to songs like NY Trip, Why Can't I Be Me?, et cetera; it doesn't mean they're bad songs, per se, but This Morning was an album track that ended up on a single.
As for WMS b-sides -- again, it's a different situation; that was an album that should have been a double, had been planned as a double, but which ultimately ended up a single, without a follow-up album [which distinguishes it from the current situation]. Album tracks, like Adonais and It Used to be Me got dumped onto singles because there wasn't another album to build. Robert would seem to be serious about The Dark Christmas album, so he's not dumping album tracks on b-sides; he's saving them for the next album.
Of course, all of this will make more sense in hindsight....
As for my distinguished colleagues and their problems with the new songs, I don't see it; I think they sound great. They
certainly don't make me consider such outside thoughts as to not buy the new album in September. I'm as great a supporter of hyperbole as the next, but....
Maybe I should feel lucky? I'm able to love the new single.
Quote from: firecrasher on July 14, 2008, 18:33:55
Oh no, in the past hour or so the video was removed due to copyright violation and I didn't get a chance to see it :(
Is it posted anywhere else?
:( No longer available!! :( whyyyy? copyright? but the same Robert recommended Youtube... ouch!!! :smth011 Booooh!! Universal Booooh!! :smth011
I get the feeling the two heads of the Cure monster -- Robert and the label -- don't communicate very well. Robert endorsing the videos being put up on YouTube is meaningless if the other head doesn't know not to bite.
Behind Underneath the Stars, Sleep When I'm Dead is my favorite new track. However, I'm sticking to my live versions. That 13 Mix is awful :smth011 A real shame as I was so looking forward to this one.
i'm reneging on any previous comments and am not really hyped about any of the so-far released tracks... I'm waiting for The Cure to stunn [LOL] me with songs like Open, From The Edge Of The Deep Green Sea, The Kiss, Like Cockatoos, Bloodflowers and a slew of others.. I wonder if I will be disappointed..
Hey, I'll be in Thessaloniki, Greece next week. Does anyone know of any good CD stores?
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 14, 2008, 23:47:37
I get the feeling the two heads of the Cure monster -- Robert and the label -- don't communicate very well. Robert endorsing the videos being put up on YouTube is meaningless if the other head doesn't know not to bite.
It's back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqIU6agWD80
Well, certainly the fact of not putting songs like Adonais, A pink Dream, It Used To Be Me, This Morning or The big Hand in the albums is a way of making potential buyers love more the art of singles, like little shells with a fantastic pearl inside.
So far, none of these 3 b-sides have fulfilled people's expectations, as nauseareockpig points out, there hasn't been a song yet which leaves you there dribbling and trembling (I'm just remembering when I first bought the vinyl of High and listening to This Twilight Garden). We'll see how the album turns out...
By the way, the best thing of Sleep When I'm Dead is the beginning, they should have continued exploiting that part of the song.
I still can't listen to the 2004 album and be awed by all of the songs or even half of them. It really saddens me that my favorite band no longer touches me in the way they used to. With their new releases anyway.
Let's hope this record blows us all away!
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 14, 2008, 23:08:19
Quote from: revolt on July 14, 2008, 15:32:33
Quote from: Rec-Level on July 14, 2008, 14:40:54
b sides aren't what they used to be, where is the this-morning type of song?
Well, I still haven't heard 'This Morning', but in general I think that the quality of B-sides is really going downhill with these new releases...
Hey, let's compare it with 'Wild Mood Swings', which is considered by many fans (not all, I know) as the worst Cure phase... The B-sides to the first single from that album ('The 13th') were:
- It Used to Be Me
- Adonais
- Ocean
All three are much better than any of the current B-sides, and in particular 'Adonais' and 'Ocean' are even of album-quality, I think. And even if the 'Mint car' single was overall weaker, there was still 'Waiting', a good sort-of-dreamy pop song that is clearly of B-side quality but which easily beats any of the new B-sides (the other 2 WMS singles didn't have proper songs as B-sides, only mixes/remixes, so I'll omit them).
This Morning was an exceptional and extraordinary circumstance -- it would be like if they decided to put Underneath the Stars as the b-side to The Perfect Boy. It's a song that, by rights, should have been on the album, but for whatever reason wasn't; there is a b-side 'feel' to songs like NY Trip, Why Can't I Be Me?, et cetera; it doesn't mean they're bad songs, per se, but This Morning was an album track that ended up on a single.
As for WMS b-sides -- again, it's a different situation; that was an album that should have been a double, had been planned as a double, but which ultimately ended up a single, without a follow-up album [which distinguishes it from the current situation]. Album tracks, like Adonais and It Used to be Me got dumped onto singles because there wasn't another album to build. Robert would seem to be serious about The Dark Christmas album, so he's not dumping album tracks on b-sides; he's saving them for the next album.
Well, I only mentioned WMS because it is supposedly The Cure's weakest era. I could easily have also mentioned KMKMKM, Disintegration or Wish. Most B-sides from those 3 albums are much better than any of these 2008 songs... Hell, even some of THOTD B-sides are better - 'A Few Hours After This', 'The Exploding Boy', and 'New Day' are very far from masterpieces but they are all more interesting than the 2008 B-sides.
In short: there is really no excuse for the complete banality of what The Cure are offering us now. After compilations like The Cure's own 'Join the Dots' or the Banshees' 'Downside Up', which have done so much to rehabilitate the image of the B-side-as-art, this is really a letdown...
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 14, 2008, 23:08:19
As for my distinguished colleagues and their problems with the new songs, I don't see it; I think they sound great. They certainly don't make me consider such outside thoughts as to not buy the new album in September. I'm as great a supporter of hyperbole as the next, but....
Maybe I should feel lucky? I'm able to love the new single.
I'm with you Bloodflower...maybe I should feel lucky too....
Thanks for the link!
I actually really like Down Under. Sound quality is a mess though, but that's for another thread......
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 14, 2008, 23:47:37
I get the feeling the two heads of the Cure monster -- Robert and the label -- don't communicate very well. Robert endorsing the videos being put up on YouTube is meaningless if the other head doesn't know not to bite.
It maybe because the single's not available everywhere yet, which would make more sense I guess.
Quote from: revolt on July 15, 2008, 10:53:52
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 14, 2008, 23:08:19
Quote from: revolt on July 14, 2008, 15:32:33
Quote from: Rec-Level on July 14, 2008, 14:40:54
b sides aren't what they used to be, where is the this-morning type of song?
Well, I still haven't heard 'This Morning', but in general I think that the quality of B-sides is really going downhill with these new releases...
Hey, let's compare it with 'Wild Mood Swings', which is considered by many fans (not all, I know) as the worst Cure phase... The B-sides to the first single from that album ('The 13th') were:
- It Used to Be Me
- Adonais
- Ocean
All three are much better than any of the current B-sides, and in particular 'Adonais' and 'Ocean' are even of album-quality, I think. And even if the 'Mint car' single was overall weaker, there was still 'Waiting', a good sort-of-dreamy pop song that is clearly of B-side quality but which easily beats any of the new B-sides (the other 2 WMS singles didn't have proper songs as B-sides, only mixes/remixes, so I'll omit them).
This Morning was an exceptional and extraordinary circumstance -- it would be like if they decided to put Underneath the Stars as the b-side to The Perfect Boy. It's a song that, by rights, should have been on the album, but for whatever reason wasn't; there is a b-side 'feel' to songs like NY Trip, Why Can't I Be Me?, et cetera; it doesn't mean they're bad songs, per se, but This Morning was an album track that ended up on a single.
As for WMS b-sides -- again, it's a different situation; that was an album that should have been a double, had been planned as a double, but which ultimately ended up a single, without a follow-up album [which distinguishes it from the current situation]. Album tracks, like Adonais and It Used to be Me got dumped onto singles because there wasn't another album to build. Robert would seem to be serious about The Dark Christmas album, so he's not dumping album tracks on b-sides; he's saving them for the next album.
Well, I only mentioned WMS because it is supposedly The Cure's weakest era. I could easily have also mentioned KMKMKM, Disintegration or Wish. Most B-sides from those 3 albums are much better than any of these 2008 songs... Hell, even some of THOTD B-sides are better - 'A Few Hours After This', 'The Exploding Boy', and 'New Day' are very far from masterpieces but they are all more interesting than the 2008 B-sides.
In short: there is really no excuse for the complete banality of what The Cure are offering us now. After compilations like The Cure's own 'Join the Dots' or the Banshees' 'Downside Up', which have done so much to rehabilitate the image of the B-side-as-art, this is really a letdown...
I think we agree to disagree, then; the only HOTD b-sides I think are worth anything are The Exploding Boy & A Few Hours After This, which, granted, I think are a masterpieces.... And for those who want to complain about quality, how about Breathe? Beautiful song, or it would be, if it didn't sound so bad.
Thanks for posting the link. I was never really a fan of the live version and I wasnt too impressed with this. I don't know, I will still get the album but I was hoping for the double.
I'm getting really really sad about the new songs and the new album.
Come September, this will hurt so bad...
:smth011
The song and the band are getting slaughtered at YOUTUBE...
Absolute rock bottom!
:smth011
I like the new songs, but the production takes some getting used to. It kind of sounds like The Porl Show, but hey, I like the Porl show! I still prefer Boris to Jason. He's certainly not bad, just not as unique. We do have to give Robert some credit for branching out a bit lyric-wise, from sexual (for him) in The Only One to just kind of bizarre (Freakshow).
Where oh where are the DRUMS in these songs?! They are pushed way too far back in the mix ..it sort of sucks the energy right out... :smth011
Quote from: Rec-Level on July 15, 2008, 08:44:16
So far, none of these 3 b-sides have fulfilled people's expectations, as nauseareockpig points out, there hasn't been a song yet which leaves you there dribbling and trembling
No, I'm dribbling and trembling since weeks. ;)
No doubt that the production is sort of "unusual", but besides that I'd rate all three B-Sides we got so far are among my most favourites in the band's history. "NY Trip" is a psychedelic gem, "All kinds of stuff" a nice reendition of "A japanese dream" and "Down under" one of those unique Cure Pop tunes that each and every other band in the world would release as a A-Side.
I bet that 80% of those who moan about the new releases would love to see the band releasing "Disintegration" again and again for the last 19 years.
p.s.: Hi, I'm new!
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 12:55:44
I bet that 80% of those who moan about the new releases would love to see the band releasing "Disintegration" again and again for the last 19 years.
Well, count me in the remaining 20%, then. I don't want them to release Disintegration or Pornography over and over again, even though those albums are among my favourites. I actually think that a KMKMKM or The TOP kind of album would be the best thing for The Cure right now, but I also think that since they have lost much of their ability to write great POP tunes, they should probably go instead for a more serious type of album, with a mix of slow & moody / trippy / dark / aggressive stuff...
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 13:12:30
Well, count me in the remaining 20%, then. I don't want them to release Disintegration or Pornography over and over again, even though those albums are among my favourites. I actually think that a KMKMKM or The TOP kind of album would be the best thing for The Cure right now, but I also think that since they have lost much of their ability to write great POP tunes, they should probably go instead for a more serious type of album, with a mix of slow & moody / trippy / dark / aggressive stuff...
I think (and hope) that the new album will be of a KMKMKM type with many happy songs and only few epic dark songs (Underneath the stars, A boy...). Actually after songs like "Us or them", "The promise" and "Watching me fall" I'm not really looking forward to get more dark agressive stuff. But moody and trippy sounds fine, actually a collaboration of Robert with some electronic artists (imagine some sort of "Space night soundtrack" chillout tunes with dreamfull vocals) is on top of my wish list for years.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 12:55:44
"NY Trip" is a psychedelic gem, "All kinds of stuff" a nice reendition of "A japanese dream" and "Down under" one of those unique Cure Pop tunes that each and every other band in the world would release as a A-Side.
Well, one thing is the albums, and another thing is the b-sides. Yeah, sure that robert farting in the toilet in d#m would sound a lot better than most musical stuff going around these days (or years!). But comparing A foolish arrangement/A chain of flowers/ 2 late or It used ot be me as b-sides with the present ones... well, I think they're in different divisions, really.
:D Honestly, you can't pick the 4 best (also in my oppinion) B-Sides out of roughly 60-70 in the band's career and say, that they're better than the new ones. In my oppinion the new ones are among the 25 best B-Sides in the band's career, which is a rather good result. Robert will never reach his creative peak (I'd say: 1985-1989) again in termns of songwriting, but who can seriously expect that?
The error of this otherwise brillant idea was releasing "The Only One" first
as I recall that first single (and NY Trip) got a lot of 2do on American Itunes and the other ones not so much as time faded. The song "TOO" is just "Cure" it has beautiful music and stupid lyrics, like you'd expect from a band of 30 years. IMO Freakshow/Sleep When I'm Dead/Baby Rag Dog Books/Perfect Boy would have all made a statement of direction. If that first single would have packed more substance this would be more commercialy embraced.
I largely agree, but one difference is that I think that TOO is more commercially viable than the others, so would've made a good choice for the last single. SWID should've been first. It's different, but still obviously Cure. Freakshow should've stayed as second, or maybe moved to third.
I'm not sure Freakshow should have been released as a single at all. As much as it's grown on me, I think they killed a lot of the momentum they were starting to build with The Only One. For instance, the local radio station's played The Only One quite a lot, but I'm not sure they've EVER played Freakshow. It's just too weird for alt.rock stations; and as alt.rock stations are all that play The Cure, they should have perhaps pandered their direction a little bit. Maybe with:
1) The Only One
2) Sleep When I'm Dead
3) The Perfect Boy
4) Baby Rag Dog Book [Some sort of single edit; no more than a minute before the vocals come in.]
That's probably not a great singles line-up either, but I think my point is that Freakshow derailed their radio play and so was a poor choice for a single.
I think they should've started with the strongest new song, which is in my oppinion "The perfect boy". A nice comeback-song that would have paved the way for "The only one" and "Freakshow". As a final single I could imagine "A boy I never knew", bringing a new vibe in the Cure's single world. Semi-ballads often do well in terms of commercial success, just remember that "Lovesong" was their biggest hit.
Both, "Baby rag dog book" and "Sleep when I'm dead" are not really songs to be released as a single necessarly. So:
1)The perfect boy
2)The only one
3)Freakshow
4)A boy I never knew
Have to say that the single version of Sleep When I'm Dead is actually crap.
The live versions were superb. How can this single be that bad (or is it just the 13 mix that's tragic)?
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 18, 2008, 19:37:04
I'm not sure Freakshow should have been released as a single at all.
I agree.
The Only One is the only great song I've heard from the new material and it's
the only radio-viable song they made so far. It's overwhelmingly stupid to expect any impact from the remaining three singles...
And this one single a month became really bad idea because TOO could be a really nice summer hit if only they supported it better (production, sound, video) ...
I think, this is gonna be greatest flop in their career and with crap like Sleep when I'm dead or Baby Rag Dog Book (WTF?!?!?! What kind of idiot name is that?!) the band doesn't make any sense of a "new direction"...
:?
Oh, I disagree that this new album will be the biggest flop of their career. It's certainly not going to be the most successful, but I think audiences will be interested in their "new" guitar heavy sound. They're doing something different, and I think people will notice it. Even if it's not rewarded with another big hit or radio play. Who cares about those things anyway?
Quote from: rodney on July 18, 2008, 22:02:48
Oh, I disagree that this new album will be the biggest flop of their career. It's certainly not going to be the most successful, but I think audiences will be interested in their "new" guitar heavy sound. They're doing something different, and I think people will notice it. Even if it's not rewarded with another big hit or radio play. Who cares about those things anyway?
OK
I hope you're right, but:
- Name one weaker album than this one (we heard at least 5-6 new songs that will be on it , so...)
- What are the main elements of the "new guitar sound" that you find so exciting
- What's the main noticeable difference (besides the low quality :-D )
- Why shouldn't we care about hits and airplay?
It's obvious I'm missing something, but I don't know what it is...
:?
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 18, 2008, 20:18:20
I think they should've started with the strongest new song, which is in my opinion "The perfect boy". A nice comeback-song that would have paved the way for "The only one" and "Freakshow". As a final single I could imagine "A boy I never knew", bringing a new vibe in the Cure's single world. Semi-ballads often do well in terms of commercial success, just remember that "Lovesong" was their biggest hit.
Both, "Baby rag dog book" and "Sleep when I'm dead" are not really songs to be released as a single necessarly. So:
1)The perfect boy
2)The only one
3)Freakshow
4)A boy I never knew
oh.. totally agree on ' A Boy I Never Knew'... I am terribly disappointed they didn't release this pre-album.. if this song is not on the album.. I would be extremely distressed.. and forlorn .. :smth086
My responses in yellow!
- Name one weaker album than this one (we heard at least 5-6 new songs that will be on it , so...) um, based on what I've heard so far, I'd say this is their best work since Wish (though not close to Wish in quality).
- What are the main elements of the "new guitar sound" that you find so exciting? Well, for one thing the songs sound emotional again (even if the lyrics usually aren't). There is an anger to the new songs that I think people are going to notice.
- What's the main noticeable difference (besides the low quality :-D ) I think Robert's voice sounds stronger than it has in a very long time on these songs, and it appears from the live performances that I've seen that the band believes in the material and enjoys playing it. Robert's obviously happier with these songs than he was with what was on the last album. His attitude shows that.
- Why shouldn't we care about hits and airplay? Because the state of radio, in the US at least, is terrible. If The Cure released Just Like Heaven or Lovesong today, nobody would pay any attention to those songs. I really believe that. Music that's played on the radio is boring. It was a fluke like a great band like The Cure had popular songs! And, you don't need radio hits to sell records. Look at dinosaurs like Bruce Springsteen (who's most recent album has sold over 1 million copies in the US, even though ClearChannel, who owns most radio stations in this country, instructed their stations not to play songs from it, and to only play his older material). People pay less attention to the radio than ever, turning to things like blogs, podcasts, sattelite radio and internet radio (like the awesome WOXY.com for example) to hear about music. I think for an indie-alternative-whatever band, these newer, untraditional methods of promotion mean more than radio hits.
Quote from: firecrasher on July 16, 2008, 22:41:57
I like the new songs, but the production takes some getting used to. It kind of sounds like The Porl Show, but hey, I like the Porl show! I still prefer Boris to Jason. He's certainly not bad, just not as unique. We do have to give Robert some credit for branching out a bit lyric-wise, from sexual (for him) in The Only One to just kind of bizarre (Freakshow).
@firecrasher he he he he.. 'the porl show'.. gotta give ya kudos!
also I agree on ' The Freakshow' .. :shock:
the jury is still out here..
@Rodney
Could you change the colour please?
The first 2 singles were great.
Fudshow was so much better than the european tour versions & The Only One is a stand alone single. No complaints there.
When I heard SWID in NY it was really very good, but the single version is so crappy.
It is a single. No doubt about it, A Perfect Boy is another perfect single.
I wonder if the 13mix will be as bad as the SWID one.
btw scatcat....xxx
How's yellow?
I'm not exactly excited by these new songs... which really depresses me.. Was just discussing this with the Mrs this morning [it's a sunny day in Brisbane at 11 am on a Saturday!!]. I need to be blown away by this new record, i'm hoping that these mix13s are the reason, but I'm not sure how they can be "fixed" by the "real" mixes.... either way i'm gonna hold out until the record comes out... mind you it is fun watching you all vent your opinions!!!
um, based on what I've heard so far, I'd say this is their best work since Wish (though not close to Wish in quality)
This is really interesting. Well, I do hope there are many that think the same.
Well, for one thing the songs sound emotional again (even if the lyrics usually aren't). There is an anger to the new songs that I think people are going to notice.
There was more anger on Us Or Them, and it took ages for song to grow on me. Robert has no real reason to be angry. He's 50 next year. He'll just sound fake,
I think Robert's voice sounds stronger than it has in a very long time on these songs, and it appears from the live performances that I've seen that the band believes in the material and enjoys playing it. Robert's obviously happier with these songs than he was with what was on the last album. His attitude shows that.
There are millions of songwriters that enjoy their songs. I'm a really happy chap when I play my guitar, but that doesn't mean people like to hear that rumble. Bringing Porl back might make Robert happy, but I don't see what's the big deal...
Because the state of radio, in the US at least, is terrible. If The Cure released Just Like Heaven or Lovesong today, nobody would pay any attention to those songs. I really believe that. Music that's played on the radio is boring. It was a fluke like a great band like The Cure had popular songs! And, you don't need radio hits to sell records. Look at dinosaurs like Bruce Springsteen (who's most recent album has sold over 1 million copies in the US, even though ClearChannel, who owns most radio stations in this country, instructed their stations not to play songs from it, and to only play his older material). People pay less attention to the radio than ever, turning to things like blogs, podcasts, sattelite radio and internet radio (like the awesome WOXY.com for example) to hear about music. I think for an indie-alternative-whatever band, these newer, untraditional methods of promotion mean more than radio hits.
But it was always like that with radio. Internet might be cool but it's not the same thing as airplay. Its just for geeks and freaks (like us :-D). If The Only One had better production and promotion it could make huge difference.
But then again, who knows. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom to become better...
:-D
Quote from: Janko on July 19, 2008, 03:57:27
But then again, who knows. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom to become better...
:-D
Dunno where you were in 2004, but they kinda did. Ninety minute shows, a poorly written & produced album, more in-fighting than we've seen since that bar-fight in '82.... Now they're playing marathon, three hour shows, playing the best-written songs they've put out consistently since the early nineties, and by all accounts, there's harmony in the band. I'm not entirely certain what more you could ask for, really.
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 19, 2008, 05:28:30I'm not entirely certain what more you could ask for, really.
I ask for songs that are so good that they just knock me on my arse. so far I've heard nothing that does that. I have though, stayed away from listening to the live versions of the new songs like Baby.... and A Boy... just to get an unbiased opinion..
I'm not getting the vibe I want... YET!!!
Quote from: rodney on July 19, 2008, 01:31:51
How's yellow?
Much better.
The blue made my eyes water a bit.
Thx ;)
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 19, 2008, 06:30:06
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 19, 2008, 05:28:30I'm not entirely certain what more you could ask for, really.
I ask for songs that are so good that they just knock me on my arse. so far I've heard nothing that does that. I have though, stayed away from listening to the live versions of the new songs like Baby.... and A Boy... just to get an unbiased opinion..
I'm not getting the vibe I want... YET!!!
BRDB is about the closest thing we've heard so far to an arse-kicker. But I don't know you can legitimately complain that what you've heard so far [I presume just the studio-released songs] hasn't touched you the way other Cure songs have; I mean, were you just blown away the first time you heard High? And even if you were, was it the same as the first time you heard Open or From the Edge? Cure singles, as a rule, are inferior to their album brethren. It's unfair to judge the sessions off singles.
I mean, if you'd only heard The 13th and Mint Car, you'd probably think WMS was an awful album; and whatever you think of it, I don't believe there's a person out there who isn't blown away by at least a few of those tracks. You can't tell from The 13th that there's also going to a song like Want on the album. Same goes for Disintegration; if all you know from the sessions is Lovesong, how are you supposed to predict something like The Same Deep Water or Disintegration?
My point in all of this? Don't judge too quickly. The songs The Cure releases as singles have NEVER been the best songs of the sessions:
Going Nowhere, This Morning, Bloodflowers, The Last Day of Summer, Want, Jupiter Crash, From the Edge, Open, Disintegration, The Same Deep Water, The Kiss, If Only Tonight, Sinking, Push, Shake Dog Shake, Birdmad Girl, The Figurehead, Pornography, All Cats Are Grey, Faith, At Night, Secrets, 10.15 Saturday Night, Fire In Cairo.....
Not one a single.
I think a problem might be, that fans who got into the band just recently (2000 and beyond)and/or bought the discography almost at once just have too high expectations. If you're getting roughly 250 great songs within a short period of time you can't expect to freak out about number 251-258. So these relatively new fans might just have a sort of cure overdose.
Shake dog shake was a single indeed :-D
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 19, 2008, 05:28:30
Quote from: Janko on July 19, 2008, 03:57:27
But then again, who knows. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom to become better...
:-D
Dunno where you were in 2004, but they kinda did. Ninety minute shows, a poorly written & produced album, more in-fighting than we've seen since that bar-fight in '82.... Now they're playing marathon, three hour shows, playing the best-written songs they've put out consistently since the early nineties, and by all accounts, there's harmony in the band. I'm not entirely certain what more you could ask for, really.
The 2004 album was not that great, but you can't say there are more than 2 or 3 lousy songs. TEOTW was a decent success and there was more TV/radio visibility than for Bloodflowers. And the B-sides from 2004 are the best songs they made in last decade or so...
The band played 90 minutes shows because it was Curiosa festival, not their solo gig. And what's up with this three hour gigs?! There are bands that will come on stage and play 40-50 minutes show and the audience will be blown away!
And who cares if there's harmony in the band? I don't. I would love if Perry and Roger stayed and if they went into turmoil - if that means another This Morning, Truth Goodness and Beauty or The Promise.
And then what is it that I ask? GOOD SONGS. Good songs are absolute minimum. If there's no good song - nothing can make me fall in love with the album.
Quote from: Janko on July 19, 2008, 16:56:21
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 19, 2008, 05:28:30
Quote from: Janko on July 19, 2008, 03:57:27
But then again, who knows. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom to become better...
:-D
Dunno where you were in 2004, but they kinda did. Ninety minute shows, a poorly written & produced album, more in-fighting than we've seen since that bar-fight in '82.... Now they're playing marathon, three hour shows, playing the best-written songs they've put out consistently since the early nineties, and by all accounts, there's harmony in the band. I'm not entirely certain what more you could ask for, really.
The 2004 album was not that great, but you can't say there are more than 2 or 3 lousy songs. TEOTW was a decent success and there was more TV/radio visibility than for Bloodflowers. And the B-sides from 2004 are the best songs they made in last decade or so...
The band played 90 minutes shows because it was Curiosa festival, not their solo gig. And what's up with this three hour gigs?! There are bands that will come on stage and play 40-50 minutes show and the audience will be blown away!
And who cares if there's harmony in the band? I don't. I would love if Perry and Roger stayed and if they went into turmoil - if that means another This Morning, Truth Goodness and Beauty or The Promise.
And then what is it that I ask? GOOD SONGS. Good songs are absolute minimum. If there's no good song - nothing can make me fall in love with the album.
First of all, I can TOO say there were more than two or three lousy songs. [I Don't Know What's Going] On, Never, Us or Them, Taking Off, Why Can't I Be Me?, alt.end, and Fake. And if you think the self-titled b-sides [which includes such... gems... as Why Can't I Be Me? and Fake], then I think I've found your problem.
Have you been to one of these three hour gigs? I was at Santa Barbara and LA II, and they were incredible concerts. Tell me you wouldn't be pissed if The Cure started playing forty minute gigs. Really. Say it and try to make it believable.
And what do you mean you ask for good songs? They've given you those already, you silly man!
EDIT: This is my opinion of the 2004 sessions.
Lost - 9/10
Labyrinth - 9/10
Before Three - 8/10
Truth Goodness and Beauty - 9/10
The End of the World - 9/10
Anniversary - 10/10
Us or Them - 2/10
alt.end - 7/10
[I Don't Know What's Going] On - 3/10
Taking Off - 6/10
Never - 2/10
The Promise - 9/10
Going Nowhere - 10/10
Why Can't I Be Me? - 6/10
Your God is Fear - 10/10
This Morning - 10/10
Fake - 6/10
Average [Session] = 7.35
Average [Album] = 7.08
In my opinion, that is the rock bottom-est they've been since 1979.
Quote from: Bloodflower
First of all ... you silly man!
Well, you kinda contradict yourself, but all in all that (2004) album was a success, and it can be considered as lesser only by the cure standards.
There are no great new songs so far.
The Only One is fairly good, but I liked the earlier versions more.
NY Trip is fairly satisfying, but only because it sounds like so many cure songs
Down Under is OK. I think that could be a great song and it might grow on me...
The rest is
magnificently both under and over produced, and scarred by uninspired playing and incredibly lazy writing.
So far, it's murder I say, and I hope they don't get away with it!
:-D
My stand on the new songs thus far (for what it's worth).
Underneath The Stars is a sensation. A classic "Cure" moment & possibly a new Plainsong.
The Only One. Was always going to be a single & the singles are usually the weak links right? When I got the single I was pleasantly surprised that it had mor dimension than the European live version.
The Perfect Boy took a while, but it's another instant single choice. Lightweight & catchy. Nice tune tbh.
Fudshow was a pet hate of many including me. I saw it in the USA & was stunned at what they had done to the arrangement. Great single slightly reminiscent of I Dig You. Silly but still "Cure".
A Boy I Never Knew. What can I say? Something to rival Bloodflowers?
Sleep When I'm Dead. Live it was a corker. I likened it to old Mission stuff. Great. The single stinks though.
Baby Rag Dog Book. My pick of the bunch. That's the punk in me I guess. I hope they don't fcuk this up the same as they did to SWID.
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 19, 2008, 11:39:16
The songs The Cure releases as singles have NEVER been the best songs of the sessions:
Going Nowhere, This Morning, Bloodflowers, The Last Day of Summer, Want, Jupiter Crash, From the Edge, Open, Disintegration, The Same Deep Water, The Kiss, If Only Tonight, Sinking, Push, Shake Dog Shake, Birdmad Girl, The Figurehead, Pornography, All Cats Are Grey, Faith, At Night, Secrets, 10.15 Saturday Night, Fire In Cairo.....
Not one a single.
Yeah, but '10:15' was a B-side...
And 'Fire in Cairo' has SINGLE written all over it, I suppose it wasn't realeased as one only because in 1979 The Cure had already enough great singles...
Quote from: rodney on July 18, 2008, 22:51:44
Well, for one thing the songs sound emotional again (even if the lyrics usually aren't). There is an anger to the new songs that I think people are going to notice.
Come on, there was no lack of emotion in 'Bloodflowers' or 'The Cure'. The problems of those albums were of a different kind.
And you can find all the anger you need in songs like '39', 'Us or Them' or 'Lost' (even if only this last one is a great song).
Quote from: rodney on July 18, 2008, 22:51:44
I think Robert's voice sounds stronger than it has in a very long time on these songs, and it appears from the live performances that I've seen that the band believes in the material and enjoys playing it.
Robert's voice has ALWAYS been STRONG. That's one thing he has never lost (besides his sense of humour, that is... :-D). In some concerts he might have had problems due to some health condition or another, but that's all. In the self-titled album he sounds both powerful and passionate, even in songs that wouldn't merit such an emotional approach...
i'm backflipping again: these so-far-released new songs are growing on me. and Baby Rag Dog Book [or whatever it's called] ROCKS!! Bring the new album and bring it good and soon!!!
Quote from: [labyrinth] on July 14, 2008, 13:58:28
this is an exclusive by curefans.com:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2Qwi2HS8o
btw on-topic: the thread above still had the old link, here's the updated one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=773InkMQc18
Quote from: Steve on July 19, 2008, 10:41:19
Quote from: rodney on July 19, 2008, 01:31:51
How's yellow?
Much better.
The blue made my eyes water a bit.
Thx ;)
yellow might be better than blue at first, but it becomes totally impossible to read when someone quotes you, like here:
http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5344.msg54118.html#msg54118
that's just very hard to read, even if you try highlighting the text.
actually, it would be very nice if everyone used colors
only to enhance a few words here and there when absolutely needed, and not to color up all our posts from head to toe. i know some people like that because it's easy to spot your own posts that way, but you can just as well pick an avatar that really stands out :shock: ;). that'll do the same trick.
that way it's much more pleasant for everyone alike to read through what we're all saying - because i think
that's what we're mainly interested in, right? ;)
thanks everyone for your understanding.
the topic has been split.
please see here for the conversation about song rating etc!:
--> http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5432.0.html
let's keep this thread on-topic but please do keep on the conversation both fronts :smth023
ps. nothing has been deleted, just moved/split.
Do you want me to edit my post?
Quote from: japanesebaby on July 22, 2008, 14:24:03
Quote from: rodney on July 22, 2008, 14:18:48
Do you want me to edit my post?
on my behalf nobody needs to edit anything. i have not edited any post contents, but please do point me out if you think i did any unnecessary violence to your posts with the surgery operation and let's try to put it right.
i did try to split the topic so that all posts that didn't have any relation to 'sleep when i'm dead' are found in the new topic. i hope this doesn't cause annoyance and i hope i didn't manage to mess up the conversation for anyone. but there was simply two interesting conversations getting intertwined so the split was done for clarity purposes.
*edit: oh you mean the color, sorry i was dumb for a while. :-P
well i'll leave it up to you to decide, what comes to editing the old posts. but let's just not use yellow & co. in the future. ;)
Oh, no!
Now you'll have to split the topic again on the matter of color of the letters!!!
:-D
PS
Don't do that again, because if the topic works and comes to 100 posts it only means that people like it and you should leave it as it is! Now we have a dubious topic "About Rating Songs" and even more dubious about "Sleep When I'm Dead" ...
:?
hmm i wonder what eaxctly is "dubious" about it? :?:
both threads seem to me to be well alive.
i do see your point of course but the thread was completely derailing for a rather
long period of time (meaning several posts, not just one or two).
after all, this is supposed to be the news section.
(and i very well do understand what you mean by popular topics, but just to get something up to 100 posts is not the means itself: if it's 50 posts of this and 50 posts of that, i see two separate threads.)
*edit: Janko, why not please send the possible reply in a pm so we don't end up messing this thread even more?
+i've cleaned the thread a bit so that the "color section" won't bother you so much. :)
on-topic:
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 19, 2008, 03:02:32
i'm hoping that these mix13s are the reason, but I'm not sure how they can be "fixed" by the "real" mixes.... either way i'm gonna hold out until the record comes out... mind you it is fun watching you all vent your opinions!!!
i've actually decided not to buy/listen to any of the remaining singles (i've only heard first two) and wait until the album comes out. and if it's just as bad then it's just as bad and that's it - i can always sell it on ebay later... :-P. anyway i just don't want any of these annoying teasers that only hurt my ears and make me squirm... :x
i find myself humming Sleep.. all the time and listening to Down Under makes me happy. I remember thinking yesterday that the "songs are good" and growing on me.. and Baby Rag Dog Book rocks.. sure i typed that on another topic somewhere!!
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 22, 2008, 10:15:20
Bring the new album and bring it good and soon!!!
Yeah!! Good to see someone excited about the album. :smth023
I've liked all of the songs so far. Sure, they're not their best songs ever but I'm tired of comparing the new to the old. This is new Cure and we should all 'give it a go' and support them because they are THE CURE.
Bring on Oct. 13! :smth020
So far SWID is the least fave of the singles for me. I do enjoy the intro, and it's feel. But then it changes, and looses me. But it's not a bad song. But even the worst cure song EVER is better than half the crap they play on the radio these days.
Quote from: thecupcakegeisha on July 23, 2008, 10:28:50
I do enjoy the intro, and it's feel. But then it changes, and looses me.
funny that's what I think is the better part, after the intro...
Quote from: thecupcakegeisha on July 23, 2008, 10:28:50
But even the worst cure song EVER is better than half the crap they play on the radio these days.
I have to disagree. I know I'll probably be crucified as a heretic or worse, get negative karma points, but have you heard The Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
Quote from: thecupcakegeisha on July 23, 2008, 10:28:50
But even the worst cure song EVER is better than half the crap they play on the radio these days.
Well, but that also means that the worst Cure song ever is WORSE than THE OTHER HALF of the CRAP they play on the radio... Are you subtly trying to bash The Cure, or what? ;) :-D
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 23, 2008, 10:36:31
I have to disagree. I know I'll probably be crucified as a heretic or worse, get negative karma points, but have you heard The Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
Or "Friday I'm In Love"... :(
Quote from: firecrasher on July 23, 2008, 13:46:36
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 23, 2008, 10:36:31
I have to disagree. I know I'll probably be crucified as a heretic or worse, get negative karma points, but have you heard The Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
Or "Friday I'm In Love"... :(
Come on, those songs are great fun and catchy as hell. As far as silly pop songs go, it is hard to beat them, at least 'The Lovecats', which might just be the best song The Cure have ever done in this style.
I can imagine Cure fans who don't like their silly pop songs beying annoyed by those, it's only fair. But if you are the kind of fan that enjoys all Cure styles, I can't understand how you could possibly hate them...
Quote from: nausearockpigThe Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
The Lovecats saved The Cure. You have to admit at least that!
But it's a nice song, it takes some talent to make it work so good...
PS
As for SWID I have to say it IS better than Freakshow!
:smth023
@ Firecrasher: Friday I'm In Love is, in my opinion an actual pop song. It's filled with great lyrics, melodies, guitar playing and nice bass. Completely different to The Lovecats.
@ Revolt: that's your opinion and that's fine. I won't be swayed, but I clearly leave you confused. I do like all styles, just not all songs...
@ Janko: yes I believe that it helped bring them back into popularity but then i reckon it's the old fans that kept them going thru that phase. The album following The Lovecats, The Top was for the most, an insane record which was not overall "marketable" or "popular". It took The Head On The Door to pull The Cure back to fame, fortune and the mainstream and "Save" them.
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 24, 2008, 01:02:38
@ Firecrasher: Friday I'm In Love is, in my opinion an actual pop song. It's filled with great lyrics, melodies, guitar playing and nice bass. Completely different to The Lovecats.
@ Revolt: that's your opinion and that's fine. I won't be swayed, but I clearly leave you confused. I do like all styles, just not all songs...
OK, that's fine. There must be something peculiar about 'The Lovecats' that annoys the hell of you, because the same kind of appraisal that you gave 'Friday' could very well be applied to the 1983 song: 'Lovecats' has creative lyrics, a very groovy and memorable acoustic bass line, nice rhythm guitar and so on...
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 24, 2008, 01:02:38
@ Firecrasher: Friday I'm In Love is, in my opinion an actual pop song. It's filled with great lyrics, melodies, guitar playing and nice bass. Completely different to The Lovecats.
I don't hate the song, it's what made everyone at the Patriot Center finally get to their feet and start dancing! What I'm saying is that I don't consider it representative of the Cure's rather astonishing back catalog, and wish more people would take the time to listen to more than the hits.
All your comments on this single are interesting! I haven't got my copy as yet (it is in the mail) and I'm just busting to hear it... and I'm not going looking for it on the net either, as I want to hear it first from my own copy (CD & 7"!!)... I am so damned excited, at 35 odd years of age - I still get excited by The Cure. Gotta love those blokes!
@ Revolt. Well to me it's like this: Friday is a love song. It's a song with excellent guitar rhythm - playing it on the old six string is fun as. I love the different yet perfectly matched chord progressions of the different parts of the song. I love the sound of the guitar melody - if you listen to it really hard [try with good headphones], the melody "dances", for want of a better word, around the guitar chords and bass-lines.
The lyrics: I read somewhere once something like "the first time you hear the words, you want to pick up the phone and scream them down [the phone] to the one you love"... that's exactly what the lyrics encapsulate for me. They're so simple and perfect..
The Lovecats to me is a song that's not doesn't mean what a real song means. To me a song is meant to MEAN something. I'm not implying that every song The Cure does is meant to be heart or gut-wrenching but songs have a meaning or a feeling or sensation or a memory [like when you hear them they take you back to that girl or that time]. Or a reason even. To me The Lovecats is just an empty shell of a song. And it shits me when people relate my fave band to a song that is so meaningless to me..
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 29, 2008, 10:32:56
@ Revolt. Well to me it's like this: Friday is a love song. It's a song with excellent guitar rhythm - playing it on the old six string is fun as. I love the different yet perfectly matched chord progressions of the different parts of the song. I love the sound of the guitar melody - if you listen to it really hard [try with good headphones], the melody "dances", for want of a better word, around the guitar chords and bass-lines.
The lyrics: I read somewhere once something like "the first time you hear the words, you want to pick up the phone and scream them down [the phone] to the one you love"... that's exactly what the lyrics encapsulate for me. They're so simple and perfect..
The Lovecats to me is a song that's not doesn't mean what a real song means. To me a song is meant to MEAN something. I'm not implying that every song The Cure does is meant to be heart or gut-wrenching but songs have a meaning or a feeling or sensation or a memory [like when you hear them they take you back to that girl or that time]. Or a reason even. To me The Lovecats is just an empty shell of a song. And it shits me when people relate my fave band to a song that is so meaningless to me..
I think that's a good explanation. However I have some doubts as to whether 'Friday' is really a love song. Sure, it talks about "being in love", but the way it goes about it seems to indicate that it really is just some sort of whimsical child-play with words, sort of nursery-rhyme thing, not a song about the real feeling. In short, it's not a song with ANY REAL MEANING, just a pop song that happens to mention 'love' in its lyrics, like a million others.
The same could be said of 'Lovecats', sure, but because it takes that 'whimsical approach' even further, it makes it more fun, at least for me. Also, I think it sounds 'fresher' than 'Friday', and in the case of meaningless-catchy-pop-songs, which I think both of these are, that makes a difference, for the better...
Compositions are OK but the drummer is the weak point in The Cure nowadays!
Boris drumming was powerful and had a real presence in Roberts compositions.
Even Robert (look in Wikipedia. Search for Just Like Heaven) says that Boris`drumming inspired him to give Just Like Heaven that tempo and inspired Robert to introduce each instrument singularly and in sequence.
Boris was a great inspiration in the band... Jason is just there playing the first thing that comes to his head. It´s sad but true!
Quote from: patitodark on August 01, 2008, 20:04:06
Compositions are OK but the drummer is the weak point in The Cure nowadays!
Boris drumming was powerful and had a real presence in Roberts compositions.
Even Robert (look in Wikipedia. Search for Just Like Heaven) says that Boris`drumming inspired him to give Just Like Heaven that tempo and inspired Robert to introduce each instrument singularly and in sequence.
Boris was a great inspiration in the band... Jason is just there playing the first thing that comes to his head. It´s sad but true!
hmmmm :shock:
I am in awe of any drummer.. Guitar is hard enuff to learn!
take it easy on Boris.. just remember that Ringo was not the first choice for the Beatles ,.. ( I know.. this IS NOT A BEATLES FORUM. :smth023 )
... I remember Boris performance in Melbourne... breathtaking! ( even though he was totally hidden by the instruments! )
:smth020
Quote from: Janko on July 23, 2008, 18:48:50
Quote from: nausearockpigThe Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
The Lovecats saved The Cure. You have to admit at least that!
But it's a nice song, it takes some talent to make it work so good...
PS
As for SWID I have to say it IS better than Freakshow!
:smth023
oohh you guys... I love 'Lovecats' ... quirky, attention-grabbing, and just what we needed amongst the 'crap' aussie music at the time.... I love Robert's vocals on this song, and it has always been a favourite for me here.. ;)
yes... it never made sense to me in the 80's, and still makes me wonder now, but WOW..
it is not thier 'best' release, but we 'got' it here in OZ !
:smth020
I like The Lovecats a lot, because it's happy song :)
Like their pop song anyway. It's makes fun to listen to them :)
SWID is a wonderful song full stop :D
Quote from: nausearockpig on July 23, 2008, 10:36:31
I have to disagree. I know I'll probably be crucified as a heretic or worse, get negative karma points, but have you heard The Lovecats? I can't begin to describe how ill that song makes me feel when I hear it and worse when people go "oh yeah The Cure, with that song Love Cats??" GGGGRRRRRRrrrrrrrr.........
hey there
j .. ;)
.. you are not crucified for your opinion.. let that be known. :smth023
each to his / her own !! :D
I must say Sleep When I'm Dead is my least favorite so far, not a chorus I can imagine myself singing along to at Cure shows. As far as Lovecats goes, Robert must really hate that song, the way he plays it live, ha! Well, it was basically made to ridicule the pop genre at the time, do something really shallow, and to show that The Cure didn't take themselves too seriously, but I like it. What's so funny about their "stupid pop songs" is that many people know and love The Cure thanks to them. Oh poor Robert, he must die a little inside every time people at Cure shows "respond" and sing along to the "stupid pop songs" and then stand around awkwardly listening to songs like Faith... ;)
by the way, the other guy (besides robert) behind the production of the recent singles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Uddin
"Other artists included here are The Cure, Nick Cave, Madonna, Atomic Kitten, Oasis..."
oasis - ok perhaps that explains a lot...(?) :?
"Keith Uddin is considered as one of the best engineers and mixers in the music industry..."
hmm. :roll:
Ok, I've got my copy now, and I am loving Down Under. LOL, I always seem to love the B-Side more than the single. But Freakshow is still the best outta the bunch for me... so far!
sleep when i'm dead and freakshow are my fav so far, i asked for a friend to buy me sleep when i'm dead, and i'm so excited to get it! the original thing is much better and exciting than the download:P u can't ever compare!
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 10, 2008, 11:24:45
"Keith Uddin is considered as one of the best engineers and mixers in the music industry..."
That's what wikipedia is about: write your own biography-article. ;)
I have to say that I really like Down Under. Also The Only One is growing on me now, I didn't take to it in the beginning... but thats usually the way it goes! For my two pence/cents worth Freakshow is so far the best of the bunch!
my friend bought me Freakshow :D ahh i'm so excited to get itt :smth023
I think "Sleep when I'm dead" is a mix of 2005-2008 live versions of
"the walk" and "let's go to bed"
the ones without a lot of "Porl's guitar" and without keyboards"...
like I listening more and more this song, I love it more and more :P especially version from MSG :smth023