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Title: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on February 24, 2022, 10:20:02
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on February 24, 2022, 13:50:30
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Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 24, 2022, 16:47:39
So he dared... I must confess that I was on a Ukraine forum for a while. After about 60 posts I asked the admin to delete my profile. It was too intense. Free expression of opinion was severely restricted. That was back in 2014. The history of Russia begins in Ukraine. But that is all! At the moment I'm quite upset and I'm thinking of someone who lives near Zaporozhye. And I thank Japan in particular for wanting to participate in the sanctions.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 06, 2022, 20:07:33
Better late than never goes a Russian proverb. 🤨



PS: To be fair, it should be said that the EU was (are) too slow and NATO too hesitant. This refers to the former civil war in Yugoslavia, for example, and to necessary reforms in Brussels. Unfortunately, I have to say that this policy of 'doing nothing' also made massacres like the one in Srebrenica possible. In addition, Putin must have historical understanding. This year we commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad (eighty years ago) and in two years the end of the civil war in Russia (100 years ago). So the intervention in Ukraine is not accidental.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on March 07, 2022, 16:00:51
A very good explanation on why we are discussing this topic today:

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 07, 2022, 19:05:39
I hope you're still alive tomorrow...😟

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 09, 2022, 11:48:32
QuoteVideo released by Ukrainian Ground Forces on Tuesday showed destroyed Russian vehicles in Sumy region.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on March 12, 2022, 12:16:41
Biden says world must 'strive to prevent' World War III

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 13, 2022, 10:06:38
Hmm...diplomatic crises and regional conflicts led to the First World War. The assassination in Sarajevo was only the trigger. 🤔
You can still watch this video without hesitation.


PS: I refrained from sharing another video. It already had over a million clicks and showed, among other things, a little boy from near Charkov who was hit in the head and had to have emergency surgery. I hope he's on the mend...
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 17, 2022, 11:19:22
The 'Z' possibly stands for (Volodymyr) Zelensky.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on March 18, 2022, 18:22:40
QuoteVladimir Putin warned he would cleanse Russia of the "**** and traitors" he accuses of working covertly for the U.S. and its allies. He accused the West of trying to destroy Russia. Putin spoke in a televised video conference from a residence outside Moscow on Wednesday. (Russian with English subtitles, video source is RU-RTR)

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 20, 2022, 09:52:44
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 29, 2022, 16:25:47
Many vehicles carry a double Z. Is that the offensive on the second try?

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 30, 2022, 11:15:32
The Bundeswehr helmets have probably arrived...

QuoteUkrainian soldiers inspected a damaged village on Tuesday in the Kyiv region retaken from Russian forces.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on April 08, 2022, 13:28:12
Here is the official video for 'Hey Hey Rise Up', Pink Floyd's new Ukraine fundraiser feat Andriy Khlyvnyuk of Boombox.
Stream / download at http://pinkfloyd.lnk.to/HeyHeyRiseUp

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 09, 2022, 11:10:40
Ursula has b*lls of st**l. Respect!

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 11, 2022, 16:36:06
Note the fresh graves. A picture sometimes says more than a thousand words.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 11, 2022, 19:10:19
Battle scenes from Eastern Ukraine (graphic content; not for children).

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on April 13, 2022, 15:21:13
Can't say the Ukrainian government is acting very wisely here...

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/deutschland/innenpolitik/id_92008410/ukraine-laedt-bundespraesident-steinmeier-aus-dieser-affront-wird-folgen-haben.html

QuoteDeutschland öffentlich zu brüskieren, hilft niemandem. Die Regierung mag zu zögerlich in ihrer Unterstützung sein und das kann man ihr vorwerfen. Aber an der Frage, auf wessen Seite sie in diesem Krieg steht, gibt es keine Zweifel. Die Absage wird es Bundeskanzler Olaf Scholz nicht erleichtern, sondern erschweren, mehr Hilfe zu leisten. Wenn er jetzt der Forderung des ukrainischen Botschafters nachkommt, in die Ukraine zu reisen, fällt er damit dem Bundespräsidenten in den Rücken.

Es sollte auch nicht ganz vergessen werden, dass Deutschland nach den USA vor dem Krieg der zweitgrößte Geldgeber für die Ukraine war. Wer Deutschland öffentlich brüskiert, riskiert auch, dass sich die Stimmung in der Bevölkerung wendet. 
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 13, 2022, 16:39:33
Quote from: Alexander Müller (FDP)Everything is secret.


PS: Let's stick to the facts: "Invited" were Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Sarkozy. EU representatives, including U. von der Leyen, appeared - by the way, not with 'empty hands', which Ukraine obviously values. The German President has no real powers. He should and can only moderate/represent. In addition, Mr. Steinmeier only recently publicly admitted his own "failure". Only he stands like no other for the policy of appeasement and maintenance of the status quo, not only towards the Russian Federation, but generally towards states where human rights are violated on a daily basis. The justification given was always that 'we also have to talk to these states'. We now see where this has led. In other words: he should actually take responsibility and give up his office, because he stands for a different time. To say 'we were wrong and just carry on' is grotesque.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on April 14, 2022, 11:14:39
Quote from: MeltingMan on April 13, 2022, 16:39:33The justification given was always that 'we also have to talk to these states'. We now see where this has led. In other words: he should actually take responsibility and give up his office, because he stands for a different time. To say 'we were wrong and just carry on' is grotesque.

Well if that's the case, our whole government should "give up office". Plus many other countries' governments too. (And btw, Ukraine and Russia are also still "talking" with each other!)

Let's just hope the relations between those countries will go back to "normal" after this unpleasant "affront"!
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 19, 2022, 20:22:01
QuoteThe 43rd Artillery Brigade demonstrated the work of the 2S7 "Pion" self-propelled artillery.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 23, 2022, 10:27:25

To cut a long story short: I'm definitely in favor of a lend-lease program like the one that existed for the Soviet Union at the time. It was crucial to the war. The Federal Republic is already helping in a number of ways, only too little is being said about it. Added to this are the demands of the Ukrainian government in 'war rhetoric'. But we don't want to be drawn into the conflict, and I think I can speak for many Germans on that. The opponents have to work this out among themselves. They have the potential to do so. There is no doubt that Putin has repeatedly crossed the red line. In addition, fears are fueled that have a significant impact on public opinion. We need to analyze very carefully what has gone wrong since 1990. Relentless...
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on April 23, 2022, 12:06:15
Quote from: MeltingMan on April 23, 2022, 10:27:25But we don't want to be drawn into the conflict, and I think I can speak for many Germans on that. The opponents have to work this out among themselves.

I do agree. It's a thin line between "helping" and "being drawn into it".
The most dominant partner within the Nato is the USA and they're across the ocean, thus our "safety" won't mean as much to them as it means to us.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 03, 2022, 16:38:11
QuoteMore than half of the M777 howitzer artillery units promised to Ukraine by the Pentagon have been delivered, according to US Defence officials.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 05, 2022, 16:41:08
Not the best picture quality, but I think it goes quite well with the previous post.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 06, 2022, 19:42:08
QuoteZmiinyi Island, or Snake Island, is where Ukrainian soldiers reportedly told a Russian warship crew to go "f***" themselves early in the war, a story that was commemorated by a postage stamp released in April.

When the war is over, I would like to go on vacation there. 😎

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 09, 2022, 10:30:59
Note the blast... exploding ammo inside the tank.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 10, 2022, 11:30:34
Excellent...

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 15, 2022, 19:46:37
Perfect...

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 17, 2022, 16:39:30
 :smth023

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 19, 2022, 16:25:18
QuoteWorld Embroidery Day, known locally as Vyshyvanka, takes place in Ukraine on 21st May. The holiday promotes the tradition of creating and wearing embroidered Ukrainian clothes known as vyshyvanka.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 26, 2022, 11:22:48
Quote from: WikipediaThe FH155-1 field howitzer is a wheeled field howitzer with a caliber of 155 mm that was developed in the late 1960s for the armies of various European NATO countries. About 500 pieces were produced in Europe until 1982, and Japan also produced the weapon under license.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 27, 2022, 17:15:56
Here's the sequel...if you will.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 01, 2022, 19:38:50
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 02, 2022, 16:53:09
QuotePro-Russian forces blast Ukrainian city defences with Hyacinth-B field guns near the city of Avdiivka.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 16, 2022, 17:09:05
Finally... I like that Mr Draghi, Mr Macron and Mr Scholz took the night train from Poland.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 22, 2022, 19:54:59
The PzH 2000 finally found their way to the front and have been in action since early morning.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on June 25, 2022, 16:28:43
London first target if WW3

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 28, 2022, 17:25:03
The war continues unabated. Here's a direct hit...

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 30, 2022, 09:04:32
QuoteThe Russian 2S4 Tyulpan 240mm mortar carrier only has a range of about 9.6 km and has to be near the front line.


Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 24, 2022, 10:06:02
QuoteThe General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reported that between 24th February and 22nd July, Russia had lost about 39,000 personnel, 1,704 tanks, 3,920 armoured combat vehicles, 863 artillery units, 251 multiple launch rocket systems, 113 air defence systems, 221 warplanes, 188 helicopters, 713 drones, 167 cruise missiles, 15 warships, 2,781 motor vehicles and fuel tankers, and 72 units of special equipment.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on August 08, 2022, 18:54:40
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on August 14, 2022, 12:45:00
Posing for Vogue during a war...

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on August 14, 2022, 22:06:21
agree 100% with the journalist opinion:

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on September 10, 2022, 10:45:47
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on September 16, 2022, 18:26:47
Russia still has 400 of these 'monsters' in reserve. Only one has been destroyed so far. A total of eight are still in use (source: Wikipedia). The large caliber belies the short firing range with normal ammunition, only about 10 km.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on September 19, 2022, 11:31:06
16:10 😄  :smth023 

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on September 21, 2022, 13:19:15
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on October 10, 2022, 13:55:48
Putin's response to the Crimea bridge blast

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 01, 2022, 16:15:30
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 02, 2022, 17:03:19
QuoteThis footage released by the Kastus Kalinouski Regiment, a regiment of Belarusian fighters fighting for Ukraine, shows pro-Ukrainian forces firing a 12.7-mm Browning M2 machine gun at Russian positions.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 05, 2022, 16:46:10
QuoteThe blasts early Monday struck the airbase near the city of Engels, more than 600 kilometers inside Russian territory.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 17, 2022, 11:00:37
'Hit and Run' tactics against a powerful opponent.  :neutral-face

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on January 09, 2023, 11:06:56
QuoteRussia seems to need allies to invade Ukraine.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on January 24, 2023, 11:28:15
Pictures reminiscent of the First World War. :neutral-face

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on January 25, 2023, 16:26:51
8:20 Here you can clearly see the ring arrangement of the ammunition - a disadvantage of older Soviet Russian tanks.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 03, 2023, 08:41:39
QuoteFreddy Versluys has a big warehouse full of second-hand tanks for sale. The German-made Leopard 1 tanks have brought him into the spotlight over the past few days, as he has engaged in a public battle with Belgian Defence Minister Ludivine Dedonder over the possibility of sending them to Ukraine.

Dedonder has said the government has explored the idea of buying back tanks to send them to Ukraine. But she has blasted the prices quoted as "unreasonable" and "extremely high". Tanks sold for 10-15,000 euros each are being offered for sale at 500,000 euros, despite not being operational, she has said.
🤑 'Kriegsgewinnler'...not very flattering, I'll admit. It's time they came to the front. That's what they were designed and built for. Now they have to prove themselves.   

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 06, 2023, 08:32:27
QuoteTwo Ukrainian brothers turned cannoneers fire German-made howitzers in the Donbas frontline.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 08, 2023, 11:12:04
The armor of the aged Leopard 1 no longer meets today's standards. There must certainly still be improved if the crew is to survive. The cannon, on the other hand, is excellent.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 25, 2023, 17:13:56
This is just a start. It took long enough. Watch out for the big cats!

QuotePoland has delivered its first Leopard tanks to Ukraine, the country's president and its defence minister told a meeting of the National Security Council on Friday (February 24).

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on February 26, 2023, 18:55:23
70-year-old tanks? Boy-oh-boy...  :1f633:  :1f635:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ukraine/id_100134992/russland-schickt-panzer-btr-50-in-die-ukraine-sie-sind-so-alt-wie-putin.html

QuoteRussland schickt offenbar Panzer aus der Zeit des Kalten Krieges in den Angriffskrieg gegen die Ukraine. Das legen Beiträge russischer Militärblogger im Messenger-Dienst Telegram nahe, die das Kriegsgerät in Bewegung zeigen.

"Russlands antike BTR-50 Transportpanzer wurden aus den Lagern geholt und auf dem Weg in die Ukraine gesichtet", schreibt der Militärblog "Defence Blog".
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 27, 2023, 09:04:44
QuoteThe President of Ukraine held a meeting with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
:1f62e:

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 02, 2023, 16:46:37
Very good hit location, only the course of the front is very reminiscent of that of Demyansk in 1943.  :1f631:

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 04, 2023, 11:17:49
After reading some irritating comments, I have to say something here: I think there is a misunderstanding in Kiev and Washington about the dilemma in which Germany and France find themselves. This is the only way to understand that Berlin and Paris pushed Ukraine into negotiations with the Kremlin. Why sacrifice something that has grown over thirty years and beyond? I think Olaf Scholz was trying to refute the accusation of "blackmail" in the tank issue with this trip. As far as his "hesitancy" is concerned, I must remind you that the USA only intervened in World War I and World War II after a long hesitation. Of course, one has to admit that Berlin initially underestimated the Ukrainians' will to persevere. However, I have no idea how Kiev intends to achieve its war goals.  :?

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 08, 2023, 11:36:44
And we thought THESE pictures will not come back. It is very reminiscent of the Demyansk bottleneck.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 13, 2023, 11:57:07
I would return all the Oscars.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 19, 2023, 09:21:20
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 22, 2023, 20:06:01
QuoteThe bloc aims to deliver 1 million 155-millimeter artillery shells to Ukraine in the next 12 months as well as replenish EU stocks.

Apparently, the Ukrainians use up to 9,000 pieces of this caliber... a day.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 25, 2023, 19:17:54
QuoteREPORT: U.S. PROBING SWISS BANKS COMPLIANCE WITH SANCTIONS;
:smth023

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 28, 2023, 12:43:02
Rare shots of a French TRF1 in action.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 30, 2023, 19:55:36
Bakhmut is becoming the Verdun of the East. Here is a captured gun in action. Hold on guys.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 31, 2023, 16:14:38
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 30, 2023, 19:55:36Bakhmut is becoming the Verdun of the East.

I'm saddened to hear this. So many lives lost.  :'(
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 04, 2023, 16:30:06
QuotePutin's defeat to be expected in October - an interview with military expert Keupp

In an interview with ZDFheute live, military expert Keupp paints a disastrous picture of the Russian army. He expects Ukraine to win in October. Is the Russian army in such bad shape that it suffered a defeat in October's war of aggression against Ukraine? Military expert Marcus Keupp assumes this and explains the reasons live in an interview with ZDFheute:

According to estimates by military analysts, Russia will soon have lost 10,000 heavy weapon systems and tanks, according to Keupp. That is a rate of attrition that Russia cannot sustain. "It's actually only a matter of time before they run out of reserves."

In addition, the repurchase of 25 Leopard 2 from Switzerland by Rheinmetall is as good as done. After being put back into service, they are destined for Ukraine.  :smth023
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 24, 2023, 16:51:21
I am pleased that the two blocks that have this beautiful exterior are still standing. Hold on guys. The opponent burns his last reserves in Bakhmut. You make history; I pray for you... :angel


For comparison: post #46. Then two have been destroyed so far.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on April 29, 2023, 11:10:48
I am sceptical. Should Bakhmut fall, the offensive towards the Sea of Azov is in jeopardy anyway, and especially with regard to the First World War, there are plenty of examples of failed offensives on both sides if certain branches of arms/alliance partners do not work together. Ukraine is therefore well advised when, where and whether to attack at all.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 06, 2023, 11:21:27
"The future is the past" once said the great Sören Kierkegaard. Who would have thought that Leopard 1/2's could possibly do side by side what they were once designed to do.  :smth023 

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 09, 2023, 19:28:39
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on May 20, 2023, 11:38:28
There may be an encirclement here. This reminds me of the battle-hardened 6th Army, which once took months to take Stalingrad. They were badly prepared for house-to-house fighting and there were too few high-angle weapons. Nevertheless, I would say everything has been done right so far when I see these pictures.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 03, 2023, 11:59:54
QuoteThe state-owned Swiss armaments company RUAG would like to be able to export 96 Leopard 1 main battle tanks. The decision should come soon.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on June 06, 2023, 15:11:42
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65818705

QuoteA huge dam in the Russian-controlled area of southern Ukraine has been destroyed, unleashing a flood of water.

Ukraine's military and Nato have accused Russia of blowing up the dam, while Russia has blamed Ukraine.

Thousands of people are being evacuated from communities in the surrounding areas, with fears that any flooding could be catastrophic.

 :'( 
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 07, 2023, 16:18:43
Quote from: UlrichUkraine's military and Nato have accused Russia of blowing up the dam, while Russia has blamed Ukraine.

The news situation changes every hour, but first I had to think of the 'Dambusters'. But wait, wasn't there something about 'underwater sabotage' and no one claims it was?!  :? However, man-made floods have already occurred in earlier conflicts - of course to hinder or harm the opponent.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 09, 2023, 12:29:29
Quote from: P. RonzheimerSome questions almost annoyed him [Zelenskyy].

I would be too if I were him. Ukraine urgently needs a military success and the enemy has learned from it. And then you have to ask yourself what else is subject to military secrecy. By the way, as early as 2014, I was of the opinion that B-52s should symbolically fly over Crimea, indeed. :1f633:  In theory, Air Defender 23 could establish the necessary air superiority regionally. The first 24 hours are crucial in a counter-offensive, I don't like using that word very much anymore. In short, both sides have to blame themselves for the media "sausage" of the conflict.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: nerdiee on June 24, 2023, 12:22:04
I don't understand well what is really happening, but now it seems that a military mutiny has begun in our country .. Prigozhin was accused of a military mutiny .. a special regime was introduced in Moscow and many roads are blocked and disturbing strange things are happening in Rostov, a lot of military equipment and in some places seems to be a shootout?.. i'm very ignorant in this things, i don't watch the news... I don't think this will end well

it looks like a coup d'état or a civil war are coming in Russia,it was very expected, everyone was waiting for it
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on June 24, 2023, 13:44:38
Well, the situation is not very clear, especially when watching from afar.

German news site reports this:
QuoteBugayevka befindet sich in der Region Woronesch. Deren gleichnamige Hauptstadt haben die Wagner-Söldner zumindest teilweise unter ihre Kontrolle gebracht, wobei sie offenkundig auf nicht allzu viel Gegenwehr russischer Soldaten und Sicherheitskräfte gestoßen sind.

Prigoschin: "Wir sind Patrioten"
Anzeichen für eine Attacken der russischen Armee auf die Wagner-Söldner geben bislang lediglich Luftangriffe, etwa auf ein Öl-Depot in Woronesch. Das berichten mehrere Militärblogger und Beobachter der Lage in Russland. Auch ein Wagner-Konvoi nahe der Stadt soll getroffen worden sein, wie ein Reuters-Journalist beobachtete.

Prigoschin und seine Wagner-Truppen proben seit Freitagabend den bewaffneten Aufstand gegen die Militärführung in Moskau. Berichten zufolge haben sie dabei neben Woronesch auch die Stadt Rostow am Don unter ihre Kontrolle gebracht. Inzwischen ziehen die Söldner weiter nach Norden, in Richtung Moskau.
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/id_100197278/russland-180-soldaten-von-putin-ergeben-sich-wagner-soeldnern.html


BBC reports:
QuoteYevgeny Prigozhin calls it his "March of Justice". Vladimir Putin says it is a "criminal escapade" and an "armed mutiny". One senior Russian commander has called it "a coup".

Whatever you call it, the Wagner chief has gone for broke to try to topple Russia's military leadership.

This had been brewing. For months there has been very public infighting between Wagner and Russia's ministry of defence over how the war in Ukraine has been fought.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66007017

QuoteA video has emerged of Prigozhin telling a deputy defence minister and a general in Rostov on Friday that until the two main military figures come and talk to him, his mercenaries will block off the city and head for Moscow.

There are reports of a military helicopter being shot down and of a Wagner convoy heading north up the M4 motorway in the Voronezh region north of Rostov.

Prigozhin's quarrel is not with Russian soldiers in Ukraine, but with the "clowns" leading them, he argues. Several generals have appealed for him to calm down, but that seems too late.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66006880
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on June 25, 2023, 09:33:17
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142

QuoteYevgeny Prigozhin, the head of the Wagner mercenary group, is to leave Russia for Belarus after calling off his troops' rebellion
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on June 26, 2023, 22:31:57
On the recent events with the Wagner group...
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on June 27, 2023, 12:38:47
The lush green in the pictures is deceptive. The city [Bakhmut] itself looks as if a small atomic bomb fell there. Spooky - no more life. Ammunition must be saved. I think that applies to both sides. Otherwise we have this 'shooting at sparrows with cannons' absurdity. But the fact that you don't have to take cover after every shot, like a year ago on the Ukrainian side, shows how effective you've become.  :frowning:

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 05, 2023, 17:36:52
Reports with Sergij Osachuk are rare, like this one, which is 'only' in German. The pressure on the Russians around Bakhmut is being maintained, according to the former governor of the Chernivtsi region. In addition, the enemy has air superiority. What do you say to that, Mr. Stoltenberg?

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 13, 2023, 19:32:16
Quote from: WELT-NachrichtenHARD CRITICISM OF NATO: "A cheek to say Ukraine should be more grateful"

To be honest, I don't really like watching shots of Leopard tanks left on the battlefield. For months there was a dispute about sending these tanks. That first and then the question must be allowed how many weapons were actually paid for! Much of the material is only borrowed or even given as a gift. Unfortunately, Putin's remark that the West is fighting to the last Ukrainian is true. On the other hand, it is incomprehensible that aid from the West should be unselfish. I find this expectation false. And on top of that, reconstruction also costs money. And the German reunification was also expensive etc. etc. 🤑
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 16, 2023, 11:03:58
She is the queen of the battlefield, according to Stalin. These recordings prove it. The first Leopard 1 should arrive soon.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 24, 2023, 18:13:19
Quote from: WikipediaThe Mod 56 has a number of unique characteristics for a weapon of its caliber, including the ability for its crew to manhandle the gun (due to its light weight), and the capability of being used in the direct fire role. Being a pack howitzer, it is designed to be broken down into 12 parts, each of which can be transported easily.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on July 31, 2023, 18:24:46
Note the Suwalki Gap at 4:50.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on August 02, 2023, 18:13:54
Seen often, but the music is really  :cool  this time.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on August 09, 2023, 17:05:08
Quote from: Stuttgarter ZeitungAccording to a media report, the armaments group Rheinmetall is preparing another export of Leopard main battle tanks to Ukraine.

The company has acquired around 50 older Leopard 1 tanks from the Belgian company OIP Land Systems, the newspaper Handelsblatt reported, citing industry circles.

The "Handelsblatt" reported that the tanks should now be re-equipped at the German locations of the Düsseldorf Rheinmetall Group for use in the Ukraine.

Ultimately, around 30 of the remanufactured tanks could be delivered.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on August 21, 2023, 15:49:47
Ukrainian artillerymen are becoming more and more precise considering where Luhansk is on the map. They know how fatal it is when only one of those heavy mortars is overlooked. I was impressed by the dense forest and the two rows of trees. I understand why Putin cares so much about the region when he says: "You'll never get Donbass back."

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on November 11, 2023, 12:46:14
News from Bakhmut - the place seems almost forgotten or what is going on there. It is now the case that Western-design tanks that have been hit are towed away, examined and, if possible, repaired.  :smth023


QuoteThe video shows an exercise of 3 fighter tanks Leopard 1 in a sharp shot on the Klietz military training area. Between the practice phases, Lieutenant General Andreas Marlow explains a lot about the elements of the exercise and their participants.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on November 13, 2023, 14:12:03
Zelensky losing support...

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 07, 2023, 17:01:05
QuoteMilitary reconnaissance personnel of the West group of troops in the Kupyansk direction identified fortified strongholds in which manpower and military equipment of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were hiding. After receiving the command to destroy the detected targets, the crew of the Tyulpan self-propelled mortar immediately moved to an unprepared firing position. At the same time, the drone operators indicated a safe route for the mortarmen, and air defense crews covered them from attacks by Ukrainian MLRS and attack drones.


Russia has so far reactivated 50 vehicles of this type. With the current loss rate, you can easily draw on the reserves well into the next decade. How much land area Ukraine will have lost by then can only be guessed at. How does the West plan to make up for its inferiority on the battlefield? Current images of Leopard tanks being disabled show that the Ukrainians also have to learn. The Bundeswehr's crash courses alone are not enough.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on December 22, 2023, 12:24:37
Quote from: WELT nachrichtenUKRAINE WAR: Large mobilization! Ukrainian army wants to draft an additional 500,000 men

First of all, Mr. Z. should stand for re-election. Otherwise he runs the risk of becoming a dictator and that doesn't help anyone. This war is a tragedy - undoubtedly. It's not about predicting defeat. Russia is superior in almost all respects. There is nothing to interpret. It is good that talks will soon take place in neutral Switzerland. I hope both sides are aware of their responsibility, because the fate of hundreds of thousands of people is at stake here. The mass use of combat drones on the Ukrainian side can only mean that artillery ammunition is being saved or, in fact, is not available. There is also a certain amount of pipe wear. Is Russia ready to negotiate over Crimea? It almost seems so, because they obviously cannot hold on to Donbass and Crimea at the same time. That's the weak point. A rotation procedure for frontline soldiers is mandatory.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on January 03, 2024, 15:42:03
Quote from: Deutschlandfunk, 02.01.2024As the Green politician Schäfer announced, the 18 Leopard-2 fighting tanks delivered in March last year are very few. On one hand, there are no spare parts, on the other hand, there were mistakes in Ukraine during repair attempts. In a letter to the armaments companies Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, Schäfer called for quick remedy. Above all, the missing spare parts would have to be procured. Before Christmas, the green politician had visited a repair workshop in Lithuania together with Defense Minister Pistorius.

Leopards prefer to hunt... warthogs.  ;) There are also successes that are rarely reported (see below). Shouldn't Ukraine be enabled to produce the Leo 1 under license... or Poland or Lithuania in the face of Russian air superiority?

Quote from: WikipediaOne of the Leopard 1A5 tank crews interviewed by French news AFP in November 2023 indicated they had already seen combat, having been able to hit Russian targets from 3.5-5km distance and inflict casualties without the Russians being able to strike back.[77]

 :smth023
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on January 18, 2024, 16:39:41
QuoteCommander Roman and his crew are deployed at the front with a Leopard 2 tank. During a battle they come under heavy fire and are massively damaged. The German-made tank still brings them to safety. The soldiers show ntv exclusively their mistreated military equipment.


The pictures prove it: the Leopard 2 is too heavy for the Ukrainian terrain. So it wasn't very wise to turn away ten Leopard 1s, especially since the cry for weapons from Kiev continues. I don't like the whole sound from there. Added to this is the attitude of the West as a whole and the reporting, not just in the private media, which fluctuates between conscious exaggeration and self-fulfilling prophecies. Citizens really have other concerns! If cruise missiles are actually supplied by the West, it is only a matter of time before missiles fall on Warsaw, Berlin, etc. Seriously...  :pouting-face
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 08, 2024, 19:02:48
Quote from: France 24 EnglishVolodymyr Zelensky has named Oleksandr Syrsky as the new commander in chief of Ukraine's armed forces. Syrsky was the commander of the ground forces and one of the two men tipped to suceed Valery Zaluzhny in the months of speculation about the possibility that Zaluzhny would be dismissed.

You don't hear anything from Sergij Osachuk.  :anguished:

In this context, I have to think of 1916. The German Reichstag approved the war loans, also with the approval of the party, which today provides the Chancellor. As a result, the First World War was only extended. In July 1918, the German Reich had the greatest extent. In this respect, the sentence is correct that an empire properly rears up again before it goes down. We know what happened after the ceasefire. The list of (Soviet-)Russian interventions after 1945 is long and ... apparently forgotten. The West not only has the chance, but the obligation to do it better now.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on February 10, 2024, 09:08:31
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68255302

QuoteUS talk show host Tucker Carlson's interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin began with a rambling half-hour lecture on the history of Russia and Ukraine.

Historians say the litany of claims made by Mr Putin are nonsense - representing nothing more than a selective abuse of history to justify the ongoing war in Ukraine.

Regardless of the historical realities, none of Putin's assertions would form a legal justification for his invasion.
:unamused:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 13, 2024, 08:48:40
QuoteTucker Carlson's interview with Russian President Vladimir Putin began with a rambling half-hour lecture on the history of Russia and Ukraine.

This interview is welcome Campaign assistance for Mr. Trump. If R. Reagan were still alive, I'm sure he would find the right words.  :smirk:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 15, 2024, 18:29:22
QuoteClergy in Russia who speak out against the invasion of Ukraine risk losing their freedom. The Russian Orthodox Church officially supports what the Kremlin describes as a "special military operation."

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on February 24, 2024, 18:44:05
QuoteOver twenty years ago, the former secretary general of Nato, George Robertson, visited Moscow and held talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Putin was exasperated at the Celebrations for D-Day 2014. Merkel had to appease him. Everyone else looked away ... took no note from it.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 11, 2024, 11:18:47
QuoteIn an interview that has so far only been partly in public, Pope Francis comments on the continuing war in Ukraine. Without calling the country, he calls Ukraine to "Courage to the White Flag" and negotiations. The full interview will be broadcast on March 20.

Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 11, 2024, 16:14:41
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 11, 2024, 11:18:47[ and negotiations.

Well, from all the reports I heard Putin has so far said "no" to any kind of negotiation, no idea why some people think they need to suggest that.  :1f636:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 12, 2024, 12:41:45
As far as I know, Turkey has signaled that it will act as a mediator. A greater gift cannot be given to Mr. Erdogan, who will not run again. The "white flag" remark was unfortunate. I think the Pope wanted to make it clear that Ukraine can ask for negotiations without losing face. For my part, I have seen and heard enough. Sure, negotiations can only be a first step, but in the end it could actually be worth it for both sides, unless you want a global war. :frowning:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 12, 2024, 13:03:50
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 12, 2024, 12:41:45As far as I know, Turkey has signaled that it will act as a mediator. A greater gift cannot be given to Mr. Erdogan, who will not run again. 

Yes, he keeps on trying:

https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/09/zelenskyy-declines-turkeys-offer-to-host-peace-talks-with-russia

QuoteTurkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, whose NATO-member country has sought to balance its close relations with both Ukraine and Russia, offered during a visit on Friday from Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to host a peace summit between the two countries.

Erdogan, who has repeatedly discussed brokering a peace deal, said at a news conference in Istanbul following his meeting with Zelenskyy that he hoped Russia would be on board with Turkey's offer.

"Since the beginning, we have contributed as much as we could toward ending the war through negotiations," Erdogan said. "We are also ready to host a peace summit in which Russia will also be included."

Let's hope he will get through with it...
Because, according to this article, negotiating could be frustrating and fruitless:

QuoteWhy are there no negotiations with Putin? This question is not as simple as it may appear. Nevertheless, there are two main reasons.

The first reason, the "image of the war," is obvious, but Putin does not understand it, and no one can explain it to him.

The second reason, which is much more significant, is structural: Putin lacks the ability to take on binding commitments. In reality, it's precisely this structural reason that impedes negotiations.

The difficulty lies in the fact that negotiations with Putin are currently pointless because he cannot make any meaningful commitments. He can make promises in words, but in reality, these promises are worthless. Over his 20-year rule, he has promised practically everything — his signature is on the border treaty with Ukraine, for example. And he violated all of it. Over the past two years, he has broken almost every promise he made. Again, Putin himself may not even know about this. I suspect it would be a terrible risk for his subordinates to remind him of what he said a month, a year, or even a week ago. But everyone else knows that he breaks all of his promises. No matter how pragmatic and cynical a negotiator might be, what is the point of such negotiations?
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/08/04/why-there-will-be-no-negotiating-with-putin-a82021
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 14, 2024, 11:07:46
Quotewhat is the point of such negotiations?

Let's be honest: the war is devouring more and more resources, putting a strain on international relations, uprooting hundreds of thousands, promoting shady profiteers or those who want to profit from the suffering of others, while the upper class is little or not affected by the war. The most Ukraine can do is prolong the war. Who wants that anyway? The EU once received the Nobel Peace Prize. This is responsibility and obligation at the same time.  :1f633:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 14, 2024, 14:04:06
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 14, 2024, 11:07:46The most Ukraine can do is prolong the war. Who wants that anyway?

Well, there is one side which can stop their aggression... if that ever happens, negotiations would be the next step.

IF the Ukraine gave up their territories, do we really believe Putin would stop there? Or would he continue trying to "get back" to the old "Soviet Union"?  :?
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 14, 2024, 19:16:59
Putin, if you only watched parts of his speech to the nation, is still very much in the "Soviet Union", if you ask me. I saw many worried and sometimes fascinated faces among the listeners. The war target is the entire Ukraine. The election advertising for March 17th leaves no doubt about it. Although I believe that the Ukrainians are basically willing to negotiate, they definitely do not want to return under Russian or Soviet control, name it as you want. That's understandable and the real sticking point. So it will remain difficult.  :anguished:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: dsanchez on March 18, 2024, 11:52:39
Glad to see people in Germany pushing towards negotiations. Escalating this war won't end well and a NATO vs Russia war will mean the end of the civilization as we know it
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 18, 2024, 12:48:13
Well there are some "voices" demanding it, trouble is they have nothing to say (they aren't part of government here)!

(The sentence "leading left-wing party" is wrong somehow, the SPD and the Green Party who are part of the coalition running our country, are rather "left" than "right"! And imho, especially in Germany, we do know how important it can be not to trust a powermad dictator...)

As to why negotiations are difficult, I already tried to explain above (post #110).
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 19, 2024, 18:49:17
Quote from: UlrichAnd imho, especially in Germany, we do know how important it can be not to trust a powermad dictator...)

That's right. Added to this is the experience of the 'peaceful revolution' of 1989. We Germans have given up nationalism and militarism, but not voluntarily. It was the result or the lesson of two world wars. I don't think there will be any "territorial cessions" or any substantive negotiations until both parties are war-weary. Even without the war in the way it is being fought, the EU would have to face a "hostile takeover" by China and/or Russia. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that we should refrain from using terms like "right and left of center" as long as the conflict lasts and spreads.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 20, 2024, 15:57:16
Evidently, Mr Erdogan has been pushing for negotiations for almost 2 years now. So far without any success, sadly.

Hence I don't see why some "politicians" think they need to "demand" negotiations, it has been tried on diplomatic level. Just goes to show some people demand a lot, without doing much themselves.

Quote from: MeltingMan on March 19, 2024, 18:49:17... I am of the opinion that we should refrain from using terms like "right and left of center" as long as the conflict lasts and spreads.

Why? I certainly won't go voting for extreme right because of any conflict anywhere. Plus, my comment was not about "left vs. right", it was about the term "leading left-wing party", which is just wrong (on the verge of "fake news" almost)!
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 21, 2024, 10:43:14
Quote from: UlrichWhy? I certainly won't go voting for extreme right because of any conflict anywhere. Plus, my comment was not about "left vs. right", it was about the term "leading left-wing party", which is just wrong (on the verge of "fake news" almost)!

Three or even four things come into play here (apart from Russian propaganda and disinformation): the "fight against right-wing extremism" (a main concern of the SPD), the stages in Putin's CV (partly located in East-Germany), the tradition of the so-called Ostpolitik (initiated by W. Brandt in 1970) and then the not quite unimportant fact that the SPD is currently representing the German Chancellor, and quite a few voters are wondering what is specifically affected by the "turning point" (O. Scholz) and what is not. I don't want Ukraine to become or remain a vassal state, but I'm not sure whether we currently have a majority for that in Germany. The coming elections will show it.  :1f636:
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: Ulrich on March 21, 2024, 13:46:04
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 21, 2024, 10:43:14The coming elections will show it.  :1f636:

Yes, they will also show if the SWB will indeed be a "leading" party or not and if the right-wing will be very strong.

Another thing: over this Ukraine war, too many other conflicts are kinda "forgotten" in our media landscape: Sudan, Yemen, Haiti and so on and so on.
Title: Re: Russia attacks Ukraine
Post by: MeltingMan on March 24, 2024, 09:06:30
I do not believe in an entanglement of Ukraine when attacking in Krasnogorsk. But memories become awake ...

Quote from: WikipediaAt the hostage-taking in the Moscow Dubrowka Theater on October 23, 2002, 40 to 50 armed people, who even attributed themselves to the separatist movement of Chechnya, made 850 people into their violence and asked for the withdrawal of the Russian troops from Chechnya.

After the hostage-taking in Moscow had already lasted two and a half days, special units of the Russian domestic intelligence company FSB pumped a gas mix of Carfentanyl and Remifentanil [1] into the ventilation system of the theater and stormed the building minutes later. The anesthetized terrorists were killed by the special units by head shots. 130 hostages died, 5 by the hostage-takers, 125 due to inadequate medical treatment from the consequences of gas use. [2] [3]