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Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: lostflower4 on October 05, 2005, 23:01:48
Today is definitely an interesting day for me. I was just speaking to someone who has filmed a lot of "unofficial" Cure concerts. I asked him if it was nervewracking to be standing in the audience with a camera, always on the watch for security guards. He said yes, and noted it's even harder to get by with in the United States compared to Europe.

Then something he said really sent me off. He was recording the Cologne show last summer, and Roger spotted him in the audience. Roger then sent the security guards after him. With that, I've lost all respect for Roger, and I'm more than glad he's out of the band. I never really cared for him anyway. A great keyboardist yes, but I don't think The Cure needs a ecstatic tambourine player on stage! Sorry.

Funny that Robert doesn't care about any of this stuff. Sometimes it looks like he's smiling right into camera, even for bootleg stuff. I always knew Roger had a problem with boots, but that's just going over the line! :twisted:
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: ron on October 06, 2005, 05:03:54
This is sad to hear.  What a Saint he is becoming...
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: crowbi_wan on October 06, 2005, 05:47:50
caley, i agree.  i filmed some of the encores from the everett show last summer with simon staring right at.  he obviously saw me and didn't care.  have you seen the drowning man?  he was perched like a gargyole 10 feet in front of me.

and yes, roger did have a problem with boots.  i remember reading somewhere that he thought bootlegs were the reason bloodflowers had poor album sales.

i miss roger's playing, but not his views on bootlegs.
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: splitmilk34 on October 06, 2005, 14:27:46
I don't understand why any band has a problem with bootleg concerts.  I agree that downloading copyright protected material from actual albums is wrong, I don't see any harm in someone taping a show... the sound quality isn't mind blowing anyway.  The band has already received MORE than enough money for the fans that are at the show, so what's the harm?  I am a little disgusted with Roger, or anyone else with that kind of bad attitude.
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: Tristan Berlin on October 06, 2005, 14:30:11
Quote from: splitmilk34I don't understand why any band has a problem with bootleg concerts.  I agree that downloading copyright protected material from actual albums is wrong, I don't see any harm in someone taping a show... the sound quality isn't mind blowing anyway.  The band has already received MORE than enough money for the fans that are at the show, so what's the harm?  I am a little disgusted with Roger, or anyone else with that kind of bad attitude.

100% agree with you  :wink:
Very poor of Roger  :(
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: Plainsong on October 06, 2005, 16:11:06
And meanwhile Robert tells jokes because "On the bootleg that's going to sound HILARIOUS!" (Lieven '92, anyone?).
I think we know his feelings on the matter.;)
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: lostflower4 on October 06, 2005, 16:35:55
Quote from: PlainsongAnd meanwhile Robert tells jokes because "On the bootleg that's going to sound HILARIOUS!" (Lieven '92, anyone?).
I think we know his feelings on the matter.;)

Yep. And during the famous Torino '89 show, after Pictures of You, he says, "I should really start saying where we are so when all the bootlegs come out, you get the place right. This is Torino."

:-D
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: Tristan Berlin on October 06, 2005, 21:17:56
Quote from: lostflower4
Quote from: PlainsongAnd meanwhile Robert tells jokes because "On the bootleg that's going to sound HILARIOUS!" (Lieven '92, anyone?).
I think we know his feelings on the matter.;)

Yep. And during the famous Torino '89 show, after Pictures of You, he says, "I should really start saying where we are so when all the bootlegs come out, you get the place right. This is Torino."

:-D

How did you understand that?  :D  It's very difficult to understand it because Rob speaks so fast und not clearly but....cool Statement  :wink:
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: lostflower4 on October 06, 2005, 21:43:11
Quote from: Tristan Berlin
Quote from: lostflower4
Quote from: PlainsongAnd meanwhile Robert tells jokes because "On the bootleg that's going to sound HILARIOUS!" (Lieven '92, anyone?).
I think we know his feelings on the matter.;)

Yep. And during the famous Torino '89 show, after Pictures of You, he says, "I should really start saying where we are so when all the bootlegs come out, you get the place right. This is Torino."

:-D

How did you understand that?  :D  It's very difficult to understand it because Rob speaks so fast und not clearly but....cool Statement  :wink:

I think I have really good hearing. Not always a good thing. It makes listening to bootlegs quite unpleasant a lot of the time. :evil:
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: arielcc on October 24, 2005, 14:55:26
Hum Going back to the bootleg problem!! i have mixed emotions about this, sometimes i feel glad somebody tapes and share concerts! but most of the time the tapers make lots of money before sharing the shows,  i wouldnt like somebody else to make money with my work!!

a week ago i saw one webmaster updating his cure show list with lots of stuff from this forum, and he/she still keeps this message in his site, asking for money for the shows.  because he/she works hard paying postal services to get these shows from europe or elsewhere!! Here in lima i know two second hand record stores selling videos and shows taken from this site!! i just think about it, that is the reason i started to share with you, i went to another southamerican country and noticed something similar is happening! so i feel bad about this!

I dont think Robert doesnt care, i think he is to old to worry about that (and has enought money too) but he can not do anything to stop this, then he has to say these jokes that i understand are ironic and not  that he agrees with bootlegers!

ppl making money of somebody else's work!!

a good name for a cure song?

ariex

ps: anyway, wait a little bit for a new and wild update in my little cure site!!
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: roberta on November 05, 2005, 17:58:58
i remember that once i was filming simon talking with some fans and he said me to turn off the camera. i really don't care about that, simon is still great and so is roger... great musician and great person. i don't change my opinion about them because of a bootleg.
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: wish on November 07, 2005, 17:35:40
i agree with you caley
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: lostflower4 on November 07, 2005, 17:43:38
Quote from: crowbi_wancaley, i agree.  i filmed some of the encores from the everett show last summer with simon staring right at.  he obviously saw me and didn't care.  have you seen the drowning man?  he was perched like a gargyole 10 feet in front of me.

and yes, roger did have a problem with boots.  i remember reading somewhere that he thought bootlegs were the reason bloodflowers had poor album sales.

i miss roger's playing, but not his views on bootlegs.

Cool, I didn't know you were the one who filmed those. I think everyone's seen it! :P

I don't think bootlegs have anything to do with album sales. Internet sharing of official material without question hurts album sales, but I doubt many Cure fans were waiting for a good live bootleg to come out instead of buying Bloodflowers. :-D
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: monghi on November 08, 2005, 14:12:27
this is pretty interesting topic ... you know... bootlegs are really interesting stuff, especially for fans from countries where The Cure never played... like in my country... and trading with bootlegs for money??? What a shame!!!
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: japanesebaby on November 23, 2005, 19:26:40
Quote from: lostflower4
Quote from: crowbi_wani filmed some of the encores from the everett show last summer with simon staring right at.

Cool, I didn't know you were the one who filmed those. I think everyone's seen it! :P

well i haven't seen it... now i wonder if that makes me a 'no-one' then??  :smt017  ;-)

i don't miss roger as a person a slightest bit too. don't like him any more now.
besides, keyboard players are suspicious folk anyway (believe me, i should know!  :wink: )...

and yes, the moment someone starts swinging a tambourine on stage he ends up in the same category with a certain a. fletcher from a certain dm band ("look mom, i can play without even touching my instrument!") and...
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: bananafish17 on December 12, 2005, 12:04:02
First off, I want to defend Roger, because he is a great person and wonderous musician. I spent most of the 2000 tour video recording the band and fans. The band was wonderful to us (for the most part) allowing us to record alot of great footage (soundcheck San Diego, LA, SF, meeting with fans and many many shows). It's not that any of them care about the media/music being out there. It's the money being made off of it. I would guess that Rogers reaction to the fan video recording was due to the fact that many of us (fans) have spent (too much) money on sub-par recordings of shows. This is a sore subject with them. They don't mind us seeing/hearing the shows if we were not there, it's that we have to pay for it to some jerk. To many on this site (and others) are to quick to judge them. I have heard for so many years about how horrid Jason is. Well, I say f*ck that!!! He is a great drummer, and has breathed new life in to the band that we all love and know could have ended many many years ago (i.e. Joy Division, The Smiths, The Jam etc...). Alright, sorry for the rant, but we all need to see both sides before we judge to harshly. My very good friend Arusha Baker has been putting together footage from the 2000 tour about us, the fans. She has some footage up on her website: (www.arushabaker.com - check #2 "Cure Documentry"). I think many of you will enjoy it quite a bit.
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: wickedchild on December 18, 2005, 10:00:47
1 - Only hardcore fans will buy a cure bootleg
2 - How many cure fans will buy a bootleg and will not buy the proper album or do whatever it takes to see them live?

Hence Bootlegs do not lead to a loss of money to the band but more likely to a desire to see the band playing live after hearing how great they sound
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: Joe on December 18, 2005, 21:29:08
Depending on where you live it can be difficult at time to find a store that sells bootleg materials as well. Most people just download them these days.
Title: Roger vs. Us
Post by: plainsong05 on December 24, 2005, 02:47:54
I'm nowhere near you long time Cure collectors but I really miss Roger.

this may be obsessive to some, others may understand me... I've been hooked on the Toronto 2004 gig since I first got a copy and have been listening to it on headphones daily ever since... the performance of "Plainsong" is simply amazing and IMHO it's the keyboards that truly define that song.

I guess we will never know why Robert did what he did with the band but maybe Roger was getting the smallest piece of the pie for his contributions and disliked bootlegs from a monetary standpoint?

just my .02

:-D
Title: Re: Roger vs. Us
Post by: macwo on January 12, 2006, 21:41:55
Quote from: lostflower4Today is definitely an interesting day for me. I was just speaking to someone who has filmed a lot of "unofficial" Cure concerts. I asked him if it was nervewracking to be standing in the audience with a camera, always on the watch for security guards. He said yes, and noted it's even harder to get by with in the United States compared to Europe.

Then something he said really sent me off. He was recording the Cologne show last summer, and Roger spotted him in the audience. Roger then sent the security guards after him. With that, I've lost all respect for Roger, and I'm more than glad he's out of the band. I never really cared for him anyway. A great keyboardist yes, but I don't think The Cure needs a ecstatic tambourine player on stage! Sorry.

Funny that Robert doesn't care about any of this stuff. Sometimes it looks like he's smiling right into camera, even for bootleg stuff. I always knew Roger had a problem with boots, but that's just going over the line! :twisted:

hi saw this. it was micha - the bodygard from robert. he saw the filmer and said to a security gard to bring him the video tape.. micha got the tape and roger was happy and show micha that he want to have this tape.
i dont know the reason. but this was not fair.
the band can get everything, and most of the fans have bought everything as original.  since years i pay thousands of euros for this band..
but robert said to me once again... do it  if you are happy when you hear the songs live in 100 versions.
:wink: