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Title: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 07, 2019, 07:00:38
I've been studying eclipses (both Solar and Lunar) for a while and I've recently noticed that Robert Smith is about to have a hard Lunar Eclipse to his Sun. Let me explain: Robert Smith was born on April 21, 1959, making his Sun zero degrees of Taurus. The Lunar Eclipse on January 20th is at zero degrees of Aquarius/Leo, squaring Robert's Sun in Taurus at the exact degree. It's a very powerful, challenging aspect which attacks the will/strength of a person, their purpose here in the world. What's refreshing is that this same aspect happened to Robert on January 20th, 2000, just before the start of the Bloodflowers tour. Again, The Cure will be touring just after this very harsh Lunar Eclipse to his Sun. Apparently, Lunar Eclipses repeat themselves every 19 years, so it's good to look back 19 years ago when you're about to have an intense Lunar Eclipse to one of your planets: Sun, Moon, Ascendent, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, or Saturn. Solar Eclipses tend to be more of a positively experienced event, as they are the result of the Sun and the Moon being together, so the energy is focused and rejuvenating. (We just had a Solar Eclipse yesterday). At Lunar Eclipses, the Sun and Moon are at opposite sides of the Earth, so it brings on chaotic, divisive energy, usually very intense for most people. Also, Robert is going through his Saturn Return, which means that Saturn is currently in the sign it was in when he was born: Capricorn. This only happens every 30 years, when Saturn returns to the natal sign. What happened 30 years ago? The Cure was about to put out Disintegration, which came out May 1989.

For those who are not astrologically tuned in, here's what I'm talking about in points:

1-Robert Smith is about to have a challenging Lunar Eclipse to his Sun. This happened 19 years ago, just before the Bloodflowers tour began.

2-Robert Smith is going through his Saturn Return, which happens every 30 years. The last time he went through Saturn Return, The Cure was in the process of creating/producing Disintegration.

3-Robert Smith has just come out of his Jupiter Return (happens every 12 years) in Sagittarius (it was not going on around Disintegration or Bloodflowers). Following his last Jupiter Return in January 2007, The Cure played 16 shows, just a year and 10 months before October 2008 when 4:13 Dream was released. It seems that something similar is going on now, they are pre-touring festivals and then will have a world tour during and following the release of the new album. Maybe? You never know what's going to happen.

4- The planet Uranus is about to enter Taurus and align with Robert's Sun in Taurus. This connotes some unusual and unexpected things that may not have happened in the past, as Uranus has never been in Taurus during Robert's lifetime. I think it's probably a positive thing, like he'll be unveiling some kind of unusually creative innovations.

5-Robert Smith was born with more astrological challenges than the average person, (Mars square Moon, Mars opposed Saturn, Moon square Saturn, Moon opposed Mercury, Mars and Saturn square Mercury) so he is no stranger to hard times or deep challenges.

I can look more into timings and major Cure albums, tours, events, but this is all for now.

Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 07, 2019, 12:54:10
Interesting! Thanks for sharing Tanya. Sounds like potentially a challenging time ...lets all send some love his way ... 😘💕✨

If you can, I'd love to know if there was anything going on during May 31-June 1 2011 (Reflections shows in Sydney) ...the first after a long break, and with Lol again ...I felt something was going on energetically.


Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 07, 2019, 19:27:17
Hello, Word-on-a-Wing!

There absolutely was something going on energetically May 31-June 1. There was a Solar Eclipse in Gemini at 11 degrees, just 4 degrees past Robert's Venus in Gemini at 7 degrees, pleasantly re-energizing Lol's participation in The Cure, as the Solar Eclipse harmoniously trined his Sun at 14 degrees Aquarius. It was probably a magical show and I'm guessing the band and audience felt it. The Solar Eclipse happened on June 1, so May 30th-May 31st may have been tense, as it was the Dark Moon and coming out of bull-headed Taurus, but by June 1 there would have been a pleasant buzz in the air. Solar Eclipses tend to be really focused and bare, like tabula rasa,  a blank slate, fresh start. Today we're just two days past a really nice Solar Eclipse that took place in Capricorn. I weeded, trimmed, and swept 3 large bins of leaves and weeds in our garden and around the house yesterday. New Moons tend to be productive. And Solar Eclipse New Moons really productive.

There is that Lunar Eclipse coming up on January 20th. Anybody born between January 17th-January 24th, April 18th-April 23rd, July 19th-July 25th,  or October 21st-October 25th, get ready. It will also impact anybody who has planets (Sun, Moon, Ascendant, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, or Saturn) near 0 degrees Aquarius, 0 degrees Leo, 0 degrees Taurus, or 0 degrees Scorpio. The way to get prepared is peek at this time in your life 19 years ago to see what themes were present then. Also, be open to change. It's best not to communicate, argue or confront people during this time (between now and January 23rd), as people are not likely to feel patient or be in a mental/emotional place to let things go. Lunar Eclipses are fascinating for the power they bring to change our lives, but can be really messy if we're not prepared for the intensity. The way I've prepared is to set an intention each day, to meditate, to write in my journal, and to have a daily task, kind of like penance  :D in order to appease the intensity of the Lunar Eclipse in my life. You might start to feel or notice its effects within the next few days, leading up to the event on January 20th.




Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 07, 2019, 20:59:57
I'm reading this as a Leo (24th July) and thinking back 19 years ago, that's when my parents split. I'm trying to connect dots from your knowledge Tanya and I find it truly amazing how insightful you are about all this sort of stuff, I should pay more attention. I've been asking myself why its been a volatile start to the year!

I am excited for the blood red moon , I just love seeing the moon, I can't describe how I feel when the moonlight touches my skin in the darkness. I just hope we'll be able to see it this time, last time I asked Ulrich take a picture for me  :heart-eyes
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 07, 2019, 23:44:27
That's so interesting Tanya, and it did feel June 1st was particularly meaningful so that would fit. Thanks so much for looking into it :)

And lucky me is Oct 16 so I think I just miss out (though I work with lots of young people (most are under 19), so will keep my eye out for anyone struggling during this time
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 08, 2019, 04:37:55
It is wonderful to observe the Blood Red Moon, although it usually feels so intense to me that I feel stunned and like I'm floating, as if it's the end of the world. I'm already starting to feel that floaty feeling. I kind of like it, but it can feel ungrounding.

How sweet, Chemicaloverload that you had Ulrich take a picture of the Moon for you! July 24th does put you close to the degree of the Lunar Eclipse at 0 degrees Leo, but I have confidence that you'll get through fine. If you feel any power struggles or notice yourself feeling intense, try to to take it easy and find a safe place to be. Being a brave Lioness, you may feel more courage to face this Lunar Eclipse than I do.  :heart-eyes

Word_on_a_Wing, Libra is one of my favorite astro signs! My Moon is in Libra, as is Robert Smith's, and my partner is a Libra (October 17), as is Mary Poole Smith (October 3rd).










Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 08, 2019, 10:09:48
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 08, 2019, 04:37:55
How sweet, Chemicaloverload that you had Ulrich take a picture of the Moon for you!

Trouble is I didn't. I don't remember if I tried (if I did, they were too blurry)... Thus I "borrowed" a friend's pic from Facebook. ;)
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 16:21:43
Quote from: Ulrich on January 08, 2019, 10:09:48
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 08, 2019, 04:37:55
How sweet, Chemicaloverload that you had Ulrich take a picture of the Moon for you!

Trouble is I didn't. I don't remember if I tried (if I did, they were too blurry)... Thus I "borrowed" a friend's pic from Facebook. ;)

Still, you got me a picture :) this time, hopefully you won't need to. Or maybe you will. Who knows. Consider yourself on standby  :×
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 16:30:59
Hehehe Tanya, brave lioness, I like that. Its amazing the different kinds of reactions people have to the moon. Last one I missed because of clouds, hence Ulrich STEALING (;)) a picture for me but I'm determined to try and see it. I want to go up to the mountains to look at it without city light detracting from it. Yes, its been a turbulent few weeks thus far, it will all settle down soon, I''l make it. I'll retreat to my happy place on Friday with a book and a cigar and all will be fine. How long have you been studying astrology and do you combine it with other things like tarot cards or runes?
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 08, 2019, 18:37:54
Interesting topic, btw. I've never been into astrology much, but this at least creates a little interest.

Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 16:21:43
Still, you got me a picture :) this time, hopefully you won't need to. Or maybe you will.

Well, obviously I would do anything for you, even stealing pictures...   ;)
To avoid high expectations: I've never been good at taking pics late at night, they tend to get all blurry... maybe I should read the manual of my camera to do more "experimentation" with the lense...
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 08, 2019, 19:02:26
Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 16:30:59
How long have you been studying astrology and do you combine it with other things like tarot cards or runes?

I got into astrology around the same time I became obsessed with The Cure, at age 14, so being that I'm as old as The Cure, it's been 26 or 27 years. I do have some rose quartz runes that I pull occasionally, like if I have a question about something or feel uncertain about something, but I don't use tarot cards. I have taken breaks from astrology and spirituality over the years, as it was sometimes scary and ungrounding, but these days I feel very natural about spirituality, like I respect the science, the cycles, and the naturalness of how things work so don't get uprooted the way I used to when I was learning the principles of astrology, numerology, and Moon cycles.

I'll post Moon pictures, too if I'm able to get good ones.

The eclipses still unnerve me a bit because they can bring unexpected things and I don't like surprises, but I recognize that they are natural and have fascinating effects on nature. Like right now we're just past the King Tides (when the earth is closest to the Sun) so there have been very high tides and extremely low tides. At the Lunar Eclipse Full Super Moon we're having on January 20th, the tides will be so low that I can enter a cave that's usually flooded with high water. If it is indeed open I'll post pictures to show what I'm talking about. It was open last year at the end of January due to the same Lunar Eclipse Full Super Moon, following the King Tides, but I don't think it will be open again for a very long time.



Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 22:46:30
Oh a moon and a cave picture would be great, if you can get them. Ah, the magic of tides and the moon, another reason to love it so. Yes, its only natural that you discover and move away from things such as spirituality, especially as you grow, but I'm glad your back with it, it must bring a real sense of calm into your life, much like WOAW with yoga and its roots. I used to read tarot cards. I used to give readings in high school to other kids, in the toilets, in the cleaners cupboard, it had a row of seats and she used to let me use it. She also used to let me smoke in it lol But my mother told me to get rid of them and one day, they were gone. I often think about them but rather than use them these days, I'll insert them into writing because I like what they stand for. I also recently found out from family that we come from a line of real Romany Gypsies! Apparently with the old style wooden caravans too. I must explore that side of my family, see what I can find out. Your rose quart runes sound divine, they must give you good energy when you use them.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 22:54:02
Quote from: Ulrich on January 08, 2019, 18:37:54
Interesting topic, btw. I've never been into astrology much, but this at least creates a little interest.

Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 16:21:43
Still, you got me a picture :) this time, hopefully you won't need to. Or maybe you will.

Well, obviously I would do anything for you, even stealing pictures...   ;)
To avoid high expectations: I've never been good at taking pics late at night, they tend to get all blurry... maybe I should read the manual of my camera to do more "experimentation" with the lense...

Oh that word Ulrich...anything...its deliciously limitless ;)

Yes. Brush up. The 20th is only round the corner! Maybe there's a night setting on it? Experiment away. Avoid windows. There's laws about that   :smirk:
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 09, 2019, 03:49:43
My mom tried to limit my passion in getting into certain things too deeply, like The Cure, like spirituality, but she was also supportive.

How lovely to be descended from Roman Gypsies! Sounds like you appreciate it.  :heart-eyes

If one starts early with Eclipse preparation, there's a lot of relief where there could have been frustration or despair. I went out to babysit my nephew today and on my way back stopped at a favorite vegan restaurant to get some soft serve fruit and a hummus bowl for my significant other. First of all, a young man in a hurry seemed to be racing me to get to the window to order first, but being that I was naturally in front of him, and being that I am assertive enough, when he tried to cut in front of me I held my ground. He ended up getting his order first and they handed me part of his order, telling me it was what I had ordered. I walked across the street back to my car and that young man came knocking on my window to let me know I had his taco bowl. Then I went back to the restaurant to let them know of the mix up and had to wait for 25 minutes while they made my order. They apologized, thanked me for my patience and I kept my cool, understanding that I'm making the world a better place by being even-keeled and forgiving. As far as the young man who slipped away, I let him go to his karma. :lol:

The energy is building as that Moon waxes! I almost don't want to go anywhere until the Eclipse has passed! If this is the most intense experience of the Eclipse, I'll be grateful, but I'm pretty sure that if I don't wear armor when going out, it's going to get rough. :lol:

I came home and took a run on the beach, then swept leaves out of the side garden as a daily task. I'm doing a daily task each day as penance until the Eclipse passes. I think physical labor and deep soul searching are two great ways to get through Lunar Eclipses.

Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 09, 2019, 18:38:40
Physical labor - if that helps through the Eclipse, I'm already through with it! Been shovelling snow each day now, sometimes more than once!

Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 08, 2019, 22:54:02
Oh that word Ulrich...anything...its deliciously limitless ;)

Yes. Brush up. The 20th is only round the corner!

Well, if tanya will provide a photo, I guess I can get away without taking one... :oops:
Chances are that it might be cloudy here anyway (it usually is if you're waiting to see something).
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 21, 2019, 05:35:36
Here are two photos of the Total Lunar Eclipse Super Moon, from beginning to almost end. It's starting to get cloudy, but if I can get the red Moon, I'll post it here.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 21, 2019, 07:46:18
Well, sadly, my camera got eclipsed by the Lunar Eclipse! As soon as it was a brilliant red with just a sliver of white left I began shooting away, but my camera went completely blank/black when I'd try to focus. Then the sky filled with clouds and I couldn't see it anymore until the clouds cleared away, showing the other side of the eclipse, with just a bit of earth's shadow still on the Moon, pulling away. There won't be another one of these until May 2021. I'm grateful I got to see my third Blood Moon, but sad that I couldn't photograph it when it was red.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 21, 2019, 08:29:44
Thank you Tanya! I'm sure it was amazing. I've seen some great pictures this morning of it when it was red. Sadly, its completely cloudy here, no moon.

Now that its over, what does that mean for all the signs that were affected? x
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 21, 2019, 08:56:46
Nice photos anyway, especially the last one!  :smth023

Here it was grey/foggy - I knew before, so I stayed in bed...
But the internet has some great pics of it.  :cool
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 21, 2019, 13:13:19
Here in Australia it was in daytime, so no chance to see it.

Tanya I'm wondering how you went in the lead-up to it, as you seem to feel it pretty intensely?

I had an interesting experience as the moon was full I was offered a job promotion🙂
Perfect thing to happen during a full moon ...things coming to fruition (at least on this earthly realm ... )
quite synchronistic
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 21, 2019, 16:39:24
Well we'll all get another chance to see it in May 2021!

Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 21, 2019, 13:13:19
Here in Australia it was in daytime, so no chance to see it.

Tanya I'm wondering how you went in the lead-up to it, as you seem to feel it pretty intensely?

I had an interesting experience as the moon was full I was offered a job promotion🙂
Perfect thing to happen during a full moon ...things coming to fruition (at least on this earthly realm ... )
quite synchronistic

Wow, Word_on_a_wing! Congratulations on your job promotion!

I felt it very intensely about two hours before the max. I was sitting in bed telling my partner "I wish you could feel this, too." It's just feeling all my emotions more intensely, kind of like them being squeezed out of me. By the time the Moon was red, (I had the opportunity of glimpsing it for a couple minutes, trying to take pictures, but them coming up blank) I was feeling excited. When I went out to view it one final time, when the earth's shadow was almost off of the Moon, I had very good feelings as the wind blew, sensing that things would be easy and good for a while. It got so windy overnight. I woke up at 4:30 AM, thinking somebody was outside our bedroom window because of a flapping noise, went into the bathroom to look out the window and it was just the wild wind. I tend to associate strong winds with people dying because I've experienced them around people dying in the past. I actually had a dream that my mom's husband passed away the night before the eclipse. He's in his early 70s, so I know it's going to happen someday, but hopefully not for a while. 

It was really inspiring to see the clean, white Moon this morning. I see the Moon after eclipses as totally fresh after the great cleansing process of the earth's shadow sweeping across it.

I wonder how Robert Smith fared?
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 21, 2019, 17:18:59
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 21, 2019, 16:39:24
I wonder how Robert Smith fared?

As he tends to go to bed early in the morning, it was certainly a perfect opportunity for him to watch this eclipse (unless his sky was cloudy) and then go to sleep...  :cool
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 21, 2019, 20:15:21
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 21, 2019, 13:13:19
Here in Australia it was in daytime, so no chance to see it.

Tanya I'm wondering how you went in the lead-up to it, as you seem to feel it pretty intensely?

I had an interesting experience as the moon was full I was offered a job promotion🙂
Perfect thing to happen during a full moon ...things coming to fruition (at least on this earthly realm ... )
quite synchronistic

That's amazing WOAW! :) Very well done, did you take it?
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 22, 2019, 00:14:56
Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 21, 2019, 20:15:21
That's amazing WOAW! :) Very well done, did you take it?

Whoops, should have said "offered and accepted".
The extra money will likely help towards my plans (also coming to fruition) to see The Cure in Oslo Norway in August 😀
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 22, 2019, 05:50:09
Quote from: Ulrich on January 21, 2019, 17:18:59

As he tends to go to bed early in the morning, it was certainly a perfect opportunity for him to watch this eclipse (unless his sky was cloudy) and then go to sleep...  :cool

I wonder if he does watch the eclipses...I'm betting on it. Maybe one of the new songs will be called "Blood Moon."  :winking_tongue Ha ha.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 22, 2019, 09:48:28
@woaw: congrats & fingers crossed you can travel to Oslo!  :smth023

Quote from: tanyasmith on January 22, 2019, 05:50:09
I wonder if he does watch the eclipses...I'm betting on it.

From what I heard, he is a bit interested in astronomy - e.g. he put the "Jupiter Crash" into a song...  :)
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 22, 2019, 10:58:34
That's  wonderful WOAW :) Oslo too, that'll be something else.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 22, 2019, 20:07:40
I finally get to see the moon tonight, big, close, bright and yellow in colour. Glorious :)
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58
Quote from: Ulrich on January 22, 2019, 09:48:28


Quote from: tanyasmith on January 22, 2019, 05:50:09
I wonder if he does watch the eclipses...I'm betting on it.

From what I heard, he is a bit interested in astronomy - e.g. he put the "Jupiter Crash" into a song...  :)

Yeah, I was thinking of Jupiter Crash, too. Also Step Into the Light, which I'm not sure who he's talking to in it: his wife, himself, a friend, a certain kind of person? It seems he's saying he doesn't believe in the supernatural, that the natural is phenomenal enough. It's a good perspective, a masculine one, with reason having to do with the intellect. I think women tend to believe in the metaphysical more than men because of being more centered in our emotions and intuition, which often doesn't make sense to men because of the unconventional, non-reasoning way that emotions and intuition work. "I don't care about the aliens, ghosts, and fairies, all the voices in your head." I think he has an excellent point when he says "you're flying through space at a millions miles an hour/for 4 billion years, the sun keeps coming up/it's all too wonderful for words/but for you it's not enough."

It's enough. It's just that there's more to it than just the physical. It's healthy to find a balance of physical/mental/emotional/spiritual or body/mind/spirit. In regards to Robert being fond of astronomy, I wonder if he knows that astronomy came out of astrology, just as western medicine came out of alchemy? Without astrology, there would be no astronomy. It's hard to understand why people want to extract the spirituality out of experiences, but Robert Smith is a Taurus (like Freud) and Tauruses are very physically oriented, tend not to be as open to spirituality as Pisces, Aquarius, Cancer, Scorpio, and Libra. It might be as simple as certain people  just don't have lenses for which to perceive the spiritual so don't believe in it. I believe in it all.  :heart-eyes

Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 23, 2019, 11:49:11
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58
Yeah, I was thinking of Jupiter Crash, too. Also Step Into the Light, which I'm not sure who he's talking to in it

That's interesting about "Step into the light"! I think it's often "typical" for a song that you don't know exactly who it is directed to (or who it is about) - thus they become "universal" and (nearly) anybody can relate to the lyrics...

Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58
It's a good perspective, a masculine one, with reason having to do with the intellect. I think women tend to believe in the metaphysical more than men because of being more centered in our emotions and intuition...

It's hard to understand why people want to extract the spirituality out of experiences, but Robert Smith is a Taurus (like Freud) and Tauruses are very physically oriented, tend not to be as open to spirituality as Pisces, Aquarius, Cancer, Scorpio, and Libra. It might be as simple as certain people  just don't have lenses for which to perceive the spiritual so don't believe in it.

Of course: there is the "rational" side in me which doesn't believe in some things because they've never been "proven". And I've experienced some bullsh*t where it was very clear (to me) that some folks use "spirituality" to make money...

On the other hand, I have experienced some strange "coincidences" in life, which point towards there being (much) more than we can see or prove.
Plus the "feelings" I had when I visited some "special" places on earth (sources, old churches, graveyards, castles...)!
:cool
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 23, 2019, 12:59:15
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58

" I think he has an excellent point when he says "you're flying through space at a millions miles an hour/for 4 billion years, the sun keeps coming up/it's all too wonderful for words/but for you it's not enough."

Yeah I love that lyric too, is so true how amazing every moment truly is, but we can fall asleep to recognising it, and get lost in striving for more...better than this ...when it's a freakin miracle.  I've always been in awe of consciousness... that we are awake conscious beings.  However it feels like there's a tendency to get distracted by the objects we clutter our lives with, and allow our minds to get confined by rigid ideas and judgements, rather than simply being conscious and open.

Tanya I'm not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form (or perhaps I'm just hoping this is true?). I feel in the lyrics that he's saying that when people become rigid / closeminded, and push their beliefs on others that this frustrates him.
"It's when your "I believe it's true, I know", I start to get upset"
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 18:44:32
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 23, 2019, 12:59:15
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58

" I think he has an excellent point when he says "you're flying through space at a millions miles an hour/for 4 billion years, the sun keeps coming up/it's all too wonderful for words/but for you it's not enough."


Tanya I'm not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form (or perhaps I'm just hoping this is true?). I feel in the lyrics that he's saying that when people become rigid / closeminded, and push their beliefs on others that this frustrates him.
"It's when your "I believe it's true, I know", I start to get upset"

I always thought Robert was spiritual, but as an adult I came to wonder if he takes the skeptical side. He's admitted in interviews that he doesn't feel as positively as he used to. And there's also "but if I had your faith, then I could make it safe and clean..." which leads me to believe he's always been on the skeptical side.

Oh, I wasn't understanding that lyric the way you explained.  Another good point, Word-on-a-wing (and Robert). ;-)

Quote from: Ulrich on January 23, 2019, 11:49:11
Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58
Yeah, I was thinking of Jupiter Crash, too. Also Step Into the Light, which I'm not sure who he's talking to in it

That's interesting about "Step into the light"! I think it's often "typical" for a song that you don't know exactly who it is directed to (or who it is about) - thus they become "universal" and (nearly) anybody can relate to the lyrics...

Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 02:03:58
It's a good perspective, a masculine one, with reason having to do with the intellect. I think women tend to believe in the metaphysical more than men because of being more centered in our emotions and intuition...

It's hard to understand why people want to extract the spirituality out of experiences, but Robert Smith is a Taurus (like Freud) and Tauruses are very physically oriented, tend not to be as open to spirituality as Pisces, Aquarius, Cancer, Scorpio, and Libra. It might be as simple as certain people  just don't have lenses for which to perceive the spiritual so don't believe in it.

Of course: there is the "rational" side in me which doesn't believe in some things because they've never been "proven". And I've experienced some bullsh*t where it was very clear (to me) that some folks use "spirituality" to make money...

On the other hand, I have experienced some strange "coincidences" in life, which point towards there being (much) more than we can see or prove.
Plus the "feelings" I had when I visited some "special" places on earth (sources, old churches, graveyards, castles...)!
:cool

Well, said Ulrich! I agree that some people use spirituality to make money. It's our responsibility as self-caring human beings to do the best we can to make sure we don't get tricked. (And others, too).

I've experienced a lot of spiritual things in my life. Most recently I was in the kitchen and there was a man standing next to me. At first I thought it was my partner, but he was in our bedroom and I never heard him come out, so when I looked and saw nobody there, I guessed it was a ghost. To be really honest, my male cat, Matisse walked by right after the experience, so it could have been his male presence I sensed, but still, it was like I knew a man was standing in the kitchen with me. We live in an 83 year old house, so it's not outlandish to think there might be some spirits there. A friend of mine once said she felt a strong Native American presence in the furnace room. Native Americans did live here before settlers came.


Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on January 24, 2019, 10:54:47
The band is set to go to the studio again soon! They will "finish off" the recordings already done last year. Let's hope "the stars are aligned" for them to make another great album! :happy

Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 18:44:32
It's our responsibility as self-caring human beings to do the best we can to make sure we don't get tricked. (And others, too).

Yep! :smth023

Quote from: tanyasmith on January 23, 2019, 18:44:32
A friend of mine once said she felt a strong Native American presence in the furnace room. Native Americans did live here before settlers came.

Fun fact: I met a Native American through being a Cure fan! Was a nice fan meeting (Nov. 2016)! :cool
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on February 06, 2019, 09:45:10
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 23, 2019, 12:59:15
Tanya I'm not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form ...

Well I do think Robert is "sceptical" when it comes to things like "after-life" and such. Which is what he once said, but he might've changed his mind since then.

I can only guess he knows about the origins of astrology/astronomy, but then again back in those times there weren't things like "horoscopes" in newspapers.

However, I imagine he can think himself into these things, e.g. when he writes lyrics like in "Never" (2004):
QuoteShe doesn't read the stars
She has no time for fate
She doesn't see the signs
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on February 07, 2019, 01:24:46
Quote from: Ulrich on February 06, 2019, 09:45:10

Well I do think Robert is "sceptical" when it comes to things like "after-life" and such. Which is what he once said, but he might've changed his mind since then.

I can only guess he knows about the origins of astrology/astronomy, but then again back in those times there weren't things like "horoscopes" in newspapers.

However, I imagine he can think himself into these things, e.g. when he writes lyrics like in "Never" (2004):
QuoteShe doesn't read the stars
She has no time for fate
She doesn't see the signs

I have to go back and re-listen to Never. Cure lyrics have a way of pulling you in.  :D

From an astrological perspective, Robert is a walking paradox. He has so much opposition and challenge in his chart that I'd assume he would be quite open-minded from the challenge he's faced in life because of that paradoxical chart. I can relate, as I have a paradoxical chart, too. Basically when you have a paradoxical astro chart you can say one thing one moment with much conviction and then the opposite or something that really contrasts in another moment with as much conviction, usually not aware of it, or say one thing, but do another. It's hard for people to deal with who aren't like that. Robert's Sun is in Taurus on the cusp of Aries, so I think that gives him a dislike of hypocrisy (we all know him to have artistic integrity) and perhaps the paradoxical aspects in his chart have empowered him to become integrated, which is a paradoxical phenomenon in itself that a person born divided might actually have the potential to become whole and integrated, more than a person born without paradox or contrast in their charts. Robert has a Libra Moon, which makes him prefer peace over conflict deep inside. Actually his chart connotes a singer/performer/artist, the tense , contrasty aspects provide him the fuel for being so self-expressive.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on February 07, 2019, 11:15:24
Quote from: tanyasmith on February 07, 2019, 01:24:46
From an astrological perspective, Robert is a walking paradox.

I kinda like that!  :lol:
Maybe because I am too (at times).  :neutral-face

Quote from: tanyasmith on February 07, 2019, 01:24:46
...you can say one thing one moment with much conviction and then the opposite or something that really contrasts in another moment with as much conviction, usually not aware of it, or say one thing, but do another.

Well, when you look back: Robert often talked about "death wishes" when he was young(er). Nowadays he claims he actually had a very positive view when he was young (while he was making "dark" music)...

I guess some of it is dependending on his "mood". There are days when you don't feel much hope and I think those are (mostly) the days when Robert feels like writing a song/lyric.

Quote from: tanyasmith on February 07, 2019, 01:24:46
I think that gives him a dislike of hypocrisy (we all know him to have artistic integrity)
... which makes him prefer peace over conflict deep inside.

I can relate to all this! I'd rather go quiet than entering a huge conflict (in real life, not on the internet, ha ha ha)! It is known that RS sometimes left it to Lol (or other band members) to tell someone he's out of the band. Which probably means he tried to avoid any conflict with that person.
And I dislike hypocrisy too...
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: piggymirror on February 28, 2019, 04:22:19
And now, someone's "left the room"... I wonder how that will affect Robert.
I guess that a lot.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on February 28, 2019, 04:47:16
Was Robert even in touch with Andy anymore? Andy was an Aquarius, born on the same day as me: January 30th. It's actually the same day Olivia Colman was born, the most recent winner of the Academy Award for Best Actress, as well...One wins, another dies, and yet another stays alive. Andy's unexpected death falls under the powerful Super Full Moon Total Lunar Eclipse we had on January 20th. I guess his closest friends are grateful he didn't have to suffer long.

A day after Andy's birthday is Jason Cooper's birthday, January 31st and Lol's, February 3rd. I guess The Cure reserves a space for Aquarian drummers, although Boris has his birthday April 24th, just 3 days after Robert's.

The longest member besides Robert is Simon, and he's a Gemini. Robert's Venus is in Gemini which means that he feels affection toward the Mercurial messenger, which is probably why Simon has lasted so long in the band, and of course Reeves is a Gemini, too. Roger is a Scorpio, who might feel out of sync with the Aquarius/Gemini energy so strong in the band these days. Robert, with his Libra Moon probably serves as a diplomat in the band, bridging the guys differences with peacemaking tactics.

There aren't any more Total Lunar Eclipses until May 2021, so until then, things should feel milder than they've been in a while.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on February 28, 2019, 10:10:53
Quote from: tanyasmith on February 28, 2019, 04:47:16
Was Robert even in touch with Andy anymore? 

Good question. Lol once said it is him who "keeps the contact between them all" and that he's often the one delivering messages from Robert to other ex-members.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on April 03, 2019, 20:30:58
We're less than 48 hours away from the New Moon in Aries! That means that the Moon is currently in the phase of the Dark Moon, which happens every month, the last two days of the Moon cycle, the two days before the New Moon. People are prone to feel lost, sad, disappointed, emotionally heavy, tired, and uninspired at this time. It's the lack of light, the dark tunnel. Don't expect others to admit feeling this way because it's usually the more receptive, sensitive kinds of people who feel in touch with the phases of the Moon and other planetary aspects. If you feel frozen about a project or goal, it's just part of the course. By the New Moon in Aries, one of the most exuberant, vibrant, lively New Moons of the year you may feel so inspired and motivated that you don't know where to start, especially being that Aries ruling planet, Mars has entered Gemini and will be expressed in a scattered way. This can be really fun and creative, a good time for multi-tasking and starting several projects at once. Aries are not known for sticking around to finish projects, as Aries are more keen on starting things and directing others to carry on. Mars in Gemini will be expressed through Mercury (its ruling planet) in Pisces, so thinking and communication may be colored by feelings (Pisces) at this time, again making it a creative phase.

"The dark night of the soul comes just before revelation. When everything is lost, and all seems darkness, then comes the new life and all that is needed." Joseph Campbell

Robert's Sun is cusping Aries/Taurus, and as we all know he'll be celebrating his 60th on April 21st. His Venus is in Gemini, which means that from now and most of this month he'll be feeling motivated by love and inspired to chat, hopefully with the public.  :heart-eyes Also, Simon and Reeves are both Geminis, so they may be feeling more robust and daring than usual.

Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on April 04, 2019, 09:12:00
Quote from: tanyasmith on April 03, 2019, 20:30:58
...the phase of the Dark Moon, which happens every month, the last two days of the Moon cycle, the two days before the New Moon. People are prone to feel lost, sad, disappointed, emotionally heavy, tired, and uninspired at this time. It's the lack of light, the dark tunnel.

I can't help but admit the last 2 days I felt quite tired, lost und not very inspired...  :disappointed:

Nice "peacock" picture, btw!  :)
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: tanyasmith on April 04, 2019, 17:58:51
Thanks! It's a still from The Caterpillar video I made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D6OCNi8U1o&t=1s

After the New Moon, energy starts building again, so that by the Full Moon people tend to feel wired and energetic. And then as the Moon wanes into nothing, peoples energy levels tend to wane as well. The New Moon is less than a day away. Should feel focused and productive, an excellent time to set goals and start new endeavors.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on April 05, 2019, 10:12:17
Quote from: tanyasmith on April 04, 2019, 17:58:51
The New Moon is less than a day away. Should feel focused and productive, an excellent time to set goals and start new endeavors.

Sounds good, will see how I get on today!
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: MeltingMan on May 03, 2020, 10:03:02
Quote from: tanyasmith on February 28, 2019, 04:47:16Andy was an Aquarius, born on the same day as me: January 30th. 

I am currently working on Naadi Astrology. After that, the three (next to the nine) is considered the "dominant" number. Robert has them (April 21) and also Mary (Oct 3) and Lol (Feb 3). It's remarkable, isn't it? 😯
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on May 03, 2020, 10:56:00
Quote from: MeltingMan on May 03, 2020, 10:03:02It's remarkable, isn't it?

No. Not for me at least. (What about Simon for example?)

What's remarkable is that (as far as I know) none of the "astrologists" has read in the stars for 2020 that a huge crisis / pandemic would be coming... or did anyone? :expressionless:

What's remarkable is another thing about the band's members (anyone ever noticed?):

QuoteHartley, like so many of those in The Cure, was the youngest of three
(out of the book "Never Enough" by J. Apter)

Seems like having older sisters/brothers is something in common for many Cure members.
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: SueC on May 03, 2020, 11:10:38
Quote from: Ulrich on May 03, 2020, 10:56:00Seems like having older sisters/brothers is something in common for many Cure members.

And many other people.  Which is interesting for people who do family of origin psychology, because the youngest are often the most babied, most forgotten and least photographed in the family (because by now babies are soooo unexciting), the ones least likely to ever have their proper adult status recognised by their parents when they grow up, the ones who fall through the cracks and who may be receiving unfavourable comparisons when growing up to their more mature siblings and their more advanced academic work at school etc.  So a lot of youngest siblings will take up clown or baby or "cute" roles as children, since "competent" roles are taken, and attention is hard to get any other way. As teenagers, they can tend to individuate away from their families, compared to older siblings, for those reasons.

It's not cut and dried, but these are commonly observed patterns.  There's always exceptions to the rule, etc.

Some other things members of The Cure have in common is having two arms, two legs, a head, and that they speak English... :angel
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: MeltingMan on May 03, 2020, 16:44:39
Quote from: Ulrich on May 03, 2020, 10:56:00(What about Simon for example?)

Simon's birthday is on June 1st. So he is represented by the one. From a numerological point of view, he gets along best with Robert and Lol. And with everyone whose birthday is in February, April and May. 😬
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on May 04, 2020, 10:42:37
Quote from: MeltingMan on May 03, 2020, 16:44:39From a numerological point of view, he gets along best with Robert and Lol. And with everyone whose birthday is in February, April and May. 😬

Nice theory. Is there any proof for it?

Edit: what I meant about Simon is: could you not find a 3 in his birthdates? For example by multiplying the year of birth with 4, then divide the result with the square root out of Pi?
(I ask, because for me, 21 is twenty plus one and not 2+1 if you know what I mean...)
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: MeltingMan on May 08, 2020, 12:45:43
I should have said that it is not science and even less mathematics. I cannot provide "evidence", but this gentleman gives a rough overview of what numerology can and cannot do. Other videos are much more complex, and where the interfaces with occidental numerology are will still concern me. What I can say is that it is either 100% correct or not at all. There is nothing "in between".

Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on May 11, 2020, 12:02:40
Quote from: MeltingMan on May 08, 2020, 12:45:43What I can say is that it is either 100% correct or not at all. There is nothing "in between".

Once again, I don't agree, unless it's "provable or demonstrable".

Keep in mind, there's not just mathematics, but also probability calculation. (Thus, I would say there is a 50/50 chance of something "in between".)  ;)

Btw, are there any other sources but youtube-videos? I'm tired of them (unless it's music), because right now the internet is flooded with videos about Corona etc.

I prefer the written word, much better for "fact-checking".
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: SueC on May 12, 2020, 03:33:26
I was just going to say that even though astrology is definitely not my thing, Chinese astrology, according to a friend, gives a good explanation for my propensity to get up in the middle of the night to nibble at things:  My true animal is a rat... :lol:
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on August 19, 2020, 18:40:50
I found this via someone on FB:

QuoteHeads up - 'December 21st, 2020 Jupiter is conjunct Saturn at 0° Aquarius. This is the beginning of a new era. All the 'rules' on how society works will be re-written... If you are born between 1950 and 1989, the "Chiron opposite Uranus" generation, you were born with the mission to transcend Saturn or what our forefathers called "reality".'

Oh well, we'll see...
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: SueC on August 19, 2020, 18:55:07
...so, @Ulrich, do you think this will be the release date for the new Cure album?  :angel   :winking_tongue   :kissing_closed_eyes:
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: Ulrich on August 19, 2020, 20:06:55
Yep and it will be a Christmas album!! Snowy white and all that.  :-D  :lol:
Title: Re: The Cure and Astrology
Post by: SueC on August 20, 2020, 01:30:18
With seven dwarves, or without?  :yum:

I guess snowy white saves on printing costs.  Ink is expensive and we all need to economise now.  And this would actually make a comparatively superior cover for this band.  :angel  But perhaps you meant snowy white metaphorically?