Started by revolt, September 10, 2008, 11:04:35
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Quote from: AdamClayton on October 11, 2008, 11:38:58Another point you bring up is the inability to play coversongs. Man, I've heard some proper crap coversongs by U2...and they managed to release possibly the worst of them all on Rattle and Hum, 'All Along The Watchtower'. However, as a curiosity, check out some of the boots from the Lovetown Tour of 89 and you find that they improved immensely and those versions really should have been released instead of that crap Rattle and Hum version.
Quote from: AdamClayton on October 11, 2008, 11:38:58I believe that a lot of people think that Cure stayed an alternative band and U2 became a mainstream band around Live Aid in the mid 80's. I always disagreed with this as I believe U2 never been a mainstream band despite achieving mainstream success.
Quote from: AdamClayton on October 11, 2008, 11:38:58So in my in my opinion U2 and Cure are also similar in that they've always been independent and alternative throughout their career as they done exactly what they want despite (or maybe because?) of their mainstream success. There are so many people that don't think these things can exists together; having mainstream success and being alternative/independent but I think both Cure and U2 are very similar in that respect and prove that this is indeed possible.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 15, 2008, 20:06:38what comes to u2 i would have also mentioned one exception, the very same 'springhill mining disaster' that already got mentioned. that one is really really good, always liked it a lot.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 15, 2008, 20:06:38but take something - anything - else, for instance some of the stuff they did on the '86 'a conspiracy of hope' tour. 'come on everybody' or 'help' etc. - that's just quite terrible.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 16, 2008, 12:58:11'night and day' isn't too bad. actually i think they can make ok covers just as long as they don't try "to play rock'n'roll". they are a terrific band when they do things their own way but they are a terrible rock'n'roll band, always were. some other bands were really good at playing other people's songs before starting to make their own songs, but like already pointed out above u2 sstarted to make their own songs because their abilities to play "existing music" were too limited. so they never learned to "play rock'n'roll", so to speak. they can do a cole porter song (which is a musical song in a style of old jazz standard) and they can do a folk song and come up with something good and original. but the moment they try to play "come on everybody" and they take an instant nosedive. (i suppose someone could argue that 'all along the watchtower' should also qualify as a folk and therefore they shouldn't have stumbled with that one. but i think they tried to make a rock'n'roll song out of it instead of doing it in their own way/in a folk'sih way and that's why it pretty much sucks. or at least will remain quite uninteresting and unnecessary.)
Quote from: revolt on October 16, 2008, 13:21:59Well, but 'All along the watchtower", as Dylan played it, was more of a rock song than folk (it's from 1968's "John Wesley Harding", when Dylan was already past his folk phase for some time). And the definitive version of it (even Dylan agrees) is by Jimi Hendrix - I think it was with Hendrix in mind that U2 gave it a try. It was bound to be a failure, of course.
Quote from: revolt on October 16, 2008, 13:21:59But at their best, when they decide to rock out in the U2-way, no one can beat them.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 16, 2008, 14:04:29talking about hendrix, surprisingly the cure managed covering 'purple haze' quite well, imo. then again, 'hello i love you' by the doors was not their thing at all - the psychedelic mix is a million times better than the version included on rubaiyat. i've always thought that one can actually directly hear which artist motivated robert more. everyone knows he's a hendrix fan yet never really was too much into the doors. i think he said somehting on the join the dots sleeve notes about choosing 'hello i love you' because it's a nice kinks rip-off or something like it.
Quote from: revolt on October 16, 2008, 14:46:44the psychedelic mix of "Purple Haze"
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 16, 2008, 15:16:17Quote from: revolt on October 16, 2008, 14:46:44the psychedelic mix of "Purple Haze"the psychedelic mix is a mix of 'hello i love you', not 'purple haze'. although the version of 'purple haze' cover included on 'stone free:...' compilation could just as well be called a psychedelic one, i suppose.
Quote from: AdamClayton on October 16, 2008, 21:13:18Check this out, at least they improved on that horrible Rattle and Hum version of Watchtower http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3lv5gbMSSYAnother cover that I appreciate is Paint It Black from one of the Whos Gonna Ride Horses singles. As Japanesebaby pointed out, U2 arn't too bad when they play them their own way, not as 'rock n roll' which this proves imho. This is also in interesting recording as it done in late 1989 and released in 1992. Even at that point you can feel that change that came later with Achtung Baby....its sort of a mix between God pt 2 and Acrobat, a feeling I also believe is present in that Night and Day cover.
Quote from: AdamClayton on October 11, 2008, 11:38:58and they managed to release possibly the worst of them all on Rattle and Hum, 'All Along The Watchtower'. However, as a curiosity, check out some of the boots from the Lovetown Tour of 89 and you find that they improved immensely and those versions really should have been released instead of that crap Rattle and Hum version.
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 17, 2008, 14:40:13[. to me 'heartland' is the best bit of 'rattle & hum', i've always been really fond of that track. it's u2 being u2 and not trying to be a (mediocre) blues band or something.