Does anyone know what the title 'Music for Dreams' really refers to? I seem to remember Robert having mentioned once in an interview that it was the title for a second The Glove album, that he and Steve Severin actually managed to record but never released (the tapes supposedly were with Severin). However I don't have that interview with me nowadays and memory could be playing tricks on me.
My doubts also come from the fact that in http://thecure.8m.com/info.html it is mentioned that 'Music for Dreams' "is said to be an instrumental/solo album that Robert has done/will do".
Robert talked about this second Glove album (that stayed unfinished) in 1985. He said a possible title for it was "Music For Dreams" as the songs were instrumentals. Later, that title was used here and there as a working title (I remember reading about an instrumental album after Disintegration). The same way, he had "Wild Mood Swings" as a working title for years for a solo album too. I guess he had a list of titles but none could be revelant until an actual release.
Here is what I found at http://ekwimmer.blogspot.com/2007/10/10-questions-with-steven-severin.html
Question: "One of my favorite records of all time is Blue Sunshine by The Glove, did you ever consider another album with Robert Smith and Jeanette Landray?"
Severin answer: "Robert and I discussed "Glove 2" last year when we remastered the original album and the extra disc. Robert was "not allowed" to sing on Blue Sunshine ~ that's why we asked Landray. If "Glove 2" happens it would be just the 2 of us as God/The Devil intended".
So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.
A second Glove album with Robert singing would be awesome.
Oh, could somebody mash up Roberts singing of the bonus disc with the original album (without the female vocals)? That would make my day. :smth023
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 23, 2008, 12:59:58
A second Glove album with Robert singing would be awesome.
Oh, could somebody mash up Roberts singing of the bonus disc with the original album (without the female vocals)? That would make my day. :smth023
What's wrong with Jeanette Landray's vocals? The issue here is, if those songs had been released with Robert singing they would probably sound too much like the Cure... And the purpose of all this side project thing was to do something that would sound different from both The Cure and The Banshees.
Anyway, even if I really like the songs Jeanette sings, my favourite tracks from that album are instrumentals. 'Relax', for example, is really massive and it was actually used by The Cure as an intro to their shows, in the 1985-1986 period, if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: revolt on July 23, 2008, 14:16:35'Relax', for example, is really massive and it was actually used by The Cure as an intro to their shows, in the 1985-1986 period, if I'm not mistaken.
Yup ;) In fact I think it even played on In Orange
I think these songs still don't sound like The Cure if Robert sings them (like on the bonus disk). In terms of songwriting and instrumentation they're far away from everything released under the name The Cure.
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.
But I agree about "Relax": Great song, "A blues in a drag" too. :smth023
Quote from: revolt on July 23, 2008, 10:56:24
So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.
My guess is that the extras on Blue Sunshine remaster (Opened The Box (A Waltz), the Tightrope, And All Around Us The Mermaids Sang, Holiday 80) were actually those instrumentals (Glove2's unfinished project) Robert Smith talked about in 1985. Basically just demos to which vocals were added for some of them.
Before that remaster came out two years ago, Robert and Steve met and thought "maybe one day again" because of the nostalgia. But it's unlikely to happen for real I think.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 08:29:01
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.
Legal matters!? Can you explain that? Because Robert does sing in 2 songs of the album ('Mr. Alphabet Says' and 'Perfect Murder').
Quote from: Descent on July 24, 2008, 11:38:36
Quote from: revolt on July 23, 2008, 10:56:24
So, there's has actually been some talking about a possible 2nd The Glove album. Would this be 'Music for Dreams' in a finished / updated form or something completely different? This could be very interesting.
My guess is that the extras on Blue Sunshine remaster (Opened The Box (A Waltz), the Tightrope, And All Around Us The Mermaids Sang, Holiday 80) were actually those instrumentals (Glove2's unfinished project) Robert Smith talked about in 1985. Basically just demos to which vocals were added for some of them.
Before that remaster came out two years ago, Robert and Steve met and thought "maybe one day again" because of the nostalgia. But it's unlikely to happen for real I think.
Well, 'The Tightrope' actually already appeared in the un-remastered CD version of the album that was available in the 90's... Also 'Mouth to Mouth' and an alternate version of 'Like an Animal'. These were the only 3 extra-tracks, which makes me think that 'Tightrope' comes from the 'Blue Sunshine' sessions, not from the second album...
You're right about the Tightrope. I just copied and pasted the bonus list without checking. :? So all I said applies to the other 3 demos which are quite minimal (They're just sketches...)
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 08:29:01
I think these songs still don't sound like The Cure if Robert sings them (like on the bonus disk). In terms of songwriting and instrumentation they're far away from everything released under the name The Cure.
And the reason why Jeanette sings wasn't "to create a different sound", but legal matters.
Here is what is written at http://www.picturesofyou.us/siouxsie/SIOUX-thefilephasetwoissuefourfrontcover.htm :
"One point Robert did make clear was that he didn't want to sing because he feared that the overall sound of the songs would bear to much similarity to those he recorded with The Cure."
I have found this kind of comment in other articles and I'm pretty sure there must be an interview somewhere with the exact words Robert has said on this matter...
The instrumental of "All around us the mermaids sing" called "Tormented" was available at Severins mp3.com page some years ago. Think he called it a leftover from the Blue Sunshine-Sessions.
Concerning the legal matters: Robert was allowed to sing on only two songs of the project by Chris Parry. The whole story is printed in the booklet of the Deluxe Version.
Music For Dreams is an "album" of 14 instrumental songs, they are played as warm ups before Cure shows. Robert said they are not good enough to be officially released but, they may be made available online.
Well, they are already available online, I have them !
Tracklist:
Swing
Off To Sleep
Boon
HK
Bastard
T-8
Porl's
Miss van Gogh
Now's The Time
T-7
Old Scotland
Dark Affair
Frog Fish
Swing 2
Quote from: robmead on August 19, 2012, 21:32:52
Well, they are already available online, I have them !
can you share the link? thanks :smth023
I'll upload them to 4Shared tonight sometime and post the links here.
Here you go:
http://www.4shared.com/dir/sIuTD7VX/MUSIC_FOR_DREAMS_-_THE_CURE.html (http://www.4shared.com/dir/sIuTD7VX/MUSIC_FOR_DREAMS_-_THE_CURE.html)
Download link is to the far right of each song.
Thanks again :smth023
When where they used?
This is awesome, thanks!
thanks a lot for sharing these
Where can we download these demos Music for Dreams?
Thanks
Thanks for posting these!
I've never heard of the 'Music for Dreams' concept before, but all of these sound like Demo's for Wish - in fact a couple of these appeared on the lost Wishes cassette and 'H-K' is clearly a demo for A Foolish Arrangement. It's definitely the Wish line-up too, so while these songs may have been played for years before, 1990-1992 is when they were recorded.
I've got a feeling this may have spoilt the second disc of the Wish remaster haha.
:smth023
Quote from: johndracul on August 20, 2012, 06:28:31
Where can we download these demos Music for Dreams?
four posts above :)
Wow excellent
Thanks for sharing these jewels.
Hello,
I don't know why but I can not download Music For Dreams?
I am on 4shared but...
Somebody can help me?
Thanks in advance
Jerome
For those having trouble downloading the songs, you may have to register with 4shared first. It only takes a few moments and is a small price to pay for the fantastic songs robmead uploaded.
It says the folder was deleted. I'm registered and all...
Is it just me?
Could someone please reupload it?
Quote from: MechanisedSatan on August 21, 2012, 23:07:12
Could someone please reupload it?
http://www.sendspace.com/file/lja4ku (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lja4ku)
Cheers!
Thanks a lot!
Merci, thanks, danke... you made my day!!! (and the next ones!!!)
Thank you so much!! :smth023
Wow... I'm amazed. Thank a lot for putting this up, dudes. Any info as to how this came about?
Thanks for uploading! :smth023
I am very curious about where these come from.
Maybe the names appeared in some itw or something, but I can't remember the demos were made available anywhere by the band.
Are you sure it's not interpretation by some other band? Like some on the Pink Pig project?
I was thinking along the same lines when the Lost Flowers popped up, but having listened to the stuff quite carefully, I'd say its the real band we're hearing here. Never listened to any Pink Pig stuff though, but I think it would be quite difficult to duplicate that sound, tonal and playing-wise.
I'm sure plenty of other fans on the french forum apinkdream would love to hear these, it's no problem if I put a link there for them, is it?
sure, this is a public part of the forum, you can share the link:
http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg757751/#msg757751 (http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg757751/#msg757751)
Thanks.
Thanks very much again robmead, the fans on the french forum love them - as much as i do.
Can you tell us how did you get them?
The Cure - HK (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7sGx3qPP4#)
The Cure - Porl's (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkI9VwEd_c#)
and all http://www.youtube.com/user/seyyarkamil/videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/seyyarkamil/videos) 10 more!
Are this gonna be the Wish deluxe songs?
It's been online for months! I just caught them. Does anybody else know something about this?!?!?!?!
Album:Music For Dreams (14 instrumental demo songs) 1990-1992
Tracklist:Swing,Off To Sleep,Boon,HK,Bastard,T-8,Porl's,Miss van Gogh,Now's The Time,T-7,Old Scotland,Dark Affair,Frog Fish,Swing 2
The Cure - Now's The Time (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys3VHlc6sHs#)
The Cure - T-8 (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Us55rJ48qs#)
The Cure - T-7 (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFGK8n9d0g0#)
The Cure - Miss Van Gogh (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCeRh-MvJeU#)
The Cure - Boon (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ScpMUVk7W4#)
The Cure - Bastard (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrmsobhklIo#)
The Cure - HK (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1p7sGx3qPP4#)
The Cure - Porl's (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtkI9VwEd_c#)
The Cure - Dark Affair (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNYvWbzIMbw#)
The Cure - Swing (İnstrumental 1992 Demo) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wod_PDgzF5w#)
What do you think guys? is this real?
If you ask me (which you just did), it definitely is (http://curefans.com/albums-and-songs/music-for-dreams/msg758003/#msg758002).
i can't believe i missed the original 1 year old thread. I feel such a n00b!
Thanks for posting, better twice than never! :)
I think the "Wish" deluxe edition will be worth the wait. (Even though they once again missed the chance of releasing a "20th anniversary" edition...)
Any chance someone could re upload these?
hello Rueiko, here's a song, try to download it, if it works, i'll try to post more later.
http://uploaded.net/file/etuymr7n (http://uploaded.net/file/etuymr7n)
Works like a charm! Thank you so much Fabien, looking forward to hearing the rest :)
It should be working, i hope...
http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw (http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw)
Got them, thank you so much :) I really appreciate it. I wish the deluxe editions would move faster, especially looking forward to WMS's release.
I'm glad i could help. I really like them. I hope they release something big soon (Xmas is coming!)
Where can i find these songs:
Studio recording sessions for WISH and an instrumental album called MUSIC FOR DREAMS
(Live House demos, May 1991. **)
1, Slvvy (early 'Doing the unstuck')
2, Cloudberry
3, Open
4, Under inside (early 'This twilight garden')
5, Anniversary (early 'High')
6, Miss Van Gogh
7, T-7
8, T-6
9, V (early 'To wish impossible')
10, Now is the time
11, Frog fish
12, Full moon
13, Christmas story (early 'Scared as you')
14, T-3
15, Boris' song (early 'Apart')
16, Old Scotland (early 'Uyea sound')
17, Old England
18, Dark affair
19, Heart attack
... and more demos... for example:
20, Boon
21, HK (early 'A foolish arrangement)
22, Bastard
23, T-8
24, Porl's
25, Swing 1
26, Swing 2
http://thecure-collector.blogspot.hu/2010/09/demo-and-studio-recording-sessions-of.html (http://thecure-collector.blogspot.hu/2010/09/demo-and-studio-recording-sessions-of.html)
The Music For Dreams should be available here
http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw (http://uploaded.net/folder/p8tinw)
as well as two or three others.
but the other songs: where did you heard about them in the first place? I never knew about these titles before i think.
3, Open
4, Under inside (early 'This twilight garden')
8, T-6
9, V (early 'To wish impossible')
12, Full moon
13, Christmas story (early 'Scared as you')
14, T-3
15, Boris' song (early 'Apart')
no idea, i hope someone can upload them if he/she has them...
maybe some songs were just a reference Robert made in itws but were never available, even unofficially, on the internet.
I stumbled across Christmas Story sometime somewhere, but don't remember if I still have it (will check though). What I do remember is that it sounded rather bad compared to the other MfD tracks, and it felt somewhat out of tune.
Found it! For those of you who want to draw their own conclusions (or just enjoy another unheard track): klick me not.
Thanks very much Matti! Can i share it with other fans (not here because they don't speak english)?
Sure, whatever you please. My link will expire in a few weeks' time anyway, but never mind spreading the word.
alright, thanks again Matti
Hello again everyone,
As far as I know, we have 15 demos from the Wish session, the Music For Dreams album (page 1 of this thread), + christmas story (above).
Did any other track surfaced that I am not aware of?
Thanks
someone has asked me to re-upload this so here it's in case you don't have it. enjoy! :smth020
link
sorry. i had to remove the link. see explanation below. thanks.
A note about
Music for Dreams that was just sent to me by private message. Thanks ;)
QuoteI was sure to have post a message on the Music For Dreams page here...
To make it short, while i was discussing this topic on another forum (well, i look for information everywhere i can), i chat with someone who explained to me that this subject should stop not discussion but at least allow downloads. In fact it seems 'someone borrowed' the master tapes whereas he was not allowed to , and put it on the internet. It was obviously not allowed and Universal are said to already have taken action in the past about the internet distribution of these demos. So, although I am very disappointed for the fans who don't have these tracks, I think you would be well advised to taken these off. And maybe explain why, if you think that might help fans to understand.
There, I've don what i think i should do. If the cure were to make these demos available on the official site, that would solve the problem easily. I hope they will do one day.
Hi guys
Can anyone help me with this "Music for Dreams" demos?
Is it possible to post a new link?
Thanks!
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 24, 2008, 20:47:54
The instrumental of "All around us the mermaids sing" called "Tormented" was available at Severins mp3.com page some years ago. Think he called it a leftover from the Blue Sunshine-Sessions.
This is nothing but a demo of Marc Almond's Torment (which appeared on his Torment And Toreros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torment_and_Toreros) 1983 album):
Torment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAhBnPfd3Og)
Severin and Robert wrote it, and gave it to Marc (who added the definitive lyrics, which are even more explicitly sado-maso than anything Martin Gore).
Torment is one of Marc's most favourite songs among his fans (and a usual closer of his concerts). :-D
Marc Almond, John McGeoch, Sioux, Budgie, Lol and Porl are known to have been in the studio during some of the Blue Sunshine sessions (and John McGeoch's possible uncredited appearance is something I suspect: he could be Mr. Weaverley).
Don't forget that Martin McCarrick, Ginny Ball, Anne Stephenson and Andy Anderson were part of the band who recorded Blue Sunshine.
I sometimes understand why Robert said he was too tired but that "every week I'm in another band", his overload was only matching to Bowie's by 1972/73 or 1976/77.
His intake of drugs and booze between 1982 and 1984 must have been stratospheric too, I suspect...
Quote from: piggymirror on October 24, 2017, 03:06:28
Severin and Robert wrote it, and gave it to Marc (who added the definitive lyrics...)
Interesting, thanks for sharing this info. I wondered: what do the credits say on the album?
It is indeed credited to Severin/Smith/Almond, at least here on wikipedia:
Quote5."Torment" (Almond, Steven Severin, Robert Smith) - 4:21
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torment_and_Toreros
can someone plz re-upload the music for dreams demo's ?
someone upload these plz of original audio files?
You can read the problem about them on the reply #55 by david.
@matti, there was another demo titled 'klick me not'?
Quote from: Fabien G on November 09, 2017, 21:57:55
@matti, there was another demo titled 'klick me not'?
No, I posted a link (like,"klick me (http://curefans.com)"), but it expired. For those interested in that X-Mas story, you might want to try a search for the band name and song title on a popular video platform on the web. ;)
Ok, no, I had already heard about X-mas story, I thought 'klik me' was a title :)
Guys!
I have some demos from music for dreams, these are:
Swing
Lost Wishes (All 4 tracks)
Frog Fish
Swing 2
Old Scotland (Early Uyea)
Boon
Bastard
HK (Early A Foolish Arrangement)
T - 7
Porl's
Miss Van Gogh
T - 8
Now's The Time
Dark Affair
A Christmas Story
S1vvy
Anniversary (Early High)
Heart Attack
Old England
If You want some of them, i'll find a way to share it.
Please don't really spread them i want them to stay rare; not to mention that some of them are on youtube
Is there ANYONE out there that still has these songs available to share? I have been searching high & low for months, but all I've been able to come up with are low quality MP3 conversions made from YouTube videos for the four Lost Wishes tracks and just a few of the ones from Music for Dreams. All links provided here previously are dead.
Please PM me if you're able to help. Thanks so much.