Fourteen Explicit Moments / Pornography Tour 1982

[Rickenbacker4003]

Anyone else have their bootleg gigs downloaded or on cd?  I have almost all of them downloaded.  At the Strasbourg 1982 gig Robert says to the audience before the introduction of Pornography "after 15 f*cking years we still have idiots winning, this is called Pornography."  I always wondered what he meant by that.  Also, if anyone else noticed how he would play the riff of 007 James Bond on guitar during the intro of the song.  He played it at many gigs during the 82 tour, Hammersmith, Paris, Strasbourg, Rotterdam, Dusseldorf, etc.  But after 1982 he never played that same 007 riff during any version of Pornography ever since.  I wonder if anyone has any insight on this.  I would love to know, thanks.

[Rickenbacker4003]

Does anyone have any bootlegs from this tour?  Care to comment?   

[dsanchez]

Does anyone have any bootlegs from this tour? 

Yes, here, here, here, here,here  and here

I've never noticed the 007 riff you're talking about, I will take a closer look on that. Thanks for pointing out this detail.

[Descent]

The 007 myth is something that was started by some fan online.
For some reason, they thought 4 or 5 seconds of guitar playing sounded exactly like the 007 theme. When actually Robert just played around the keyboards notes of Pornography. So even it bears some slight resemblance to it, it's not the complete riff anyway and it would be quite strange to incorporate that kind of reference into a song like Pornography (it's not WCBIY ?).

[Rickenbacker4003]

Does anyone have any bootlegs from this tour? 

Yes, here, here, here, here,here  and here

I've never noticed the 007 riff you're talking about, I will take a closer look on that. Thanks for pointing out this detail.

Thanks for responding.  But on the Olympia 1982 gig from 2:05-2:15 on Pornography you hear the 007 riff.  There's other gigs with this riff played, Strasbourg (2:05-2:14), Dusseldorf(2:11-2:20), Rotterdam (2:17-2:29).  But not all the gigs, especially not after 1982.  Trust me, this is the 007 riff and maybe he felt like f*cking around with the riff in concert because it sounded rather nice with the song itself.  I played it to other people in the car and they heard the melody as well without me even telling them.  My wife totally agrees that it is the 007 riff.

[dsanchez]

Trust me, this is the 007 riff and maybe he felt like f*cking around with the riff in concert because it sounded rather nice with the song itself. 

Can you attach a mp3 sample of the riff? Very curious to hear it...

[Rickenbacker4003]

The 007 myth is something that was started by some fan online.
For some reason, they thought 4 or 5 seconds of guitar playing sounded exactly like the 007 theme. When actually Robert just played around the keyboards notes of Pornography. So even it bears some slight resemblance to it, it's not the complete riff anyway and it would be quite strange to incorporate that kind of reference into a song like Pornography (it's not WCBIY ?).

First off, I was never aware some fan mentioned it beforehand.  I'm rather new here but I'm a big time Curefan as many in here.  I have almost all the 1982 Pornography Tour gigs downloaded since it is clearly my preffered era of The Cure.  But that 007 riff is not just some 5 seconds of random luck.  This riff was played for more than 10 seconds and played at repeated gigs, not just one.  I can name you at least 5-7 gigs in '82 in which that riff was played during the song.  But ironically it was never repeated again post '82. Every single version of Pornography after 1982 never had that 007 riff ever again, I've downloaded gigs from 1983-1984 in which is was still a regular on setlists back then and it was never heard anymore. BTW, that song never sounded the same without Lol on drums.  He had this Jaki Liebezeit style of drumming that totally hypnotized me.  Very basic, tribal and steady but so perfect for The Cure in my honest opinion.  They never pushed the envelope or challenged themselves in such a manner ever again, despite the great success and excellent music that came afterwards.

[Rickenbacker4003]

Trust me, this is the 007 riff and maybe he felt like f*cking around with the riff in concert because it sounded rather nice with the song itself. 

Can you attach a mp3 sample of the riff? Very curious to hear it...

Here it is on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=668cTinC3lI, someone posted the Olympia and Lyon versions.  Listen to the Olympia version from 2:07-2:17, but the Lyon version does not contain the 007 riff.  I hope someone posts up the Strasbourg, Rotterdam and Dusseldorf versions.  Because those have it.

[dsanchez]

Listen to the Olympia version from 2:07-2:17

Hmmm not sure. I have this concert, never noticed this. I don't know, if you wouldn't tell me about this detail, I would not notice it, but maybe I'm wrong.

What the others think about this?

[Descent]

First off, I was never aware some fan mentioned it beforehand.  I'm rather new here but I'm a big time Curefan as many in here.  I have almost all the 1982 Pornography Tour gigs downloaded since it is clearly my preffered era of The Cure.  But that 007 riff is not just some 5 seconds of random luck.  This riff was played for more than 10 seconds and played at repeated gigs, not just one.  I can name you at least 5-7 gigs in '82 in which that riff was played during the song.  But ironically it was never repeated again post '82. Every single version of Pornography after 1982 never had that 007 riff ever again, I've downloaded gigs from 1983-1984 in which is was still a regular on setlists back then and it was never heard anymore. BTW, that song never sounded the same without Lol on drums.  He had this Jaki Liebezeit style of drumming that totally hypnotized me.  Very basic, tribal and steady but so perfect for The Cure in my honest opinion.  They never pushed the envelope or challenged themselves in such a manner ever again, despite the great success and excellent music that came afterwards.

You seem to take all this quite intensely. 5 seconds or 10 seconds... That's the same : a non-significant portion of the track. You were asking for an insight about this. I gave you my feeling : the riff similitude you're hearing is coincidental. It just sounds a little bit like it. But the guitar notes are actually different to the 007 theme (different scale). But anyway.

That part on guitar was never repeated after the 1982 live shows because that guitar solo was kind of improvised anyway. As you said, he didn't play that bit everywhere. It just seems completely inappropriate to me to consciously play the 007 theme during Pornography live. But that's just me I guess.