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Title: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 21, 2007, 01:51:53
Oi!
I've been a Cure fan since my school days. I also enjoy punk music. (I should point out here that I really only like the 'old school' English punk) I wondered how many people have stumbled across other bands like Siousxie & The Banshees through their love of The Cure. There is a bloke named Pete Frame that does brilliant hand drawn family trees, and I personally stumbled across S&TB in this way... which in turn lead me into other punk bands such as The Sex Pistols, The Buzzcocks, The Pretenders etc...

below is taken from Wikipedia;
[[Pete Frame is a music journalist, best known for producing intricately-detailed outlines of the history of rock bands for various magazines. He founded and edited the seminal English Alternative Rock magazine ZigZag from April 1969 until the late '70's, was an A&R man for B&C Charisma Records, and manager of Starry Eyed and Laughing. Two collected volumes of these Rock Family Trees have been published, and several were used as the basis for a BBC Television series (named "Rock Family Trees") in the 1990s. He is also author of "Rockin' Around Britain"]]

So has anyone else formed a love of all things punk-ish, as I have through The Cure. Let's not forget songs like Meathook and So What - thats punk if ever I heard!! The fact that The Cure have moved away from their 'roots' is neither here nor there really...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on August 22, 2007, 18:46:32
YES! YES! I love The Cure's punky side, and I actually view them as a punk band, especially Simon's badass look around the time of "Pronography" with the big hair and the leather vests...Robert too!

I love bands like TSOL, Siouxsie and The Banshees (I'm wearing a Siouxsie T-shirt right now) and more gothic rock stuff like Bauhaus...I love it all! The Cure opened me up to new kinds of music, such as The Chameleons, which should have been a hit band, IMO. They were great...

I also love the band, "Magazine" with Howard Devoto...their songs are really kickass, a mix of New Wave and punk, much like The Cure. Music will never be as good as it was in the late 70s and 80s. Punk is dead. But will live on for me.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 23, 2007, 02:21:12
Ah, similar wave length Carnage Visor as me... so nice, I feel all relaxed and wonderful now! LOL, Might have to chuck on some Exploited to counter that feeling however!

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/CherryRedBoots/Music%20Film%20Photos/photogallbandsexploited4.jpg)
above: Wattie (Exploited)
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/CherryRedBoots/Music%20Film%20Photos/sidandrotten1977.jpg)
above: Sid Vicious and Johnny Rotten circa 1977 (Sex Pistols)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 23, 2007, 02:29:17
Here are some other random images I happen to have and thought I would post for some reason!!!

(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/CherryRedBoots/Music%20Film%20Photos/bromleycontingentinLindaAshbysapart.jpg)
above: the Bromley Contingent
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/CherryRedBoots/Music%20Film%20Photos/chrissiehyndepaulineblackdebbieharr.jpg)
above: C. Hynde (Pretenders), P. Black (not sure!!), D. Harry ('nuff said - she is a sex goddess!!), Poly-Styrene (X-Ray Spex), V. Albertine (The Slits - I believe!) & S. Sioux (The Banshees!)
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s206/CherryRedBoots/Music%20Film%20Photos/robertsmithandsiousxie-1.jpg)
above: Mr Smith and Miss Sioux (I really LOVE this image and use it everywhere!!)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45
I actually got into the Buzzcocks cos I read about them in "Ten Imaginary Years".   As far as the Banshees go...I blame MTV.  Never knew they had a history with the Cure til I read about it.

But, as far as punk goes...I'm totally old school.  Sex Pistols, The Damned, Jayne County, 999, The Clash.  All the good bands.  The new "punk" bands (like Green Day) just don't do it for me.  Give me 1976-1979 UK punk and I am a happy camper.


Cheap plug time.....If you are really into punk/new wave try to find this book...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/iwannashagsimon/diary.jpg)

Punk Diary: The Ultimate Trainspotter's Guide to Underground Rock, 1970-1982
by George Gimarc

Trust me.  Very informative! Written like a diary with info about gigs, albums and general band info.

Sample page:  http://www.gimarc.com/PD-page.html
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Sussex on August 23, 2007, 03:49:39
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45
I blame MTV. 

Me too..MTV sucks!  :smth078

Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45

The new "punk" bands (like Green Day) just don't do it for me. 

Same here though..Such MtV type! :smth078








Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Sussex on August 23, 2007, 03:52:23


Guys..

how bout the band who love to sniff glue..The Ramones??
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 04:20:22
Yeah, MTV sucks (especially nowadays), but it did make me a Cure fan. :-D
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Sussex on August 23, 2007, 04:22:41
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 04:20:22
Yeah, MTV sucks (especially nowadays), but it did make me a Cure fan. :-D

:-D

Yeah...recently they are only looking for fame and glamour type of thing...yaaarckk!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on August 23, 2007, 17:44:16
I like The Ramones, but it's so cliche to say "my favorite punk band is The Ramones!" In my opinion, it's much cooler to say, "I appreciate the post-punk bands like Siouxsie and Magazine...or The Buzzcocks." It's slightly less tedious and typical of a teenager to say.

Also, I use that picture of Robert and Siouxsie alot, it's on my fridge right now, as if we knew them or something...My mom likes it there, as well. So all is good.

(For the record, I do live with my mom, brother, and sister because I am 15...lol)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Steve on August 23, 2007, 22:12:08
I spent a part of my childhood living in Bromley & remember the Bromley contingent (they were fairly difficult to forget really).
There was a chinese take away on my old paper round called the Hong Kong Garden :D
I still love the punky side of things, but I am an old goff at heart tbh.
But I'll always give the Buzzcocks, Rezillos, 999, Pistols, Only Ones, Magazine etc. an airing on the old cd masheen :-D
I recently unearthed an old tape of an album called 20 of another kind, which is now converted to a digital format & is a regular feature on my itunes selection.

These days, I see a lot of kids with "punk's not dead" tee shirts & think that they wouldn't know punk if it fell on them.
It wasn't about the music tbh, but more the whole attitude, feeling & lifestyle.
I used to get ridiculed at parties when I was a teenager for wanting to listen to the Clash :?
I saw the UK Subs one night in a pub in Worthing & it was one of the roughest gigs I ever went to.
Get p!ssed. Destroy.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 01:36:11
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45
I actually got into the Buzzcocks cos I read about them in "Ten Imaginary Years".   As far as the Banshees go...I blame MTV.  Never knew they had a history with the Cure til I read about it.

But, as far as punk goes...I'm totally old school.  Sex Pistols, The Damned, Jayne County, 999, The Clash.  All the good bands.  The new "punk" bands (like Green Day) just don't do it for me.  Give me 1976-1979 UK punk and I am a happy camper.


Cheap plug time.....If you are really into punk/new wave try to find this book...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/iwannashagsimon/diary.jpg)

Punk Diary: The Ultimate Trainspotter's Guide to Underground Rock, 1970-1982
by George Gimarc

Trust me.  Very informative! Written like a diary with info about gigs, albums and general band info.

Sample page:  http://www.gimarc.com/PD-page.html

See another person that discovered punk through The Cure... Your just like me matey!! Give me the Buzzcocks, Sham 69, Stiff Little Fingers, 999, X-Ray Spex etc... and yes even The Exploited (even though they are on the tail end of the origianl UK 'movement') any day...

LOL, I've heard about this book from other mates of mine (non-Cureies too I might add, but I don't hold that against them!!). I've never come across it in my net wanderings though, so I don't have a copy... one day if it's meant too be, I'll see a copy on ebay and get it!! I've got a few other books that are ok, loads of pictures etc... But then these days they pump out all of this stuff as there is a huge market for it now. Whenever there is money to be made, you can be sure of them releasing stuff. It caters both for the teenie boopers, and the old foggies (like me - for nostalgia reasons!!). Thats my view anyway.

MTV is something I've only ever seen bits of here and there, as I live in OZ, we don't get it here on freetoair TV... and I refuse to pay for Austar/Foxtel (we don't get Sky in Oz - thats for all the Brit's in the audience!!). So I'm blissfully unaware of what goes on with MTV. I was told about a Cure special that they did called 'Icons'... I believe it was a series they did on various bands. Apparently they Cure one is really good. I guess I'll never get to see it, so I try not to think too much on that kinda thing!!!

I have to ask you 'iwannashagsimon' if you are aware of The Glove LP? That is the collabaration between Mr Smith and Steve Severin (of The Banshees). Its a thumping bloody good LP too, and has been released as a double delux CD edition - ooohh SPECIAL!!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 01:40:54
Quote from: Sussex on August 23, 2007, 03:52:23


Guys..

how bout the band who love to sniff glue..The Ramones??

I do like the Ramones. BUT - I have discovered over the years that the other people that also like them, I hated! So as a result I only have one CD of theirs, a best of - which in my collection amounts to an insult really. I'm sorry, but as I'm British... the stuff from across the ocean got my goat a bit! It comes back to that age old argument about whether Punk began 1st in America or England.... *yawns* I no were my loyalties lie (hehehe)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 01:53:10
Quote from: Carnage Visor on August 23, 2007, 17:44:16
I like The Ramones, but it's so cliche to say "my favorite punk band is The Ramones!" In my opinion, it's much cooler to say, "I appreciate the post-punk bands like Siouxsie and Magazine...or The Buzzcocks." It's slightly less tedious and typical of a teenager to say.

Also, I use that picture of Robert and Siouxsie alot, it's on my fridge right now, as if we knew them or something...My mom likes it there, as well. So all is good.

(For the record, I do live with my mom, brother, and sister because I am 15...lol)

I have my fridge covered in crap too! But I don't have that particualr image of Mr Smith and Miss Sioux on there... (I use it more on the Net for things.) I had to laugh at your comment "as if we knew them or something..." HAHAHAHAHA... funny!

And I would just like to say that for your age [all of a young vibrant and 'inncocent' - I type that tentatively (hehehe) 15], your comments read very well! Some posts I read (in other forums) from younger people are terrible. Full of obvious grammer/spelling errors. I really worry sometimes for those kids I must say!

Also I agree whole-heartedly with what you said about people saying "my favorite punk band is The Ramones!"... 'nuff said!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 02:21:44
Quote from: Steve on August 23, 2007, 22:12:08
I spent a part of my childhood living in Bromley & remember the Bromley contingent (they were fairly difficult to forget really).
There was a chinese take away on my old paper round called the Hong Kong Garden :D
I still love the punky side of things, but I am an old goff at heart tbh.
But I'll always give the Buzzcocks, Rezillos, 999, Pistols, Only Ones, Magazine etc. an airing on the old cd masheen :-D
I recently unearthed an old tape of an album called 20 of another kind, which is now converted to a digital format & is a regular feature on my itunes selection.

These days, I see a lot of kids with "punk's not dead" tee shirts & think that they wouldn't know punk if it fell on them.
It wasn't about the music tbh, but more the whole attitude, feeling & lifestyle.
I used to get ridiculed at parties when I was a teenager for wanting to listen to the Clash :?
I saw the UK Subs one night in a pub in Worthing & it was one of the roughest gigs I ever went to.
Get p!ssed. Destroy.



LOL LOL LOL "get p!ssed. Destroy" !!! OK your the boss!!!
I'd love to hear more from you about your time in Bromley and 'the contingent'! Just to be nosey really! Thats so odd that there was a Chinese place called Hong Kong Garden!! Just coincidence? Hmm..... Have you seen Marie Antoinette yet? (with Kirsten Dunst as M.A.) I reckon Sofia Coppola (the director) has a love for Siouxsie & The Banshees and The Cure, as she has used Hong Kong Garden (all be it in a classical vein) and All Cats Are Grey... and bugger, I forget which one, but there is another in there somewhere too if I remember rightly! I really really like that film, and will be adding it too my collection!

"These days, I see a lot of kids with "punk's not dead" tee shirts & think that they wouldn't know punk if it fell on them." 

I'll agree with that too. But I do love it when I find a kid with a fan or spikes on their noggin' (or nails as we called them!), and I just have to go over and say hello.. trouble is they seem to recoil whenever I go near them. I don't bite! I just want to chat with them... I really think that this 'new-er generation' of punks are completely different to the ol' school ones. Things have changed, and the new kids are rebelling against different things. So what they regard as being punk/rebellious dosen't marry with what I call being punk/rebellious! Also I think they are a hell of alot more violent and stuck up. I'm not shy in coming forward I have to say, and I've been in many a scrap, and have the war scars to show for it. But they just lose it over nothing it seems, stupid things. I put it down to them wanting this 'street cred.' as they say! HA what a **** really!!! Ok thats my RANT for the day...

UK Subs just toured recently. I made a concious decision to NOT go. For reasons that shall remain my own!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on August 24, 2007, 02:26:01
Well thank you, I am an avid writer and get very good grades in English class!
That era of punk, post-punk, and goth music is my favorite (I'm talking 1978-1985)

I found out about The Cure because I was very fond of 80s music, particularly New Wave and Modern Rock. I was in a play in Chicago at the time, and found myself at Barnes And Noble looking for a "BEST OF THE 80S" type CD, and ended up buying something called, "The Modern Edge". My musical taste shifted a bit. Instead of listening to Duran Duran, I began listening to something better, like The Buzzcocks, the Pistols, and on the CD, a band I had only vaguely heard of called "The Cure".

A day of watching Cure on Youtube, I found that I was actually beginning to really like Robert Smith and his style, music, and stage persona. I became hooked.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 02:56:44
An avid writer hey? Hmm.. interesting!
I too LOVE New Wave/Romantics stuff, and I had a HUGE crush on Simon Le Bon (Duran Duran) and Morten Harket (A-ha.. anyone remember them?!). I'm a tragic figure really!
A friend at school loved The Cure (she was/is a goth!)and brought her walkman in with Kiss Me on it. It was Hot! Hot! Hot! that did it for me... Mr Smiths vocal sound just gave me goosebumps, and they've never left me you know! I get comments on my gooseflesh all that time! LOL only kidding around!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Siouxsie_ on August 24, 2007, 03:03:21
Oh yes, I do like punk very much indeed. It was a gateway drug into other musical genres for me. :-P
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Sussex on August 24, 2007, 03:48:23
Quote from: Carnage Visor on August 23, 2007, 17:44:16
I like The Ramones, but it's so cliche to say "my favorite punk band is The Ramones!" In my opinion, it's much cooler to say, "I appreciate the post-punk bands like Siouxsie and Magazine...or The Buzzcocks." It's slightly less tedious and typical of a teenager to say.




Yeahh..I totally agree with that..but if you want to know,in my country there are less less less less exposure to all the things that we are talking about...

Rare music scene, people here have only little knowledge about all this..they only knew that Nirvana is the singer of 'The Man Who Sold The World', they love boy band, and right now, the impact of Hip Hop and R&B is so huge here...  :smth011
I blame MTV once again!  :evil:
Even "The Cure",if you all want to know, I can say that only a few of Malaysian notice this band..(fortunately im one of them! LOL)

I really feel so down when talking about this... :cry:
but im glad im not among the people who missed all this great great things..

Love old music!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Steve on August 24, 2007, 10:04:47
TBH I was a kid at the time, but I remember them all sort of hanging around in run down shopping precincts looking dead cool.
My mum would go out of her way to avoid them. She thought they were a bad influence.
They weren't too rowdy though. They just used to "hang out" much the same as the emo @rseholes do today.
I guess maybe at night they gave cause for concern, but they weren't what I would call "dangerous".
The Hong Kong Garden Take Away was, I think, just a coincidence, but it was v close to the part of Bromley where Siousxie came from (the posh bit) & I like to think it was somehow connected.
I had a girlfriend who's brother collected all the punk singles. He had them all on his wall & that was where I first heard The Clash & The Pistols.
I also heard Blondie for the first time & this was the one group that my mother would tolerate.
First LP I ever bought was Plastic Letters.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 25, 2007, 07:37:13
Quote from: Steve on August 24, 2007, 10:04:47
TBH I was a kid at the time, but I remember them all sort of hanging around in run down shopping precincts looking dead cool.
My mum would go out of her way to avoid them. She thought they were a bad influence.
They weren't too rowdy though. They just used to "hang out" much the same as the emo @rseholes do today.
I guess maybe at night they gave cause for concern, but they weren't what I would call "dangerous".
The Hong Kong Garden Take Away was, I think, just a coincidence, but it was v close to the part of Bromley where Siousxie came from (the posh bit) & I like to think it was somehow connected.
I had a girlfriend who's brother collected all the punk singles. He had them all on his wall & that was where I first heard The Clash & The Pistols.
I also heard Blondie for the first time & this was the one group that my mother would tolerate.
First LP I ever bought was Plastic Letters.

LOL @ the hanging round... looking dead cool! I guess thats all any kid does really, is just hang around waiting to be seen etc... No one was dangerous back then, today they carry knives and stuff into nighclubs these days - there is a whole different atmosphere to nighclubbing these days. But I'm just an ol' fart so?! (shrugs). I'll agree with you Steve and say that the chinese takeaway's name is connected to the song! It does seem like too much of a co-inkydink really! LOl I remember a friend of mine doing the same thing with ehr LPs and 7"s!! I always thought it was stupid to be honest. If you wanted to listen to it, you had the trouble of getting it off the wall again without scratching it. But then my mate was smart, she copied them all onto cassette tape first!! LOl @ your Mum tolerating Blondie!! hehehehe! Stebe your fisrt vinyl purchase is much 'cooler' than mine! I have to be honest and admit that my first vinyl purchase was the 'Do they know it's Chrsitmas time' LP... you all know the one, where all the 'stars' of the day in England (and then later a similar thing was done in the States, and inlcuded Michael Jackson) got together under Bob Geldof to sing and raise funds to feed Ethiopian Children. It stills gets airplay in my house at Christmas!!!  
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Steve on August 25, 2007, 12:29:10
You're right about the knives & stuff :shock:
I don't go to clubs much these days tbh.
The records on the wall were in some sort of plastic pouches. Similar to the ones you used to get in the shops, so the discs just slipped in & out quite easily.
It's official then. The take away is directly related to the song :-D
We said so & anyone who disagrees can take it up with cherryred & her steel toe capped Docs ;)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: japanesebaby on August 25, 2007, 13:20:55
Quote from: Sussex on August 23, 2007, 03:49:39
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45
I blame MTV. 

Me too..MTV sucks!  :smth078

Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 23, 2007, 03:41:45

The new "punk" bands (like Green Day) just don't do it for me. 

Same here though..Such MtV type! :smth078


green day - ha! they are doing things like 'wroking class hero' and duetting with bono... hey where's the punk in that? hello....
today i dislike green day almost as much i dislike everything emo. it's crap!

i've never been much into punk rock (music) but i used to look like one a long time ago. i guess i was a weird hybrid: i looked like a punk, i had what might be called "a somewhat gothic mindset" but i mostly listened to metal bands anyway.
anyway, i've always had a sort of soft spot for punk as an attitude, even though i always kind of thought the music was going to be short-lived and not something i found really interesting. the thing with punk records for me: i could/can listen to one or two songs from some album but that's enough for me. so i think 7" singles were truly their best medium, not complete albums... with punk rock, i get bored very fast because whereas the attitude/sub-culture itself is very vivid and colorful, the music itself simply lacks contrasts.

anyway, all these new "punk" kids with they brand new misfits t-shirts and their perfectly black clothes, everything bought straight from some over-priced catalogue/online store using their dad's credit card... oh yeah. :roll: i don't mind if i sound like an old hag by saying that, but i am still ten times more punk even today than they are! because they got it all wrong...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 25, 2007, 13:55:52
Quote from: Steve on August 25, 2007, 12:29:10
You're right about the knives & stuff :shock:
I don't go to clubs much these days tbh.
The records on the wall were in some sort of plastic pouches. Similar to the ones you used to get in the shops, so the discs just slipped in & out quite easily.
It's official then. The take away is directly related to the song :-D
We said so & anyone who disagrees can take it up with cherryred & her steel toe capped Docs ;)


LOL :P - yeah.. got a problem I'll sort ya!!  :shock: (hehehehe) cheeky sod you Steve!!! :smth023
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 25, 2007, 14:11:24
japanesebaby:  [[green day - ha! they are doing things like 'wroking class hero' and duetting with bono... hey where's the punk in that? hello....
today i dislike green day almost as much i dislike everything emo. it's crap!]]  

I have 2 points here, well maybe three.. LOL I agree with you firstly. 2ndly - I met a guy that is friends with Greenday, and he said that the singer bloke (don't no his name) gets really pissed/upset that people like us (and I mean oldies that remember the 'proper' punk bands!!!) don't take them seriuosly as a punk band!!! Which I found an odd statement really. But apparently this guy listens to all the stuff we do and really rates it as an influence on him!! All I had to say to that was = well why doesn't his music reflect that! And 3rdly... I had no idea what emo was until recently!!! I guess its a new term for a "new" musical style/scene.. however, my understanding of what it is, is that the music kids today class as "emo" is really just new wave/new romantic stuff from the 80's. Again an old style rehashed into something 'apparently' different. It's all a marketing thing anyway, so the bigboys can get more cashola outta the kids!
Right thats my whinge for the night... more to follow no doubt!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on August 25, 2007, 18:33:46
I like GREEN DAY because I grew up and was born around the time DOOKIE was released, I don't really consider them punk, they are more like Alternative/Pop Rock. They're funny, and that's what I like, and some of their tunes are catchy. But I'm not obsessed, and I don't walk around going, "Hey, I like Green Day so I'm punk!"

I don't think there's a wrong way to be punk, and I think when people set limits like that, that's when the whole "poser" crap comes in. Who's to say the original punks weren't posers? How can one decipher the difference between a real punk and a poseur when punk changes all the time, and every punk band is unique from one another?

It's quite a shame we have these limits as to how one acts and what that represents...and if I want to dress like Johnny Rotten or Sid Vicious, who's to say I can't? Does that mean I'm a poser if I enjoy the fashion in which punks have worn? Or does that just mean that it fits my taste?

All in all, this whole punk/emo/goth thing is overrated, and contradicts itself most of the time. There's no set ways to achieve each standard, and everybody views emo/punk/goth differently. Some people mistake punks for goths, some mistake emos for punks...what does it matter, really? In the end we're all people, we all have our own views on what is cool, so how are you sure, if indeed you are a punk, that someone ISN'T thinking the same of you; thinking YOU are a poser?

We, as people, get into a lot of trouble trying to label each other. Robert hates being called a goth, but many view his messy black hair, black eyeshadow, and introspective lyrics to be of the goth subculture...or worthey thereof. But he doesn't view himself as a goth, so who's right? The people calling him a goth or he himself not thinking that of himself? There is no way to tell which is correct...

So I wrap things up now. I don't even know if anybody read that, but if you did I congradulate you. You have just read some mumbo jumbo written by a 15-year old boy. High-five!

Thanks for your time. I'll be here all week.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 26, 2007, 06:07:15
Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 01:36:11
I have to ask you 'iwannashagsimon' if you are aware of The Glove LP? That is the collabaration between Mr Smith and Steve Severin (of The Banshees). Its a thumping bloody good LP too, and has been released as a double delux CD edition - ooohh SPECIAL!!

Yup.  Been a Glove fan since 1990 when I got the re-issue of "Blue Sunshine" on blue vinyl.  And I just recently got the re-re-issue doluble CD with the bonus songs.  I also have another copy of "Blue Sunshine" on single CD.   3 copies of the same album...man, I gotta be a huge fan. :smth001
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 26, 2007, 06:12:15
Quote from: Steve on August 24, 2007, 10:04:47
The Hong Kong Garden Take Away was, I think, just a coincidence, but it was v close to the part of Bromley where Siousxie came from (the posh bit) & I like to think it was somehow connected.

I read someplace the skinheads used to pick on the Chinese workers at the local take away and Sioux claimed she'd fight them off.  So, I guess the Hong Kong Garden really was the basis for the song. Hanging around there so much it prolly influenced her to write about it.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Steve on August 26, 2007, 11:21:29
I remember seeing a Green Day concert on the tv in a "coffe shop" in Amsterdam many years ago & I was very taken at the way they sounded like the old school punk bands of yesteryear.
There was no-one else really doing that & the closest I have found since then have been The Donna's (female Ramones) & Juliette & the Licks. :rocker
For that reason alone,I started buying their stuff & I have to say that American Idiot was still IMHO a great lp. :-D
But the Bono thing has completely fcuked it all up for me. :smth011
From the second I saw that video, I simply switched off Green Day from my mind :(
I still don't consider GD to be of the emo movement. That whole thing bothers me intensely. I mean...Tokio Hotel :? WTF is all that sh!t about?
Listen to an old punk lp & it is about a bunch of guys/ or girls having a laugh & shouting.
Now take My Chemical Romance or Tokio (can't spell) Hotel.
So over produced & up their own @rses.
I was on a train in Leeds a few weeks back & there were 3 teenage girls boasting about having water spat over them by the MCR singer at a gig :shock:
If it were punk, then it would be the other way around & it would have been beer.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Janko on August 26, 2007, 13:58:48
THERE'S THIS PHOTO OF ROBERT IN LEATHER JACKET WHERE HE TOTALLY LOOKS LIKE JOE STRUMMER...

:-D
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 27, 2007, 08:35:13
Quote from: Carnage Visor on August 25, 2007, 18:33:46
It's quite a shame we have these limits as to how one acts and what that represents...and if I want to dress like Johnny Rotten or Sid Vicious, who's to say I can't? Does that mean I'm a poser if I enjoy the fashion in which punks have worn? Or does that just mean that it fits my taste?

LOL I have NO fashion sense what so ever really... I wear what feels good at the time, and as a result have gotten some odd looks - but I'm used it now.. I am 33 after all.

All in all, this whole punk/emo/goth thing is overrated, and contradicts itself most of the time. There's no set ways to achieve each standard, and everybody views emo/punk/goth differently. Some people mistake punks for goths, some mistake emos for punks...what does it matter, really? In the end we're all people, we all have our own views on what is cool, so how are you sure, if indeed you are a punk, that someone ISN'T thinking the same of you; thinking YOU are a poser?

Too true my 15 year old Cure-ite!

We, as people, get into a lot of trouble trying to label each other. Robert hates being called a goth, but many view his messy black hair, black eyeshadow, and introspective lyrics to be of the goth subculture...or worthey thereof. But he doesn't view himself as a goth, so who's right? The people calling him a goth or he himself not thinking that of himself? There is no way to tell which is correct...

I've always thought the labelling thing as just a means to try and understand where a person is coming from! Plus, I've always said you can tell alot about a person by the shoes they wear...

So I wrap things up now. I don't even know if anybody read that, but if you did I congradulate you. (Why thankyou kind Sir!!!)You have just read some mumbo jumbo written by a 15-year old boy. High-five!

Thanks for your time. I'll be here all week. <-HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 27, 2007, 08:45:09
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 26, 2007, 06:07:15
Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 24, 2007, 01:36:11
I have to ask you 'iwannashagsimon' if you are aware of The Glove LP? That is the collabaration between Mr Smith and Steve Severin (of The Banshees). Its a thumping bloody good LP too, and has been released as a double delux CD edition - ooohh SPECIAL!!

Yup.  Been a Glove fan since 1990 when I got the re-issue of "Blue Sunshine" on blue vinyl.  And I just recently got the re-re-issue doluble CD with the bonus songs.  I also have another copy of "Blue Sunshine" on single CD.   3 copies of the same album...man, I gotta be a huge fan. :smth001

Excellent! (as Mr Burns would say... umm, you have to imagine it people!!) I have the LP too and also the Like An Animal 12", but nothing in blue vinyl - that sounds really cool!! I'm a tad jealous of that I must say! I really really LOVE Jeanette Landray's vocals too... Wish I could sing like her!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 27, 2007, 08:47:14
Quote from: Steve on August 26, 2007, 11:21:29
I was on a train in Leeds a few weeks back & there were 3 teenage girls boasting about having water spat over them by the MCR singer at a gig :shock:
If it were punk, then it would be the other way around & it would have been beer.



HAHAHAHAHAHA, too bloody true! OMG! that kinda stuff takes you back.... :smth023
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 28, 2007, 07:13:16
Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 27, 2007, 08:45:09

Excellent! (as Mr Burns would say... umm, you have to imagine it people!!) I have the LP too and also the Like An Animal 12", but nothing in blue vinyl - that sounds really cool!! I'm a tad jealous of that I must say! I really really LOVE Jeanette Landray's vocals too... Wish I could sing like her!

That reminds me!  I also got the Like An Animal 7".  Paid $32 ($39ASD)for it at a record convention.  I also have some Glove tv appearances too. If you never saw them....here they are thanks to someone at youtube.  (How nice they put both of them on one video--getting 2 for the price of one. :smth001)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-OLykgeubI

BTW, here's what the blue vinyl Blue Sunshine looks like:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/iwannashagsimon/glove_us_blueLP1.jpg)

It's for sale on ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Glove-Blue-Sunshine-LP-Cure-Siouxsie-Blue-Vinyl_W0QQitemZ140150841937QQihZ004QQcategoryZ306QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 28, 2007, 08:03:05
Ah cheers there for that youtube link... I've only got damned dialup (as I'm in the bush!) so I've saved it to my fav's in the hope that one day I may be able to download it and watch it fully!!! I actually didn't realise they'd done video's! Pleasant surprise I must say. And BAD :smth076 :smth021 you for posting that ebay link.... no no no! I must not go on ebay, it's far too dangerous!! I've spent too much money already on expnading my vinyl collection! And have been BANNED from it by my partner... LOL, however I do still sneak the odd auction in from time to time without him knowing!! (hehehehe). It's actually interesting too discover all the different releases in vinyl colours. Hmm, me thinks a new topic has been born!!!  
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 28, 2007, 08:11:02
Technically the Glove never shot any videos.  They just performed on some UK show.

If you get a copy of The Banshees "Noctune" on DVD that features the "Play At Home" tv special that includes the video for "A Blues In Drag". :)

Or you can just have your friend let ya see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdSNcXBsg8k


Not the best sound or image quality...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 29, 2007, 00:03:27
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 28, 2007, 08:11:02
Technically the Glove never shot any videos.  They just performed on some UK show.

If you get a copy of The Banshees "Noctune" on DVD that features the "Play At Home" tv special that includes the video for "A Blues In Drag". :)

Or you can just have your friend let ya see this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdSNcXBsg8k


Not the best sound or image quality...



Cheers there... me thinks I should just purchase the DVD!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Purple Orchid on August 30, 2007, 00:33:06
I can't remember how did I get to the punk stuff, but it must have been through The Cure (listening comments on the radio that the hair was punk, and even the lyrics, well, that was the perception) that I bought "Never Mind The Bollocks", then I listened to The Clash, Joy Division (their first single is completely punk and I absolutely love the Warsaw album), and from there, The Buzzcocks, The Jam and all the post punk (it's hard to draw a line) P.I.L., Siouxsie, etc. Onle recently have I bought a couple Ramones alums (they have kind of always been there, and I had underestimated them for bieng more "accesible", besides, I'm more fond of british punk). (through Morrissey I got to listen to The New York Dolls of course!)
I've also become a fan of punk documentaries: The Filth & The Fury by Julian Temple (The Great Rock'n'roll Swindle sucks, but let's not forget Chris Parry's on both), Punk by Don Letts, Westway to the World and the episodes on punk from Dancing in The Street and The TNT History of Rock'n'Roll.
Sex Pistols, Joy Division, The Clash, Ramones, The Jam and The Stooges are in fact a few of my favorite groups nowadays...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 31, 2007, 09:16:02
Hey Purple Orchid, I've got some of those docos too... LOL I forgot all about them until now! Cheers there, I'll have to get 'em outta the cupboard and have another watch. Most of them I've taped of the tele! Although when I watch stuff like that on the tele, it just gets me in the mood for going out and causing havoc - and doing that now at my age.... well it's not a pretty sight anymore!!! hehehehe
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on August 31, 2007, 10:09:13
Quote from: Purple Orchid on August 30, 2007, 00:33:06
The Great Rock'n'roll Swindle sucks

I got that for Christmas the year before last!  Yeah, I admit it's not that great.  But Sid doing "My Way" is a punk classic. :-D

Also..don't forget "The Punk Rock Movie". :rocker

Just thought of something....ever notice when there is either a book or film about punk rock The Cure are rarely if ever menitoned?
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on September 01, 2007, 00:08:27
Wow, I left for a few days and a HUUUUGE conversation took place without me! GOOOORRRSH!

Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Steve on September 02, 2007, 03:08:28
Yeah sorry CV.
Wanna add anything? :D
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on September 02, 2007, 09:47:51
Ah LOL Carnage (love this bloody ID of yours - so jealous, why didn't I think of it before you and use it??? Bugger!!) forums tend to do that... you step away from the coversation for just a few minutes, and your lost!!! Never mind, there is plenty of reading for you now! :smth023
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Purple Orchid on September 03, 2007, 21:24:39
Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 31, 2007, 10:09:13

I got that for Christmas the year before last!  Yeah, I admit it's not that great.  But Sid doing "My Way" is a punk classic. :-D


Absolutely!!!

Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 31, 2007, 10:09:13


Also..don't forget "The Punk Rock Movie". :rocker


The name sounds familiar to me but can´t remember anything else about it, and of course, have never never watched it. Can you tell us a bit about it?

Quote from: iwannashagsimon on August 31, 2007, 10:09:13

Just thought of something....ever notice when there is either a book or film about punk rock The Cure are rarely if ever menitoned?

It's true. At least they´re on the "No Thanks! The 70's Punk rebellion" Box Set.
The book on it is great, has great pictures, date of recording and release, personnel details, cat. no. in the case of singles of every track! Quite a few rare ones on it...not excellently mastered I should say. It has no pistols tracks because they refused to be inluded...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on September 03, 2007, 21:46:19
That pisses me off...every book I read about "The best punk bands" or "best of the 80s" I hardly ever see The Cure. And if I do, it's always some half-assed little section referring to them as "doom and gloom"...and then a full page of Madonna (who looks like she smells) and Boy George...ugh!

And go into Rock America, there are 5000+ POISON shirts and one Cure shirt. This world is f*cked up.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: japanesebaby on September 03, 2007, 22:15:28
Quote from: Carnage Visor on September 03, 2007, 21:46:19
That pisses me off...every book I read about "The best punk bands" or "best of the 80s" I hardly ever see The Cure. And if I do, it's always some half-assed little section referring to them as "doom and gloom"...and then a full page of Madonna (who looks like she smells) and Boy George...ugh!

And go into Rock America, there are 5000+ POISON shirts and one Cure shirt. This world is f*cked up.

right. i think "the problem with the cure and genre-oriented literature" (ok i know that sounds pretty stupid) is that whenever you pick up a book written about some specific genre, be it punk or goth or something else, the cure often barely gets more than a footnote there. i guess it's because they really don't thoroughly and easily fit in any genre out there - so the writers kind of feel like they need to mention them but can't really focus on them anyway. so always being somewhat outsiders... but that's what i really like about them anyway.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on September 04, 2007, 00:42:48
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 03, 2007, 22:15:28because they really don't thoroughly and easily fit in any genre out there - so the writers kind of feel like they need to mention them but can't really focus on them anyway. so always being somewhat outsiders... but that's what i really like about them anyway.

Exactly! Good call. Like Kate Bush, they can fit into many chategories...but because of their uniqueness, not one suits them well enough. They are THE CURE genre.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on September 04, 2007, 06:23:14
Quote from: Purple Orchid on September 03, 2007, 21:24:39
The name sounds familiar to me but can´t remember anything else about it, and of course, have never never watched it. Can you tell us a bit about it?

The Punk Rock Movie was filmed in 1977 by then Roxy DJ Don Letts (who later joined Big Audio Dynamite) with his 8mm camera.   It was basically a "bird's eye view" of the music scene that was happening at the time.

You can check it out here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4101813390428941237


What's great is it seems that google link is the whole film and not just a small clip. :rocker
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on September 05, 2007, 23:11:25
Another great video documenting the punk-New Wave movement is "URGH! A MUSIC WAR!" which has Echo and the Bunnymen, Wall Of Voodoo, The Police, The Cramps, and more!

Boy, that sounded like a plug, didn't it?  :twisted:
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on September 06, 2007, 06:50:22
I've seen that "Urgh! A Music War!" film a few times.   I honestly didn't think much of it.  Only cared for 999.   The others are just so-so.
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on September 06, 2007, 23:43:49
Really? I thought it was a fantastic blend of music. What's 999?
Anyway, I'm also a fan of WALL OF VOODOO and their unique style of music, so I guess it helps if you like the bands in the video in the first place...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: billee on September 07, 2007, 14:30:57
Thanks for the youtube link iwannashagsimon

Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on September 09, 2007, 14:31:41
Quote from: Carnage Visor on September 06, 2007, 23:43:49
What's 999?

A band that is featured on that "URGH! A Music War" film.   They are most known for the songs "Homicide" and "Emergency"
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: iwannashagsimon on September 09, 2007, 14:32:49
Quote from: billee on September 07, 2007, 14:30:57
Thanks for the youtube link iwannashagsimon



You are welcome.   



(Shh..it's Google!  Not Youtube. :smth002)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Purple Orchid on July 16, 2008, 17:13:03
I was watching yesterday John Lydon's Best of British 1£ ♪♪s DVD and right before "Silver Machine" from Crystal Palace 2002 with the Pistols he says something like "Thank God not everybody went to see The Cure". I wasn't sure about it, but I checked the dates, and that same day, The Cure played in Hyde Park on "Route of Kings". It would have been very hard for me to choose from!!!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: revolt on July 16, 2008, 17:39:15
Favourite punk band for me would have to be The Stooges. Or must you consider them "proto-punk" or something, since they started way before the punk movement hit it big in Britain (their 1st album is from 1969)? Anyway, Iggy Pop is THE PUNK PERFORMER...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: revolt on July 17, 2008, 11:03:27
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 25, 2007, 13:20:55

green day - ha! they are doing things like 'wroking class hero' and duetting with bono... hey where's the punk in that?


Green Day might not be punk at all (that´s my opinion too) but that John Lennon song (the original, I mean), even though it's all acoustic, has actually the intensity and 'piss-off' attitude of the best punk...


Quote from: japanesebaby on August 25, 2007, 13:20:55

with punk rock, i get bored very fast because whereas the attitude/sub-culture itself is very vivid and colorful, the music itself simply lacks contrasts.


Do you know the first 2 albums by the Banshees? Because contrasts is a thing they don't lack, I think...
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 30, 2008, 14:45:26
Anyone know Skrewdriver? If you do, say no more hey!
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: japanesebaby on August 30, 2008, 15:09:17
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 11:03:27
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 25, 2007, 13:20:55

green day - ha! they are doing things like 'wroking class hero' and duetting with bono... hey where's the punk in that?


Green Day might not be punk at all (that´s my opinion too) but that John Lennon song (the original, I mean), even though it's all acoustic, has actually the intensity and 'piss-off' attitude of the best punk...

sure, i agree that punk is definitely about attitude, not about the genre. so surely the lennon original can be considered somewhat punk. but what i meant was that things don't "stay punk" by themselves, no matter what - you need to "keep it punk". i mean you can take some sex pistols song that's supposed to be 200% punk and put some brainless idols winner perform it in some dreadful R&B fashion and i bet you can be sure the "punk" in it will be all gone.
so i think that's what happened to 'working class hero' in the hands of bono & the green boys.


Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 11:03:27
Do you know the first 2 albums by the Banshees? Because contrasts is a thing they don't lack, I think...

i know them but i'm not very fond of them. never really liked the banshees, old or new (although old is better than new), if i dare to admit it in public here....  :eek:
anyway, perhaps i was thinking more like HC punk, when i said there's no contrasts (really can't remember what i was thinking as it was... pretty much one year ago when i said that. :-P)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Janko on August 30, 2008, 18:14:18
Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 30, 2008, 14:45:26
Anyone know Skrewdriver? If you do, say no more hey!

The nazis?!

I heard that the early singles were not nazi at all...

:smth023

:-D
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: Carnage Visor on August 31, 2008, 00:59:40
I just thought of this the other day...

The Cure are more punk (in their ideologies and all) than most "punk groups" that followed. I mean, they have such tongue-in-cheek, biting, yet sophisticated and metaphorical lyrics...they push bondaries. I mean, that was pretty punk, Simon shouting "f*ck Robert Palmer...", it's that kind of attitude that I consider to be punk.

It's like, "I'm not meant to be here, but so what?" (which incidentally is part of the lyrics to the song "So What"... ;)
Title: Re: The Cure and PUNK
Post by: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 31, 2008, 03:32:41
Quote from: Janko on August 30, 2008, 18:14:18
Quote from: ~*CherryRed*~ on August 30, 2008, 14:45:26
Anyone know Skrewdriver? If you do, say no more hey!

The nazis?!

I heard that the early singles were not nazi at all...

:smth023

:-D

No they weren't. Their first album is brilliant! They moved into the Skinhead scene, and then progressed into the RAC side of things. They had balls no one can deny that! And thats waht I love about 'em!