:-D
Quote4:13 DREAM WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
AND WILL SOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
01 UNDERNEATH THE STARS
02 THE ONLY ONE
03 THE REASONS WHY
04 FREAKSHOW
05 SIRENSONG
06 THE REAL SNOW WHITE
07 THE HUNGRY GHOST
08 SWITCH
09 THE PERFECT BOY
10 THIS. HERE AND NOW. WITH YOU
11 SLEEP WHEN I'M DEAD
12 THE SCREAM
13 IT'S OVER
IT WILL BE THE SAME EVERYWHERE
(AAAAAH... JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS?!!)
AND WILL BE AVAILABLE ON CD, VINYL AND ONLINE...
MORE EXCITING NEWS ABOUT STUFF AND STUFF IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS...
RSX
PS
TAKING BETS NOW AGAINST 'DARK ALBUM' COMPANION PIECE OUT BEFORE MY BIRTHDAY 2009... HA!
OR NOT SO HA...
Nice bunch of titles there. Lots of "THE" though, haha.
Baby Rag Dog Book got a new name I guess :smth023
Did anyone else think of Siouxsie & The Banshees when looking at this list? They had an album called 'The Scream' and also had a song on it called 'Switch'.
Quote from: tigermilk on September 16, 2008, 08:04:14
Baby Rag Dog Book got a new name I guess :smth023
and 'a boy i never knew'?
Quote from: tigermilk on September 16, 2008, 08:04:14
Did anyone else think of Siouxsie & The Banshees when looking at this list? They had an album called 'The Scream' and also had a song on it called 'Switch'.
no but every time i hear/someone mentions 'sleep when i'm dead' i can't help thinking of bon jovi... :eek:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB2DNkaL3Y
:? :-D
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 16, 2008, 09:42:43
and 'a boy i never knew'?
Might be released on the "dark" album in 2009? (Or let's say 2012?)
At least this tracklist could be the correct one (I'm guessing). :lol:
Indeed, where is Boy? That was right up there with UTS of the live songs.
Not complaining, just curious. Seriously jazzing for this record.
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 16, 2008, 09:42:43
Quote from: tigermilk on September 16, 2008, 08:04:14
Baby Rag Dog Book got a new name I guess :smth023
and 'a boy i never knew'?
Quote from: tigermilk on September 16, 2008, 08:04:14
Did anyone else think of Siouxsie & The Banshees when looking at this list? They had an album called 'The Scream' and also had a song on it called 'Switch'.
no but every time i hear/someone mentions 'sleep when i'm dead' i can't help thinking of bon jovi... :eek:
http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=xEB2DNkaL3Y
:? :-D
That´s a nice tactic to make us all appreciate SWID a little more... :-D
PS: I sincerly hope, though, that it's the last time that Jovi guy is mentioned in this forum.... :smth011
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 16, 2008, 07:21:50
:-D
Quote4:13 DREAM WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
AND WILL SOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
01 UNDERNEATH THE STARS
02 THE ONLY ONE
03 THE REASONS WHY
04 FREAKSHOW
05 SIRENSONG
06 THE REAL SNOW WHITE
07 THE HUNGRY GHOST
08 SWITCH
09 THE PERFECT BOY
10 THIS. HERE AND NOW. WITH YOU
11 SLEEP WHEN I'M DEAD
12 THE SCREAM
13 IT'S OVER
IT WILL BE THE SAME EVERYWHERE
(AAAAAH... JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS?!!)
AND WILL BE AVAILABLE ON CD, VINYL AND ONLINE...
MORE EXCITING NEWS ABOUT STUFF AND STUFF IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS...
RSX
PS
TAKING BETS NOW AGAINST 'DARK ALBUM' COMPANION PIECE OUT BEFORE MY BIRTHDAY 2009... HA!
OR NOT SO HA...
It's good to find many unknown songs in there. But at the same time, all the 4 singles are there. And having UTS followed by "The Only One" as opening sequence doesn't sound like a good idea to me... Plus "Freakshow" as 4th track... I hope there are some real good songs in there, but I sincerely doubt that this is going to work as an album. :?
I think it's pretty clear 'Baby Rag Dog Book' is 'It's Over'. Just listen to the lyrics ;)
And just like I suspected back in May when RS first mentioned the "Dark album", no 'A Boy I Never Knew'.
Dark album before Robert's birthday? Hmmm...or on Robert's birthday, which happens to fall on a Tuesday.
Quote from: revolt on September 16, 2008, 11:21:53
but I sincerely doubt that this is going to work as an album. :?
so friggin negative dude!!
I wonder what other exciting stuff their going to tell us in the next few days...hmmmmmm more tour dates??? (a girl can dream)
So there are only 13 tracks! :shock:
Oh, it's ok, as long as the quality-level is as high as The Cure uses to do (and I'm sure about that!!)
Quote from: RSXTAKING BETS NOW AGAINST 'DARK ALBUM' COMPANION PIECE OUT BEFORE MY BIRTHDAY 2009... HA!
OR NOT SO HA...
I bet there will be a Dark Album! For sure!
Otherwise, which one is A Boy I Never Knew?
Quote13 IT'S OVER
:lol:
Quote from: NeverForget on September 16, 2008, 19:15:26
So there are only 13 tracks! :shock:
Yeah, what about the double album?? :shock:
Anyway, I'm very happy to see my favourite new song "underneath the stars" in these tracklist! :)
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 16, 2008, 07:21:50
:-D
Quote4:13 DREAM WILL LOOK SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
OR NOT SO HA...
Cool!
I hope it will be an OK album...
Maybe BRDB got canned?!
I doubt that BRDB got canned, It definitely "It's Over" Just listen to the lyrics
Quote from: revolt on September 16, 2008, 11:21:53
It's good to find many unknown songs in there. But at the same time, all the 4 singles are there. And having UTS followed by "The Only One" as opening sequence doesn't sound like a good idea to me... Plus "Freakshow" as 4th track... I hope there are some real good songs in there, but I sincerely doubt that this is going to work as an album. :?
if it bothers you that certain songs follow each other, buy the CD and put it on "shuffle"in your cd player.... I personally don't see the relevance of having "Freakshow" as the 4th. track, as in why does that matter to you?? But I guess I'm biased because I LOVE "Freakshow"!
Quote from: melly on September 17, 2008, 11:12:33
Quote from: revolt on September 16, 2008, 11:21:53
It's good to find many unknown songs in there. But at the same time, all the 4 singles are there. And having UTS followed by "The Only One" as opening sequence doesn't sound like a good idea to me... Plus "Freakshow" as 4th track... I hope there are some real good songs in there, but I sincerely doubt that this is going to work as an album. :?
if it bothers you that certain songs follow each other, buy the CD and put it on "shuffle"in your cd player.... I personally don't see the relevance of having "Freakshow" as the 4th. track, as in why does that matter to you?? But I guess I'm biased because I LOVE "Freakshow"!
You know, it's up to the musicians to come up with a good song-sequence, not to listeners. I know that in this i-Tune days most people don't care about albums and probably don't even know what makes a good album, but I care and I do. :twisted:
What I meant is that the first 4 songs will not work as a sequence and that is enough to bring the whole album down... That wild-mood-swings or emotional-rollercoaster kind of sequencing songs only works if the songs are really good in themselves, and I don't think that Only One or Freakshow are good enough. Even if that 3rd song proves to be a masterpiece, the feel you get from it will be ruined by having it sandwiched between those 2 not-good-enough songs... At this time in their career The Cure really need to come up with a strong album and all information we have until now seems to indicate we'll be up for another disappointment. That's all.
I always try to look at positive aspects - and as such I pointed out it was good to find many apparently unknown songs on the tracklist - but for now there just aren't many of those. And the cover art is far from brilliant, too. It follows the style of the singles art but it looks a bit tasteless to me...
well, all I gotta say is that the positive comments coming from COF and yes, the Official site are so good to read... it makes me smile to see so many people happy and excited, lifts the spirits... lots of different views, which is great, but the feeling in those two sites overall, are positive and happy, such good vibes...
Quote from: melly on September 17, 2008, 12:07:28
positive comments coming from COF and yes, the Official site
I see a lot of complaining that 'A Boy I Never Knew' and 'Please Come Home' were omitted from the album. Also, several people are bitching about the new title for 'Baby Rag Dog Book'.
That's positive? :smth017
Look, maybe we're just a bit more critical of the band here on curefans. We expect the best from them because we know they are capable of delivering, or at least would like to still believe that they are. People here are excited about the new album, too. Just because we don't write posts about how cute Robert is, how we snuck up to the front row of a show and Robert smiled at us, or how much we LOVE 'Freakshow' doesn't mean we aren't highly anticipating October 28th. I'm positive Dream 4:13 is going to contain some excellent tracks that will soon wash the bad taste that is Hypnagogic States out of my mouth.
I'm looking forward to the album. And I'm actually glad 'A Boy I Never Knew', 'Strum' and 'Please Come Home' are not on the album because they would conflict with the happier songs like 'Freakshow' and 'The Only One' etc too much. It's probably a good move to leave them until the next 'darker' album. Imagine if the extra-happy 'Just Say Yes' was on Bloodflowers, it just wouldn't work. By the way, I absolutely looooove 'The Only One', 'Freakshow' and 'The Perfect Boy. And the B-Sides were excellent (except for 'Without You' which I can't listen to). Anyway, I'm rambling... Bring on the album!! Can't wait to hear the other songs!!!
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 17, 2008, 17:20:12Look, maybe we're just a bit more critical of the band here on curefans. We expect the best from them because we know they are capable of delivering, or at least would like to still believe that they are. People here are excited about the new album, too. Just because we don't write posts about how cute Robert is, how we snuck up to the front row of a show and Robert smiled at us, or how much we LOVE 'Freakshow' doesn't mean we aren't highly anticipating October 28th.
Couldn't have said it any better or more succinctly than that :smth023. The band in its current configuration has the potential to make one of the best Cure albums yet. I'm just hoping they don't blow that opportunity. The planets of sound have aligned for them again. They have the chance to show the world why so many of us still care about them. I think this album could be as great as Wish. I know I haven't been this thrilled and interested in Cure activities since 1992.
Im not surprised Please Come Home and A Boy I never Knew werent on the album. Just because during some of their US shows they played the skeleton of their new album which was
Underneath The Stars
The Only One
Sleep When I'm Dead
The Perfect Boy
Freakshow
Its Over (Baby Rag Dog Book)
I guess the thoughts are, did the aforementioned tracks not make the final cut because they are being held over for something else, or they just weren't deemed good enough, or not fit in.
Most would agree that at least Boy I Never Knew sounded like a great track and one the band were confident enough in to play live.
I'm certainly cautious with talk of the so called "Dark Album" as it sounds more like a pipe dream for nostalgic fans, and given the delayed release schedules of recent times we could be waiting a while for those tracks to surface.
Seems there will be some announcements in the next few days, so hopefulyl all will be revealed soon!
Quote from: Cold Colours on September 17, 2008, 19:33:08
...I think this album could be as great as Wish. I know I haven't been this thrilled and interested in Cure activities since 1992.
I kindda feel the same. Since WMS the band was going down and down. I hope 4:13Dream brings something good.
Regarding being it as good as Wish... frankly I don´t think so but has to be better than the previous three albums as Robert has brought to life songs from the past and Jason took some good ideas for the drum patterns from Boris demos. Not the same sound and power of Boris though.
Quote from: patitodark on September 18, 2008, 16:46:36
Since WMS the band was going down and down. I hope 4:13Dream brings something good.
It's funny how opinions can be so different among Cure fans... Because my impression is that that band has been improving since WMS. Not a huge improvement, surely, but at least something with a positive sign...
But I also think that in all these cases, if it had been possible somehow to kidnapp Robert after the completion of recording sessions and give the responsibility of chosing the track-list and sequencing to someone with better judgement, then none of us would be here complaining about anything. :-D
I see all you moaners here beeing at odds with the band whenever they try to make an album which means not the darkest and most hopeless work in music history.
Beside from struggeling with TMU, The Cure, for the first time in 30 years seems totaly harmonizing, Robert totaly burgeons in the current line up and that is what you hear on the singles. Robert did make a dark album whenever he felt like that and I'm sure he'll keep on doing that. I'd f*cking be pissed off that band, if every damned album was a dark album on and on and on and on...but no way! The Cure's dicography is far from that. It's not black or white, it's simply just like life with it's sad moments but also with evey other emotion featured, even that playful happiness and that's why I'm such a fan and that's also why you never could say: "This or that album of The Cure ist better or worse." Or things like since 'Wish' or 'Bloodflowers' or f*ck knows everything with The Cure went wrong. As long as emotions get expressed and worded in an authentical way and this for The Cure was and will always be the case, I may...well..not automaticly love but at least may respect every album in it's existence and for being kind of candid music, which nowadays is rare as all of us know.
So however much the songs on 4:13 may touch me, I can hear the truth speaking out of the music and thus say it's f*cking The Cure and I f*cking love them, though.
Well..I'm looking forward 8)
They only make dark albums every so often but when they do its a real treat. I think were long overdue for another one though. We prolly will get some darker material in one form or another, hopefully by next year
First post here guys...Hooorayyyy!!!
Thought I would check this site out. I am usually on the "official" site.
Now on topic. Whatever The Cure gives me I listen to, except WMS. BF is one of their finest. 4:13 Dream is going to be a pleasant surprise, as will the "Dark" album. Remember, I Think Robert said they recorded 33 songs or so.
Robert posted more, later (09/19) within the the same post (Dream 13)..
Quote9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
190908 UPDATE:
I WROTE
"IT WILL BE THE SAME EVERYWHERE
(AAAAAH... JUST LIKE THE OLD DAYS?!!)"
AND IT WILL!
13 TRACKS (54:32?) E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E...
ON CD, VINYL AND ONLINE
(ALTHOUGH SOMETHING OF A PROBLEM WITH THE VINYL ART AT PRESENT AS IT APPEARS TMU'S FAVOURED PRINTERS 'CAN'T PRINT COLOUR INSIDE BAGS'...LEADING ME TO WONDER WHY THEY WOULD BE A RECORD COMPANY'S FAVOURED PRINTERS... ??? ANYWAY... )
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ONLINE RETAILERS SUGGESTING VARIOUS OTHER VERSIONS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE...
BUT THEY ARE MISINFORMED!
AND I AM HOPING THAT (GIVEN THE USUAL FEW WEEKS) THEY WILL REMOVE THEIR ERRONEOUS SUGGESTIONS...
REST ASSURED THEY ARE BEING PRESSURED TO GET IT RIGHT...
THIS JUST IN FROM TMU:
Our Japan office confirms that they have told their contacts that there is just the one tracklisting for the album and have asked for incorrect info to be expeditiously removed.
AND NEXT UP IS...
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 19, 2008, 08:36:59
Quote9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
(ALTHOUGH SOMETHING OF A PROBLEM WITH THE VINYL ART AT PRESENT AS IT APPEARS TMU'S FAVOURED PRINTERS 'CAN'T PRINT COLOUR INSIDE BAGS'...LEADING ME TO WONDER WHY THEY WOULD BE A RECORD COMPANY'S FAVOURED PRINTERS... ??? ANYWAY... )
that must be a joke or... :eek:
once again robert, just as soon as humanly possible make sure you jump that joke ship called universal!
:-D
i like the idea that there will be no special editions anywhere. everyone can enjoy the same album and a lot of people will save their money, not having to buy some zimbabwean pressing too just because of one extra song.
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 18, 2008, 21:58:42
I see all you moaners here beeing at odds with the band whenever they try to make an album which means not the darkest and most hopeless work in music history.
Well, you see badly... Maybe that pair of sunglasses you wear at the end of your message needs some cleaning? :twisted:
I'm a fan of TIB, The Top and KMKMKM, none of which is "the darkest and most hopeless work in music history". So your reasoning there fails.
I just think that if The Cure can't write really good pop songs anymore - and that seems to be the case at least since "The 13th" - then they should go instead for harder/darker/trippier stuff. Simple as that. But if a new silly pop song comes along that sounds really good, then I'll be the first to say "release it now!".
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 19, 2008, 10:04:46
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 19, 2008, 08:36:59
Quote9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
(ALTHOUGH SOMETHING OF A PROBLEM WITH THE VINYL ART AT PRESENT AS IT APPEARS TMU'S FAVOURED PRINTERS 'CAN'T PRINT COLOUR INSIDE BAGS'...LEADING ME TO WONDER WHY THEY WOULD BE A RECORD COMPANY'S FAVOURED PRINTERS... ??? ANYWAY... )
that must be a joke or... :eek:
once again robert, just as soon as humanly possible make sure you jump that joke ship called universal!
:-D
i like the idea that there will be no special editions anywhere. everyone can enjoy the same album and a lot of people will save their money, not having to buy some zimbabwean pressing too just because of one extra song.
f*cking Oath!
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 19, 2008, 12:00:14
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 19, 2008, 10:04:46
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 19, 2008, 08:36:59
Quote9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
(ALTHOUGH SOMETHING OF A PROBLEM WITH THE VINYL ART AT PRESENT AS IT APPEARS TMU'S FAVOURED PRINTERS 'CAN'T PRINT COLOUR INSIDE BAGS'...LEADING ME TO WONDER WHY THEY WOULD BE A RECORD COMPANY'S FAVOURED PRINTERS... ??? ANYWAY... )
that must be a joke or... :eek:
once again robert, just as soon as humanly possible make sure you jump that joke ship called universal!
:-D
i like the idea that there will be no special editions anywhere. everyone can enjoy the same album and a lot of people will save their money, not having to buy some zimbabwean pressing too just because of one extra song.
f*cking Oath!
:-D
Quote from: revolt on September 19, 2008, 11:01:09
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 18, 2008, 21:58:42
I see all you moaners here beeing at odds with the band whenever they try to make an album which means not the darkest and most hopeless work in music history.
Well, you see badly... Maybe that pair of sunglasses you wear at the end of your message needs some cleaning? :twisted:
I'm a fan of TIB, The Top and KMKMKM, none of which is "the darkest and most hopeless work in music history". So your reasoning there fails.
I just think that if The Cure can't write really good pop songs anymore - and that seems to be the case at least since "The 13th" - then they should go instead for harder/darker/trippier stuff. Simple as that. But if a new silly pop song comes along that sounds really good, then I'll be the first to say "release it now!".
Cleaned my sunglasses and saw you not at the guys I was spoken to. Now just clean yours and look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever... And finally I'm NOT with you as I love the WMS Singles (if they'd also lift "Return", would have made their best single for, well...a long long time) I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one? TEOTW sounded brilliant, the new ones do (even if the production is open to dispute). So, it's not that I don't like BF or whatever you could call 'darker/harder/trippier stuff'. I really really adore it...in the rancorous moments of life. But If I'm jumping for joy it uses to sound so booooooringly serious and I go listen to 'the 13th' and adore it :P
Usually for sure I'm able to hear both as I feel both - happy and sad at the same time and thus, I use to enjoy everything. I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again so I would lost my loopy-swingy-funky-fancy-dancy-cure :smth041
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44
look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever...
I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again
Well, I don't think that there is anyone here that only likes the dark stuff. And even if there is someone like that, it will be a small minority, clearly not enough to enable you to talk of some "consensus" on this matter.
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44
I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one?
Well, writing a really good pop song is probably MORE DIFFICULT than writing a good serious dark song. It requires a spontaneity, a sort of joyful moment of inspiration that just cannot be summoned at your own will. That is, you cannot just write a good pop song because you have decided to. Whereas with more serious stuff, it is possible to get there through sheer effort... That is, if you try hard enough you will eventually come out with something interesting - maybe not a masterpiece, because that would also require true "magical" inspiration, but at least something worthwhile.
Quote from: revolt on September 17, 2008, 11:35:46
I always try to look at positive aspects
Thanks, that made my day! :lol:
On topic: It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason. Fine. But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44
Cleaned my sunglasses and saw you not at the guys I was spoken to. Now just clean yours and look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever... And finally I'm NOT with you as I love the WMS Singles (if they'd also lift "Return", would have made their best single for, well...a long long time) I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one? TEOTW sounded brilliant, the new ones do (even if the production is open to dispute). So, it's not that I don't like BF or whatever you could call 'darker/harder/trippier stuff'. I really really adore it...in the rancorous moments of life. But If I'm jumping for joy it uses to sound so booooooringly serious and I go listen to 'the 13th' and adore it :P
Usually for sure I'm able to hear both as I feel both - happy and sad at the same time and thus, I use to enjoy everything. I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again so I would lost my loopy-swingy-funky-fancy-dancy-cure :smth041
Couldn't agree more! :smth023
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason.
That's not true. I have always "accepted" that many fans like the new singles. I just don't share their opinion.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.
Well, I could just use that same kind of reasoning and say that they aren't "good" just because you like them.
They are "bad" FOR ME. Well, not really bad, just average.
Quote from: revolt on September 19, 2008, 18:25:33
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason.
That's not true. I have always "accepted" that many fans like the new singles. I just don't share their opinion.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.
Well, I could just use that same kind of reasoning and say that they aren't "good" just because you like them.
They are "bad" FOR ME. Well, not really bad, just average.
points well made. it always baffles me how people who like the songs should feel somehow irritated/bothered about some other people not liking them (or the other way round, just as well). because it's not some sort of "whose opinion should rule?" contest here, and there's no universal "point" out there that anyone "should get".
i believe that at all times the most fruitful conversation springs from people going a bit further/deeper and discussing
why they like or dislike something, the reasons behind their impressions - and in such a conversation it's actually more or less completely irrelevant whether everyone mutually agrees liking something or not!
i don't think it ever was a requirement for conducting/participating on a fruitful and interesting conversation that people first need to have the very same likes/dislikes. actually, the more diverse opinions we have, the more potential there is for an interesting conversation and exchange of ideas.
and the way i understand conversation, it's not about trying to make people to agree with you or me or anyone.
i'm not saying this to irritate anyone. i just find it a bit odd, that we should focus on this at all. why don't we discuss the whys behind our likes (or dislikes) instead of wondering "how come someone doesn't agree with me?"? why get bothered by it at all?
Very well put JB! :smth023
I'm always open to discussing the new material, if that discussion doesn't change it's focus on the production and sound quality latest after the second post. ;)
So, let's get it started:
The only one (8/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure Single: catchy, dreamy and memorable.
I like:
That "High" sound and atmosphere
Robert's enthusiasm in singing
The lyrics
I don't like:
The chorus
That "love love love" - part
NY Trip (10/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure B-Side: Odd, odd, odd
I like:
The melody
Robert's singing is soooo emotional
The changes of mood
The wah wah guitar (!!!)
I don't like:
---
Freakshow (7/10)
The most interesting single since "The 13th". Very danceable and groovy.
I like:
Robert's singing is again - as for all new releases so far - just great.
That echo-piano break (1:37)
The beat
I don't like:
Well, I feel like something else should happen in that song. A change of keys? A chorus?
All kinds of stuff (6/10)
Nice noisy rock piece, but actually it has to mess with "A Japanese dream" and scores only second then.
Sleep when I'm dead (7/10)
Reminds me a lot of the 85-87 (well, the demo is from back then) stuff and does pretty well with it's catchy melody and dramatic. But it's 2008, so the production should be more "in your face" (louder wah wah's and drums). Nevertheless, I would've killed for getting such a song e.g. in 2001 instead of "Cut here" or "Just say yes". Anybody would, right?
Down under (10/10)
Another perfect B-Side: Chaotic and melodic, dreamfull and freaked out - all at once and within 3 short minutes. Makes me want to jump all over the place. Reminds me a lot of those fantastic "Mint Car" B-Sides. Btw, Robert can't write another "Pornography" today? Well, he should've tried to write that song in 1982. ;)
The perfect boy (9/10)
Judging from the melody the most impressive of the singles and overall the strongest of the four. An impressive proof that Robert still can write pop tunes on the same level as between 1985 - 1992, if you ask me. I personally would like to see more sound gimmicks and keyboard effects being added to the song. Sounds too striped down. Again, the improvement is astonishing if I compare this song to stuff like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "Taking off".
Without you (8/10)
Would've been a better choice as an album track, because it lacks the chaotic creativity of most b-sides. Still, after getting used to that strange verse melody I find this song very impressive, not only because of the 3/4 rhythm. File between "The big hand" and "Pictures of you".
I just love the 'HA! OR NOT SO HA' thingy, hehe, so Robertish. Just hope the new album to be well worth the long wait.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 11:40:45
I'm always open to discussing the new material, if that discussion doesn't change it's focus on the production and sound quality latest after the second post. ;)
So, let's get it started:
The only one (8/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure Single: catchy, dreamy and memorable.
I like:
That "High" sound and atmosphere
Robert's enthusiasm in singing
The lyrics
I don't like:
The chorus
That "love love love" - part
NY Trip (10/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure B-Side: Odd, odd, odd
I like:
The melody
Robert's singing is soooo emotional
The changes of mood
The wah wah guitar (!!!)
I don't like:
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Freakshow (7/10)
The most interesting single since "The 13th". Very danceable and groovy.
I like:
Robert's singing is again - as for all new releases so far - just great.
That echo-piano break (1:37)
The beat
I don't like:
Well, I feel like something else should happen in that song. A change of keys? A chorus?
All kinds of stuff (6/10)
Nice noisy rock piece, but actually it has to mess with "A Japanese dream" and scores only second then.
Sleep when I'm dead (7/10)
Reminds me a lot of the 85-87 (well, the demo is from back then) stuff and does pretty well with it's catchy melody and dramatic. But it's 2008, so the production should be more "in your face" (louder wah wah's and drums). Nevertheless, I would've killed for getting such a song e.g. in 2001 instead of "Cut here" or "Just say yes". Anybody would, right?
Down under (10/10)
Another perfect B-Side: Chaotic and melodic, dreamfull and freaked out - all at once and within 3 short minutes. Makes me want to jump all over the place. Reminds me a lot of those fantastic "Mint Car" B-Sides. Btw, Robert can't write another "Pornography" today? Well, he should've tried to write that song in 1982. ;)
The perfect boy (9/10)
Judging from the melody the most impressive of the singles and overall the strongest of the four. An impressive proof that Robert still can write pop tunes on the same level as between 1985 - 1992, if you ask me. I personally would like to see more sound gimmicks and keyboard effects being added to the song. Sounds too striped down. Again, the improvement is astonishing if I compare this song to stuff like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "Taking off".
Without you (8/10)
Would've been a better choice as an album track, because it lacks the chaotic creativity of most b-sides. Still, after getting used to that strange verse melody I find this song very impressive, not only because of the 3/4 rhythm. File between "The big hand" and "Pictures of you".
That´s a good post, I admit it. However my opinions differ JUST A LITTLE... I haven't much time right now, so I'll just focus on a few points.
For me, "The Only One" is only moderately catchy and memorable. More B-side-catchy than of hit-quality. And I think The Cure needed a real hit now. Also, "High" was goodish but inferior to what I expect from Cure singles - only the Higher mix delivered in this respect.
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.
I think the "oddity" of the B-sides is only relative. They sound a bit chaotic because of a certain lack of focus and memorability, but it's not like The Cure are being experimental, forward-looking or anything.
I have also a problem with Robert's singing: yes, it's been said before, it's too high in the mix. But it's not only that - it seems to me that he is almost over-singing, giving too much expression to what basically are very ordinarish tunes.
HMV has the release date of the record as 13th October???
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/simpleSearch.do?searchUID=724211135544632182&pGroupID=-1&adultFlag=false&primaryID=-1&simpleSearchString=4%3A13+dream&btnSubmitSearch.x=0&btnSubmitSearch.y=0
Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.
I can't think of any classic Cure pop song that has a chorus at all. :?
Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
I think the "oddity" of the B-sides is only relative. They sound a bit chaotic because of a certain lack of focus and memorability, but it's not like The Cure are being experimental, forward-looking or anything.
At least "NY Trip" and "Without you" go, where no Cure song has gone before.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 24, 2008, 09:41:27
Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.
I can't think of any classic Cure pop song that has a chorus at all. :?
In Bewteen Days. The Lovecats. Fire in Cairo. Lovesong. It's true however that many of their pop songs escape a clear traditional verse-chorus-verse structure... Sometimes what we could perhaps call chorus is a just a melodic guitar theme, with no vocals (like in "Just like heaven")....
Pop> Friday I'm In Love??
other exciting stuff their going to tell us in the next few days.
maybe more tour dates?
i hope.......i wish.......i want.....
@ Takaros 72
apo to stoma mou to phres! 8elw & egw nea tour h estw re paidi mou kapoies extra live emfaniseis tous gia thn kukloforia tou neou l.p.
QuoteA 4:13 DREAM...
9/27/2008 6:31:14 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
PERFORMING THE NEW ALBUM LIVE FOR AN HOUR ON TV BEFORE IT GETS RELEASED...
CAN IT HAPPEN?
? :-D
Ah.. so it's gonna be MTV. But which one? UK only, or others?
He added more to the post later... :P
Quote...YES IT CAN!
FREE
OPEN AIR
LIVE IN SOUTHERN EUROPE
DELAYED GLOBAL AIRING...
BUT I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL MONDAY BEFORE I CAN POST ALL THE DETAILS!
ANYWAY
HOW ABOUT ANOTHER DREAM...
THAT ON THE BACK OF MY 9/9/2008 NEWS POST ABOUT THE MTV AWARDS ENOUGH OF YOU CLICKED AND WE MADE THE FINAL CUT?
ANOTHER MONDAY STORY?
HMMM...
STILL RAINING STILL DREAMING...
RSX
>
http://ema.mtv.co.uk/vote/
9/9/2008 10:30:11 AM
HEY! WE COULD BE 'BEST HEADLINER' SAYS MTV! WORTH A VOTE?
IF NOT PERHAPS CAST ONE FOR JONAS BROTHERS OR LIL WAYNE AS 'BEST ACT EVER'?
GOLD
Still raining,still dreaming...
(exactly my way of thinking)
Hmmm...
Live?
Free?
Open-air?
Where?
Someone call an aeroplane please!
:)
a live in-studio thing streamed right to us??
They will be in Romeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
In Romeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
October 11 Rock&Coke
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!
it seems this, some posters in Rome:
Roma piazza s Giovanni coca cola live 11 oct. 8pm
oh oh, it's 15 min from home!!! and free!!! :-D
Quote from: erpomata on September 29, 2008, 10:34:43
it seems this, some posters in Rome:
Roma piazza s Giovanni coca cola live 11 oct. 8pm
oh oh, it's 15 min from home!!! and free!!! :-D
WOW!!!!!!! :rocker
'Rome Trip' anyone?
;)
Quote from: figurehead on September 29, 2008, 13:41:00
'Rome Trip' anyone?
;)
Of course!!!!!
Everyone in Rome!!!!!
We're ready to go!!!!!!!!!! :smth023
Quote from: figurehead on September 29, 2008, 13:41:00
'Rome Trip' anyone?
;)
.. oh.. to dream... :smth060
can i hide away in someone's luggage? :D
i am very tiny !
hope they air it in the U.S. soon!
Now, with the album so near who else wants to see a new look at the official site.
It's been the same for so long having a new site to look around while waiting would make the excitement so much more!
From the Phantom of the Friend of COF:
"First off, let me preface by saying that this is an album that I find to be best listened to as a cohesive piece of music...i.e. play the whole thing start to finish...don't skip around cause you know certain songs or have heard things on youtube or the web...press start, dim the lights, crank it up (as the mix sounds great loud) and GO!...and don't stop for like 54 minutes...it is well worth it...and the more you listen to it, the more it will immediately grow on you each time...then you can pick your favorites...and the coolest part to me is the total dichotomy of the peacefulness of UTS starting the album to the frantic last two songs...Robert picked a great running order...
-As far as the guys, Robert sounds the best he ever has...Vocals and lyrics are top notch, and presentation (i.e. effects) and where vocals balance in the mix is just perfect...Second, Simon is the driver of many, if not all, of these songs...This is nothing new to long time fans, but wows me every time...His bass is so beyond "normal" bass playing of supporting the drums and rhythm guitar...he plays so many lines and notes it really gets the song moving...He has it downtuned to D in a few of the songs so the bass is nice and thick/low...Third, Porl...Dear lord he is rocking out all over and the injection of his playing really defines a lot of this album (this is of course me guessing what he has played in terms of actual record parts)...But needless to say his style is appreciated...And last but not least, Jason fully completes the circle...great drumming on this one and the selections of rhythms work so right on each individual piece of music...This is a BAND...and they certainly sound like it...I am a 22 year Cure fan...So I grew up on the "early stuff"...and as much as I would say Disintegration is my fav cause of the time in my life it effected me, it is the NOW of this band that excites me...and I think will excite you as well...
Note that the singles are similar to what we all have already over the last few months added to our collections...for the causal listener you might not pick up on changes...but there are definitely different vocal effects, background noises and such going on in the songs...SWID to me is way more ambient on the album and i love this "mix"...I threw some notes in below as Craig has requested it and as a long time COF anonymous contributor, I don't want to let you guys down!...still, I don't want to give it all away as I still hate the internet for giving things up early (it steals the mystery out of most things these days); but I figure a few small thoughts from my mind wont hurt...so this is just a quick commentary on the songs...you will most likely hear via web or live or MTV or something the actual pieces of work this weekend from the Rome show...so enjoy...and look forward to this...and buy the music...don't file share and all that crap...actually support a great band who made a great piece of work that I know we have all been waiting for...
Times approx
01 UNDERNEATH THE STARS (6:17)- I think most of us know this one already as a live favorite unless you have been living under a rock...album version is solid and doesn't really stray from the live one...lots of 6 string bass, and beautiful guitar parts...lots of chimes too
02 THE ONLY ONE (3:57)- pretty close to single; just a bit of a different mix sonically
03 THE REASONS WHY (4:35)- Starts with a subtle guitar line and builds into a 6 string bass part (not like what we are used to in sound) and adds more guitars and bass as it grows...Great chorus to this song and Robert's vocal effect is super cool...
04 FREAKSHOW (2:30)- see The Only One...
05 SIRENSONG (2:22)- think very layered slide guitar a la the Cocteau Twins with a great song and melody and subtle piano...Not a long song but a beautiful song...
06 THE REAL SNOW WHITE (4:43)- This is a rocker...I can hear a number of influences here...Hendrix, Beatles and bands of that era..."You got what I need"...
07 THE HUNGRY GHOST (4:29)- one of my favorites on the album...Builds with a guitar line that reminds me of the beginning of "It's Not You" and then leads into a GREAT chorus with solid guitar sounds..."We'll never satisfy the hungry ghost"...
08 SWITCH (3:44)- Super rocker...pure chaotic wah at beginning...love it...
09 THE PERFECT BOY (3:21)- see The Only One...This is a gorgeous song no matter who mixes it!...
10 THIS. HERE AND NOW. WITH YOU (4:05)- Excellent song the whole way through...one of my other favs on the album...Really driven by Simon's bass and featuring some wild guitar/keyboard sounds with an underwater effect to them...Very magical song I think...If there was such a thing as a next single, I would pick this song..."I don't remember getting here"...
11 SLEEP WHEN I'M DEAD (3:51)- this mix feels more ambient than the single we all have...this is an incredible song...and I like the album version much better...the subtle background keys and lines really give this song color...
12 THE SCREAM (4:35)- ok these last 2 songs are the barnburners...this is where we end with some serious rock and if it was me playing at least one smashed guitar if this was live...This one starts slow...Middle Eastern feel a la "The Blood" although not acoustic...Something about this song makes me feel like it could have fit into the Top era...So the song builds up and then Robert let's out this banshee scream of death...If you have headphones on or your stereo up you will actually get distortion which I think is perfectly fitting (for those who record, think needle well past the red line)!!!...Once the scream dies out it is time to kick the walls down and rock out...just builds into chaos and then dies out leading into...
13 IT'S OVER (4:16)- leading into this song which we all know and some saw live as Baby Rag Dog Book...this sounds incredible on the album...Starts with thumping Simon bass and Jason drums...and just kicks in and goes!...i thought it was cool live from what I saw (yes in person), but to hear it sonically recorded is great cause it matches the intensity of the live version and they captured the sound and feel..."
Thank you Phantom of Friend of COF for taking the time to review this for us!
8)
Yeah!
A new album is getting more and more palpable...
:D
I'm actually curious to hear that album version of "Sleep when I'm dead", since I've always thought there was much ground for improvement in that arrangement...
About the rest of the comments, I'm a bit sceptical about those "rocking out" songs, I'll just have to wait and "see"... It's just that the last time I heard "chaotic" Cure (in 1992's "Cut") it wasn't exactly good. And as great as Hendrix and the Beatles were in their time, I somewhat doubt that their sound can be a good influence on today's rock.
Just my 2 cents.
CUT kicks ass, what are you talkin about!
I agree that Cut is awesome! One of Porl's more effective uses of the wah in my opinion.
Quote from: GreenGhost on October 10, 2008, 20:35:03
I agree that Cut is awesome! One of Porl's more effective uses of the wah in my opinion.
Porl never played wah-wah in Cut.
Gee..it's definitely an up-vibe album listening to the tracks. Makes me wonder who chose the singles when there are other much better sounding tracks to choose from.
A) So, again with the "dark album" CD ...
B) I like the fact that Robert seems very self-assured about the new songs since they played all of them yesterday...
:smth023 :smth023
Does seriously no one else hear the wah in Cut? Or was he just saying that Porl didn't play it in that song, cause it definitely sounds like wah to me.
Quote from: GreenGhost on October 21, 2008, 20:51:07
Does seriously no one else hear the wah in Cut? Or was he just saying that Porl didn't play it in that song, cause it definitely sounds like wah to me.
From an interview in Guitar Player (1992):
GP: The solo Porl plays live on "Cut" is very similar in character to your playing on the long, chaotic wah-wah solo on "The Kiss" [Kiss Me, Kiss Me, Kiss Me]. Both recall Neil Young's playing---sloppy, but delivered with enough emotion to make technique seem irrelevant. Are you secret Neil admirers?Robert: It's no secret, he's so brilliant! He proves that you can get past a certain age and retain that certain something, and that flies in the face of the accepted idea that after you're 30, you're fucked. People like Neil Young and Tom Waits had it, kept it, and never lost it. Some of the older rock generation are boring old farts because they were f*cking hideous even when they were young.
It´s not clear if Porl played wah in "Cut" but I leave this part of the interview for it´s interesting.