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Title: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on September 13, 2015, 18:32:03
I have to believe that with the lay-off from the usual summer festivals and the total lack of gigs and news for 2015, I truly believe The Cure have been and are in the studio a good chunk of this year recording a new studio album with the latest line-up.  I'd bet on it.  I'd certainly HOPE for it...
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on September 15, 2015, 14:33:13
At the start of the year, I would've hoped so. But now, having heard nothing at all from "Cure camp", I wouldn't place bets on it!
Roger was very much busy with his own project(s). Reeves had his solo album out and was (and will be) touring with it.
I felt it was a positive sign that some band members turned up at Roger's concert in London. Thus, there is a possibility that they had done something in a studio (although hardly all together at the same time?)...

But in all honesty, I have my doubts about a release before the end of this year.
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on September 15, 2015, 20:01:36
A new Cure album would definitely be pushing the good sense limits of advertising and promotion, what with three months until Christmas.  But those 'good sense' limits may not mean as much to a band such as The Cure, with no record label and a fan base that would go get a new album if it were announced on Christmas Eve.  I can see it go either way.  Am still hoping.  If there were any 'new' tracks, it would be wiser to play them into shape a few times on stage (which RS knows well enough).  Again, both sides.  It wouldn't be the first time a band had just dropped new tunes on an unsuspecting audience before they'd been heard first on the radio and from the stage.  Glad to hear about the band supporting Roger's new effort.  The Cure really haven't TOURED since 2008, I mean a real all- (or most-) encompassing tour.  The guys are after all still reasonably young...since hitting 50 it sure seems a lot younger than it used to!  All the band are obviously clued-in to Robert's intentions for the foreseeable future, so it may be a 'bad omen' that Roger's doing his thing and Reeves put together an album and a tour in support.  I was kind of pissed that the Sex Pistols (back in 2002-3) were playing seemingly random and haphazard tour dates as compared to the remainder(s) of their contemporaries.  A short time later I regained a bit of perspective and decided it was much nicer just having them around and playing the odd gig here and there as opposed to just packing it all in for good.  We may have to adopt the same (or similar) attitude toward The Cure now...?
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: MeltingMan on September 16, 2015, 09:55:11
Quote from: Ulrich on September 15, 2015, 14:33:13
Roger was very much busy with his own project(s). Reeves had his solo album out and was (and will be) touring with it.

In other words:Jason,Robert and Simon must have entered a studio,the 'shattered' line-up
from 2008.I'm curious for the outcome. ;)
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on September 16, 2015, 13:19:37
Quote from: MeltingMan on September 16, 2015, 09:55:11In other words:Jason,Robert and Simon must have entered a studio,the 'shattered' line-up from 2008.


You mean 2005 (before Porl re-joined them)?  :?

Well, it is not impossible that Roger found time to record keyboard parts in a studio. It's not impossible that Reeves did record some guitar parts (or will do so before or after his UK tour)!

Quote from: cheyler on September 15, 2015, 20:01:36
I can see it go either way.  Am still hoping.


Well it's still possible, but I think we would see a release date before the end of October (and the rumours should start floating around very soon...)!
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: MeltingMan on September 16, 2015, 14:53:15
Quote from: Ulrich on September 16, 2015, 13:19:37
You mean 2005 (before Porl re-joined them)?

I'm sorry.My fault.I meant 2010 when Porl left the group.
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on November 29, 2015, 11:14:42
Porl announced his leaving in 2010 but the last show he played was the Coachella gig in April 2009; not sure if it was known within the group at the time whether Porl was leaving?  RS said something recently about (paraphrasing) "a lot of stuff happened with the last lineup", would love to know what he meant.  It's unfortunate, that line-up had a LOT of potential; had realized quite a lot of it as a performing unit, they were an incredible live band, right up there with the Disintegration line-up and the Wish line-up.
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: dsanchez on November 29, 2015, 18:36:22
Quote from: cheyler on November 29, 2015, 11:14:42It's unfortunate, that line-up had a LOT of potential; had realized quite a lot of it as a performing unit, they were an incredible live band, right up there with the Disintegration line-up and the Wish line-up.

I loved that line-up, but I hated how they sounded. The Cure during 2005-2009 was the worst sounding Cure I ever remember. The noise was such that they could have been in a bill with Guns N'Roses and it would have been OK. For instance:

2002

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2008

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4jnxagT0oQ#)

or for instance, check BDC 1992 vs 2008 (http://curefans.com/solo-projects/jason-cooper-a-study-of-his-style/msg54721/#msg54721)
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on November 30, 2015, 09:56:50
Quote from: dsanchez on November 29, 2015, 18:36:22loved that line-up, but I hated how they sounded. The Cure during 2005-2009 was the worst sounding Cure I ever remember.


Don't forget to bash the drummer.   ;) :lol:

When I went to that concert in 2008 (Munich), I was quite surprised that they sounded really good, as I wasn't quite sure if some of the songs would be working live without a keyboard on stage! (Of course it was missing e.g. with Lullaby, but it wasn't missing with most others.)

What's all this to do with the new album, btw?  :?
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 04, 2015, 16:41:40
MeltingMan mentioned Porl leaving the group and of course I jumped on it;  I remembered reading the recent RS quote about the last line-up so I mentioned it.  It will be interesting hearing Reeves and Roger integrating and re-integrating into The Cure's studio sound.  But Plainsong will never be the same for me after hearing the Porl-dominated keyboard-less versions...
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: MeltingMan on December 05, 2015, 13:34:05
Quote from: cheyler on December 04, 2015, 16:41:40It will be interesting hearing Reeves and Roger integrating and re-integrating into The Cure's studio sound.  But Plainsong will never be the same for me after hearing the Porl-dominated keyboard-less versions...

Absolutely.If Porl had taken live keyboard duties as well in that period,the sound would
have improved.I think he failed because of his changed attitude or because of a different approach
to The Cure's music.Reeves and Roger together are more than a match for him/her.---
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 09:04:53
I failed to get my meaning across.  The all-guitar versions of Plainsong are my all-time favorites, even more towering than the keys versions.  I'm still disappointed Porl left, I prefer the four-piece Cure to the current Cure, Reeves' guitar sound still isn't working for me although I've always liked Roger and nothing will keep me from going to the Seattle show, other than the absence of a Seattle show!  What's taking so long to announce the show and get the tickets on sale??  It IS the only one where the intention to have a show has been announced but no date yet, where most of the other cities have sold out or have even had one or two additional dates announced and sold out!
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on December 09, 2015, 13:31:32
Quote from: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 09:04:53
I'm still disappointed Porl left, I prefer the four-piece Cure to the current Cure


I don't. It was good live, the record lacked something (good producer perhaps?)...
I'm glad Roger is back (he is THE Cure keyboard player) and Reeves seems okay so far.

Thus, I'm very much looking forward to live shows in 2016 and hopefully a new album too!

Quote from: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 09:04:53
...nothing will keep me from going to the Seattle show, other than the absence of a Seattle show!  What's taking so long to announce the show and get the tickets on sale??  It IS the only one where the intention to have a show has been announced but no date yet


I'm sure they do this only to annoy you!  :P
:-D
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 21:02:52
The 2008 album definitely lacked something, good songs for a start.  I liked about half of them, not what I'd call a great Cure album.  It did have a great song, Underneath The Stars, one of the all-timers.  Production was poor too, although I like the production better now.  I'd love to hear some of the 'darker' songs we've heard so much about.  I'm looking forward to the new album though.  Is it possible that there have to be problems within the band for them to produce great Cure songs?  Not sure what to think of a new album, if so.  The band seems so happy...
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on December 10, 2015, 12:04:25
Quote from: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 21:02:52
Is it possible that there have to be problems within the band for them to produce great Cure songs?


No, I don't think so. The band/Robert seemed happy when they made "Head On The Door" for example. Which is a great album in my humble opinion.

Quote from: cheyler on December 09, 2015, 21:02:52
Not sure what to think of a new album, if so.  The band seems so happy...


Don't worry, that might change when they go on a long tour together!  :-D
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: MeltingMan on December 10, 2015, 16:36:26
Quote from: dsanchez on November 29, 2015, 18:36:22The Cure during 2005-2009 was the worst sounding Cure I ever remember.

Well...the temporary absence of at least one keyboard on stage was
one thing,but the 2002 version sounds badly as well,especially Perry. :?
If I had been Robert,I might have refused to sing. :oops:
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 11, 2015, 07:09:35
I agree, Head On The Door is a great album.  Sinking is one of my favorite Cure tunes ever and it's kind of a 'downer' tune I guess you could call it.  They did seem happy at the time with Porl sticking around and contributing more and more, Lol being stable (it seems) at the time, Simon returning and Boris showing what he can do.  Even with my limited experience, I know how happy bands can be when they have a drummer everybody's happy with, especially a new one (drummer, not band).  I'm really getting interested in hearing whatever new material they've come up with.  Does anybody know how many line-ups The Cure has had now over the years?  It's got to be a lot; I'd try to figure it out but I'd probably miss out on one or two permutations where there was a drummer that didn't work out or a guitarist that stayed for a day or two.  I was reading an interview with Johnny Rotten and it wasn't until this year (2015) that he finally made two consecutive albums with the same line-up, and this is over the course of his entire career (40 years now).  We were fortunate that The Cure made three consecutive great albums with (essentially) the same line-up, Matthieu Hartley coming and going so quickly for the Faith album.  I can't bring myself to remember what it was like when those albums were new, it's been so long.  Really looking forward to the NEW new album!
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on December 11, 2015, 12:56:59
We're heading towards Off-Topic now, but it doesn't really matter as there won't be a new Cure album in 2015 anyway...

Quote from: cheyler on December 11, 2015, 07:09:35
Does anybody know how many line-ups The Cure has had now over the years?  It's got to be a lot; I'd try to figure it out but I'd probably miss out on one or two permutations where there was a drummer that didn't work out or a guitarist that stayed for a day or two


Huh? Did the latter ever happen? I can't remember any other guitarists than Robert himself, Porl, Perry and now Reeves. (I didn't count old "Easy Cure" line-ups though.)
As for how many line-ups, that is a good question. We had at least 10 different versions of The Cure I'd say. (Together with studio-only "helpouts", like the session drummer on "Let's go to bed", there could be more.)
Btw, Wikipedia and fan-sites might help if we're too lazy to figure it out ourselves.  ;)

Quote from: cheyler on December 11, 2015, 07:09:35
We were fortunate that The Cure made three consecutive great albums with (essentially) the same line-up, Matthieu Hartley coming and going so quickly for the Faith album.


"17 Seconds" is the one Hartley played on?

Also "Head on the Door" and "Kiss Me..." were made by the same band line-up, plus "Disintegration" too (if we disregard the addition of Roger, while Lol Tolhurst was playing "other instrument"?)...
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 12, 2015, 01:06:48
You'd think I could spot my own huge mistake, of course it was Seventeen Seconds.  I always think 'Seventeen Seconals', which was Judy Garland's last effort as you know.  Technically we can count Roger as a Cure guitarist since he was playing Porl's part on 'Open' for a little while.  Really brought the song back to life too.  You're probably right about the pop singles being the place where various musicians could have come and gone without leaving much residue.  Now I'm just waiting for two things, the announcement of the Seattle cancellation and the new album!
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on December 12, 2015, 14:14:08
Quote from: cheyler on December 12, 2015, 01:06:48I always think 'Seventeen Seconals', which was Judy Garland's last effort as you know. 


No, I didn't, sorry.  :oops:

Quote from: cheyler on December 12, 2015, 01:06:48Technically we can count Roger as a Cure guitarist since he was playing Porl's part on 'Open' for a little while.


Oh yeah, that's right, I do remember that.

This topic might be closed towards the end of the year. I suggest any rumours about the new album should be posted in the "new album in 2016?" topic:
http://curefans.com/unconfirmed-news-and-rumours/album-2016/ (http://curefans.com/unconfirmed-news-and-rumours/album-2016/)
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: cheyler on December 12, 2015, 23:05:46
That Judy Garland reference was a joke, sort of a pun.  She died of an overdose of sleeping pills/barbiturates.  No one knows how many she took, it could be seventeen...  Seconals is/was a brand name in 1969.  Waaaaaaaaaaaay off topic now!

Not much more to say at the moment.  Just waiting for two announcements...
Title: Re: New Cure Album in 2015 (?)
Post by: Ulrich on December 15, 2015, 09:57:30
Not very funny.

Topic closed. Discuss rumours about the possible new album for 2016 here, please:

http://curefans.com/unconfirmed-news-and-rumours/album-2016/ (http://curefans.com/unconfirmed-news-and-rumours/album-2016/)