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Title: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: dsanchez on October 17, 2015, 13:46:40
more than a new album, I'd be happy enough if The Cure would perform in Orange next year, to celebrate the 30th anniversary of that fantastic show.

Warning: this is a (my) wishful thinking, nothing indicates The Cure will return to this city, except for the fact mentioned above!
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 18, 2015, 14:23:31
Quote from: dsanchez on October 17, 2015, 13:46:40...I'd be happy enough if The Cure would perform in Orange next year, to celebrate the 30th anniversary of that fantastic show.


Well, that would be one show, which is over way too soon (especially when you're there), while a new album would show us that they have some creativity left, and we could listen to it all over again (whenever we'd want)!
Also, from experience (with various bands & their fans): great expectations often lead to disappointments.  :(
If I were you I would not expect a concert in Orange. Has Robert ever mentioned he'd like to do it again? Certainly it is a special place, but will he want to repeat a 30-year-old experience?  :?
Be glad if it happens, but don't expect.  ;)

Just like I'll be glad it they release a new album. If not, then it's like it is. The Cure probably don't have much to "prove" any more. Thus, they could tour without an album too...
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on October 19, 2015, 03:34:40
Quote from: Ulrich on October 18, 2015, 14:23:31
Quote from: dsanchez on October 17, 2015, 13:46:40...I'd be happy enough if The Cure would perform in Orange next year, to celebrate the 30th anniversary of that fantastic show.


Well, that would be one show, which is over way too soon (especially when you're there), while a new album would show us that they have some creativity left, and we could listen to it all over again (whenever we'd want)!
Also, from experience (with various bands & their fans): great expectations often lead to disappointments.  :(
If I were you I would not expect a concert in Orange. Has Robert ever mentioned he'd like to do it again? Certainly it is a special place, but will he want to repeat a 30-year-old experience?  :?
Be glad if it happens, but don't expect.  ;)

Just like I'll be glad it they release a new album. If not, then it's like it is. The Cure probably don't have much to "prove" any more. Thus, they could tour without an album too...



I agree with Ulrich, Orange is a long shot.  I'm really liking the idea of a new album though.  I'm guessing they could delay announcing the album into the new year as the tour doesn't start until May, I think?  They'd miss Christmas, but this is not a mass-market band, they would sell as many if announced either pre-Christmas or even January (as mentioned by the magazine) or at the latest February.  They had the first nine months of 2014 to work, and the basic tracks and overdubs could have been finished easily.  Not sure if Robert still prefers to lay down the vocal tracks without the band's presence.  Then they had the entirety of 2015 to finish the album, and Roger and Reeves would have plenty of time to do their extra-Cure-icular activities...no sweat.  It also depends on when exactly the new songs were written and rehearsed;  that could still have been done in the first nine months of 2014.
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 19, 2015, 11:19:18
Quote from: cheyler on October 19, 2015, 03:34:40
I'm guessing they could delay announcing the album into the new year as the tour doesn't start until May, I think? 


Of course they could (assuming there is a new album in the making)!
In the past, the touring had sometimes started already before the album release.

Quote from: cheyler on October 19, 2015, 03:34:40Then they had the entirety of 2015 to finish the album, and Roger and Reeves would have plenty of time to do their extra-Cure-icular activities...no sweat.  It also depends on when exactly the new songs were written and rehearsed;  that could still have been done in the first nine months of 2014.


I would think the songs were written from 2011-2014, maybe some already "rehearsed" by the band during the same period. Again: it could be possible! We'll probably have to wait for the January announcement, to see if a new album will be mentioned at all...
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: dsanchez on October 25, 2015, 23:35:08
Quote from: Ulrich on October 18, 2015, 14:23:31
If I were you I would not expect a concert in Orange. Has Robert ever mentioned he'd like to do it again? Certainly it is a special place, but will he want to repeat a 30-year-old experience?  :?
Be glad if it happens, but don't expect.  ;)


I don't think this will happen, this is just a dream I have. Of course, it would be amazing, but I am not hoping for this. I am pretty confident I will see the band again next year, all seems to point they will play Europe again :smth020
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 01:25:42
Seems they're just too big to do a small venue like Orange.  They can headline any European festival and play for 100,000 people at a throw.  An Orange residency sounds cool, like The Clash at Bond's in 1981.  Call it the 'Seventeen Concerts' tour (residency).
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 26, 2015, 09:05:37
Quote from: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 01:25:42
Seems they're just too big to do a small venue like Orange.


How "small" is it anyway? I think a few thousand would fit in there (which is a pretty "normal" number for a Cure concert)?  :?
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 14:46:39
The US dates announced so far are in venues with these capacities:

Madison Square Garden - 20,000 for concerts
Hollywood Bowl - 17,376
UIC Pavilion Chicago - 9,500

Not sure of the exact size of the amphitheater in Orange, but it is smaller than any of these.  With the extra dates added, The Cure will play to 60,000 in New York, 52,000 in Los Angeles and 19,000 in Chicago.  That's 130,000 in two weeks.  Initially there were three dates, now there are eight.  Lots of room built into this tour, someone was expecting this kind of demand for tickets.  That's another reason I'm convinced of the new album.

I read the info from the link provided by Ulrich.  Sounds to me like not only have The Cure finished a new album but RS has finished the second half of 4:13 Dream (whatever that may turn out to be).

I'm also interested in what went wrong with Porl in the last line-up (as was mentioned in the link).  At least whatever was going on did not manifest itself on-stage (not to my eyes/ears anyway).  They were playing fantastically right to the end.  Looking at RS' demeanor during the European tour in 2008 and comparing it to how he looked in April 2009 is very telling, but that happened over time so it wasn't as noticeable.
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 26, 2015, 15:59:13
Quote from: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 14:46:39
Not sure of the exact size of the amphitheater in Orange, but it is smaller than any of these.


Yes, but the size of venues in USA hasn't much significance for Europe. Here they used to play venues in size of 7.000 to 10.000, thus a tour in Europe with a stop in "Orange" wouldn't be a "problem" (or they could play 2 nights or 3, like they do in NYC etc.)!
(Also, Orange is not in a big city like L.A., NYC or Chicago.)

The Cure obviously have understood that by making themselves a bit "rare" for the last few years, demand for tickets will increase when they finally announce a tour...

Quote from: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 14:46:39
I read the info from the link provided by Ulrich.  Sounds to me like not only have The Cure finished a new album but RS has finished the second half of 4:13 Dream (whatever that may turn out to be).


It's nice that at least one of us here does click those links and reads the info!
But in that one, unfortunately, I wasn't able to find anything "new" about a planned album, just pure speculation and some 1-year-old info! Let's hope there will be more reliable info soon.

That NME article they referred to was from April 2014 (not exactly up-to-date):
http://www.nme.com/news/the-cure/76461 (http://www.nme.com/news/the-cure/76461)

Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: u-a-b-f on October 27, 2015, 10:21:34
Quote from: Ulrich on October 26, 2015, 09:05:37
Quote from: cheyler on October 26, 2015, 01:25:42
Seems they're just too big to do a small venue like Orange.


How "small" is it anyway? I think a few thousand would fit in there (which is a pretty "normal" number for a Cure concert)?  :?


Attendance is 7000
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 27, 2015, 14:13:14
Quote from: u-a-b-f on October 27, 2015, 10:21:34
Attendance is 7000


Thank you. Guess it would fit in size to other European venues (IF the band would want to include Orange in their tour...).
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: u-a-b-f on October 27, 2015, 14:55:47
Quote from: Ulrich on October 27, 2015, 14:13:14
Quote from: u-a-b-f on October 27, 2015, 10:21:34
Attendance is 7000


Thank you. Guess it would fit in size to other European venues (IF the band would want to include Orange in their tour...).


Let's say the Europe Leg of the 2016 Tour really will be in October / November 2016 ... they wouldn't do any outdoor shows in Autumn, so no Orange Show there.
A Europe Open Air Tour in Summer followed by an Indoor Tour in Autumn seems very unlikely.
A Orange Show 30 years later would make sense from some point of view but likely just as a stand alone Show between the North America and Europe Leg of the Tour.
However ... highly speculative ;)
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: dsanchez on October 27, 2015, 22:07:56
The Cure does not play big venues in Europe (both RAH and Hammersmith Odeon -where the band has played in recent years- are around 6,000 capacity) and they didn't sell out the 4Tour 2008 (in this tour they played at the Gasometer in Vienna where I saw Suede two years ago - 3,000 people capacity).

By the way, the roman theatre in Orange has a capacity of nearly 9,000 persons:

http://www.theatre-antique.com/en/room-hire/big-events (http://www.theatre-antique.com/en/room-hire/big-events)
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: dsanchez on October 27, 2015, 22:28:52
I suppose I don't lose anything asking The Cure, Reeves, Lol and Tim Pope their thoughts on this...
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on October 28, 2015, 07:38:44
QuoteIt's nice that at least one of us here does click those links and reads the info!
But in that one, unfortunately, I wasn't able to find anything "new" about a planned album, just pure speculation and some 1-year-old info! Let's hope there will be more reliable info soon.

That NME article they referred to was from April 2014 (not exactly up-to-date):
http://www.nme.com/news/the-cure/76461 (http://www.nme.com/news/the-cure/76461)



I may be getting ahead of myself or getting a little over-optimistic but I get so few opportunities to do that these days, so what the heck.  The next few months are going to be a lot of fun, seeing what shakes out, what turns out to be true, what turns out to be wrong, and probably a couple of surprises that turn out even better than what we'd hoped.  Then, after all that, a concert or two!  There are going to be some great recordings showing up on DimeADozen, pretty much night after night too.
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on October 28, 2015, 09:07:42
Note that I fixed the "quote" in your post...

Quote from: cheyler on October 28, 2015, 07:38:44The next few months are going to be a lot of fun, seeing what shakes out, what turns out to be true, what turns out to be wrong, and probably a couple of surprises that turn out even better than what we'd hoped.


Yeah. And not to forget the huge disappointments which turn out worse than we'd feared.  :lol:
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: MeltingMan on November 13, 2015, 16:27:45
Quote from: Ulrich on October 18, 2015, 14:23:31Thus, they could tour without an album too...

I know that Simon has made a similar remark a couple of years ago,
a strong statement by the way, but I'm not sure if it will fit or work again
in Europe 2016 or even later. Orange would be great as unique or stand alone
show, as mentioned earlier, and not as repeated performance or simple repetition.
With a number of new songs and a modified live show this event will be stunning.
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on November 13, 2015, 19:37:42
Quote from: MeltingMan on November 13, 2015, 16:27:45
I know that Simon has made a similar remark a couple of years ago,
a strong statement by the way,but I'm not sure if it will fit or work again
in Europe 2016 or even later.


Well the band announced that "as yet unreleased material" should be performed at the gigs. Thus we can hope for a new album.
But in theory, the Cure could tour with their "greatest hits" for a number of years. Just look at how many bands are on the road without new album (especially nowadays, when album sales aren't what they used to be).
As for Orange, I don't think it'll happen in 2016 (if at all). Maybe they can play in Green instead.  :-D
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on November 14, 2015, 02:00:46
Quote from: Ulrich on October 28, 2015, 09:07:42
Note that I fixed the "quote" in your post...

Quote from: cheyler on October 28, 2015, 07:38:44The next few months are going to be a lot of fun, seeing what shakes out, what turns out to be true, what turns out to be wrong, and probably a couple of surprises that turn out even better than what we'd hoped.


Yeah. And not to forget the huge disappointments which turn out worse than we'd feared.  :lol:



Well, there is that...
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: Ulrich on March 09, 2017, 15:19:01
Our Admin dsanchez will like this:
http://craigjparker.blogspot.de/2017/03/the-cure-in-orange-with-lol-q-a.html

QuoteFrom Cindy Tolhurst on Facebook:

"Join us on April 21st @7:30 pm for a Special Screening of THE CURE IN ORANGE on 35 mm at the Egyptian Theatre located at 6712 Hollywood Blvd. Lol will be there for a Q & A and to sign copies of his memoir CURED . Event hosted by cinematic void. Look forward to seeing everyone for a fantastic evening!"
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on March 11, 2017, 23:19:58
That's great news, someone had to go make a nice master for use in modern theaters and there's not much of a jump between that and putting it out on dvd.  Looks like we're closer than we've been in a very long time to seeing this released for our consumption!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2017
Post by: Ulrich on March 13, 2017, 11:51:56
Quote from: cheyler on March 11, 2017, 23:19:58
someone had to go make a nice master for use in modern theaters


Erm, I don't think so, as Cindy Tolhurst said in her post, it's on 35mm, doesn't sound like a "modern copy", so I guess it is an "old-fashioned" cinema.
Title: Re: The Cure in Orange 2016
Post by: cheyler on March 18, 2017, 02:28:08
Whether it is or isn't, whether they do or they don't, I'm pretty happy with my dvd, not sure how much better it could get.  Maybe a new mix and/or interviews, something like that.