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Quote from: chemicaloverload on June 19, 2019, 21:14:36Goth is a mindset.
Quote from: Ulrich on June 19, 2019, 08:54:12Robert (and those who know him) has often talked about how he stays up until the early hours of the day... but he does not do it because he thinks it is "goth", he does it because that's who he is. He happens to like wearing black, that's his taste - he does not do it because he wants to be "goth".He happens to write songs which often tend to have a melancholy mood, to me that is not "goth" (maybe it is for others).Also, Robert has mentioned that he never really liked the typical "gothic rock", so he can't be "goth", can he?
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32Yes, I know this Robert you're speaking of. It's one of the biggest reasons I love him. He won't sink into the labels people try to put on him...I do wish to see him fit again and wearing those flower shirts again.
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32... there is something to love about every album, even if it is just that it's a new album.
Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32I'm so curious to know what their states of minds on things currently are, with all their years at it. That should be reflected in the new album.
Quote from: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 12:19:14I'm sorry if I get off the subject, but Goth and Gothic are not one and the same.
Quote from: undefinedDie Anhänger der Gothic-Kultur werden länderübergreifend als Goths bezeichnet, obgleich diese Bezeichnung innerhalb der Szene eher selten Anwendung findet...Als sich der Punk Ende der 1970er Jahre in verschiedene Genres aufspaltete, gingen daraus der Death Rock und der Gothic Rock hervor; Punk-Bands wie The Stooges und The Damned übten auf die Entwicklung der Gothic-Musik wesentlichen Einfluss aus. Entgegen mancher Aussagen war Gothic jedoch keine gezielte Abspaltung vom Punk. So verstanden sich viele Gothic-Bands selbst noch als Teil der Punk-Bewegung und nicht als Initiatoren eines neuen Genres...
Quote from: Ulrich on June 20, 2019, 11:13:06Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32Yes, I know this Robert you're speaking of. It's one of the biggest reasons I love him. He won't sink into the labels people try to put on him...I do wish to see him fit again and wearing those flower shirts again.I agree with the first part (of this quote). However, the Banshees called him "fatboy Smithy" (in fun, probably) back in the 1980s, so I guess he never really was the "fit rockstar"... (and I love him for that, too)!Quote from: tanyasmith on June 20, 2019, 02:02:32I'm so curious to know what their states of minds on things currently are, with all their years at it. That should be reflected in the new album.Personally, I don't think that will ever happen. It never was The Cure's intention to "make a statement" or comment on the state of the planet or whatever. Robert's songs/lyrics have mostly been about (his) mood or melancholy feelings... or inspired by literature; but not his "general" state of mind.Plus: I don't think he ever saw himself as "a leader".
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 04:03:03Tanya, I'd be more interested in hearing YOUR thoughts on Cure-related things (and the perspective of all other forum members too!) rather than your guesses on HIS thoughts (which you actually could never know what they really were/are).Whenever anyone talks in a way like they're speaking for someone else (ie "when he said ___ he was thinking/feeling/meaning ___") it kinda bugs me. Actually it can't be known what the other was thinking/feeling/meaning ...unless you have the ability to time-travel and mindread !
Quote from: MeltingMan on June 20, 2019, 14:36:33Assuming the new album actually appears in the fall and is "darker" than its predecessors, then it deserves to be called gothic (and not goth).
Quote from: Ulrich on June 21, 2019, 16:33:09here "goth" is just short for "gothic",
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on June 21, 2019, 07:35:22😂wow ... yeah that's strange, it does look like he's looking right at you. Were you doing anything at that moment that caught his attention?I have a theory that RS loves to feel loved (who doesn't!) ...so he seems to respond and appreciate when people are showering love in his direction. (Or maybe more generally showering love into the world?)I actually had a dream last night that RS was on stage and a few children were approaching him and giving him money (!). I was watching and felt like encouraging them that they don't need to do that but they seemed intent on doing so.I sometimes wonder about the unseen impacts ... Is it an energetic commodity that benefits the receiver (either in the present, or perhaps the future when this incarnation is completed?)I hope though that those receiving such high volumes of love are not wanting to hold onto it for themselves, but are connected to a more expansive space (and so if one person is loving them it's one like love more generally is being shone into the world). I think Bowie was like this, and I've had dreams of him kissing many people (in a way that on the surface may sound wierd, but to me it made complete sense what he was doing and was actually quite an enlightened and unattached thing), shining love into the world.So YES! Love = good! I can totally relate to RS having a strange ability to evoke strong loving feelings. A few years ago I freaked out about it, and essentially cut-off from it because the feelings (or more my interpretation and response to them) were keeping me caught in a confused and stuck place.But I've come to realise it's a good thing! it's love! Now I embrace it, welcome the feelings when they arise, but also try to experience it in an unattached way and expand it. Like how creation allows a flower to be in bloom ...and the flower doesn't then just direct it's scent in one direction, it gives its scent without boundary or preference.Umm...I think things went a bit off topic 😂