Simon Gallup no longer in The Cure? (False)

Started by dsanchez, August 14, 2021, 22:43:22

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A great first post & summary by Rezortine.

The Cure WILL NOT be the same without Simon. If the new album is ever released I believe it will definitely be their last. After Robert, Simon has the greatest input in creating new material.

Simon has the best stage presence out of all current & past band members. I've seen them in concert for almost 40 years & I won't pay to see them live again if there's a session bass player just going through the motions playing material that means nothing to him/her. Cure concerts are emotional events for Cure fans. How can a 'Cure' band perform any material from Pornography without the 2 men who created & survived the experience?

I'm not quite as old as the band members but I also hate social media & only created accounts out of necessity. I deleted my accounts a few years ago because of all the bull on the platforms. If you are in the limelight, every sentence you post will be (over)analysed.

My biggest concern is of the use of the word 'betrayal' which is a particularly strong word to use.

SueC

Quote from: Rezortine on August 17, 2021, 22:05:31So, to sum up:
- I don't understand why people thought it's not Simon's real profile. It is his real profile and he really posted that.

Hiya and welcome, @Rezortine. :)

It is possible for people to make prank posts from someone else's social media account, especially if they have access to the in-home IT and an automatic password saver has been used - and sometimes this happens. Related example: One of Bono's daughters once pranked various famous people through her father's contact list.  :beaming-face

Objectively speaking, we don't have any proof it was definitely the owner of the account making those posts because we weren't witnesses to this, and because it's not been officially confirmed. In a science classroom, this goes under the topic of "observation versus inference" - we were able to observe the social media posts, but we can only infer who made them. That the posts appeared is fact, but who made them isn't entirely black and white. It may have been the owner of the account, or it may not have been. @Ulrich was also considering the possibility of account hacking.  (And wondering whether the FB profile was real or bogus - which I can't comment on because I don't do FB.)

None of the speculation about what's going on re the band is particularly helpful IMO - best to just see what happens down the track.


@dsanchez, I'm going to have to disagree with you: It's possible to be a fan of a band and not be devastated if that band breaks up (or a key member leaves and gets replaced), especially if they've already served the community super well with decades and decades of amazing music. People need to do what they think is right with their own lives, and to me, it's way more important that people live happy, fulfilled lives than that they continue to be in a band they've been in for a long time, no matter how much I or anyone else likes that band - and when being in a band/any kind of job or activity starts to interfere with a person's happiness and other goals, and this can't be resolved, it's my opinion that they do the right thing if they decide to do other things instead. Whether they're in The Cure or anything else. We all have just one life.

And whatever happens, I'll still be listening to their back catalogue and enjoying their concert films.  :smth023

Also, if any of the Cure members' side projects ever tour in our part of the world, we'd totally go see them. To us, a good musician is a good musician and we're interested in what people have to offer individually as well as collectively.


Related Postscript

I'm a longtime fan of Australian band The Church, from way before they released Under The Milky Way. Here's a track I've loved since the 80s:


The Church made such ludicrous amounts of albums when I didn't even realise they were still going, it will take me a long time to get through their complete back catalogue, but I've not struck anything I've regretted acquiring yet (and I'm really looking forward to listening to The Hologram of Baal  bwahahaha :lol:). I got to know and love their music initially via their 80s incarnation - this is a drums, bass, multi-guitar, keyboards band and each of the four in their longtime 80s line-up were fabulous musicians. And then their line-ups changed over the years, similar to what happened with The Cure - and just as with The Cure, that didn't bug me (I think every person they've had in The Cure over the years has made a valuable contribution in some way, and I think everyone in their current line-up is excellent).

Regrettably, I never got to see The Church live, for various reasons. Then a few months ago, my husband informed me that Steve Kilbey and friends were playing at our town, did I want to go see them? Steve Kilbey, for those who don't know, is the lead singer and bassist of The Church. I ummed and aahed - it wasn't cheap, but it wasn't The Church. Then I gave myself a push and said yes - we're lucky to be able to see live performances in WA this year because even though the Australian vaccine rollout has been shithouse (I finally got my second shot last week - I'm in a priority group because I'm at risk of aspiration pneumonia when I get respiratory infections, but my husband is still on the waiting list) the strict border closures, quarantining and snap lockdowns if anything gets out of quarantine have almost totally prevented community transmission for the entire pandemic so far. It's a difficult time for music though and we should be supporting our artists - so we went.

At the venue I was surprised to see that the advertised programme was a complete electric play-through of the first and third Church albums, from way back in the early 80s. How was that going to work, with only one of the original members there? And without Marty Wilson-Piper on guitar? Who were these dudes standing in on guitars and drums? - The lights went up. The support act started and I personally found it woeful, and I thought, "Is it all going to be like this? Have we wasted our money?" And I gritted my teeth and hoped for better things.

But I needn't have worried. From the opening bars of the first song, the main act turned in an excellent performance. The guitarists were very good, even if they weren't Marty Wilson-Piper - and some of the loss of atmosphere because they didn't sound like him was compensated for by two ladies on violin and cello who completely electrified the atmosphere with their playing. The music had been slightly rearranged to make this work; Steve Kilbey often stopped and chatted about those alterations, and the technical side of things - not to mention kept us in stitches with his recounts of what various music critics had said about various songs when they came out. :rofl

It was an excellent night - I'm so glad we went, and I'm also glad that I had my misapprehensions about how this could possibly work totally busted. It wasn't The Church, but it wasn't trying to be - it was something else, but it was A+ and I will remember it as one of the best musical performances I ever went to, and one of the best demonstrations of creative problem-solving. Not only totally worth the money, but a bargain at the price. Full review and photos here!
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Ulrich

Quote from: dsanchez on August 17, 2021, 21:14:38Why questionable? Simon himself published this in his own Facebook

Did he? Why has it been deleted then? What happened to his twitter?  :?

We have a nice saying in Germany (wiser person as me has pointed it out to me), which goes like this (translated):
nothing is being eaten as hot as it is being cooked!
It doesn't touch me at all...

Ulrich

Quote from: Rezortine on August 17, 2021, 22:05:31So, to sum up:
- I don't understand why people thought it's not Simon's real profile.

Because it looked like a "fake"? (Look at other "wannabe" pages to see the difference to the real accounts.)

And also because you can create an artists' page on FB if you want, this can even be confirmed by FB as "real".
It doesn't touch me at all...

dsanchez

Quote from: Ulrich on August 18, 2021, 09:20:46Did he? Why has it been deleted then? What happened to his twitter?  :?

He took a wise decision by deleting twitter. Deleting social media is good! As why he deleted his post - only he knows. I suspect he didn't expect his one line post would be echoed by CNN, Rolling Stone, etc.
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Ulrich

Quote from: dsanchez on August 18, 2021, 10:47:18As why he deleted his post - only he knows. I suspect he didn't expect his one line post would be echoed by CNN, Rolling Stone, etc.

Lol. (And I don't mean the ex-Cure-member with this.)

And why is it that Pearl's instagram is suddenly unavailable too?  :?

Could it all just have been a "hack"? Or drunken rumblings?
It doesn't touch me at all...

dsanchez

Quote from: SueC on August 18, 2021, 00:48:25Objectively speaking, we don't have any proof it was definitely the owner of the account making those posts because we weren't witnesses to this, and because it's not been officially confirmed. In a science classroom, this goes under the topic of "observation versus inference" - we were able to observe the social media posts, but we can only infer who made them. That the posts appeared is fact, but who made them isn't entirely black and white. It may have been the owner of the account, or it may not have been. @Ulrich was also considering the possibility of account hacking.  (And wondering whether the FB profile was real or bogus - which I can't comment on because I don't do FB.)

I prefer Ocram's razor. The simplest explanation is usually the right one. And here the easiest explanation is that Simon did write this post (even he replied to one of his friends, Vicky Carroll, to confirm the reasons)  and not that his account was hacked, or some relative got to his computer etc. He just wrote, he deleted it, and now we just need to see what happens.
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dsanchez

Quote from: Ulrich on August 18, 2021, 10:51:30And why is it that Pearl's instagram is suddenly unavailable too?  :?

he has done it in the past. when he ranted during the time of the RHOF induction, he also deleted that post. nothing new here. Obviously he and Bob did not end in the best terms.
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dsanchez

Quote from: SueC on August 18, 2021, 00:48:25@dsanchez I'm going to have to disagree with you: It's possible to be a fan of a band and not be devastated if that band breaks up (or a key member leaves and gets replaced), especially if they've already served the community super well with decades and decades of amazing music. People need to do what they think is right with their own lives, and to me, it's way more important that people live happy, fulfilled lives than that they continue to be in a band they've been in for a long time, no matter how much I or anyone else likes that band - and when being in a band/any kind of job or activity starts to interfere with a person's happiness and other goals, and this can't be resolved, it's my opinion that they do the right thing if they decide to do other things instead. Whether they're in The Cure or anything else. We all have just one life.

And whatever happens, I'll still be listening to their back catalogue and enjoying their concert films.  :smth023

Also, if any of the Cure members' side projects ever tour in our part of the world, we'd totally go see them. To us, a good musician is a good musician and we're interested in what people have to offer individually as well as collectively.

Most (can't speak for everyone) curefans are hardcore fans. Did you see Lol's European tour some years ago? barely 20 people per show. When Perry Bamonte toured his band some years ago, a friend of mine went to see him in Vienna. Same thing, barely a handful of people. So history shows cureheads care little about the individuals, and put the band above. Maybe if Robert Smith starts a solo career it would be the exception.

"People need to do what they think is right with their own lives". Totally agree. And no-one here says otherwise. But I guess most curefans were expecting a farewell tour and not a one-single FB post of one of the core-band members announcing his departure therefore by breaking up the world's finest band.
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Rezortine

Quote from: Ulrich on August 18, 2021, 10:51:30
Quote from: dsanchez on August 18, 2021, 10:47:18As why he deleted his post - only he knows. I suspect he didn't expect his one line post would be echoed by CNN, Rolling Stone, etc.

Lol. (And I don't mean the ex-Cure-member with this.)

And why is it that Pearl's instagram is suddenly unavailable too?  :?

Could it all just have been a "hack"? Or drunken rumblings?

Personally I think that everyone started suddenly DMing Pearl on his IG. Guess he just wanted to prevent all the questions, which could be found annoying, and got his IG private

Ulrich

Quote from: dsanchez on August 18, 2021, 10:55:17...he also deleted that post. Obviously he and Bob did not end in the best terms.

And then he ducks out by deleting posts (or his whole insta profile)? Nice. :winking_tongue

Quote from: dsanchezBut I guess most curefans were expecting a farewell tour and not a one-single FB post of one of the core-band members announcing his departure therefore by breaking up the world's finest band.

Lol (once again)!  :lol:
As mentioned before, nothing is confirmed, the whole "news" is based on one singular (now deleted) posting on FB!

Once again: I believe there is a reason that Roger made fun of the whole thing! (He knows more than we do.)

Here's to why I question things (especially in times of "fake news") ;)

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MeltingMan

Quote from: dsanchezObviously he and Bob did not end in the best terms.

This morning I had the crazy idea that Simon will become a consultant / manager of Iron Maiden, but seriously: we are really no smarter at the moment, and since the word 'betrayel' was already around, a conflict must have been going on for a long time . When Robert cooperates with other artists over a longer period of time, it sends a clear signal to the 'others'. That social media messages have been deleted, on the other hand, is a good sign. I hope they get 'the cow from the ice' (German saying). 🙂
Notre pensée opère par désir. Une idée nous séduit, une autre nous répugne.

(La science de l'amour, Éd. 1911, p. 93.)

SueC

That's a hilarious saying, @MeltingMan:lol:  It's very good to be getting this "Nachhilfeunterricht" in German sayings etc.  :smth023  Also we were vastly amused by the Iron Maiden career options. :beaming-face


@dsanchez, I think you mean Occam's Razor.  :winking_tongue
It's a far better tool than a crystal ball, which seems to be in great employment on this topic.


@Ulrich, German is full of good sayings. I like the one which says, "Der wurde mit einem Klammersack gepudert!" - great imagery - but have to confess I don't fully understand it!  :-D
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dsanchez

Quote from: Ulrich on August 18, 2021, 11:20:19As mentioned before, nothing is confirmed, the whole "news" is based on one singular (now deleted) posting on FB!

and we agree 100%. That's why this post is not in the "official news" board.
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dsanchez

Quote from: SueC on August 18, 2021, 12:35:48@dsanchez, I think you mean Occam's Razor.  :winking_tongue
It's a far better tool than a crystal ball, which seems to be in great employment on this topic.

A typo there :) I don't think anyone here is trying to guess what happened or what will happen. The discussion seemed focused on if the post was real or not, and it was real (Occam's :)).
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