From Craig at COF:
Not 100% confirmed, but the word out of Universal today is that the new album has been pushed back a month, probably until Oct. 13th. Don't freak out! Let's wait and hear what Robert says about it. If true, maybe we get a bonus single? Or something else? Not trying to spin it, but I'll actually be very happy if it comes out in Oct. instead of Sept.
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Double album?
Why am I not surprised?
I wonder if it has anything to do with booking some promo shows? Although the rumor I heard was that there would be shows to coincide with the 30th anniversary...which is next year. Hard to tell what is going on when it's all just rumors and the official news is beyond delayed. :roll:
I doubt that we'll see both 30th anniversary shows and promo shows. Unless that the 30th shows are done next summer (which I'd prefer) and the band maybe played smaller venues than they did for Curiosa (which was always in places far too big for the bands' popularity).
If they delay it again it had better be a double album :evil:
although we should probably wait until the official site says something
yep: confirmed by Robert on official site:
OCTOBER 13TH...
7/16/2008 10:13:31 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
IS THE LATEST RELEASE DATE OF OUR
(AS YET UNTITLED)
NEW ALBUM...
AUGUST 13TH WILL SEE THE RELEASE OF OUR 4TH 'MIX 13' SINGLE
'THE PERFECT BOY'
B/W ANOTHER 'NOT ON THE ALBUM' SONG
'WITHOUT YOU'
SEPTEMBER 13TH WILL SEE THE RELEASE OF AN EP
COMPRISING THE FIRST 4 SINGLES
'THE ONLY ONE' / 'FREAKSHOW' / 'SLEEP WHEN I'M DEAD' / 'THE PERFECT BOY'
REMIXED BY...
*SURPRISE REMIXERS*!!!
(sighs... remembers those pre-web golden days of surprise... )
ALL ROYALTIES FROM THIS EP RELEASE
(EVEN THOSE DUE THE MIGHTY 'U' WE HOPE!)
WILL GO TO...
WELL WE HAVEN'T QUITE DECIDED YET!
SINCE WE GOT BACK FROM AMERICA
I HAVE BEEN MIXING PARIS
AND CHARLOTTE
AND NYC SHOWS FOR TV/DVD
AND I NEED A BIT MORE TIME
TO PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES TO THE ALBUM...
TO DECIDE ON WHAT SONGS MAKE THE FINAL CUT...
AND IN WHAT ORDER...
(frowns... wonders if a 17 song 80 minute album is a double... ?)
SO...
OCTOBER 13TH IT IS THEN...
UNTIL THE NEXT POSTPONEMENT?
HA!!!
RSX
:smth020
Well, Im glad tht new album will be realesed in Oct.! :smth023
(I don't know why, but Im really happy about this) :-D
Quote from: scatcat on July 17, 2008, 08:47:57
UNTIL THE NEXT POSTPONEMENT?
HA!!!
RSX
Until the next postponement!? You gotta give it to Robert, he surely has his sense of humour intact... :-D
I think all these postponements together with the disappointing new single releases are unfortunately a sign that these Dream 13 sessions haven't produced much quality material. Robert himself can't seem to be able to decide once and for all what to do with the whole thing. If the new album turns out to be good it will be a surprise, at least for me...
Anyway, I really hope it won't be a double, because I don't know of any REALLY GOOD double CD releases (compilations and live recordings aside, that is)!
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 10:48:27
I think all these postponements together with the disappointing new single releases are unfortunately a sign that these Dream 13 sessions haven't produced much quality material. Robert himself can't seem to be able to decide once and for all what to do with the whole thing. If the new album turns out to be good it will be a surprise, at least for me...
Anyway, I really hope it won't be a double, because I don't know of any REALLY GOOD double CD releases (compilations and live recordings aside, that is)!
Don't take your own oppinion on the new singles as the only existing one. I'd call them anything but "dissapointing", for me they are great pop tunes (and that's what most Cure Singles have always been), by far better than the last five Singles ("Cut here" -> "Taking off"). And don't ignore the fact that the new singles received mainly positive reviews by the media.
As the B-Sides und the yet unreleased live tracks are great as well, I'm pretty convinced that the album will be a killer.
another ep with more mixes..... well we've waited this long, what's another month....
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
Don't take your own oppinion on the new singles as the final truth in the history of mankind.
I don't. There is no such thing as a final truth. I just happen to prefer my opinion to the opinions of other people, which is only natural. I suppose most other participants in this forum could say the same thing about their own opinions... :-D
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
Don't take your own oppinion on the new singles as the final truth in the history of mankind. I'd call them anything but "dissapointing", for me they are great pop tunes (and that's what most Cure Singles have always been), by far better than the last five Singles ("Cut here" -> "Taking off").
Well, I don't think that they are better than "End of the World"... And maybe not better than "Taking Off", also, which had an uninspiring chorus but also a really catchy main guitar riff in the verses... Anyway, those 5 releases should not be the standard, because they are not good enough. If Robert's intention, as he himself as mentioned, is "draw people into the Cure world again", the new pop singles woud have to be more impressive. It's hard to imagine new people starting to like The Cure because of these new singles or even old fans who had already given up on the group suddenly finding that they like The Cure again because of "The Only One" or "Freakshow"...
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
And don't ignore the fact that the new singles received mainly positive reviews by the media.
Well, but what media are those? If you are referring to the media reviews that have been posted on the COF blog, most of those are poorly written and give the impression that said critics either don't have a clue or are rabid Cure fans that will eat up each and every thing the band releases just because it is The Cure...
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 13:57:44
Well, but what media are those? If you are referring to the media reviews that have been posted on the COF blog, most of those are poorly written and give the impression that said critics either don't have a clue or are rabid Cure fans that will eat up each and every thing the band releases just because it is The Cure...
Isn't that the state of the music media today? The major magazines (Rolling Stone, Spin, Entertainment Weekly) have all had blurbs about what a refreshing marketing plan this is, and if you don't like the blogs fine, but they ARE major players in music now, making and bands popular that don't see much radio airplay (see Vampire Weekend and Tapes & Tapes). Poorly written? Sometimes. Important in 2008? Absolutely.
The industry and the ways of promoting itself properly have changed greatly.
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 13:57:44
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
Don't take your own oppinion on the new singles as the final truth in the history of mankind.
I don't. There is no such thing as a final truth. I just happen to prefer my opinion to the opinions of other people, which is only natural. I suppose most other participants in this forum could say the same thing about their own opinions... :-D
I already changed that sentence, 'cause it sounded sort of harsh. ;)
From my point of view it's just frustrating to see people bashing the singles over and over again (and on the other hand call mediocre tracks like "This morning" and the uninspired "Your god is fear" masterpieces). I'm not a desperate die hard fan with my head in Robert's ass, but I love those new songs and they sound way better than I expected after the recent band output (not even to mention the collaborations).
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
Don't take your own oppinion on the new singles as the final truth in the history of mankind. I'd call them anything but "dissapointing", for me they are great pop tunes (and that's what most Cure Singles have always been), by far better than the last five Singles ("Cut here" -> "Taking off").
Well, I don't think that they are better than "End of the World"... And maybe not better than "Taking Off", also, which had an uninspiring chorus but also a really catchy main guitar riff in the verses... Anyway, those 5 releases should not be the standard, because they are not good enough. If Robert's intention, as he himself as mentioned, is "draw people into the Cure world again", the new pop singles woud have to be more impressive. It's hard to imagine new people starting to like The Cure because of these new singles or even old fans who had already given up on the group suddenly finding that they like The Cure again because of "The Only One" or "Freakshow"...
Well, to get back those old fans the band should trash all their post 1982 releases (except Disintegration and Bloodflowers), 'cause things went off track with "Lovecats" for those Goths. ;)
Actually I know people that discovered the band via the new singles, so they can't be that bad. Maybe it's really a question of the level of expectations. After 30 years in business Robert will not sit down and write songs on the level of "Just like heaven" easily. But 3 good A-Sides and 3 even better B-Sides, with the best Single (judging from the live version) yet to come is far more than you can expect realistically.
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 17, 2008, 13:16:12
And don't ignore the fact that the new singles received mainly positive reviews by the media.
Well, but what media are those? If you are referring to the media reviews that have been posted on the COF blog, most of those are poorly written and give the impression that said critics either don't have a clue or are rabid Cure fans that will eat up each and every thing the band releases just because it is The Cure...
I agree about those reviews on COF, but at least 50% of the "serious" reviews are positive as well, which is a good ratio for dinosaurs like The Cure.
Quote from: rodney on July 17, 2008, 14:28:10
Isn't that the state of the music media today? The major magazines (Rolling Stone, Spin, Entertainment Weekly) have all had blurbs about what a refreshing marketing plan this is
But it's one thing to previously applaud the 4 singles MARKETING plan and it's another to praise the MUSIC that is actually released in those singles... Have the mentioned magazines also given the singles glowing reviews?
The thing is, I also think that the marketing plan was a good idea, I just don't think that The Cure had the tunes to enable that plan to be a complete success... Hell, I can also give positive reviews to 2 of the 3 singles: 'The Only One" is kind of nice and 'Sleep When I'm Dead' has a beautiful intro. There. I just think that these "positive" features are not enough.
I was expecting that album for my (self) birthday gift :smth011 so... another month until the next postponement? :?
Quote from: scatcat on July 17, 2008, 08:47:57
OCTOBER 13TH...
7/16/2008 10:13:31 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
SINCE WE GOT BACK FROM AMERICA
I HAVE BEEN MIXING PARIS
AND CHARLOTTE
AND NYC SHOWS FOR TV/DVD
Another DVD with the same Line-up????
Urghhhh!!!!
Do I have to buy it?
Would my collection be considered "incompleteif I don't???
It might remain just as my Festival 2005 DVD...
Unopened...
Oh well I guess a new EP and DVD justify an extra month of wait...
This is reminding me of the wait for In Rainbows...
I don't have all of the magazines handy, so I can't say for sure what they've said (if anything) about the actual songs, but I do know that major music magazines are easily swayed by money, so if Universal payed up, like they do with so many other releases, I'm sure they'd recieve plenty of attention. You can have the greatest album in the world and if your label doesn't have the money (or won't spend the money) to get you mentioned in the magazines, then it's not going to matter (I know this from experience). It seems clear to me that Robert's not happy with his current contract with Universal, and a lack of promotion and focus on the band could be a major reason why. The Cure are just a cog in a very, very big machine there and without a major campaign, they're unlikely to sell more than a few hundred thousand copies of a new full length release, which is small change to a company like Universal.
Quote from: Purple Orchid on July 17, 2008, 17:32:09
Quote from: scatcat on July 17, 2008, 08:47:57
OCTOBER 13TH...
7/16/2008 10:13:31 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
SINCE WE GOT BACK FROM AMERICA
I HAVE BEEN MIXING PARIS
AND CHARLOTTE
AND NYC SHOWS FOR TV/DVD
Another DVD with the same Line-up????
Urghhhh!!!!
Do I have to buy it?
Would my collection be considered "incompleteif I don't???
It might remain just as my Festival 2005 DVD...
Unopened...
Hopefully it will make for better viewing; Festival sounded fabulous but looked like Robert's Great iMovie. And all in all, Festival was a still a great buy for $10. Plus this time we'll get Porl's makeover.
Quote from: Purple Orchid on July 17, 2008, 17:32:09
Another DVD with the same Line-up????
Urghhhh!!!!
Do I have to buy it?
Would my collection be considered "incompleteif I don't???
It might remain just as my Festival 2005 DVD...
Unopened...
Well, festivals are festivals. There are too many audience, noises etc
But the concert is absolutely another cauldron! There are a big difference between concert & festival. Its as good as compare 'Trilogy' with 'Festival 2005' isnt it?
So I hope new dvd would be HDTV (I don't think tht they will do BR) + with Porl's artwork effects instead of bloody 'festival 2005' grey & black effect on Signal To Noise or any other shit... :smth023
I am a bit sad that it is at month again, but I still enjoy on new album ;) I respect Robert arbitrament :) it is his band and album, and we can to wait only ;)
Quote from: mint car on July 18, 2008, 11:43:01
I am a bit sad that it is at month again, but I still enjoy on new album ;) I respect Robert arbitrament :) it is his band and album, and we can to wait only ;)
I totally agree on this aspect.. .. do we want a half-finished/wishwashy/thrown together album?? .. ( or double album ? :smth023 )
NO!! Creativity takes many twists and turns.. like 'writer's block', as an artist myself... pressure only contributes to regrets and failures.
Take the time you need Robert.
:smth020
Quote from: scatcat on July 18, 2008, 22:37:29
Quote from: mint car on July 18, 2008, 11:43:01
I am a bit sad that it is at month again, but I still enjoy on new album ;) I respect Robert arbitrament :) it is his band and album, and we can to wait only ;)
I totally agree on this aspect.. .. do we want a half-finished/wishwashy/thrown together album?? .. ( or double album ? :smth023 )
NO!! Creativity takes many twists and turns.. like 'writer's block', as an artist myself... pressure only contributes to regrets and failures.
Take the time you need Robert.
:smth020
You said it scatcat :)
A half-baked album isn't what we want.
And we all know that Robert is perfectionist :)
I'm not sad that the album will come out in October :)
Curious how it will be :)
:-D
yes.. & lapping up the singles as they are released is like food for the soul!!
:smth020
Just listened to piles and piles of the old mixes and the idea of the Remix-EP really grows on me. Just push the album release further as we get a surprise like that every month. ;)
Quote from: rodney on July 17, 2008, 19:43:17
It seems clear to me that Robert's not happy with his current contract with Universal, and a lack of promotion and focus on the band could be a major reason why. The Cure are just a cog in a very, very big machine there and without a major campaign, they're unlikely to sell more than a few hundred thousand copies of a new full length release, which is small change to a company like Universal.
The idea of RS not being happy with Universals treatment of the band actually makes alot of sense. From what I can gather they signed a five album contract with Universal in 2003, the first album being the 2004 album and the second being the Festival 2005 DVD.
Now with Robert deciding to release the next album in two seperate installments along with the 30th anniversary DVD that would effectively free them from their contract with Universal...
Moral of the story: Major labels suck, and Robert is just learning this now after 25 years on an indie label...
I believe -- believe -- The Cure signed a three album deal. I don't think the Festival DVD counts toward fulfilling that commitment. If I'm right, then making the upcoming album two separate albums makes sense; it fulfills their contractual obligations to release three albums with Geffen/Suretone.
Come on, Robert: Release one album in October and another in December. :smth023
Quote from: Bloodflower on July 21, 2008, 06:58:28
I believe -- believe -- The Cure signed a three album deal.
That's the way I understood it. And I strongly doubt that the Festival DVD counts as an album. They should be out of their contract with the release of the next two studio albums.
ditto, live dvd wouldn't constitute an album.. i would say...
Quote from: silversand on July 18, 2008, 22:52:22
A half-baked album isn't what we want.
Yeah, but do we want an over-cooked one? :-D
I just remembered a thing Porl Thompson mentioned in some interview a while ago, I think at the end of 2007, or something. When asked what the new Cure album sounded like, he said it was 'gorgeous'. Of course he was referring to his impression of the sessions, since by that time nobody knew the track list to the album... (Did I say 'by that time'? :-D )
I'm holding to this 'confession' and conclude that The Cure must have recorded quite a few wonderful songs, even if they don't bring anything new to the table. Now, if they haven't ruined the songs after that interview with unnecessary mixes and overdubs and if Robert makes up his mind and decides to chose an inspiring track list, there is still a possibility that from those 30-something-songs-sessions at least ONE REALLY GOOD album will come out...
i don't mind the delay. I just hope that we can expect a wonderful album in October. (and hopefully one in December)According to the new songs they played on the tour it has to be fantastic!
Anyway, i also remember reading about a three album contract.
I thought it was a three album deal too. Five album deals are rare. Usually three or seven.
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 11:31:41
I just remembered a thing Porl Thompson mentioned in some interview a while ago, I think at the end of 2007, or something. When asked what the new Cure album sounded like, he said it was 'gorgeous'. Of course he was referring to his impression of the sessions
The interview I was talking about is from January 2007 and is here:
http://www.hispacure.com/b/prensa/archivo/reportajes/hispacure/interview_porl_january2007.pdf
Porl says the following words:
"I won't say too much other than a lot of passion and raw sounding
but it could change over night! I love it though it is Gorgeous!"
Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 10:48:27
Anyway, I really hope it won't be a double, because I don't know of any REALLY GOOD double CD releases (compilations and live recordings aside, that is)!
I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16
I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).
But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16
I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).
But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists.
That's a good reason for not asking them. If these bands that I like want to have some feedback from the fans as to what the tracklists to their albums should be, they should just ask ME... :-D
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16
I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).
But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").
just a side note:
it's interesting to observe how the concept of
an album affects to our thinking, when we talk about music. (also, how that concept has changed ever since it stopped being sliced into sides A & B, but that's another story.) it seems like we're always "counting songs", thinking "is that enough good stuff
for an album?" and things like this. just think of it if artists/bands just released all their songs individually, and had always done so.
or, if the concept of an album was more varied somehow. i mean i'd really hope people experiemented with it more, tried consciously to create different (song) structures, different kind of overall compositions (i don't mean songs as individual compositions but the whole of it), tried to use different kind of architecture so to speak, when putting together "an album". i feel like it's too often just based on "let's see just how much stuff can i fit on one cd" and other dull calculations like that. almost as if sometimes artists seemed to feel responsible to fill all the space on the discs... and then you get to pay for obvious fillers which shouldn't even be there. i'd rather buy 35 minutes of great stuff than 70 minutes of something that's a quality rollercoaster.
for instance, i'm not at all a fan of Slayer but i do like the overall composition of their debute 'show no mercy': it's only about 35 minutes in all and kicks ass from the beginning to the end, no bullshit included - because there's simply no time/room for it!
that's a kind of thinking i like.*)
*edit: i don't mean i like short albums in general. ;) i meant that Slayer seems to have found a format there that really fits
their style and their message and they went for that - instead of making it twice as long (and twice as boring too...). so what i mean is that a lot of times artists could be a bit sharper about this, more conscious about what they want, how they want
their albums to be like. instead of "just" carrying out their responsibilities and making "an album". (because they also save us poor fans the trouble of sitting here and going on and on about how this or that album should be re-constructed. ;))
:D
Quote from: japanesebaby on July 22, 2008, 11:10:27
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16
I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).
But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").
just a side note:
it's interesting to observe how the concept of an album affects to our thinking, when we talk about music. (also, how that concept has changed ever since it stopped being sliced into sides A & B, but that's another story.) it seems like we're always "counting songs", thinking "is that enough good stuff for an album?" and things like this. just think of it if artists/bands just released all their songs individually, and had always done so.
or, if the concept of an album was more varied somehow. i mean i'd really hope people experiemented with it more, tried consciously to create different (song) structures, different kind of overall compositions (i don't mean songs as individual compositions but the whole of it), tried to use different kind of architecture so to speak, when putting together "an album". i feel like it's too often just based on "let's see just how much stuff can i fit on one cd" and other dull calculations like that. almost as if sometimes artists seemed to feel responsible to fill all the space on the discs... and then you get to pay for obvious fillers which shouldn't even be there. i'd rather buy 35 minutes of great stuff than 70 minutes of something that's a quality rollercoaster.
for instance, i'm not at all a fan of Slayer but i do like the overall composition of their debute 'show no mercy': it's only about 35 minutes in all and kicks ass from the beginning to the end, no bullshit included - because there's simply no time/room for it!
that's a kind of thinking i like.*)
*edit: i don't mean i like short albums in general. ;) i meant that Slayer seems to have found a format there that really fits their style and their message and they went for that - instead of making it twice as long (and twice as boring too...). so what i mean is that a lot of times artists could be a bit sharper about this, more conscious about what they want, how they want their albums to be like. instead of "just" carrying out their responsibilities and making "an album". (because they also save us poor fans the trouble of sitting here and going on and on about how this or that album should be re-constructed. ;))
:D
I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring. Actually, from what I have checked, most death metal albums nowadays seem to last for 30-40 minutes, sometimes even less. Those bands know what they're doing, at least in this respect.
Anyway, I think you can also find plenty of Cure examples of albums with the right lenght (and with the right song sequencing). Actually, probably all of them up to 'Wish'. KMKMKM is quite long, alright, but on that album they were going for the whole spectrum of possible styles, so it makes sense. So, even if a few songs are kind-of-"fillerish", it doesn't actually seem to be overlong, at least to me.
I agree that with the advent of the CD medium, the 'intuition' that many bands seemed to have regarding the construction of their albums seems to have vanished in the haze. Because they have 80 minutes to fill with all the music they like, bands probably don't bother anymore... There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music. These are a QUANTITY-OVER-ALL times, after all.
Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring.
sure, that's true. my point was not to say 30-40 minute medium should be good for everyone, just to find some kind of example where people have at least thought about this aspect a bit, because all too often i feel it's just quantity over quality, like said.
Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music.
a friend of mine who's a fan of susanne vega just bought her new album early this year. she had been waiting for that release a lot and after she got it i asked her "so how did you like it?". the only thing she said was: "i was really disappointed because it's only 35 minutes long! :("
i guess that speaks for itself, sadly. :/
Quote from: japanesebaby on July 22, 2008, 11:59:32
Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring.
sure, that's true. my point was not to say 30-40 minute medium should be good for everyone, just to find some kind of example where people have at least thought about this aspect a bit, because all too often i feel it's just quantity over quality, like said.
Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music.
a friend of mine who's a fan of susanne vega just bought her new album early this year. she had been waiting for that release a lot and after she got it i asked her "so how did you like it?". the only thing she said was: "i was really disappointed because it's only 35 minutes long! :("
i guess that speaks for itself, sadly. :/
Well, 35 minutes is kind of really short... it wouldn't matter if all the songs were great, as in her debut album, for instance, but I guess nowadays Suzanne is probably not that inspired (I'm just guessing here, at least her last album that I checked - 'Songs in Red and Grey' - was not impressive at all...).
I think people really want to get 'smashed' by the music. If quality somehow fails at least quantity will be there to satisfy them.
PS: I just checked the old rusty encyclopedia ( http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=212 ). 'Reign in Blood' in fact only lasts for about 28 minutes...
Hello everyone,
just wanted to say that it seems (according to COF tonight) that Universal has the new album delayed it seems to Oct 28th.
I'll just speak about that because that's the topic, I'm a bit disappointed, not because it's delayed (even though I had thought that this time it owuld stay this way), but because of the date: I'd rather have it released on Nov 13th!
yep,Robert did put a couple of announcements in the "comments" section on the Official site, but of course, one has to wade through mountains of jibberjabber to actually find them...but the album has been delayed, and it's Universals' fault... COF has the comments from Robert, easier to read there...
why am I not surprised? Still if it makes for a better album, I for one, am happy to wait.
Here is what Robert wrote on the official site:
DELAY? WHAT DELAY?!!
9/8/2008 5:43:06 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
SO THE ALBUM IS OUT 13 DAYS LATER THAN PLANNED (WELL... AS LONG AS THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE BENDS TO FIT THE STORY? OR IF WE RUN FAST ENOUGH EAST... )
HOWEVER
EXCITING THINGS START HAPPENING HERE ON THE 13TH OCTOBER...
MORE NEWS WHEN HYPNAGOGIC HAS BEEN BORN
RSX
PS
WE CANT MAKE IT HALLOWEEN BECAUSE THE MIGHTY U DONT RELEASE ON FRIDAYS... AND THERES ME WORRYING ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE IDL!!!
and also:
LUCKY 13?
9/8/2008 5:53:52 PM - by CURE:ROBERT
IN A YEARS TIME I DOUBT ANYONE WILL REMEMBER THE RELEASE DATE...
AND THE SAD REALITY IS THAT FAR FROM EMBRACING MY 13TH CONCEPT
(DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS)
THE MIGHTY U HAVE CHOSEN TO TOTALLY IGNORE IT
AS THEY SCHEDULE THEIR RELEASES AROUND A USA TUESDAY... AND BUSINESS IS BUSINESS...
IN FACT ''THE ONLY ONE' WAS INDEED THE ONLY ONE OF THE FIVE RELEASES SO FAR TO GET OUT ON A 13TH - AND THEN... PLAN 13 FELL APART AS FAR BACK AS JUNE!
AND THE NEXT 13TH THAT FALLS ON A TUESDAY?
JANUARY 2009...
SO
OCTOBER 28TH IT WILL BE!
RSX
PS
NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE OUT ON THE 27TH EVERYWHERE ELSE...
BUT THEN I'M NOT SURE TMU IS SURE EITHER!
PPS
OCTOBER 28TH IS THE 301ST DAY OF THE YEAR... SO THERE IS A 1 AND A 3 IN THERE SOMEWHERE AFTER ALL!!! YAY!!!
Just wait is the message! Trust...
Hey, it's only 2 weeks...I can wait...
From reading Robert's comments it seems like it wasn't HIS choice to change the date, just the date "the mighty U" picked based on his wanting Oct. 13th...so I doubt there's actually any more work to be done on the music itself, just Universal getting their act together and having it made and distributed :smth011
Sound's like Robert's ready to get the thing out! So...damn! Still so soon though compared to all the waiting up until now! :-D
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 09, 2008, 12:21:55
why am I not surprised? Still if it makes for a better album, I for one, am happy to wait.
Better album because the record company/distributors take a bit longer to make it fit into their schedule? I don't think so...
(I mean the band finished recording a while ago, these short-term delays are only about schedules, marketing campaigns etc.)
The band talked publicly about recording the new album back in 2006 (I think), so a few weeks more wait is no problem for me. Also we got 4 new singles to make the waiting much easier! :)
I think that Robert is shocked from bearing of their record label. For label is it only business... :smth011
so... 28.october ;)
Just be done with labels. What do they get you..filmclips and radio play?..oh wait...
They may as well just release their own stuff through their website, whenever they feel like it. Lossless format for the MP3 generation, orderable CD/vinyl for us oldies.
Quote from: Secrets on September 13, 2008, 16:27:55
Just be done with labels. What do they get you..filmclips and radio play?..oh wait...
Now there's an idea...think it's time for Robert to have a nice long chat with Trent Reznor - The Slip was released through the NIN website, and the CD version wasn't released through a major label either....
Quote from: Secrets on September 13, 2008, 16:27:55
Just be done with labels. What do they get you..filmclips and radio play?..oh wait...
They may as well just release their own stuff through their website, whenever they feel like it. Lossless format for the MP3 generation, orderable CD/vinyl for us oldies.
i suppose you mean lossy format for the mp3 generation(?).
lossless wouldn't have to be orderable CD only, they could just as well put up some 48 or 96 kHz 24-bit HQ download - like trent did.
and talking about him:
Quote from: sues777 on September 13, 2008, 16:34:54
Now there's an idea...think it's time for Robert to have a nice long chat with Trent Reznor
indeed. by the way robert could have contacted him for the remix album already....
which reminds me of something now -- > http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5557.msg55870.html#msg55870
found this on a morrissey (eh) forum (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=966410#post966410):
http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=602517642256
http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=602517642256
http://idealcopy.american-data.net//Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=4988005527851
TRACK LISTING
Underneath the Stars
The Only One
A Boy I Never Knew
Freakshow
Lusting Here in Your Mind
The Hungry Ghost
The Perfect Boy
Christmas Without You
Please Come Home
Spot Marks the X
16
Sleep When I'm Dead
Baby Rag Dog Book
*Tracklist TBC*
hot. I'm getting hard.
hopefully this release will have several different versions like the last one... I think I had to buy three copies of the album to have all the songs.. that'd be great!!!
well,
that setlist is the one on wikipedia...
i think it's false... since he didn't get announced,yet.
that setlit is poppycock!!! try to imagine... deep and beautiful "underneath the stars" and right after that "the only one" ?? :lol: :lol: And after that again slow and beauty song as "a boy i never knew" and after that "freakshow" ??
Robert isn´t so mad!!!
Propably it's a fake tracklist, but actually I'd be happy about that one. Why not having "The only one" after "Underneath.."? Placing upbeat pop singles after dark tracks worked well on Head on the door and KMKMKM. Would be boring to have both styles seperated on the record (like 6 slow, dark songs in sequence and then 6 singles).
Quote from: [labyrinth] on September 14, 2008, 12:57:01
well,
that setlist is the one on wikipedia...
i think it's false... since he didn't get announced,yet.
It's also on some sale sites so it may be correct or at least given to them by the Universal..
Quote from: [labyrinth] on September 14, 2008, 12:57:01
well,
that setlist is the one on wikipedia...
i think it's false... since he didn't get announced,yet.
i don't think it's been on wikipedia for long (i was reading it not so long ago and i didn't see it there then).
whether or not the set list is complete/correct i find myself feeling slightly weird since there are only a couple of songs there that would be completely new to us. we already know most of it, whether through the singles or live performances. not sure if that's a good or a bad thing in general, but somehow i do feel as if i've already heard too much of it in advance now (i guess i just like getting a new album without having heard any tracks from it in advance).
anyway, just thinking out loud. hopefully the album versions will be a lot different than the single versions were.
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 14, 2008, 08:36:49
found this on a morrissey (eh) forum (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=966410#post966410):
http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=602517642256
http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=602517642256
http://idealcopy.american-data.net//Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=4988005527851
TRACK LISTING
Underneath the Stars
The Only One
A Boy I Never Knew
Freakshow
Lusting Here in Your Mind
The Hungry Ghost
The Perfect Boy
Christmas Without You
Please Come Home
Spot Marks the X
16
Sleep When I'm Dead
Baby Rag Dog Book
*Tracklist TBC*
Now, what the hell have you been doing on a Morrissey forum? Hast thou got no principles? :shock:
The setlist is definitly false because all of these songs we don't already know are exactly the songtitles, robert already mentioned or brought up in interviews during the year. so not a single songtitel totally new to us? as they recorded 33 new songs? slightly queer sounding to me.. and didn't robert spoke of rather about 17 oder 18 song than 12 oder 13 in the latest news? this setlist for itself is a cheap joke, nothing more.
Quote from: revolt on September 15, 2008, 12:27:43
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 14, 2008, 08:36:49
found this on a morrissey (eh) forum (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=966410#post966410):
Now, what the hell have you been doing on a Morrissey forum? Hast thou got no principles? :shock:
ah, a just question, indeed, craves a full explanation:
i googled "4:13" + "cure" + "tracklist" and that simply happened to be the first page that google listed for me. so blame it on google - they have no shame. :smth011
:smth083
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 15, 2008, 16:53:17
Quote from: revolt on September 15, 2008, 12:27:43
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 14, 2008, 08:36:49
found this on a morrissey (eh) forum (http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/showthread.php?p=966410#post966410):
Now, what the hell have you been doing on a Morrissey forum? Hast thou got no principles? :shock:
ah, a just question, indeed, craves a full explanation:
i googled "4:13" + "cure" + "tracklist" and that simply happened to be the first page that google listed for me. so blame it on google - they have no shame. :smth011
:smth083
:-D
More seriously, I'm almost sure I have read that tracklist before, maybe at COF? I can't remember right now, but it must have been some 2 or 3 months ago now.
Didn't Robert say the album was coming out on October 28th? Amazon is showing the 14th.
http://www.amazon.com/4-13-Dream-Cure/dp/B001FBSMOO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1221765198&sr=1-1
Did they just not update their listing since it was thought to have been coming out on that day? The artwork is now current, at least on the CD. So there obviously was some sort of an update.
i was just shopping on play.com and noticed that over there they've now delayed the release date to 24th november:
http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/5416480/-/Product.html?searchstring=cure+4%3a13&searchsource=0
i wonder if this is true? :?:
*edit: just noticed that this has been on COF too today.
If this is how it must be than soooo be it....Remember this is the first CD since the lineup shuffle...AND no official keyboard player. I'm sure Robert is doing well but, still the Cure without keyboards is really a different direction.
They may still be tweaking or it may really be Universal. All of them Play Keys to some extent, but let's face it, Roger kicked Bum, just listen to Disintegration if you doubt me, esp Plainsong, Pics of You, and Prayers for Rain. They're going in a diff direction so this whole CD thing is going into new territory.
It still will be excellent though.....
I can't wait for the Dark Album.....
Quote from: Basileus on October 07, 2008, 06:46:04If this is how it must be than soooo be it....Remember this is the first CD since the lineup shuffle...AND no official keyboard player. I'm sure Robert is doing well but, still the Cure without keyboards is really a different direction.
They may still be tweaking or it may really be Universal.
Erm, I don't think so. With a release only a few weeks away, the album must definitely be finished and handed in to the record company! Mastering had been done already by summer, I'm sure. So there's no room for tweaking with keyboards or any instruments anymore (btw, a few singles without a keyboarder have already been released!! Can't see the problem being the keyboard, sorry...)
IF there's any more delays, it will only be "scheduling" or "marketing strategies" by the record company, not the band!!