another delay?
here: http://www.reuters.com/article/musicNews/idUSL0989172520070810
always knew it would get pushed back again, thats the Cure for you :roll:
well bugger
I guess it is a bit much to expect it completed whilst they are on tour though!
its official now, you can now call the 4tour the "2007 2005 Festival DVD world tour"...same thing in america it seems now
THE CURE, the only band who make a world tour before his new album !!!
:rocker
The rule of 4 years never fails:
1992
1996
2000
2004
2008
So let's not even begin to think of anything else until 2012. :roll:
Ummmm.....did we forget about Bloodflowers in 2000?
Quote from: j on August 10, 2007, 17:56:55
Ummmm.....did we forget about Bloodflowers in 2000?
I obviously can't read what I type sometimes. :oops:
While not surprised I'm... disappointed. I really hope they start playing some new f*cking songs real soon, though. It's like "Festival 2005" all over again... and bring back "The Promise" already. Absolutely appalling that a guitar based lineup of The Cure is not destroying fans with the song yet. Outside of "The Kiss" it's the BEST guitar song in the catalog.
Grrrr :smth011 :evil: :smth093
Quote from: splitmilk34 on August 10, 2007, 21:45:47
While not surprised I'm... disappointed. I really hope they start playing some new f*cking songs real soon, though. It's like "Festival 2005" all over again... and bring back "The Promise" already. Absolutely appalling that a guitar based lineup of The Cure is not destroying fans with the song yet. Outside of "The Kiss" it's the BEST guitar song in the catalog.
Grrrr :smth011 :evil: :smth093
Yeah... The few different songs they've done so far are nice, but seriously, we've heard everything else 100 times.
Time to mix it up! :!:
well, say what you will, but i will be more than pleased with the tour as long as they play 'a letter to elise' at chicago...(signal to noise would be nice as well)...still hoping for some new tunes though....i say they should release an early single/ep to hold us over...
WELL, IT'S NOT THAT BAD THAT THE ALBUM GOT DELAYED
THEY HAVE 33 NEW SOGS
AND THEY ARE PRODUCING IT THEMSELVES
...
:smth023
IF THEY HAD FIGHTS IN THE STUDIO AND IF THE BAND FELL APART IN THE PROCEs...
:-D
I was just thinking about the "four year rule". Honestly, we've waited this out many times before. This isn't a super big deal to me. I'm hoping that there will be another US tour next summer in support of the album. Surely they'll have to do some sort of a proper tour for the record, won't they?
Quote from: rodney on August 11, 2007, 15:37:49I'm hoping that there will be another US tour next summer in support of the album. Surely they'll have to do some sort of a proper tour for the record, won't they?
I wouldn't be so sure... :?
Oh well i hope they will really release the album next year, because they pushed it back again.
Was it for the third or forth time (i'm not really sure - i could be wrong)? ???
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 11, 2007, 15:51:05
I wouldn't be so sure... :?
Well, you may be right about that. Still, I don't think Robert is as powerful as he thinks he is. For a major label to allow an artist to release a DOUBLE album in two different versions, and not tour the US in support of it (because, really this tour isn't a tour for the new album. It now seems to be just a tour) seems pretty unfathomable to me.
Quote from: silversand on August 11, 2007, 22:34:22
Was it for the third or forth time (i'm not really sure - i could be wrong)? ???
in 2005: the new album on robert's birthday in 2006
in 2006: the new album in october 2006
in 2007: the new album in april/march
then
the new album in october
now
the new album the next year... :?
Thanks cureterra for your help :)
So many times they pushed the release of the album back!?!. That's a little bit too much i think.
Now we have to wait and see if/when the album will come out :)
Does anybody have a clue what types of themes they'll have in the record? Or what style they are going for as far as musicwise...
Call me a bad fan, but I had no idea they were even making a new album! Rock on, Robert! :rocker
It's supposed to be a bit like Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me : a collection of upbeat and atmospheric/weird/heavy songs. Duality.
I don't have a problem with the record release being postponed.
Although I'm looking forward to it, I don't mind waiting a bit more for the new album; what really matters is the final result. A better result is worth a longer wait. I have mixed feeling about the last three studio album (WMS, Bloodflowers, The Cure), none of them lived up to my expectations. Even though there are good songs here and there, none of them completely convinced me. So I hope the upcoming work will be better and I hope Porl's contribution will be important for that. I think several old songs which have been performed live by the new lineup suffer from the lack of keyboards, but I hope that new songs, written without keyboards from the beginning, will work better. So, again, it's ok if they take their time, I just hope they come up with something really good.
oh gr8
what gr8 news 2 read after summer
hope i'll get the album b4 i reach robert's age
haha
i really do feel like the fans got the shaft on this one...its like the band is just saying "f*ck em"...we wait in line to get tickets, we book hotel rooms and then 3 f*cking weeks before the show they bail out? they didnt realize they has a scheduling conflict before this?? very weak ...its like they are taking the fans for granted...maybe fat bob has been spending too much time with blink 182 afterall...
Quote from: curekid on August 25, 2007, 05:48:39
i really do feel like the fans got the shaft on this one...its like the band is just saying "f*ck em"...we wait in line to get tickets, we book hotel rooms and then 3 f*cking weeks before the show they bail out? they didnt realize they has a scheduling conflict before this?? very weak ...its like they are taking the fans for granted...maybe fat bob has been spending too much time with blink 182 afterall...
& i just come 2 agree..
this sux
they just know they'll get all this money 4sure, so they reely give no shit..
the difference is obvious when watchin a live show from '90 or b4, and now..
anyway, seems there's no other way..
we take it or leave it.. haha
so, now they have postponed the autumn tour and are back in studio, the album maybe will not be pushed back till next year? maybe there'll be a late autumn/before christmas release as things have changed again???
;)
i expect it to be released on January...
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 30, 2007, 19:56:20
i expect it to be released on January...
APRIL IT WILL BE...
:-D
For chrismas, it will be a good present !!!
i don't think it'll be April,
don't forget here in Europe they've already been before the last album was released and nobody knew the new songs...then i don't think, they're going to do again this thing.
and then, it would be....BAD....if they stopped the tour and release the album for April... they could've completed the tour and then release the album in May ... what's the difference? i mean, they did this for the album...and to complete it NOW (as he said)
Quote from: [labyrinth] on August 31, 2007, 13:51:13
i don't think it'll be April,
don't forget here in Europe they've already been before the last album was released and nobody knew the new songs...then i don't think, they're going to do again this thing.
and then, it would be....BAD....if they stopped the tour and release the album for April... they could've completed the tour and then release the album in May ... what's the difference? i mean, they did this for the album...and to complete it NOW (as he said)
WELL I DONT WANT TO BE MEAN, BUT I THINK THEY KINDA DROPPED THE BOMB WITH THIS DELAY, SO THE NEXT DELAY(S) WONT BE SO HARD TO MAKE...
THE ALBUM CERTAINLY WONT BE OUT FOR CHRISTMAS
AND IT WOULD BE VERY LOW KEY TO PUT IT OUT IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY
AH...
I JUST HOPE IT WILL BE WORTH WAITING!
:?
Okay...this is Off-Topic and yet very much On-Topic...
While searching the Youtube world, I found this little video claiming the be a "new music video from The Cure"...I was skeptical about it, but watched it nonetheless...WATCH IT!
Click Here To See It! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sh7W72lcGI8)
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? :eek:
Quote from: Carnage Visor on September 03, 2007, 05:14:20
Okay...this is Off-Topic and yet very much On-Topic...
While searching the Youtube world, I found this little video claiming the be a "new music video from The Cure"...I was skeptical about it, but watched it nonetheless...WATCH IT!
Click Here To See It! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sh7W72lcGI8)
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? :eek:
just some crap that some people seem to have time to do, probably because they don't even like the band and so they think it's somehow funny(?). or someone without any musical skills (as it seems) really thought he could pass that as a hoax? ha!
could be some inside joke, people upload all sorts of stuff on youtube for their friends only, i don't know.
anyway i think it was simply boring.
look carefully on this picture:
http://www.picturesofyou.us/07/07-10-AP-Schecter.htm
new album on 5th December??
Quote from: monghi on September 05, 2007, 07:13:01
look carefully on this picture:
http://www.picturesofyou.us/07/07-10-AP-Schecter.htm
new album on 5th December??
:smth023
12/5 is a Wednesday and all new albums are released in the US on Tuesdays, and Europe on Mondays.
and in Italy, on Fridays
Cool... however, the scan also says that they'll be in Boston on 9/25. And we all know what happened there...
So here's hoping.
Yeah, I'm not buying that date. As it was already stated above albums come out on certain days of the week, none of them being the one that was listed. Plus, that date was given alongside the tour dates which have since been pushed back so they could finish the album. I gather Suretone is pushing for a Christmas release, but I just don't see it happening. Hopefully I'm wrong about this.
I don't know if I like Porl's new look...
It depresses me I can't go to that concert...tickets sold out. The one thing I promised myself I'd do...see my favorite band live. :shock:
Anyway, why are Robert and Porl the two faces in the group now and not Simon and Robert like before? Robert and Simon are my favorites!!! Just look at the chemistry in my signature! Are they still bitter about that fight all those years ago? If so, that's too bad.
Quote from: Carnage Visor on September 05, 2007, 21:57:57
It depresses me I can't go to that concert...tickets sold out. The one thing I promised myself I'd do...see my favorite band live. :shock:
Which concert? You can always get tickets from scalpers, ebay, brokers.
Quote from: Carnage Visor on September 05, 2007, 21:57:57
Anyway, why are Robert and Porl the two faces in the group now and not Simon and Robert like before?
simply because that is an ad from Schecter guitars... and Robert and Porl are using Schecter, Simon not!
:smth001
Simon using Schecter ...
actually, I didn't know...
then...
i don't know! :-D
I do not know if it is just for publicity or if Simon uses this bass :roll:
There were studio photos of him using one... I remember because I was wondering what the hell it was. It didn't look like that. It wasn't a semi-hollow, and was dark tobacco-colored, with black guards (there was one in the standard pick-guard location, and one at the top).
It's called the Shecter "Ultra Bass".
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Schecter-Ultra-Bass-?sku=516757
Oops - an entirely different model!
But I did see him with an Ultra. Kinda a T-Bird-looking creature, huh?
the madison square garden site says :" the new album will be out this fall "
this is the second rumor....
let's see what happens
what is the latest [supposedly] update release date for the new album and/or singles?? Does anyone really know? :smth100
Is it still December 5th or is it in the (U.S.) fall? :?
i think is no longer december 5th.
we're too near...
i suppose it'll be out by the time the european tour kicks off...
sometime in february.
Quote from: [labyrinth] on November 03, 2007, 13:08:06
i think is no longer december 5th.
we're too near...
i suppose it'll be out by the time the european tour kicks off...
sometime in february.
!!??? thanks [labyrinth]... So many rumours spread around, dates flung against the wall.. I can wait... :smth100 ??
ISNT IT ABOUT TIME FOR SOME SERIOUS BUZZ ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM COMING OUT?!
Quote from: Janko on January 11, 2008, 23:36:57
ISNT IT ABOUT TIME FOR SOME SERIOUS BUZZ ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM COMING OUT?!
yes it is. and that's exactly what i meant here... :?
http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,4007.msg39165.html#msg39165
heh... look at the new Porl´s myspace profile picture:
http://www.myspace.com/porlthompson
Number 13 ... like 13th studio album The Cure? :lol:
Well, I actually think that It will be released before the 4tour, probably on september... I just don't know!! everybody says a lot of dates: media, people around them, Robert...
Quote from: 4NG13-angie on January 16, 2008, 09:18:00
Well, probably on september...
ARE YOU TRYING TO KILL US?!
:-D
I read on another forum that the new album will be out the 31 MARS !!!
And someone (Gromoko) saw in "LA FNAC montparnasse" the same date on a poster !!!
So does that mean 4/1 for the US?
wich kind of forum tof?
thank you!!!!!!!!!
A french THE CURE forum "a pink dream"
The first man who announce this info is working to VIRGIN Marketing, he said that the album has 33 songs ...
:smth020 Does anyone know if this album will be released only on internet? I read somewhere that it would be released as single C.D., and only double available to download from the internet?
I hope this comes out as a propoer release, in real format...!!! :smth023
Quote from: rodney on January 16, 2008, 23:46:34
So does that mean 4/1 for the US?
Great....April Fools Day. :smth011
Quote from: scatcat on January 17, 2008, 01:08:42
:smth020 Does anyone know if this album will be released only on internet? I read somewhere that it would be released as single C.D., and only double available to download from the internet?
I hope this comes out as a propoer release, in real format...!!! :smth023
If I remember Robert says in an interview in Mexico that this album will be the last on CD format, no !?!
:-D No I'm not trying to kill you, I'm trying to be realistic :?
The tour starts in a couple of weeks. How can September be a possibility?
...COME TO THINK OF IT...
:-D
Read on garbage forum ... The cure 3 JUNE :evil:
http://www.garbagedisco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6813&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
According to the official Enterprise which release the oficial spanish charts every week, these are the international new releases planned for 2008 in Spain. This list has been sent to all the radios and music TV, This is a PROVISIONAL LIST and date of the release can change and new artist will be added, BUT THIS IS WHAT RECORD LABELS PLAN TO RELEASE THIS YEAR which has a lot of shocking names,
All these artist will release a new album in 2008, and the artist which includes Greaetest Hits will release that, not a new one. Here they are the most interesting:
Download version of the list: http://www.zshare.net/download/62492736a030a3
Official website: http://www.promusicae.org
Quote from: Tof on January 23, 2008, 03:35:13
Read on garbage forum ... The cure 3 JUNE :evil:
http://www.garbagedisco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6813&st=0&sk=t&sd=a
According to the official Enterprise which release the oficial spanish charts every week, these are the international new releases planned for 2008 in Spain. This list has been sent to all the radios and music TV, This is a PROVISIONAL LIST and date of the release can change and new artist will be added, BUT THIS IS WHAT RECORD LABELS PLAN TO RELEASE THIS YEAR which has a lot of shocking names,
All these artist will release a new album in 2008, and the artist which includes Greaetest Hits will release that, not a new one. Here they are the most interesting:
Download version of the list: http://www.zshare.net/download/62492736a030a3
Official website: http://www.promusicae.org
Trying to be positive here. Now maybe they won't play as much new material during the tour and focus on older stuff that hasn't been played in ages. Then, after what might end up being g a successful tour, they come back through and play more dates to support the album :-D
well, i suppose the truht is that so many things concerning the new album and the live dates/tour(s) have been going wrong with things getting postponed so many times already... so just as long as they don't cancel the damn tour again, i'm still somewhat pleased. maybe it's sad and certainly not like i wished it to be, but i am starting to feel that i don't give a damn what songs they play, if they'll play any new ones or if they'll just play round&round&round all night long, just as long as they don't freaking cancel thanks very much.
because IF they did cancel again because of this, i'd do something totally horrible. :smth096
(and if i'm trying to be positive here: there's always a possibility that they even want to do the tour before they release the album. some bands have donw that in the past so it wouldn't be completely one-off thing.)
February
Enrique Iglesias â€" Greatest Hits (5th)
Lenny Kravitz (5th)
Sheryl Crow (5th)
Michael Jackson â€" Re-Edition (12th)
Janet Jackson (26th)
Nicole Scherzinger (26th)
March
Ashlee Simpson (4th)
Solange Knowels (4th)
Dido(11th)
Keri Hilson (11th)
Sophie Ellis Bextor â€" Greatest Hits (18th)
Coldplay (25th)
Anastacia (25th)
Missy Elliot (25th)
April
R.E.M. (1st)
Alanis Morissette (1st)
Christina Milian (1st)
Madonna (8th)
Mariah Carey (15th)
T.a.t.u. (22nd)
Usher (29th)
May
Whitney (6th)
Aqua â€" Greatest Hits (6th)
Michelle Williams (6th)
Eminem (20th)
Brandy (20th)
Shirley Manson (27th)
Keane (27th)
June
Melody Thornton (3rd)
Paris Hilton (17th)
Beyoncè (24th)
July
-
August
Oasis (28th)
Lauryn Hill (28th)
September
Jessica Simpson (2nd)
Lindsay Lohan (2nd)
Celine Dion â€" Re-Edition (9th)
Aerosmith (16th)
Ace Of Base (16th)
Alicia Keys - Reedition (16th)
Shania Twain (23rd)
Kylie â€" Reedition (30th)
Black Eyed Peas (30th)
October
Paulina Rubio (7th)
Natalie Imbruglia (7th)
No Doubt (21st)
Kelly Clarkson (28th)
Britney Spears â€" Reedition (28th)
November
Green Day (4th)
Timbaland (4th)
U2 (11th)
Jennifer Lopez â€" Greatest Hits (11th)
Craig David - Greatest Hits (11th)
Cher (18th)
Bon Jovi â€" Greatest Hits (18th)
Madonna â€" Greatest Hits (22nd)
December
The Corrs (2nd)
Ricky Martin (2nd)
Scissor Sisters (2nd)
Amy Winehouse (2nd)
AM I MISSING SOMETHING?!
BY THE WAY, TONES OF CRAP OUTTHERE...
The Cure isn't on the list of the garbage forum anymore?!? I didn't find them under June. Anyway, i hope they will release the album in the first half of the year.
In the end we have to wait till The Cure will official announce the release of the new album.
It would be horrible if they decide in the last minute to postpone the European Tour. But i don't think they will do this. Let's hope not :)
here: http://www.thecure.sk/pict/promusicae.jpg
I wouldn't pay too much attention to this. Coldplay's album is pencilled in for release in May not March (and they've recently said that they may delay it further). I think this is just to give their marketing and sales teams a plan to work by. Nothing is set in stone with most record companies and I think there's a lot of speculation with these dates.
The cure is not on the garbage forum list but download the full list and you can see all the artists ...
http://www.zshare.net/download/62492736a030a3
This obviously isn't a full release schedule though, more titles will be added.
Seems to me that the April date makes more logistical sense, because the band will be on a tour break and will be available for promo stuff instead of in the middle of a US tour. But, as we know, things haven't exactly been making sense lately. ;)
THEY MIGHT PUT IT ON DOWNLOAD IN APRIL AND POSTPOND THE CD'S
:-D
Quote from: Janko on January 24, 2008, 02:42:09
THEY MIGHT PUT IT ON DOWNLOAD IN APRIL AND POSTPOND THE CD'S
:-D
i wouldn't mind just as long it was a lossless download... but if they went and "did the radiohead", i'd be bloody disappointed and mad.
Quote from: japanesebaby on January 24, 2008, 10:43:48
Quote from: Janko on January 24, 2008, 02:42:09
THEY MIGHT PUT IT ON DOWNLOAD IN APRIL AND POSTPOND THE CD'S
:-D
i wouldn't mind just as long it was a lossless download... but if they went and "did the radiohead", i'd be bloody disappointed and mad.
Seconded. :?
I WOULDNT MIND A FREE PREVIEW, BECAUSE I'LL BUY THE CD ('S) EITHER WAY...
AND IF I HAVE TO WAIT UNTILL JUNE-JULY, I'D TAKE IT!
:smth023
Quote from: monghi on January 23, 2008, 21:58:54
here: http://www.thecure.sk/pict/promusicae.jpg
Thank you very much for your help monghi and the link :)
I hope the album will be released earlier, but i won't be sad if it will be out in the summer :)
Is it me or everyone here seems like waiting so much this new l.p. ?
After all what are you expecting to hear?
Another Porno? Kiss Me No. 2?
Or what?
Ouh come on,take a break people.
If you want my opinion i don't care anymore about a new album or a new single,enough.
As far as they can tour around the world & play some excellent live shows that is enough & fair.What if they are gonna release or not?What is the real difference?I think none.
I EXPECT THE NEW ALBUM TO BE LIKE 2004'S THE CURE ONLY WITH DIFFERENT PRODUCTION...
:smth023
Yes ,exactly my thoughts.
Ouh maybe with some more songs in it & of course don't forget : No kbds.
But who really cares?
At least i hope they won't play a lot of new songs at live shows at this European Tour.I prefer the old stuff,something like Mexico's playlists.
I THINK THIS ALBUM IS SO IMPORTANT...
IF THEY MAKE A MESS OF IT (BECAUSE OF A NEW LINE-UP, THE FACT THAT IT'S A DOUBLE ALBUM, NO KEYBOARDS THING...) IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER AND THE CURE WILL FADE AWAY IN NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY WILL TURN INTO "SELF-TRIBUTE BAND" PLAYING THEIR HITS TO SMALLER AND SMALLER AUDIENCE
IF THEY MAKE A RELEVANT ALBUM (IN TUNE WITH BOTH THEIR OWN HERITAGE AND WITH THE CURRENT TRENDS IN MUSIC) THAT WOULD (BESIDE PLEASING BOTH FANS AND CRITICS) GAIN NEW AUDIENCE FOR THE BAND AND HAVE SOME DECENT CHART PERFORMANCE - IT COULD SAVE THE BAND FROM THE EVIDENT STAGNATION
I'D GIVE IT FIFTY-FIFTY BETWEEN THOSE OPTIONS...
My opinion?
No matter if the album will be good or bad,i believe it will be the last one of The Cure's.
Speak of the devil and the devil shows up figurehead! :) ;)
I hope it won't be the last one :)
Quote from: figurehead on January 28, 2008, 13:53:32
My opinion?
No matter if the album will be good or bad,i believe it will be the last one of The Cure's.
I do believe that the band is contractually obliged to release three albums thru their new record label.. so i think we have one more after this one coming....
at least
J
last rumoured release date is March 31 too...
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 29, 2008, 07:09:33
... so i think we have one more after this one coming....
YEAH!
THE VERY BEST OF THE CURE
:-D :-D :-D
hmmm...
that soundz like *'Inspiral Carpets' doesn't it?
My understanding of the contract is that if they choose to release new albums, they're obligated to release them through Geffin (three albums, starting with The Cure) but they're not obligated to deliver that amount. Just release them through Geffin if they choose to record them.
hmmm... that's not what i got from it.. pretty sure i saw an interview with robert saying "we've signed a three album deal thru IAM records".. so from that i expect that we'd get three albums for sure....
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 30, 2008, 02:52:48
hmmm... that's not what i got from it.. pretty sure i saw an interview with robert saying "we've signed a three album deal thru IAM records".. so from that i expect that we'd get three albums for sure....
obviously I don't know the exact words of The Cure's contract, but with many contracts, a livealbum or compilation could count as well (not that uncommon) - so 2 studioalbums + a liverelease would make it 3. on the other hand, if the band doen't feel like fulfilling the option but are under contract to 3 studioalbums it would mean they could not release it on another label.
Quote from: figurehead on January 30, 2008, 02:29:22
hmmm...
that soundz like *'Inspiral Carpets' doesn't it?
YEAH!
:smth023
BY THE WAY, I DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THIS DISCUSSION...
SOUNDS LIKE THE END OF THE CURE IS CERTAIN!
:-D
the end of The Cure is ALWAYS certain.. remember after Disintegration "I'll never tour again!!!' yeah right... seriously though, i reckon that the third Geffen album may be the last or second last one... he can't keep on going... can he???
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 30, 2008, 23:18:20
the end of The Cure is ALWAYS certain.. remember after Disintegration "I'll never tour again!!!' yeah right... seriously though, i reckon that the third Geffen album may be the last or second last one... he can't keep on going... can he???
I've got a feeling here too.. the end may be near..
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 30, 2008, 02:52:48
hmmm... that's not what i got from it.. pretty sure i saw an interview with robert saying "we've signed a three album deal thru IAM records".. so from that i expect that we'd get three albums for sure....
didn't hear this though? Do you remember where you read this Brian?
Quote from: Janko on January 30, 2008, 16:40:36
BY THE WAY, I DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THIS DISCUSSION...
SOUNDS LIKE THE END OF THE CURE IS CERTAIN!
:-D
well, of course it's certain...he cannot go on for ever, and the tours are grinding and exhausting... whilst there may be a celebration of 30 years since their first album ( next year?) I would say that in particular, the touring side of things will peter out... as far as producing more albums? well, I would be treating anything which is released as their last one...music is in Roberts blood, and I cannot see him "retiring" as such, and hopefully, we will be lucky enough to have some more of the Cure magic.. a lot depends on how they all feel after the tours I guess....
Quote from: scatcat on January 31, 2008, 00:32:37
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 30, 2008, 23:18:20
the end of The Cure is ALWAYS certain.. remember after Disintegration "I'll never tour again!!!' yeah right... seriously though, i reckon that the third Geffen album may be the last or second last one... he can't keep on going... can he???
I've got a feeling here too.. the end may be near..
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 30, 2008, 02:52:48
hmmm... that's not what i got from it.. pretty sure i saw an interview with robert saying "we've signed a three album deal thru IAM records".. so from that i expect that we'd get three albums for sure....
didn't hear this though? Do you remember where you read this Brian?
Brian???
anyway, I can't remember sorry. it was ages ago when the 04 album was due for release or even before that. after the greatest hits release when they broke off from Fiction etc...
try the Press sction on the official site or the IAM website, maybe there's something there... or google "three albums geffen, the cure" or "three albums IAM records, the cure"..pretty lame i know but that's the best i can do... or maybe google stuff about fiction records selling or closing down....
Javier [not Brian]...
Anyone heard anything more about "Raised Up" as potential title?
i'm not really sure that this will be the cure's last album title...
It is just so ...pfff.
Anyway.
Yes they have a contract with Geffen Records for (3) three albums.
Well so till now we have 1)The Cure
& the Festival 2005 Dvd which i'm not sure that counts as a record/album,cause it isn't really.
2)the new 'untitled' yet...
Anyway,after the European Dates we will know for sure.
:)
Quote from: nausearockpig on January 31, 2008, 02:31:30
Javier [not Brian]...
Haha.. I should take Janko's advice and NOT DRINK AND POST!!!!sorry javier.. and sorry to crowbie_wan.. :oops:
me a fool... :smth100
I know , I know... Just kick me!!!!
now i'm on the giggles again :smth043
Quote from: Janko on January 28, 2008, 01:28:56
IF THEY MAKE A MESS OF IT (BECAUSE OF A NEW LINE-UP, THE FACT THAT IT'S A DOUBLE ALBUM, NO KEYBOARDS THING...) IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER AND THE CURE WILL FADE AWAY IN NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY WILL TURN INTO "SELF-TRIBUTE BAND"
That has already happened! The last album was the last nail in the coffin that they have been building over the last ten years.
The new album will be their one last chance to return to former grace. If they release something like "The Cure II", they'll be finished!
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 13:58:09
If they release something like "The Cure II", they'll be finished!
at least ross robinson :evil: hasn't been around this time, screwing things up... i hope...
"always look on the bright side of life..."
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 06, 2008, 14:26:30
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 13:58:09
If they release something like "The Cure II", they'll be finished!
at least ross robinson :evil: hasn't been around this time, screwing things up... i hope...
"always look on the bright side of life..."
@marika.. never took u as a Python fan.. :lol:
It is really sad, as a fan, to think of the dismantling of ur favourite band. Especially one that spans almost ( for me) 25 years.. :smth089
I just can't face it until it happens.. it's kinda like Crowded House, ( Aussie Band) and INXS ( different circumstances there)..
I don't wanna think 'nails in the coffin'... GO OUT WITH A BANG.. !! I truly think this is what is holding the process back.. I mean, we have so many years of music, evolution, memories, and great performances ... Whatever the future.. I believe it will be memorable. :smth020
Quote from: Secrets on February 06, 2008, 12:43:00
Anyone heard anything more about "Raised Up" as potential title?
WHERE DID IT COME FROM?
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 13:58:09
Quote from: Janko on January 28, 2008, 01:28:56
IF THEY MAKE A MESS OF IT (BECAUSE OF A NEW LINE-UP, THE FACT THAT IT'S A DOUBLE ALBUM, NO KEYBOARDS THING...) IT WILL BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO RECOVER AND THE CURE WILL FADE AWAY IN NEXT FEW YEARS, THEY WILL TURN INTO "SELF-TRIBUTE BAND"
That has already happened! The last album was the last nail in the coffin that they have been building over the last ten years.
The new album will be their one last chance to return to former grace. If they release something like "The Cure II", they'll be finished!
this makes me cry... i wanna think positive .. at least until there is more 'Official' news.. :smth022
[somewhere there was a post about a potential song title.. i can't remember it now.. but it sounded ABSURD.. I'll get back on this.. ]
here the link to wikipedia( the non-realistic encyclopedia..)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%28Currently_Untitled_13th_Album%29
it has the 13th album down with tracks like...
" Spot marks the X"
"16"
and others that have been played and rumoured..
i just think that 'Spot marks the X ' is a stupid, stupid title.. it must be a joke yeah??
OMG.. I could write a better title for a childrens book ... :smth069
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 13:58:09
If they release something like "The Cure II", they'll be finished!
Not for the truly fans. I will follow them until the end! :rocker
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 15:35:43
Not for the truly fans. I will follow them until the end! :rocker
Same... :rocker
but be careful of the mentioning of 'real' curefans...
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 06, 2008, 14:26:30
at least ross robinson :evil: hasn't been around this time, screwing things up...
A producer can't turn shit into gold, so don't hold your breath! The reason for the last album being a huge disappointment wasn't the production alone. It was because of lazy and uninspired songwriting!
THE CURE ~FOREVER~
Quote from: figurehead on February 06, 2008, 16:43:26
THE CURE ~FOREVER~
my heart my soul.. my every breathe..
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 16:27:04
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 06, 2008, 14:26:30
at least ross robinson :evil: hasn't been around this time, screwing things up...
A producer can't turn shit into gold, so don't hold your breath! The reason for the last album being a huge disappointment wasn't the production alone. It was because of lazy and uninspired songwriting!
@Oso Blanco... I can't beleieve this.. :!:
judge for your self when the new album does come out for release..
IMHO... The Cure have given almost 30 years if music, songs and concerts.. Not many bands last that long... without releasing of the 'Best Of' album.
If they want to give it a final spin.. well, it is well deserved.
I have feelings, about the 'longevity' of The Cure, But I still cannot believe that either Robert Smith, or Simon, are ready to hang up their guitars and writing of music yet.
The 'coffin' thingy just made me react... discussions about whether they still have it in them , etc..
hope. :smth059
Quote from: scatcat on February 06, 2008, 17:21:49
@Oso Blanco... I can't beleieve this.. :!:
Well, Oso Blanco is
not a Cure fan (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts), so I certanly can believe this :)
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 17:23:53
Quote from: scatcat on February 06, 2008, 17:21:49
@Oso Blanco... I can't believe this.. :!:
Well, Oso Blanco is not a Cure fan (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts), so I certainly can believe this :)
I am the fool .... me siento ansiosa!!! :smth063
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 17:23:53
Quote from: scatcat on February 06, 2008, 17:21:49
@Oso Blanco... I can't beleieve this.. :!:
Well, Oso Blanco is not a Cure fan (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts), so I certanly can believe this :)
Because he's being critical?
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 16:27:04
A producer can't turn shit into gold, so don't hold your breath! The reason for the last album being a huge disappointment wasn't the production alone. It was because of lazy and uninspired songwriting!
i disagree.... a good producer CAN TURN sh*t into Gold... ( we'll leave this for another thread.. :twisted:)
iF YOU DON'T LIKE... don't listen.. :smth023
Quote from: Joe on February 06, 2008, 17:47:21
Because he's being critical?
I have been following Oso Blanco's messages and it reminds me very much to Cult_Hero (former Curefans.com member).
I mean, I don't see much sense talking bad all the time about a band in a forum of fans of this band. Just the fact to compare The Cure with Morrissey and say that Morrissey is best live act than The Cure (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,4009.msg30698.html#msg30698) (??) is nuts. Of course, is an opinion, and everyone is feel to express their point of view. But from there to critizase all the time (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts) the band?. That's not what a fan does. Sorry, I just don't see the point. Maybe people who want to complain
all the time about The Cure should post here instead: Reasons Why All Should Hate The Cure (http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413)
:D
Quote from: scatcat on February 06, 2008, 17:52:18
i disagree.... a good producer CAN TURN sh*t into Gold...
I suggested some years ago in another forum that the best producer for band such as The Cure would be defintely Mr. Brian Eno (best producer ever?). I still can't get how a producer of bands like Korn can produce a band like The Cure, which is something totally different.
Quote from: Joe on February 06, 2008, 17:47:21
Because he's being critical?
"CRITICAL'?.... hmmm..
criticism is encouraged, opinions are encouraged, and people's input is certainly a contribution to this site.
:D
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 17:52:53
Quote from: Joe on February 06, 2008, 17:47:21
Because he's being critical?
I have been following Oso Blanco's messages and it reminds me very much to Cult_Hero (former Curefans.com member).
I mean, I don't see much sense talking bad all the time about a band in a forum of fans of this band. Just the fact to compare The Cure with Morrissey and say that Morrissey is best live act than The Cure (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,4009.msg30698.html#msg30698) (??) is nuts. Of course, is an opinion, and everyone is feel to express their point of view. But from there to critizase all the time (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts) the band?. That's not what a fan does. Sorry, I just don't see the point. Maybe people who want to complain all the time about The Cure should post here instead: Reasons Why All Should Hate The Cure (http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413)
:D
Good points dsanchez, and I had no idea such a site like that existed :shock:
Scatcat, yes, that's what I meant, criticism.
As someone who's produced music - A good producer CANNOT turn shit into gold. What a good producer can (and should) do is help motivate the songwriters write good parts, help them create the sounds/layers they're aiming for and provide a practical ear to the songs. But when it comes down to it, if the core of the song sucks then everything else is just window dressing. A bad song buried in lots of layers of music is still a bad song...
That being said, "The Cure" (the album) is seriously not as bad as you all are making it out to be. There are some real gems on that album - like Lost, Labyrinth, alt.end, Taking Off, The Promise, Anniversary and (to a degree) Before Three. Even the "lesser" songs on the album (ie End of the World) have some degree of melodicism to them that make them digestable.
I honestly can't sit around and blame Ross for anything that happened in 2004. He certainly played a factor - but we all know that Robert calls the shots, no matter what he says. That's always been the case. And you can't tell me that "The Cure" is any worse than "The Top" - which, for all intents and purposes, is an absolute train-wreck of an album. That doesn't mean it's bad -but those songs, with the exception of Shake Dog Shake, Birdmad Girl and Piggy in the Mirror just don't hold up anymore.
I am as excited about this new release as I've ever been. I really think it'll be strong and, at the end of the day, The Cure are only making records for themselves anyway. I'm sure Robert and Porl and Simon and Jason are not concerned with winning new fans.
There will always be Cure-fans. Let's stop pointing out the negative and enjoy what time we have left with the band.
To all those who criticised my criticism:
I used to be a big fan of The Cure, maybe bigger than you'll ever be. But the songwriting has become inacceptable over the past ten years, and their live shows have never been worse. The Cure are just a shadow of their former selves.
I REALLY hope they will recover from their current low, but it seems highly unlikely that they ever will.
To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"? I guess most of us became fans much earlier, and only hang on to the band for nostalgic reasons.
And yes, I enjoyed the Morrissey show more than any Cure show that I've seen over the past 15 years!
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 19:49:52
To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"?
Well i can answer this because I'm only 18, so yes i became a fan after Bloodflowers came out. And i had never heard such beautiful music before. Robert Smith is one of the best songwriters ever and you obviously just want another Disintergration or perhaps your youth back?
I agree with the fans who are with the band to the end. I may be young and not have been a fan as long as most of you here but i truly believe that the new album will be worth waiting for and they still have it in them to make another brilliant album.
By the way, i am very narrow minded on this subject and have faith in the band and will love them forever no matter what...
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 19:49:52
To all those who criticised my criticism:
I used to be a big fan of The Cure, maybe bigger than you'll ever be. But the songwriting has become inacceptable over the past ten years, and their live shows have never been worse. The Cure are just a shadow of their former selves.
I REALLY hope they will recover from their current low, but it seems highly unlikely that they ever will.
To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"? I guess most of us became fans much earlier, and only hang on to the band for nostalgic reasons.
And yes, I enjoyed the Morrissey show more than any Cure show that I've seen over the past 15 years!
So this means you aren't a Cure Fan anymore ? If you decided so, maybe it's the best you could do for you :)
I'm a Cure Fan for a very long time and i still think it's the most interesting band i know. And i'm really looking forward to the album and the tour.
I know that you are moan most of the time.
I'm not upset and surprised at all. In the end it's your own decision which band/singer do you like best. And i have to say you sound a little bit bitter.
That's sad. If you like Morrissey better so that is okay.
The Cure have changed so many times in there long carrer, and that is in my opinion very good, because a band who doesn't change is for me in some ways boring.
Hope you didn't understand me wrong, i meant it in a good way, okay :)
cheers
silversand
Quote from: Hero on February 06, 2008, 20:05:33
I'm only 18
Maybe that's the problem! I was a fan long before you were even born! I LIVED in those days, when The Cure was one of the greatest bands on this planet. You should have been there! Maybe then you would realise that the last ten years were the worst in The Cure's existance.
As I said before, I really want the new album to be good. But I have little hope.
Well, it's not like Morrissey is exactly making the best music of his career either....
Quote from: silversand on February 06, 2008, 20:42:31
The Cure have changed so many times in there long carrer, and that is in my opinion very good, because a band who doesn't change is for me in some ways boring.
That's exactly the problem! They haven't changed in about ten years! This is the most boring Cure period ever! Back in the old days, they had a new album out every year, and every single one of them sounded different. But they still had that Cure style. They were original, inspired, innovative. But what have they done for the past ten years? The same old shit in slightly different variations. I remember the times when Robert used to hate bands like that ... and now he is one of them!
Quote from: rodney on February 06, 2008, 21:30:25
Well, it's not like Morrissey is exactly making the best music of his career either....
But not his worst, either. I actually like his last two albums a lot more than I did the two that came before! And he still does absolutely brilliant live shows. Compared to Morrissey and his band, The Cure seem like a bunch of dead people on stage.
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 21:37:32
Compared to Morrissey and his band, The Cure seem like a bunch of dead people on stage.
Oso Blanco, do you feel comfortable in this place?. I mean, Curefans.com is for people who
love The Cure. I would suggest you now a couple of sites that perhaps make you happier?
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/
http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413
:D
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 21:39:56
Oso Blanco, do you feel comfortable in this place?. I mean, Curefans.com is for people who love The Cure. I would suggest you now a couple of sites that perhaps make you happier?
http://forums.morrissey-solo.com/
http://www.ubersite.com/m/12413
Thanks, I'm already posting at the solo site. But the other one was news to me:
Quote
HOW TO WRITE A CURE SONG
1) Buy a 12-string guitar. Record yourself playing open fifths in various keys for 25 minutes. This is the foundation of your song.
2) Call up the bloke who married your sister. Get him to come over to your studio and put a bass guitar in his hands. Splice together any notes he manages to play and put a lot of echo on them. (Notes completely unrelated to the fifths your recorded earlier are a plus.) This is your bassline.
3) Stalk a Royal Academy-trained pianist. Secretly record his private jam sessions. These will become your keyboard lines as well as the basis for your melodies (more on this later).
4) Record the noises made by your roadie as he tunes your guitars on tour. This is your guitar solo.
5) Hire a young drummer looking for a break, then drown him out with a drum machine.
6) Decide the mood for your song: if it's "happy", double the speed; if it's "sad", halve the speed.
7) Write your lyrics. They must contain at least five of the following words: "cat", "knees", "again", "love", "grey", "spinning", "trust", "die", "hate", "miserable", "happy", "scream", "cold", "I", "me", "face", "fall", "fear", "walk", "kiss", "catch". Imaginary words are a bonus.
8) Shriek your lyrics in the highest, most tenuous portion of your vocal range. If you happen to land on a note that is in the chord, go up a whole step. Shrillness is a must. Make sure that the song ends abruptly on a chord only tangentially related to the chord it started on.
9) Take the most-repeated phrase in your song and make that the song title. For example, if your lyrics say, "Drown me in your eyes/With a kiss and a smile/Catch me in the sky/With a cloud of love/With a cloud of love/With a cloud of love", your song would be called "With A Cloud Of Love". Alternately, you could call the song "Treasure" and hope that no one notices.
10) Slap a closeup of your pasty, bloated face on the cover and watch the aging angst-mongers moan on and on about how you've repeated yourself so many times that they can only bring themselves to buy four copies of the latest release.
Don't worry if all of your songs start to sound the same; your hardcore fans will hate anything that sounds different and your casual fans won't exist.
That's absolutely hilarious! And so true! Exactly how I feel about the past decade of The Cure! Thank you!
Quote from: dsanchez on February 06, 2008, 17:23:53
Quote from: scatcat on February 06, 2008, 17:21:49
@Oso Blanco... I can't beleieve this.. :!:
Well, Oso Blanco is not a Cure fan (http://curefans.com/index.php?action=profile;u=458;sa=showPosts), so I certanly can believe this :)
Don't be too hard on Oso Blanco... It does seem kind of strange to see someone posting so many negative comments about The Cure on this forum, and sometimes my first reaction is wtf? But you know, he reminds me very much of a bitter ex after a divorce... And I think he must have loved the earlier Cure very, very much to be so immensely disappointed and caustic about their last albums... Just an impression.
But Oso Blanco -- I think people don't just object to your opinion, I think it's the hostile tone that inflames many members... Maybe?
I actually think the last album was better than the two that preceded it, and when listening to live shows, I certainly prefer those of the last 15 years to those that were before it.
I can't wait for the new album, just wish they would set a date:)
I'm just shocked that somebody could think that the Trilogy shows were bad.......
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 21:26:39
Quote from: Hero on February 06, 2008, 20:05:33
I'm only 18
Maybe that's the problem! I was a fan long before you were even born! I LIVED in those days, when The Cure was one of the greatest bands on this planet. You should have been there! Maybe then you would realise that the last ten years were the worst in The Cure's existance.
oso, i think everyone gets your point. and by the way at least i'm not even disagreeing with you in some respect: if i could have a time machine and go back to '89 then hey sure i would choose to re-live those moments instead of living today! the cure is past they hey-day by now, very well so. and there's little hope that they'll ever become something like they were in the 80s - of course they won't! but...
but honestly, you seriously can't say things like it's someone's "
problem" if she is wasn't able to attend the cure shows in the 80s because she wasn't even born! so come on... :roll:
we live in this moment and we see things differently according to on which decade/year we were born - that's only natural. i think that's something that enables the diversity of opinions, and thus it's more like a strenght than a weakness. i think one of he whole points in places like this is that there are people from different ages and different backgrounds - it would be truly sad if we were all some old buggers just recalling the good old times and there was no younger members bringing "fresh blood" among us.
what you seem to be saying there is that for anyone really being a "real" cure fan, he/she had to be able to attend some early 80s concerts, thus anyone can't be a "true" cure fan today if he/she's not at least 35-40.
another example: i know this guy who's a HUGE elvis fan. i mean he really really is: elvis means everything to him, it's a way of life. but well, i suppose he's all wrong and he really can't be a "true" elvis fan - because actually he was only 4 years old when elvis died. surely he never saw elvis live - surely he cant really "understand" what elvis is about?
so how sad that he's being so massively fooled into believing that elvis really means a lot to him... i guess somebody should tell him the truth?
so of course someone who's 18 can see things differently, has different perspective - but that's not her "problem".
we can't judge other people according to their age here. that's age racism.
i really do think everyone's entitled to an opinion and everyone's entitled to say it here, both positive and negative. nothing wrong in that. and if you don't like the cure anymore and want to say it, then that's fine. there's nothing globally tragic in it all - things change. and noone else should feel insulted or hurt or anything.
i just don't get what you are trying to achieve when you want to make it look like "since i (oso) don't like the cure anymore, you others shouldn't like it either - because if you others do like it, you are simply wrong and you need to GET IT that the cure is crap today!"? what are you aiming at? because it doesn't bother me that you don't like the cure anymore, some other people posted similar comments in this thread (for instance silversand). but instead, you seem to get very strung up everytime someone says something positive about the band - don't get me wrong: there's nothing wrong if you disagree with someone who posts something positive and there's nothing wrong if you post criticism. but posting constructive criticism is different than posting "i don't like the cure so you should not like the cure either!" kind of posts.
please do post criticism (because that makes this board alive!), but let's try to keep it on a constructive side.
maybe you have some things to say but i think it always gets somehow entangled into your anger towards the people who disagree with you. and instead of discussion we always get into this "is it ok to like the cure? yes/no/yes/no/yes....etc" or "who's right and who's wrong here?" kind of mess - and at some point morrissey gets mentioned sooner or later for sure.:roll:
but how about trying to keep us away from that.
how about we try not to discuss the opinions themselves but the ideas behind the opinions?
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 16:27:04
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 06, 2008, 14:26:30
at least ross robinson :evil: hasn't been around this time, screwing things up...
A producer can't turn shit into gold, so don't hold your breath! The reason for the last album being a huge disappointment wasn't the production alone. It was because of lazy and uninspired songwriting!
about producing/production: splitmilk made some good points above. :!:
production means a lot more than just "how the record sounds like" (which is what at least i read you seemed to refer to). production is about a lot of various sort of background work/effort, it's about motivating the badn, the artist, the songwriting (like splitmilk said!), it's about supporting the whole artistic process in various different ways from the early stages of the process to the finished "product", about having strong input on what musical ideas get picked up and processed and worked into songs and what gets on the album. etc etc etc.
as a musician myself (although i've focused on a slightly different field of music) i'm somewhat familiar with that, and i think every musician is/should be.
and about ' "a producer can't turn shit into gold" - sometimes they can.
and especially considering 'the cure' album, it's the other way round: a producer CAN turn gold into shit. a bad/badly chosen producer can totally ruin an album since has a great input on the whole process of making a recording, starting from the very early stages of the artistic process onwards. a badly chosen producer can make the whole process take a completely wrong direction, completely wrong turn. and if this wrong turn really happens in the early stages of the process (as i think happened with 'the cure'), then the whole thing is pretty much doomed and can end up being something more or less completely alien, something that doesn't even fit/suit on the artist in question anymore. that's how the cure ended up making an album that is maybe not even a cure album... it's someone else's album, not theirs.
so robinson surely had a lot to do with how 'the cure' became the way it became. he didn't just sit there in the studio and picked
instead, he IS very much responsible for the "unispired songwriting" that you (rightfully) did mention.
had the cure gone into studio with... let's say the abovementioned brian eno, and i bet we would have had a totally utterly completely different album in our hands...
As for the production of the next album, I'm pretty aprehensive about it. I have a feeling this will be the best album in some time, but it's going to be instantly destroyed due to the current trends in music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
Every album since Wild Mood Swings has suffered from this badly, so I really hope that the new album is released on vinyl. I'll be more than happy to spend the extra money and go to the trouble of transferring it. Fortunately, vinyl will never suffer from this problem, as the needle will jump off the turntable when the volume is pushed beyond a certain limit. But I'm really not sure how much longer vinyl will be around.
It's really sad that you just can't buy a decent sounding new CD these days. And they say the world is high tech now? Hmmm... I'm not so sure.
I'm pretty sure that given The Cure's track record they'll make this album and any other releases available on the old black disk... Let's hope that they continue to make products out there for us to collect [and to fill their coffers...]
I've just been reading this thread & chuckling at the acidic remarks from Oso Blanco
Sometimes I really feel the same way. Let down & let down again by a band I love (& still do).
I look at it like a relative or friend passing away. You still hold a modicum of respect for them don't you?
I mean just cos they died, dosn't mean they are a complete sh!tbag nowadays?
Oso. There are still enough fans to sell out large venues & I guess many of them herald from the better times, when a Cure record was innovative & unique.
I am willing to bet that you are looking forward to hear the new LP, if only to slag it off. But you're still going to listen to it.
Now, if they have been "off the boil" for the past 15 years, why would you want to listen to the new LP at all?
For myself, I absolutely hated WMS. Bloodflowers had some much more "Cure-y" sounds on it & the last LP was really going in the right direction. Listen to Anniversary for example & tell me it doesn't hold some of the older textures the band used to bring to the party.
I have been a fan for over 26 years & I still listen to at least 1 Cure song every day (even the crap ones to make sure).
If you really are fed up with them, then I think you have made your point.
Some, however are prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
to the discusiion about OsoBlanco.
he has been a very big fan of the cure, that is why he react this way.
and he is very hard in his arguments, but i can follow it in some ways.
that cure is one of the most important things in the world for me, and is a big part of my life since 1986. without the music of the cure i don´t know how my life had changed.
but the cure has changed a lot, robert has changed, he is getting older, as we all do.
the cure had been innovative in the 80´ies. every album sounded different, every single was dieffernt, and they changed their style before it was hip.
for me their going down started with wish. wish is for me personally a washed-production. a stadionrockband album. the songs are live 1000times better than on this record. the mixing is horrible for me, but they had good songs (fteotdgs,wendy time, big hand,cut,.) .
on wms they had some great songs like the 13th. and for me i think that is what the cure was. they made things nobody expected and disagreed every marketing profi. releasing the 13th as a single was perfect for me.
but to what have the cure changed? they are not so innovative anymore. they are older. younger bands, who had been inspired by the cure are more innovative than them. maybe the next album prove me that i am wrong, but i don´t think so.
but every new cure album, every new song and output from the band is positive for me, because the cure have a big place in my heart, that no other band can´t take.
and i am no fan of backing tapes, but the dream tour was the best tour for me personally. i loved this time. 2004 there was no real tour, have only seen them on southside and sadly realized there, the cure is a band for the 25+, they had the less young fans on this fesival. but the problems in theband were there. i think a producer can´t turn shit into gold, but he can put gold into shit. and taking ross as a producer started the problems with perry and rodger.
so, i hope the new album is getting out soon, and we get all the news we want to hear.
Quote from: drowning on February 07, 2008, 12:40:35
for me their going down started with wish. wish is for me personally a washed-production. a stadionrockband album. the songs are live 1000times better than on this record. the mixing is horrible for me, but they had good songs (fteotdgs,wendy time, big hand,cut,.) .
actually i agree with this, in certain ways. in some ways, they were already on the brink of being "potentially doomed" after 'disintegration' - at least to me they very clearly reached some sort of axis/crucial point in their career there, with that album (which is not the same as saying that 'disintegration is their greatest album', by the way - i'm talking about their artistic development and not about ranking their albums). so after 'disintegration', what next? everyone(?) knew it was going to be very hard for them to top that. so the way i see it, whatever their next album was going to be, it was actually bound to be a disappointed, in some respect.
then again, with 'wish' they could have fared a lot worse too, of course.
but had they stopped after 'wish', i think they would surely be counted among the truly legendary "past" groups ever today.
and do i really wish they had stopped? part of me says yes, part of me says no... but well, luckily it wasn't/isn't my call. ;)
but i do hope they have the strenght/power to surprise us once more, as they did in the past.
It's the fanbase that keeps the band alive and releasing records. You could live a double life hating
and loving the band at the same time, sometimes i do that too. I do sometimes compare in oso blanco
way that "that artist is so much more interesting than the cure at the moment" but it doesn't have
anything to do with being a cure fan. So i don't think in terms of fanhood that they "should have stopped after
disintegration/wish", the bad records from artists that i like are also interesting to me. About
"bad liveshows" i can't say anything, have never seem them live, have nothing to compare them
against and have been a curefan only since the 2000's.
I think almost anyliveshow would have been and would still be interesting to see. I don't think
the band intentionally try to alienate their fans by releasing bad records.
HERE'S MY FEW RANDOM THOUGHTS:
2004 ALBUM WAS NOT A COMPLETE MESS (THERE ARE 2-3 LOUSY SONGS, BUT OVER ALL ITS A DECENT SET OF SONGS)
ROSS WAS A BAD CHOICE (IT WAS A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE TERM - BLUNDER)
CRITISIZING THE BAND IS OK, IF YOU LOVE THE BAND UNCONDITIONALLY -ITS RATHER SHALLOW LOVE
THE POINT WHEN YOU LOVE THE CURE FOR THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE, INSTEAD FOR THE THINGS THEY'RE YET TO DO - IS THE PRETTY GOOD SIGNAL TO FIND ANOTHER BAND TO LOVE...
IF THE BAND DISBANDED AFTER PORNOGRAPHY, THEY'D BE AS BIG AS JOY DIVISION, BUT WHO CARES FOR THE CULT STATUS IF THE BAND IS DEAD?!
THE BAND SHOULD GO ON IN ARTISTIC DIRECTION AND COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE OPINION OF THE FANBASE (ONE NEW FAN IS FAR BETTER THAN TEN OLD ONES...). TRUE FANBASE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!
I DONT THINK BRIAN ENO CARES MUCH ABOUT THE CURE, HE'D DO IT FOR MONEY BUT THATS AN DIFFERENT ISSUE...
:smth023
Quote from: Janko on February 07, 2008, 15:36:25
HERE'S MY FEW RANDOM THOUGHTS:
2004 ALBUM WAS NOT A COMPLETE MESS (THERE ARE 2-3 LOUSY SONGS, BUT OVER ALL ITS A DECENT SET OF SONGS)
ROSS WAS A BAD CHOICE (IT WAS A FINE EXAMPLE OF THE TERM - BLUNDER)
CRITISIZING THE BAND IS OK, IF YOU LOVE THE BAND UNCONDITIONALLY -ITS RATHER SHALLOW LOVE
THE POINT WHEN YOU LOVE THE CURE FOR THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE, INSTEAD FOR THE THINGS THEY'RE YET TO DO - IS THE PRETTY GOOD SIGNAL TO FIND ANOTHER BAND TO LOVE...
always very interseted in what u have to say Janko.. :smth023
I agree that the 2004 album was not a complete failure.. there are quite a few songs that I love, especially since hearing them live..
As to critisizing the band.. ok, and to love a band UNCONDITIONALLY.. well.. that is obsession ( which can be blind, just like LOVE)
I love the band for what they have done, and not what they are YET to do.. no-one can see the future.. ( i have already expressed what I feel about the 3 new songs played sofar..)
Quote from: Janko on February 07, 2008, 15:36:25
THE BAND SHOULD GO ON IN ARTISTIC DIRECTION AND COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE OPINION OF THE FANBASE (ONE NEW FAN IS FAR BETTER THAN TEN OLD ONES...). TRUE FANBASE WILL ALWAYS BE THERE!
Fans ( like myself) are truly wanting the band to head in a new direction.. they have progressed in so many ways over these last *ahem* 25+ years.. I mean.. who does want to hear another disintegration, of pornography, or wish, etc... they might as well stop now. :smth023
p.s... if I was to give up ... i would have after WMS !! :-D
BUT THEY are performimg such great concerts.. at least what we witnessed here in OZ.. They just leave u wanting more. I do hope that the 13th album WILL have Robert's artistic influence.. and then we can judge for ourselves, or at least.. he will be able to decide the future from there.. :D
Quote from: Janko on February 07, 2008, 15:36:25
I DONT THINK BRIAN ENO CARES MUCH ABOUT THE CURE, HE'D DO IT FOR MONEY BUT THATS AN DIFFERENT ISSUE...
Brian eno produced U2 because he wasn't a U2 fan and the band didn't want anyone who is a fan to
produce their albums. Perhaps this would work with cure, someone who is not a fan producing..
And no dividing line where the bands artistic vision ends and where the producer's input begins, all going seamlessly together.
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 06, 2008, 19:49:52
To everyone who wants to follow The Cure till the bitter end: Just ask yourself if you would have ever become a Cure fan if you hadn't ever heard anything pre Bloodflowers. Would you have become a fan if you only had known "Bloodflowers" and "The Cure"? I guess most of us became fans much earlier, and only hang on to the band for nostalgic reasons.
I am only 13.. my first ever concert was last year . The Cure.. I have seen a few other bands live, and nothing will ever take away the memory of what I saw at the melbourne gig.!! :rocker
Although I was introduced to The Cure earlier... ( thanks to my mum) and had my favourites from 'the pre-2000 Cure era'... I will never forget the awesome band that i saw!! I started to learn guitar right after this concert!!
Although I DO love the early stuff, I have to say that Blooodflowers is one of my fav's.. also 2004-The Cure.. :!:
I think they are possibly one of the best bands in the world. :smth062
@CureCrusader
At last. Someone that likes The Cure lp. :smth023
& you are fully right. Live, the Cure are worth every penny.
How many other bands can claim to play for 3 hours these days?
I have never been disappointed when I've seen them, even if WMS was a big pile of pooh.
The WMS songs they played at Melbourne were realy good (& that hurts me to admit a WMS song sounded good)
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 07, 2008, 12:57:24
everyone(?) knew it was going to be very hard for them to top that. so the way i see it, whatever their next album was going to be, it was actually bound to be a disappointed, in some respect.
then again, with 'wish' they could have fared a lot worse too, of course.
but had they stopped after 'wish', i think they would surely be counted among the truly legendary "past" groups ever today.
and do i really wish they had stopped? part of me says yes, part of me says no... but well, luckily it wasn't/isn't my call. ;)
but i do hope they have the strenght/power to surprise us once more, as they did in the past.
but after kmx3 everyone thought how could they top it ?
every cure album sold more than trhe album before at this time. (wish was the last record ) i like the songs, but i hate the mixing of wish.
i don´t think that they will surprise me so much. they are older now, not 20. have other ponts of view, other problems. not that teenage "nobody loves me" gloomy style anymore.
but i love to hear new cure songs. and a 5% cure song is much better than stuff on the radio. i am a cure fan, and will be a cure fan forever.
robert can do what he wants. he will always be an icon for me.
I completely agree with wanting the band to go "in another direction." I firmly believe, as I've said before, that they have a great opportunity to go completely against the grain and create something unexpected.
As for the production on recent albums - it really bums me out to hear how LOUD every CD is. It just kills any dynamics the song initially had. Quiet bits are supposed to be quiet, and loud bits should be loud. But now, all we have is one flat wave of sound. It's disheartening for those few of us who truly enjoy listening, intently, to music.
That being said - I've always enjoyed the production on Cure albums (except WMS and The Cure). I believe Disintegration, KMKMKM and, yes, Wish have some amazing sounds, mixing and production. This is why I have a love/hate relationship with the remasters. There are somethings in the mix which I never heard on the original pressings, but it also seems that Rhino got a little carried away with sound compression. I hope, with all my heart, that this doesn't happen on the new record. Bands like Wilco have been using production to their favor for sometime, and are proof that your record can still sound alive, and not just flat.
My fingers are crossed...
Oh, and to Oso Blanco - I truly, deeply apologize for not being a 40+ year old cynic for whom the Cure is sliding out of favor. Good for you for "being there" during the good times and congratulations for giving up after you had your fill. I am very sorry I (and other Curefans) were not born a little earlier in the world to have shared the moments when the band meant something. Silly us, for liking them now.
If you don't like them - terrific. But shut your mouth about it. Do you honestly have nothing better to do than spread your slanderous filth on how Smith & Co are washed up while you blow Morrissey. f*ck that. Piss off.
I DONT LIKE THE DIRECTION OF THIS DISCUSSION...
:-D
Quote from: splitmilk34 on February 07, 2008, 20:15:21Oh, and to Oso Blanco - I truly, deeply apologize for not being a 40+ year old cynic for whom the Cure is sliding out of favor. Good for you for "being there" during the good times and congratulations for giving up after you had your fill. I am very sorry I (and other Curefans) were not born a little earlier in the world to have shared the moments when the band meant something. Silly us, for liking them now.
If you don't like them - terrific. But shut your mouth about it. Do you honestly have nothing better to do than spread your slanderous filth on how Smith & Co are washed up while you blow Morrissey. f*ck that. Piss off.
LOL Spiltmilk, you're clearly not a "true fan".... LOL... I'm pretty sure that in the past somewhere I've ranted and raved on against the notion of these "true fans"... I'm with you, if you [not you SM] don't like some aspect of what the band's doing, then fine comment and critisize, but if you now "hate them" or think that all their work is shit, then why bother to post here? I could go to a Metallica site and post how much I hate their music, but to what end?
PS, can't wait for the new album - just pissed off that they toured here without a)releasing the record first and / or b) playing any new songs in Brisbane...
J
Quote from: nausearockpig on February 07, 2008, 22:45:32
could go to a Metallica site and post how much I hate their music ...
COME TO THINK OF IT...
:-D
I apologize for getting a little crazy... that kind of stuff doesn't belong on this board and does no one any good.
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 07, 2008, 09:41:30
but honestly, you seriously can't say things like it's someone's "problem" if she is wasn't able to attend the cure shows in the 80s because she wasn't even born! so come on... :roll:
You got me completely wrong! What I was trying to say is that someone who has been a fan since the mid eighties has a completely different view on The Cure than someone who became a fan with Bloodflowers or the last album. I just think that some 18 year old fan can accept the current band much easier. Maybe only someone who was with them in their good times can see how bad they are now.
Quote from: splitmilk34 on February 07, 2008, 20:15:21
Oh, and to Oso Blanco - I truly, deeply apologize for not being a 40+ year old cynic for whom the Cure is sliding out of favor.
I'm not THAT old!
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 08, 2008, 07:29:08
Maybe only someone who was with them in their good times can see how bad they are now.
I think this topic was discussed before (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,3238.0.html).
Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).
Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.
Quote from: splitmilk34 on February 07, 2008, 23:43:45
I apologize for getting a little crazy... that kind of stuff doesn't belong on this board and does no one any good.
No, you go ahead & "vent"
Made me smile. :-D
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 08, 2008, 07:29:08
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 07, 2008, 09:41:30
but honestly, you seriously can't say things like it's someone's "problem" if she is wasn't able to attend the cure shows in the 80s because she wasn't even born! so come on... :roll:
You got me completely wrong! What I was trying to say is that someone who has been a fan since the mid eighties has a completely different view on The Cure than someone who became a fan with Bloodflowers or the last album. I just think that some 18 year old fan can accept the current band much easier. Maybe only someone who was with them in their good times can see how bad they are now.
Quote from: splitmilk34 on February 07, 2008, 20:15:21
Oh, and to Oso Blanco - I truly, deeply apologize for not being a 40+ year old cynic for whom the Cure is sliding out of favor.
I'm not THAT old!
but that was my whole point: if you and i found the cure in the 80s and that's the golden time for us, so be it. but if someone who wasn't even born at that time only found the band after 'bloodflowers' or the 'the cure' (and maybe only saw them live first time on this tour, if at all) and if he/she now thinks THIS is the most precious cure era for him/her, then so be it too.
the cure seems to be a band who's music somehow gets "woven" into their fans' lives, it often has quite a lot of personal meaning to their fans. thus the era when you yourself found the band often means a lot to you. and even if you later found that some earlier stages of the band were also really interesting (and maybe even better than the era which you first picked up!), the starting point often preserves its magic. so can we judge people for being attached to this or that era and say they are "wrong" when they think so?
of course we can say "IF you had been born earlier and If you had LIVED through those times in the 80s..." - we can say all that... but so what? because no matter how much ifs we throw into the wind, we all live here and now. period. if you weren't born back then then you weren't born back then and that's it. all these ifs are useless to me, both in this matter and in life in general. if is the emptiest word of them all. we all see the world the way we see it and nobody's more right and more wrong that the other because noone else can "see the world for us", so to speak. so i don't doubt that your truth is truly your truth - but it's maybe not my truth. or someone else's truth. there are as many truths as there are people in this world. and imo, ifs don't change that
so yes, people have different perspectives according to when they hopped in, when they were born etc. but i'd ask you, what is wrong with that? at least i can't see anything wrong with it. i don't mind some people prefering different eras than i do. it doesn't affect me or what i think of the band and what i prefer myself.
if we all agreed that the 80s were THE true cure period and they are more or less crap today and so on - what kind of board would we have here? we'd be a bunch of if not 40+ then at least 30+ old buggers competing in complaining about how bad the times are now. at least i'd much rather have a board that has a variety of different opinions and people attached to different cure eras.
ps. although i disagree with some of what you've said and i disagree with your aggressive tone, i have to give you some real credit for bringing some life to this board: for once people are discussing the music and not something like "what did i eat for breakfast today" etc. :-P so even if we disagree on some matters, igniting people a bit here is good and it's something i do agree with...
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 08, 2008, 08:05:36
so yes, people have different perspectives according to when they hopped in, when they were born etc. but i'd ask you, what is wrong with that?
Nothing. I didn't say there was something wrong with that. I just stated the fact that it does change your perspective.
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 08, 2008, 08:05:36
i disagree with your aggressive tone
I'm not aggressive, I just don't see the point in sweet talking around the obvious.
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 08, 2008, 08:05:36
i have to give you some real credit for bringing some life to this board
Thank you. Suddenly this place doesn't seem to be that boring after all ... :smth023
Quote from: drowning on February 07, 2008, 12:40:35
on wms they had some great songs like the 13th. and for me i think that is what the cure was. they made things nobody expected and disagreed every marketing profi. releasing the 13th as a single was perfect for me.
I feel exactly the same. "The 13th" was a prime example of Cure-ish innovation. A quality that they lost after "Wrong Number".
By the way, nice to see you! I hope you are well!?
Thank you. Suddenly this place doesn't seem to be that boring after all ... :smth023
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I never thought of this place as being boring.
Quote from: Steve on February 08, 2008, 08:04:03
Quote from: splitmilk34 on February 07, 2008, 23:43:45
I apologize for getting a little crazy... that kind of stuff doesn't belong on this board and does no one any good.
No, you go ahead & "vent"
Made me smile. :-D
hehe.. after logging off last night and feeling bad that I had 'vented'...( i though i was rude!!) :oops: .. then i log in today and others have vented out of their orifices... it makes me laugh too.. everything is cool.. :smth023
Quote from: billee on February 08, 2008, 11:14:36
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 08, 2008, 09:53:39
Thank you. Suddenly this place doesn't seem to be that boring after all ... :smth023
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
I never thought of this place as being boring.
i don't think we've been boring either. but surely, there hasn't been that much cure discussion here over the past months. there's been cure talk, for sure, but not much real discussion - and the latter one is always welcome imo (just as long as people keep it cool...). sometimes people need to get a bit heated, it can also give a positive punch to everyone...
we've all been drowsing a bit lately... :smth015
but let's stay awake now, while the tour is about to be on too!
I am a fan since late 80s and I love the last album, I think it is one of their best. I also liked the raw production (good work Ross). Furthermore their recent concerts are full of energy and alive, which was lost with the previous line-up. The "Festival 2005"-DVD is in my opinion by far more authentic than "Trilogy" and I enjoy watching it a lot (unlike Trilogy).
So to sum it up: as an old fan I'm more than satisfied with the current situation.
How different things can be...
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 08, 2008, 10:19:13
I feel exactly the same. "The 13th" was a prime example of Cure-ish innovation. A quality that they lost after "Wrong Number".
By the way, nice to see you! I hope you are well!?
yes, wrong number was the last cure-ish innovation single. but i love "the end of the world" its a typical cure song, but i hate production and mixing.
nice to see you here too oso.
i am not well, at hospital high-dosis chemo, day3 today. i am in isolation for 4 weeks if everything runs fine.but the doctors speak about healing,and that is important. so no cure concert for me this tour, that makes me so sad. seeing them live is always a special moment, i can fall into the songs. get in the own cure world. listening to bootlegs or albums makes me more the musical analytic act. how would be mine mix ? why does the snare sounds sofucking and so on. jason is no bad drummer, but his drums are bad mixed, without punsh.
Quote from: Curepeter on February 08, 2008, 12:57:32
I am a fan since late 80s and I love the last album, I think it is one of their best. I also liked the raw production (good work Ross). Furthermore their recent concerts are full of energy and alive, which was lost with the previous line-up. The "Festival 2005"-DVD is in my opinion by far more authentic than "Trilogy" and I enjoy watching it a lot (unlike Trilogy).
So to sum it up: as an old fan I'm more than satisfied with the current situation.
How different things can be...
i don´t like the last album so much. don´t like the songs so much. there are some good ones ( lost, promise, eotw,..) and crappy ones ( before three, alt.end,...)
but i like the festival dvd more than trilogy.trilogy is played with less emotion s. the festival reminds me on the cure rock band. the backing tapes are not so bad at the festival dvd as on trilogy. porl rocks more than perry and rodger.
so i hope the new album is gloomier, harder, more rock and less pop, or this treasue things......
but robert is not 20 anymore. he has other things in mind. not the first love, the first heartbrake...
Quote from: drowning on February 08, 2008, 13:48:05
but robert is not 20 anymore. he has other things in mind. not the first love, the first heartbrake...
i always thought Robert's first love was the Band... I mean, what an exceptional woman mary is to put up with so much in those early years??
I'm sure there are quite a lot of us out there who have had their heart broken more than once.. Bob's been wtih Mary since the 80's!! :smth049
the first love is always the mother :-)
from COF :
From a reliable source, the new album is currently scheduled for release on May 6th, 2008 in the US. If that date sticks, look for the European release on May 5th.
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that would be four days before the US-leg of the tour kicks off.
Thanks for the info [labyrinth].
That would be very good if they release the album in May :)
So let's wait and see :)
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 12, 2008, 19:02:10
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
That's a lot of songs! Maybe 25 or so on the double cd and the rest b-sides...?
I read somewhere that six of them are instrumentals.
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 12, 2008, 19:02:10
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
You don't seriously believe in something that's written in a Cure tourbook, do you? Just printed words, they have no worth ...
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 13, 2008, 08:07:43
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 12, 2008, 19:02:10
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
You don't seriously believe in something that's written in a Cure tourbook, do you? Just printed words, they have no worth ...
hmm well did you see me saying "i believe the new album will have 33 songs!"? instead, i think i did use words "seems to hint", if that means anything to you...
and no, i don't "believe" something/anything that a source like a tour book might say. for instance, the book also says:
"in 1999 the band completed the recording and mixing of what many regard their best studio album so far, the Grammy nominanted Bloodflowers". 'bloodflowers' is the album that gets nominated as possibly the best cure album ever? - come on, surely not.
so no oso, i don't go all ooooh and aaah over anything cure-related just because it's cure-related.
still, i don't see anything wrong in posting pieces of info, even if it's only "possible info" or even if it turns out to be completely false in the end.
also, and as i did state the source for this info, so anyone who reads it is free to judge whether he/she thinks it's relevant and reliable or whether it's not. so in this respect whether or not i believe it's true or not is actually irrelevant.
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 13, 2008, 08:28:26
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 13, 2008, 08:07:43
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 12, 2008, 19:02:10
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
You don't seriously believe in something that's written in a Cure tourbook, do you? Just printed words, they have no worth ...
hmm well did you see me saying "i believe the new album will have 33 songs!"? instead, i think i did use words "seems to hint", if that means anything to you...
and no, i don't "believe" something/anything that a source like a tour book might say. for instance, the book also says:
"in 1999 the band completed the recording and mixing of what many regard their best studio album so far, the Grammy nominanted Bloodflowers". 'bloodflowers' is the album that gets nominated as possibly the best cure album ever? - come on, surely not.
so no oso, i don't go all ooooh and aaah over anything cure-related just because it's cure-related.
still, i don't see anything wrong in posting pieces of info, even if it's only "possible info" or even if it turns out to be completely false in the end.
also, and as i did state the source for this info, so anyone who reads it is free to judge whether he/she thinks it's relevant and reliable or whether it's not. so in this respect whether or not i believe it's true or not is actually irrelevant.
They may have WORKED on 33 songs but whether they will all be recorded on the release or not...........I certainly hope its true
ok i see now, i shouldn't have said "we'll be having..." but "they have been working on...".
because that's what i meant, actually.
sorry to have spread misleading info by choosing my words in a poor fashion....
Quote from: Oso Blanco on February 13, 2008, 08:07:43
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 12, 2008, 19:02:10
by the way the 4tour book seems to hint that we'll be having 33 songs:
"spring 2007 saw the cure back in the studio continuing work on the 33 new songs slated for their forthcoming double CD release..."
You don't seriously believe in something that's written in a Cure tourbook, do you? Just printed words, they have no worth ...
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 13, 2008, 09:17:58
ok i see now, i shouldn't have said "we'll be having..." but "they have been working on...".
because that's what i meant, actually.
sorry to have spread misleading info by choosing my words in a poor fashion....
Don't worry about it Marika, some people just like to "split hairs". :smth019 I would think most intelligent people understood what you meant....
Quote from: japanesebaby on February 13, 2008, 09:17:58
ok i see now, i shouldn't have said "we'll be having..." but "they have been working on...".
because that's what i meant, actually.
sorry to have spread misleading info by choosing my words in a poor fashion....
No need to be offended like that! I was just saying that info in a tourbook (especially when it's about The Cure) usually isn't worth the paper it's been printed on.
It's like the end credits of Trilogy, where we were promised a remaster of Disintegration being released in 2004.
What does concern me is that there are still structural changes being made to songs that are presumably singles, and the album release date is less than 3 months away? I dunno........
Quote from: rodney on February 13, 2008, 14:34:12
What does concern me is that there are still structural changes being made to songs that are presumably singles, and the album release date is less than 3 months away? I dunno........
don't see all 3 of them as singles, can't imagine A Boy... being released as a single for example - hm, could be the same as with Wild Mood Swings, where they introduced Mint Car, Want + Jupiter Crash on the 1995 festivaltour.
on the other hand, structural changes show that they finetuned the songs for the album + did really work on them inbetween Mexico + the Euro tour.
A very good point. Did Please Project have sound the same on both shows in Europe so far?
Quote from: closedown on February 13, 2008, 17:43:28
don't see all 3 of them as singles, can't imagine A Boy... being released as a single for example - hm, could be the same as with Wild Mood Swings, where they introduced Mint Car, Want + Jupiter Crash on the 1995 festivaltour.
on the other hand, structural changes show that they finetuned the songs for the album + did really work on them inbetween Mexico + the Euro tour.
I can say this: A Boy I never Knew.. I would certainly buy a single of.. This has a very special meaning to myself , and I'm almost sure a lot of fans out there who have had or lost children... I say ... RELEASE IT !! :smth051
as far as "Freak Show'.. well,, I'm glad it's been changed a bit, cos I really didn't warm to it.. but then again, I still don't get BANANAFISHBONES!! ;)
Quote from: scatcat on February 13, 2008, 19:02:22
I can say this: A Boy I never Knew.. I would certainly buy a single of.. This has a very special meaning to myself , and I'm almost sure a lot of fans out there who have had or lost children... I say ... RELEASE IT !! :smth051
as far as "Freak Show'.. well,, I'm glad it's been changed a bit, cos I really didn't warm to it.. but then again, I still don't get BANANAFISHBONES!! ;)
hehe, same with me + Bananafishbones...
personally I'd love to see A Boy... as a single, I was just trying to be realisitc, as I can't see in 2008 a record company releasing it as a single, the usual blabla stuff, unfortunately.
Will the new album really be titled '4:13'?
i don't think so...
that was just a "work in progress" title,
at least...i hope so ! :-D
WELL IT SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE NUMBER
4
:-D
Quote from: lostflower4 on February 07, 2008, 11:34:14
As for the production of the next album, I'm pretty aprehensive about it. I have a feeling this will be the best album in some time, but it's going to be instantly destroyed due to the current trends in music:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
Every album since Wild Mood Swings has suffered from this badly, so I really hope that the new album is released on vinyl. I'll be more than happy to spend the extra money and go to the trouble of transferring it. Fortunately, vinyl will never suffer from this problem, as the needle will jump off the turntable when the volume is pushed beyond a certain limit. But I'm really not sure how much longer vinyl will be around.
It's really sad that you just can't buy a decent sounding new CD these days. And they say the world is high tech now? Hmmm... I'm not so sure.
a producer can't turn s**t into gold.. i'd say bad cd mastering can turn gold into s**t. my whole musical
tastes have changed because of the loudness more. rock music no longer sounds good these days. and forget
about everything made after the magical date 1996 when cd was destroyed unless it is marginal stuff..
this is why i listen to retro-sounding electronic music these days, it's a pleasure to the ears, combines
the best mastering technologies with sound you can just drown to..
To the point.
I'm not into retro sounding, vinyl stuff. i like digital sound, but i've been
disappointed with all recent cd's i've bought from rock, alternative, indie
genres. i won't be buying the new cure disk before i've listened to it at home,
in lossy or whatever to only see if it has any dynamics into it.
Quote from: scatcat on February 13, 2008, 19:02:22
Quote from: closedown on February 13, 2008, 17:43:28
don't see all 3 of them as singles, can't imagine A Boy... being released as a single for example - hm, could be the same as with Wild Mood Swings, where they introduced Mint Car, Want + Jupiter Crash on the 1995 festivaltour.
on the other hand, structural changes show that they finetuned the songs for the album + did really work on them inbetween Mexico + the Euro tour.
I can say this: A Boy I never Knew.. I would certainly buy a single of.. This has a very special meaning to myself , and I'm almost sure a lot of fans out there who have had or lost children... I say ... RELEASE IT !! :smth051
as far as "Freak Show'.. well,, I'm glad it's been changed a bit, cos I really didn't warm to it.. but then again, I still don't get BANANAFISHBONES!! ;)
I'd like to hear Bananafishbones played live again :)
something other than Shake Dog Shake from The Top would be hot!!
Hmmmm.......what else from that album would work with this lineup?
IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR SOME NEWS ABOUT THE FIRST SINGLE
BUT STILL - NUTHIN' !
It has been about 4 years since an official release yeah?
It has been the longest time between records/singles ever.
This just makes this next album quite an anomaly hey? :smth020
IT IS RATHER UNUSUAL THAT ITS ALL SO QUITE ABOUT THE NEW ALBUM
well 4 = number of members (same as the 4tour)
and 13 is the number of studio albums they have put out (japanese whispers and boys don't cry don't count)
yes, that was the explaination for the 4:13 title written on the tourbook,
but i don't think, that'll be the actual title.
Quote from: Janko on February 16, 2008, 18:37:19
IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR SOME NEWS ABOUT THE FIRST SINGLE
BUT STILL - NUTHIN' !
if it will really be released in late June, I expect the promo for the single approx. beginning->mid May (so the radionstations can play it 3->4 weeks in advance) + the release of the single 2 weeks in advance of the album.
Late June? I thought early May.....
COF
From a reliable source - Universal has changed the expected release date of the new album from May 5th to June 3rd.
(Thanks Friend of COF)
Quote from: Janko on March 18, 2008, 23:17:10
COF
From a reliable source - Universal has changed the expected release date of the new album from May 5th to June 3rd.
(Thanks Friend of COF)
well, i suppose all of us were expecting this.. it must be awesome!! :roll:
Quote from: scatcat on March 18, 2008, 23:23:27
Quote from: Janko on March 18, 2008, 23:17:10
COF
From a reliable source - Universal has changed the expected release date of the new album from May 5th to June 3rd.
(Thanks Friend of COF)
well, i suppose all of us were expecting this.. it must be awesome!! :roll:
Right in the middle of the U.S. tour? That sure seems odd.
But really, what's up with these "reliable sources from Universal"? They've told us all kinds of things that have never happened yet... :roll:
WHAT WORRIES ME IT THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONE POSTPONING FROM SEPTEMBER!!!
:smth011
Quote from: Janko on March 19, 2008, 17:03:00
WHAT WORRIES ME IT THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONE POSTPONING FROM SEPTEMBER!!!
:smth011
And just two away from 2009... :?
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 19, 2008, 17:36:25
Quote from: Janko on March 19, 2008, 17:03:00
WHAT WORRIES ME IT THE FACT THAT WE ARE ONE POSTPONING FROM SEPTEMBER!!!
:smth011
I was thinking the same thing when I saw the album date. I can't see them postponing again (at least I hope not!)
And just two away from 2009... :?
WE'LL GET 26 SONGS ON THE NEW ALBUM!
BUT SOMEHOW, I'D BE HAPPY WITH 12 GOOD ONES NOW
:smth023
Anyone have more information on the new LP?
I hear it is due for release in June 2008. Is this a USA market release date? If so, what about the rest of the world?
Also, what is it called... someone mentioned 4:13?!
Cheers if you can share any details.
latest rumors :
album to be released on June 3rd
and
The Freak Show (that could be the first single) to be released on May 6th in two different versions.
nothing strong yet about the title
Ultra and Raised Up seem to be very "bad" to me, but who knows.
and.... the most important rumor :
Porl confirmed to some fans that they are going to promote the album with some "promotional" shows in Europe (later this year) and with another "full" European tour next year.
so U.S. should have the new album promotion in these shows.
ooo... thats all very exciting!
where did you hear this from??
i read it over magazines that were quoting some "sources"
but they are only rumors for now !!!!
and they could be completely wrong.
yeah I completely understand that about the rumors now.... :oops: heh
but for some reason when I read a date I just get allll happy inside
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 25, 2008, 17:43:26
i read it over magazines
can you quote the magazines names?
I like the delay on the new album!!!! Giving me a chance to build up a real desire for it !
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on March 25, 2008, 22:10:03
I like the delay on the new album!!!! Giving me a chance to build up a real desire for it !
THATS THE SPIRIT!
:-D :-D :-D
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on March 25, 2008, 22:10:03
I like the delay on the new album!!!! Giving me a chance to build up a real desire for it !
you must be just about to explode with desire by now then...
there was some lines on the freaksout-magazine here in Naples and that was just 3/4 lines in the page of "Rumors from Studios" , and they were with other rumors of other bands (like Oasis etc)
and then, those things where also on some blogs over the web.
like the shout blog etc etc
Hmm, exciting :-D
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 25, 2008, 16:29:24
The Freak Show (that could be the first single) to be released on May 6th in two different versions.
I always thought that freak show could be the first single, 'cos imho it's a perfect song for mtv and the radiophonic promotion ... :)
COF reports that the album is done, but the label is wanting to wait until "labor day-ish" for a release. No details are given, but Craig speculates that this may be a good thing. I assume this means a fall tour of some kind?
Quote from: [labyrinth] on March 25, 2008, 16:29:24
latest rumors :
album to be released on June 3rd
and
The Freak Show (that could be the first single) to be released on May 6th in two different versions.
nothing strong yet about the title
Ultra and Raised Up seem to be very "bad" to me, but who knows.
and.... the most important rumor :
Porl confirmed to some fans that they are going to promote the album with some "promotional" shows in Europe (later this year) and with another "full" European tour next year.
so U.S. should have the new album promotion in these shows.
ohh well i hope this will be for real at least lets have faith! i hope as well that there will be promotional shows in europe and also another european tour next year............ but u never know....
WELL THEN, MORRISSEY HAS A SINGLE FOR MAY AND A NEW ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER!
SO, IF THEY POSTPOND THE CURE ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER WE'LL KNOW THIS MEANS WAR!!!
:-D
PS
WHATS WRONG WITH "RAISED UP"?!
Quote from: Janko on April 14, 2008, 18:41:45
WELL THEN, MORRISSEY HAS A SINGLE FOR MAY AND A NEW ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER!
SO, IF THEY POSTPOND THE CURE ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER WE'LL KNOW THIS MEANS WAR!!!
not it doesn't. because who cares about morrissey? :lol:
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 14, 2008, 19:00:05
Quote from: Janko on April 14, 2008, 18:41:45
WELL THEN, MORRISSEY HAS A SINGLE FOR MAY AND A NEW ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER!
SO, IF THEY POSTPOND THE CURE ALBUM FOR SEPTEMBER WE'LL KNOW THIS MEANS WAR!!!
not it doesn't. because who cares about morrissey? :lol:
YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT SOUND FUNNY, BUT A FEW WELL WRITTEN ARTICLES ON THE SUBJECT COULD MEAN SUCCESS OR FLOP OF THE NEW ALBUMS FOR BOTH ARTISTS...
MEDIA HAS TO HAVE SOMETHING TO DEVOUR IF YOU WANT TO BE NOTICED!
:smth011
Everybody surely knows that Morrissey & Robert Smith are longterm rivals for the same audience. However most fans will buy both the albums anyway!
check this: http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/5416480/New-Album-TBA/Product.html
no comment...
Quote from: monghi on April 16, 2008, 07:53:04
check this: http://www.play.com/Music/CD/4-/5416480/New-Album-TBA/Product.html
no comment...
i wouldn't pay much attention to it, i think play.com does this all the time. i think they do it for advertising purposes for their own site, just to catch people's attention AND to make them click 'PRE-ORDER' and commit to order through them(!).
they always list everything soon after there's some sort of rumour about the release date. then they change the release date dozens of times, as many times as it's needed.
i'm actually surprised they didn't list this already 12 months ago - or back in 2005/6 haha.
just have a look at some of the dvd releases they are already announcing: many of those films won't even be in the theaters for months, yet they are already advertising the dvd release.
so to me their 'pre-order' means nothing, really. i do remember "pre-ordering" something through them and then ending up waiting for over 6 months before the item was even released.
so no comment indeed...
here: http://www.metacritic.com/music/upcomingreleases.shtml
3th June 2008 ... hmmm.... maybe (someday)
hmmm sweet. we'll see..
what about the next batch of the remasters??
and the rumoured DVDs...
There is a lot of talk here about the title :smth020of the new album but surely this is 4:13 as descibed in the concert programmes !!!!
A BIT OFF, BUT ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WILL THEY USE THE WORDS "RETURN" AND "REUNION" IN ADVERTISING AGAIN?
I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY NEW CURE ALBUM GETS PRAISED AS SOME KIND OF RETURN FOR THE BAND, AS IF THEY DISBANDED IN 1992 AND THEN STARTED REUNIONING FROM TIME TO TIME...
JUST A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW...
Quote from: Janko on April 21, 2008, 17:00:20
A BIT OFF, BUT ONE THING THAT BOTHERS ME IS WILL THEY USE THE WORDS "RETURN" AND "REUNION" IN ADVERTISING AGAIN?
I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY NEW CURE ALBUM GETS PRAISED AS SOME KIND OF RETURN FOR THE BAND, AS IF THEY DISBANDED IN 1992 AND THEN STARTED REUNIONING FROM TIME TO TIME...
JUST A THOUGHT, YOU KNOW...
no, I think you have something serious here JANKO.. hhmm.. well, the only real 'constant' in the band.. is BOB.. so why don't they just call it "The Robert Smith Band'..? ( The Smiths have already been slaughtered somewhere.. poor, poor guys.. ) :smth011
.. or just 'Robert Smith".. and have him do his first solo album .. with whatever muso's he picks and chooses..? :smth034
Robert Smith likes the band to believe that every project could be the last one. This provides a certain intensity to the music and brings out the best performances. See YOUTUBE for interview with him discussing this.
Also, maybe after each album they think '"That's it, no more", but something, somewhere, somehow re-ignites that flame which sees Robert crave to continue. And aren't we glad THAT happens? Would be so easy to just stop, not put yourself and others under the pressure, to sit back and be happy with what you have done, to enjoy your years, relaxing, knowing that you are secure, you don't have to "work".
Well, Robert just can't do that! He lives and breathes his music,it is what keeps him going, feeds his soul and quenches his desires. Sure, the album was promised earlier, but hey, its coming, we know that! Lets hope he retains that fire in the belly for a little while yet.
remember the famous quote after disintegration that simon made about the 90 tour "the old bastard wants to play again"... or something like that.. so Melly, I reckon you're spot on
YES, BUT THAT JOKE ISNT FUNNY ANY MORE... TO ME AT LEAST!
Quote from: Janko on April 22, 2008, 15:36:39
YES, BUT THAT JOKE ISNT FUNNY ANY MORE... TO ME AT LEAST!
i think it just gets funnier every time, year after year after year... :-D
Quote from: nausearockpig on April 21, 2008, 12:37:13
hmmm sweet. we'll see..
...looks like at the moment it's scheduled for september 2008.
after that for christmas, maybe...
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 22, 2008, 17:56:33
Quote from: nausearockpig on April 21, 2008, 12:37:13
hmmm sweet. we'll see..
...looks like at the moment it's scheduled for september 2008.
after that for christmas, maybe...
Christmas should be the latest. It MUST come out in '08 or the "every four years" theory is shot to shit.
So where is all this September talk coming from?
I guess that whole postponing of the tour because of the "new album" was a bunch of shit. :roll:
Quote from: lostflower4 on April 22, 2008, 19:08:07
So where is all this September talk coming from?
for instance:
http://craigjparker.blogspot.com/2008/04/rtl2-says-sept-too.html
Has this ever happened with any of their other albums??
This is the first album I've really followed since they announced releasing it so I'm just wondering if they have done this before...where they keep pushing it back and....and back...and back a little more..
MAYBE THE ALBUM MATERIAL ISNT ANY GOOD, SO ROBERT OR THE LABEL STARTS TO HASITATE...
:smth011
Quote from: Janko on April 22, 2008, 21:26:40
MAYBE THE ALBUM MATERIAL ISNT ANY GOOD, SO ROBERT OR THE LABEL STARTS TO HASITATE...
:smth011
well, as much as i'd want to see a good new cure album out sometime in this century, i have to say i really wouldn't mind if they kept on hesitating for another year (or two - or ten) before deciding to release 'freak show' as a single.
stuff like that song - it calls for hesitation... :?
I THINK THERE MIGHT BE PROBLEMS WITH THE DOUBLE ALBUM IDEA...
I'M A HUGE FAN BUT I DONT BELIVE THE BAND HAS IT IN THEM TO MAKE 30+ DECENT SONGS TO PUT OUT A SUCCESFULL DOUBLE ALBUM AND I WOULD UNDERSTAND A LABEL THAT HESITATES WITH FINANCING SUCH ADVENTURE...
:(
During that MTV Winter interview, didn't Robert say the album was done and would probably be a single album? I uploaded the interview only it's been deleted from youtube. :? Does anyone remember?
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 22, 2008, 22:16:15
During that MTV Winter interview, didn't Robert say the album was done and would probably be a single album? I uploaded the interview only it's been deleted from youtube. :? Does anyone remember?
Yes, he did and he said he had until Easter to decide the final track list, I think...
I wonder if there are record company dealings going on now that are delaying things.
there's no urgency anymore. what with them all being millionaires etc.. i imagine that back when Seventeen Seconds was about to be released, there was a certain fiscal urgency to the release and tour, now, not so much... $$$ = lazier than before
COF is now reporting a Sept 16th release date.
Quote from: rodney on April 23, 2008, 01:07:02
COF is now reporting a Sept 16th release date.
thats what i heard too, but whats COF?
Quote from: DJscribbles on April 23, 2008, 06:33:47
Quote from: rodney on April 23, 2008, 01:07:02
COF is now reporting a Sept 16th release date.
thats what i heard too, but whats COF?
:smth017
Umm...you just made a post there.
DJ scribbles said...
aww... i was really hoping it would be at least in early june, but thats probably impossible.
this might be a stupid question - but how did you find out? neither the cure or the record company has given the exact date
April 22, 2008 11:10 PM
I'm surprised so many people readily believe what's posted on Chain of Flowers. I don't believe September 16 any more than the dates that have been floating around a few days ago.
Let's just face it: We don't know.
Quote from: lostflower4 on April 23, 2008, 06:49:30
Let's just face it: We don't know.
I think we're not the only ones who don't know!!! ;-)
YOU GUYS ARE SO IMPATIENT!
Why would they release the album before they finish the USA tour?
They will finish the tour in June then I expect will have a rest then put finishing touches to the album and prepare release for about Oct/Nov in time for the Christmas market.
By this time Robert will have had a rest and be fit for all the PR activity related to a new release.
It is called MARKETING.
BE PATIENT - I THINK IT WILL BE WORTH THE WAIT!!!!!!!!
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on April 23, 2008, 09:01:22
YOU GUYS ARE SO IMPATIENT!
Why would they release the album before they finish the USA tour?
hmmm but i think the question could rather be why are they even touring without the album?:?:
and i'm not impatient. honestly i don't really care when it's released/if it's even ever released. by that i don't mean i don't care about it, just that i don't see point worrying.
and even though the 4tour european shows were really good shows (imo), i think the whole thing has been a fiasco, ever since the US tour got cancelled.
(marketing? uhhh one of the words i don't like - has nothing to do with art/music. and so to me postponing something for marketing reasons equals crap reasons.)
They are touring BEFORE the album because they have a huge dedicated following they know will buy the album. Unlike smaller bands who tour to promote their album.
I like this about Robert. He has justified confidence in his fanbase.
Marketing is of paramount importance to record companies not artists. However the two have to work together to ensure success!!!!
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on April 23, 2008, 13:11:45
They are touring BEFORE the album because they have a huge dedicated following they know will buy the album. Unlike smaller bands who tour to promote their album.
i didn't mean that couldn't be the case. i just meant that one could just as well ask why they tour without the album than to ask why would they release the album before finishing the tour - both are just as good (or bad) explanations. neither one "explains" anything. whichever way one looks at it (even when one didn't even want to be sarcastic/tried to remain positive and confident about the band), i think the fact remains that it's been bit of a fiasco ever since last year, like i said. clearly things have not been going as planned. when they originally announced the original (and then cancelled) US tour, they very clearly meant to tour AFTER the album was out. the plans were changed because they can't seem to finish(?) the album, for whatever reasons. and so i just mean that i don't think we can say they originally meant to tour without an album out, just to please their dedicated fanbase. that's not the same as saying they couldn't/shouldn't do that, of course. i don't object it. but i just mean that originally they probably never planned to tour without an album anyway...
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on April 23, 2008, 13:11:45
Marketing is of paramount importance to record companies not artists. However the two have to work together to ensure success!!!!
yes of course, i don't deny this. i simply meant that
personally i'm not at all interested in any potential commercial success, only in the potential artistic success. and that alone is not connected to marketing/commercial success/what the record sompany thinks or wants.
so, I've been posting up a storm on the COF blogspot about all of this...but, seriously...Robert obviously IS concerned with the following because he, himself, said that part of him wants to release the commercial material to bring people into the world of the Cure again...and another part of him wants to say to hell with it and release the doom and gloom...so...obviously he is concerned, at least in part, with bringing in new fans or whatever...otherwise he wouldn't have said that.
I think the Cure definitely has a loyal fan base that would make it out to the shows to support them...but come on...touring when you haven't had an album out in 4 years is a bit of a stretch. I know most bands tour to PROMOTE their CD...but even when most other bands tour without having a new CD out it's usually within the first year or two after their last album came out. Maybe if they hadn't wasted time in 2007 playing some of those other shows they could have been in the studio that whole time ensuring that they would have the new album out before the planned 4europe shows and US tour.
As japanesebaby pointed out...I think the reason the Cure postponed the US tour was to FINISH the album to ensure that it would be out before the re-scheduled shows kicked off again in the spring...otherwise, what was the point of postponing the tour at all?! as I said on COF, they could have played the original tour dates, as planned, and still made it back into the studio by, what? November? December at the latest? and STILL could have had time to crank the album out by May or June...but, here we are...7 months later with no new album and the tour still hasn't kicked off. So that postponement was for nothing.
Maybe the Cure have absolutely rock-solid reasons as to why the new album hasn't been put out yet or why it's being rescheduled AGAIN for September, now...but we wouldn't know that because they basically tell the fans to f*ck off by not posting ANY news about the new album on the official website...we have to resort to hearing about the postponements from unofficial sites...it's ridiculous.
this is from COF:
Wednesday, April 23, 2008
Cure in LA, mastering new album
Just want everyone to understand that this is third hand info and is NOT 100% confirmed. I did contact Brian Gardner and he confirmed that he has worked on "new stuff" with them. Anyway, it's the first bit of good news we've had in awhile, so here it is:
"The Cure were in Los Angeles on April 21, 2008 at the Mastering Lab in Los Angeles.
Brian Gardner mastered the new album.
Robert Smith mixed it.
The new album will be a double.
I heard this personally from a source that was with The Cure, listening to their new album."
Ok, so if true, the album is done. So why is Universal holding it until September? They must have a good reason, right?
(Thanks Anonymous)
Quote from: japanesebaby on April 23, 2008, 12:49:53
hmmm but i think the question could rather be why are they even touring without the album?
I think it depends of every artist. There are so many who tour without an album, yet the tours are very succesful (just remember Roger Waters and his "Dark side of the moon" tour, where he played just one new song. Yet the tour was awesome).
So I guess the album will come out after the tour as well. Now is too late for something like that, I think.
Quote from: [labyrinth] on April 23, 2008, 15:25:32
"The Cure were in Los Angeles on April 21, 2008 at the Mastering Lab in Los Angeles.
Brian Gardner mastered the new album.
Robert Smith mixed it.
The new album will be a double.
I heard this personally from a source that was with The Cure, listening to their new album."
FINALLY SOME NEWS...
WIKIPEDIA:
Brian Gardner (nicknamed Big Bass Brian) is an American mastering engineer. He has worked on over 750 recordings since the mid-1970s, including classic rock, funk, disco, alternative rock, R&B, hip hop, pop punk, and dance pop.He is perhaps best known for his work on hip hop albums and in particular in his collaborations with Dr. Dre.
He is currently employed at Bernie Grundman Mastering a mastering house found and run by Bernie Grundman.
Quote from: PrettyToy712 on April 23, 2008, 14:06:49
.but we wouldn't know that because they basically tell the fans to f*ck off by not posting ANY news about the new album on the official website...we have to resort to hearing about the postponements from unofficial sites...it's ridiculous.
I hardly think Robert tells the fans to "f*ck off" as you put it... why would they even bother touring if that was the attitude WITHOUT an album to promote? All the "news" you talk of on unofficial sites are merely rumours, aren't they? Besides, Robert could have put something in the official site, but with all the crap, spamming and a couple of resident lunatics there, you'd never find it.
Quote from: PrettyToy712 on April 23, 2008, 14:06:49
Maybe if they hadn't wasted time in 2007 playing some of those other shows they could have been in the studio that whole time ensuring that they would have the new album out before the planned 4europe shows and US tour.
Hey, "some of those other shows" in 2007 just happened to be the Australasian tour and I, and probably quite a few thousand other Australian Cure fans didn't consider them a waste of time....anything but actually...
Quote from: sues777 on April 24, 2008, 12:24:02
...anything but actually...
NICE PHRASE YOU GOT THERE...
:D
again. i repeat myself.. how many bands tour without releasing/promoting a new album...?
The Cure Have been around. Most of my life. :smth020
Quote from: sues777 on April 24, 2008, 12:24:02
Quote from: PrettyToy712 on April 23, 2008, 14:06:49
Maybe if they hadn't wasted time in 2007 playing some of those other shows they could have been in the studio that whole time ensuring that they would have the new album out before the planned 4europe shows and US tour.
Hey, "some of those other shows" in 2007 just happened to be the Australasian tour and I, and probably quite a few thousand other Australian Cure fans didn't consider them a waste of time....anything but actually...
Actually.. not a waste of time.. 3 and half hours of classic Cure.. did we miss a new song? The answer is NO. :smth023 I agree sues777 !
Quote from: melly on April 24, 2008, 10:47:05
Quote from: PrettyToy712 on April 23, 2008, 14:06:49
.but we wouldn't know that because they basically tell the fans to f*ck off by not posting ANY news about the new album on the official website...we have to resort to hearing about the postponements from unofficial sites...it's ridiculous.
I hardly think Robert tells the fans to "f*ck off" as you put it... why would they even bother touring if that was the attitude WITHOUT an album to promote? All the "news" you talk of on unofficial sites are merely rumours, aren't they? Besides, Robert could have put something in the official site, but with all the crap, spamming and a couple of resident lunatics there, you'd never find it.
you are spot on there
melly.. love the resident lunatic phrase.. ;)
I can say this: my son ( after seeing The Cure Live in Melbourne..) can bring up more details and pick out songs quicker than my old brain,, name them and test me , day after day.. ( he's only 13) his favourite album is Bloodflowers, and Concert.. many others.. OMG.. he is a CureFreak !! [ hi there CureFreak!]
thanx to me taking him to see his first concert.. they are already an influence on his life.. :shock:
we are all awaiting the new album.. It has always been 'rumoured ' to be a double.. i just want Robert to release what he is comfortable to do.. after all, once you reach our age *ahem*.. you kinda know what you want.it's like shopping.. you get smarter and wiser.. and I'm sure that's what is occurring.
:smth020
ha ha! watch this: http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Cure-The-Only-One (http://cgi.ebay.com/The-Cure-The-Only-One-New-CD-Collectors-Box_W0QQitemZ290225415452QQihZ019QQcategoryZ1049QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#)
"the only one" on 13th May 2008 :D
I just saw tha too yeah,
was interesting caus I was discussing it with a friend and I thought this was nonsense but my friend said it might be true, consdiering it prolly comming from a big musicstore chain or whatever, but we'll have to see if more of these kinda things show up, if this stayes the only one I don't think it's something serious, but I have no idea,
anyone else knows more about this?
Cheers
I'll see if I can talk to Ali ( the buyer) & find out what he's got exactly.
My only concern is that Sept 13 is a Sunday, and no albums will be released on a Sunday.
Okay, Ali syays that he wont get it until 13th May, but it seems to be the box with the single in.
Anywhere else doing advance sales?
Quote from: sues777 on April 24, 2008, 12:24:02
Quote from: PrettyToy712 on April 23, 2008, 14:06:49
Maybe if they hadn't wasted time in 2007 playing some of those other shows they could have been in the studio that whole time ensuring that they would have the new album out before the planned 4europe shows and US tour.
Hey, "some of those other shows" in 2007 just happened to be the Australasian tour and I, and probably quite a few thousand other Australian Cure fans didn't consider them a waste of time....anything but actually...
exactly!! And if the Cure stayed in the studio and didn't tour, people would be whining about THAT too! Plus someone said basically because they are "millionaires" now, there's no rush to get the album out, that dollars equals laziness.WHAT??!!...yeah, they are really lazy, touring, playing night after night, different venues, different countries, 3 hour plus shows... damn, those boys are lazy...
Of course what you should also consider is that the tour is a huge promotional push for sales of all the back catalogue. Most of the albums have been re-mastered and are all advertised in the tour brochure!!!
I have completed my collection by buying 2 or 3 early albums I didn't have and I'm sure many other fans have done the same!!
There are some cheap fligts to USA from UK so I may be going to some shows over the pond. Anybody else coming from Europe?????
Woah, this is beginning to look like the official site. :shock:
Thing is, when you arrange a tour of that magnitude, it becomes tricky to cancel & re-schedule. It's not like a holiday, where you can do whatever you like every day.
There are lots of logistics & stuff to get sorted.
There were also some festival dates & you can't just go pulling out of festivals willy nilly.
I've said this before, as a die hard Sisters fan, I have had a 19 year wait for a new album & yet I still see them tour & play new stuff.
Another few months to wait for the new album isn't going to kill us I'm sure.
Yes, annoying, but at least we know it's coming right?
Quote from: bloodflowersuk on April 25, 2008, 08:05:20
Of course what you should also consider is that the tour is a huge promotional push for sales of all the back catalogue. Most of the albums have been re-mastered and are all advertised in the tour brochure!!!
I have completed my collection by buying 2 or 3 early albums I didn't have and I'm sure many other fans have done the same!!
There are some cheap fligts to USA from UK so I may be going to some shows over the pond. Anybody else coming from Europe?????
Oooh.
When you say cheap, how cheap?
Euro is strong dollar is weak. Internet search should show up some flight bargains!!!
Quote from: Steve on April 25, 2008, 08:07:05
Woah, this is beginning to look like the official site. :shock:
:smth017 what do u mean?
I see on the link provided, the CD has been bought...says "this item has ended with buy it now"... anyone here??
Quote from: melly on April 25, 2008, 10:47:30
Quote from: Steve on April 25, 2008, 08:07:05
Woah, this is beginning to look like the official site. :shock:
:smth017 what do u mean?
I see on the link provided, the CD has been bought...says "this item has ended with buy it now"... anyone here??
Hi
MellyI was referring to the angry comments being posted up above, but never mind.
The guy that bought it, I met in London before the Wembley show. Nice guy & he buys almost every version of everything if he can.
I dropped him a line & he told me he bought the item & apparently won't get it until 13th May, so even he's not sure what's in it.
I will be looking around for pre-sales this weekend though.
just read on COF..I rarely go there btw..that this cd, "The Only One" is, infact "Please Project"...kewl, I love that ditty!!
Steve....Ohhhh I see what u mean...thought u were referring to scatcat and I as resident lunatics... well, not far off I guess!!
Quote from: melly on April 25, 2008, 11:36:40
just read on COF..I rarely go there btw..that this cd, "The Only One" is, infact "Please Project"...kewl, I love that ditty!!
Steve....Ohhhh I see what u mean...thought u were referring to scatcat and I as resident lunatics... well, not far off I guess!!
Well, there is that too :-D
Yeah, seems they finally gave it a name, after all the "have no idea what this one's called" comments at the shows.
It was listed as The Only One on the MTV broadcast too
single confirmed !
from CoF :
Single releases confirmed!
100% confirmed by Universal. Names and locations deleted to protect the innocent:
"Universal is going to announce full info on april 28th, 2008.
There will be 4 tracks released from the album in the lead up to its release in September - one a month for the next 4 months. A physical CD single and digital download will be made available simultaneously. The single versions are edits (each will have Mix 13 on the artwork per the attached) and not the album versions. None of the B sides will appear on the album.
The b-side on The Only One will be a song called Ny Trip".
(Thanks anonymous)
Quote from: Steve on April 25, 2008, 10:56:27
Quote from: melly on April 25, 2008, 10:47:30
Quote from: Steve on April 25, 2008, 08:07:05
Woah, this is beginning to look like the official site. :shock:
:smth017 what do u mean?
I see on the link provided, the CD has been bought...says "this item has ended with buy it now"... anyone here??
Hi Melly
I was referring to the angry comments being posted up above, but never mind.
hmmm i don't see any particularly angry comments - i do see people having different opinions and different interpretations but that's different imo. if everyone would be like "yeahyeahyeah everything's bloody great whooaaah!!" all the time then what would be the point? imo people are entitled to express their opinion as long as they have some reasonable grounds on what it's based on - imo that's called argumentative discussion (or something like it, not sure of the english term).
and/or, having simple "great news!"/"i love it!"/"i love it too!"/me too!!!"/"we're all so great because we all love the cure!!!" (or alternatively, "boring!"/"yes, boring!"/"i agree, i hate the cure too!!" etc.) kind of one-liners one after one after another would be a different matter. but i don't see that here.
and come on, i really have to disagree a lot with the official site reference.
where would be the resemblance? i really wonder if you ever saw anything anywhere near as organized as this over there?
imo the fact that not exactly everyone agrees about everything is simply natural, not a sign of some kind of crisis or something.
perhaps there are some forums where everyone would just post "i agree!" and all would be happyhappyhappy(shinypeople) - but well, i'd find that a bit boring.
:?:
this site and the official site are so diametrically opposed it's not worth worrying about, we all know that!
Was just thinking... I've read a couple of comments on how the postponement of the Nth.American tour was "shit" as the album still isn't out. Didn't Robert say he wanted to FINISH the album, not necessarily RELEASE it?
(And there's nothing wrong with the banter which goes on here... sure, I tend to be more on the "defensive" side, but I think I look at issues a little differently to some others...maybe cos I'm old and not so impatient??!! :-D )
Quote from: melly on April 26, 2008, 08:19:01
Was just thinking... I've read a couple of comments on how the postponement of the Nth.American tour was "shit" as the album still isn't out. Didn't Robert say he wanted to FINISH the album, not necessarily RELEASE it?
well I don't think it's "shit" and Robert said that they needed a bit more time to FINISH the album, yes...but that was 7 months ago...wouldn't it be accurate for people to assume that within those 7 months the album should have been finished AND released...they'd already been working on the album for quite some time before their decision to postpone the tour to "finish" it. Especially with the release dates mentioned and then THOSE postponed as well...seems like the label was sure the album was going to be out all of those times as well.
'tis a mystery to us all! I guess it takes quite some time to write the lyrics to new songs, compose the music, marry them together, go back and get rid of what you don't like, improve a bit here and there, change things completely, add new words, take some out, try again etc.etc. plus have some sort of life beyond the studio. To come up with songs you are pleased with, that you will release to the world, would take months, I assume. Then throw a tour in, get home to continue the amalgamation of those words and tunes you have spinning around in your head, fine tune it, then it might be ready. I'm no musician, but I would have thought to come up with an album of this magnitude, it would take several months from start to finish? To get it "just right" in the mind of the composer(s)....
Patience is a virtue I'm told... :-D
I know what you're saying and I have many musician friends, so I am familiar with the entire process.
The way you've described it is pretty accurate...IF you are looking at it from start to finish. When Robert posted the news that the North American tour had been postponed, he just said they needed a bit more time to finish the album and that 2 weeks just wasn't going to be enough time...but it was hinted at that the album was near completion back in September...because he said 2 weeks wasn't enough time to finish it to the band's standards...they weren't STARTING the album from scratch back in September...so that's why I am saying that I find it a little ridiculous that 7 months later the album still isn't out...granted from news posted on COF Robert was mixing the album last week...so it should be almost ready, now.
And we all realize that the band members have lives outside of the Cure...but Im just saying...the way they made it sound like the album was almost done in September was obviously misleading or else I don't know what the hell they've been doing for the past 7 months.
I guess it's good to have patience,
this album might be just really, really REALLY good (the artwork suggests it), and I certainly hope so caus it gets me unpatient when I think about the time between Bloodflowers and The Cure and then the result (for me, personally, that selftitled album wasn't that really really REALLY good and seemed strange to have taken that long) But I know, it was a different situation back then, so this round we might be more lucky and have no regrets at all to have waited so long.
totally right!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: melly on April 27, 2008, 11:24:03
'tis a mystery to us all! I guess it takes quite some time to write the lyrics to new songs, compose the music, marry them together, go back and get rid of what you don't like, improve a bit here and there, change things completely, add new words, take some out, try again etc.etc. plus have some sort of life beyond the studio. To come up with songs you are pleased with, that you will release to the world, would take months, I assume. Then throw a tour in, get home to continue the amalgamation of those words and tunes you have spinning around in your head, fine tune it, then it might be ready. I'm no musician, but I would have thought to come up with an album of this magnitude, it would take several months from start to finish? To get it "just right" in the mind of the composer(s)....
Patience is a virtue I'm told... :-D
thats why i find illegal downloading painful - its so damn hard to write music, to spend countless hours working on something that plays for a few minutes - and not get a single penny for it.
did porl did the artwork for the singles and the album?
each single coming out on the 13th, so clever. man I love them. :smth060
Oh Hurray and Hurrah! The official site has released the details we all have been so eagerly awaiting! :smth023 I'm glad the pressure is off in regards to the releasing of the singles and album...now we will scrutinise and give our critiques, which in itself, will engage, I'm sure, some animated discussions!
:smth014 :smth042
Dream 13 as the title???
(on CoF)
obscene! :smth011
Quote from: [labyrinth] on May 25, 2008, 15:57:45
Dream 13 as the title???
(on CoF)
obscene! :smth011
I don't mind Dream 13 as the title. It could certainly be worse. I was going to turn in my Cure card if they called the new album 4:13. Because of that, I guess I'm of the opinion that everything is better than I thought it was going to be. So no complaints here.
Though I'd rather they call it "Thirteen".
Quote from: Bloodflower on May 25, 2008, 22:48:48
Quote from: [labyrinth] on May 25, 2008, 15:57:45
Dream 13 as the title???
(on CoF)
obscene! :smth011
I don't mind Dream 13 as the title. It could certainly be worse. I was going to turn in my Cure card if they called the new album 4:13. Because of that, I guess I'm of the opinion that everything is better than I thought it was going to be. So no complaints here.
Though I'd rather they call it "Thirteen".
I kind of liked 4:13, actually. Dream 13.... meh. :?
if they must put in the title "Dream" and "13" it was far better if they used "Thirteen Dreams"...
i really don't like "Dream 13" and I don't even know if something could be worse :?
i mean, at this point just call it "Thirteen" if you don't have any better idea about the title!
anyway,hope it's just a "bad" rumor !
Could be worse. could be "The Cure II" and be an album of shite that doesn't encapsulate what The Cure is all about!!!
Quote from: [labyrinth] on May 25, 2008, 15:57:45
Dream 13 as the title???
(on CoF)
obscene! :smth011
Indeed.
:-D
I'm not to crazy about the name Dream 13. It's Ok but kind of blah. I kind of liked 4:13. It was a bit unique at least. Four Singles, 4 Members, 13th album etc.............
I saw a poster today [20th October] that had the Australian release date of the album as the 25th October - Saturday!!!
Yay!!
iTunes might have it for sale the night or day before. A couple of the singles were up for sale on it prior to actual release...
:D
Roll on Saturday then :smth023
Quote from: nausearockpig on October 20, 2008, 10:28:27
Quote from: billee on October 20, 2008, 10:22:12
:D
Roll on Saturday then :smth023
Bring it!!!
oh thank god!! Other Aussies excited about Sat...was beginning to fear I was the only one... Yes!! Roll on Sat!!! :smth023
hehehe sues yep this old chook's doing the chooky dance :smth048
You go billee!! :rocker
awesome music week. The Cure new album and Jane's Addiction playing on thursday - details on that are sketchy but it seems Eric Avery may be back on board... SWEEETTTTT!!!!!!!! ah, back to The Cure...