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But the same image haunts me...
« on: September 01, 2007, 01:08:20 »
If anyone ask me what I love the best about The Cure, I'd say their lyrics. I truly believe Robert Smith is a poet, who at some point has been writing lines about our own lives.

Now If anyone ask me what I love the best about Robert Smith... I'd say his eyes.

I was just watching the Pornography set on Trilogy - The figurehead, a strange day, Cold - Such powerful lyrics... and what I find fascinating is the way his eyes seem to reflect his very own words. Very expressive. A perfect combination to the words. And their sound.

I wonder if anyone ever thought the same...

Ignore me  :-D Too much The Cure in daVeins of this poor woman...  :smth039



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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 05:13:35 »
I HATE BEING IGNORED as well...I create many threads with tons of potential and they often go unnoticed.

But obviously I noticed this one, and I agree. I almost can't look into his eyes because he has the power and wisdom of a modern deity...a new messiah. Oh, Robert...strange how you can make a straight man like me act so gay... :)

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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2007, 14:34:41 »
Glad to know such expressive eyes hasnt gone unnoticed by other fans. It just adds to the songs I think. Makes you feel them ripping through you.

There I go again... LOL


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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 18:26:58 »
I HATE BEING IGNORED as well...I create many threads with tons of potential and they often go unnoticed.

please don't feel bad about it, i'm sure people here don't ignore you consciously or anything. and sometimes people read a new thread and even if they don't post anything it can still offer them food for thought and so it's not just a waste of time. some people read more than they ever post.
so keep on creating those threads...  :smth023


about the lyrics in general: like i said here http://www.curefans.com/index.php/topic,3850.msg27679.html
the song words book (by fiction) is among my all time favorite books. it's not just the imagery of the texts and the way they are composed that interests me, but the way the language is being used: pretty much all good poetry also sounds good, when you read it. i mean the sounds and rhyths of combinations of  words alone - i like writers who are not only skilled in what they say but also how they say it.
i know many people don't care about the lyrics so much - and even me, i always tend to listen to the music first (because no great lyrics can save shit music!). but the cure lyrics are an interesting case, since they survive he "translation" into "poetry only", if you know what i mean... i mean, many song lyrics from other bands work well as song lyrics but try to read them out of their musical context and they often fall apart. (and ok there are exceptions among the cure lyrics too, of course: like try reading 'hey you' and no it's not exactly an instant pulizer prize winner etc.) but mostly, and at its best, the way the cure lyrics stand on their own as pieces of literature is quite formidable, when compared to most other stuff out there.

then again, i will personally skip all god/messiah stuff, i just personally find it awkward. to me it's enough to say robert smith can write interesting pieces of poetry with both words and music (or whatever you want to call it), thus he's an interesting artist. but i've personally never felt the need to elevate him for it.
but he does have beautiful eyes too - what a lucky bastard he is.  :lol:
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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 21:57:43 »
The GOD/Messiah thing is a joke! Come on, man!
You know it's not literal...people call Bowie a god all the time! And Iggy Pop!


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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2007, 00:34:10 »
That with the eyes attracted my attention some time ago, on the Bloodflowers Set while he sings the lyrics of The Last Day of Summer. I think it's not only his eyes to seem to reflect his own lyrics, peculiar during that song, is also the facial impression. It seems that he is sorrowful or something like that. Maybe sorrowful is the wrong word, i find it not easy to describe it - you have to see it, i think.


For me Robert is a poet too. He writes wonderful lyrics with a deep meaning and you feel addressed
by it, it doesn't matter if they are sad or happy. I've read lyrics from other bands i'm listening to, but this feeling to appeal to the words i don't have it in that way like the lyrics from Robert.


Yes, Robert has beautiful eyes :)
But i also think he is charming. We call it in German Charmbolzen, it's not meant bad, it's a very positive word  :)




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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2007, 10:40:01 »
The GOD/Messiah thing is a joke! Come on, man!
You know it's not literal...people call Bowie a god all the time! And Iggy Pop!

yes of course i know people can be (half) joking with comments like that. yet i also do know some people (i don't mean anyone here by the way) who don't seem to say it as a joke - because they get instantly mad if you say something even tiny bit negative about their "god". anyway. i didn't mean to critisize what you said. i only meant to say that i've never been comfortable with elevating my own idols in such a way. because even when some people say they don't fully mean it (that someone's god), there's still something behind it that remains very distant and strange to me. i'm not sure but maybe it's because so it's not criticism towards you or anyone else. actually it's more about the whole business: i've alway disliked this the need to elevate successful/interesting people that seems to be in-built in all popular genres (+other fields of the popular section, movies etc.). as we know, it can be observed at its most ridiculous with all the charts crap - that music is utter shit and there's no art in it whatsoever, and the way the people performing that shit look like, how cool and sexy they appear on their latest shit music video becomes more important. ok, we all know this of course. but what i'm saying, there's this need to elevate people at its most blatant form. we are "suppose" to look up to these people just because they've been elevated for us (heh there's one form of "ready-made art"!), even though their actual output is utter shit. and ok you can say bowie or iggy pop or robert smith have nothing to do with those crap "artists". musically they surely don't have, but the same tendency to elevate them remains whatsoever - because it seems to be part of "behavior model" of the popular genres or something like that. now, i can't change that and i'm not even saying i'd want to change it and i'm not even critisizing anyone who does - because obviously it's something that's more or less in-built there, whether or not we liked it or whether or not it was really important. all i'm saying i never felt the need to jump this train myself, and personally i think it's not important or interesting field to venture, whether as a joke or in earnest.
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Come on, man!

ok this might be just another proverb too, but anyway by the way, i'm a woman, not a man. ;)
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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2007, 18:21:05 »
I call everyone man and dude. I'm 15, it's the way I talk normally, so I type that way.
I'm also not jumping any trains, I just consider Robert Smith as an idol.

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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2007, 19:19:18 »
I call everyone man and dude. I'm 15, it's the way I talk normally, so I type that way.
I'm also not jumping any trains, I just consider Robert Smith as an idol.

ok ok, the dude comment was more like a (failed?) joke from my part - i know what you mean/meant.

about this whole thing, i said it once and i'll gladly repeat it: i didn't intend my original comment as criticism towards anyone. anyone can call RS as he likes and like him so much as to wanting to call himself god or something else - i don't mind and it's perfectly ok for me.
and again, my reference to jumping some trains wasn't meant to be taken as criticism. maybe you can think of my comment as an attempt for a conversation about this topic, rather than something more or less insulting/sneering(?). because that's what it was meant to be: i honestly think it would be an interesting subject to discuss the various aspects of idolizing - and really not about some "wrong" ways or "right" ways to idolize someone/something. it was not about "who's better", but about discussing the whole concept, the whole phenomenon. i honestly think it would actually be very interesting subject: how we all relate to someone we idolize and what "idolizing" really stands for for all of us? because i think there are more than six different ways there. ;)
and personally, i see it an interesting subject also because so much that whirls around the genres of popular culture is actually quite dependant on it, so it's something that truly exceeds outside the music itself. then again, there are some other genres (in music and in other arts) where this doesn't really take place/isn't considered as essential. so the whole concept, or should i say "process" of idolizing is somewhat different there.
so again, i hope you didn't take anything i said as an insult, since i certainly never meant it that way.
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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2007, 21:14:16 »
robert smith The GOD/Messiah ?? hhahahah ay wich drug are u using dude. haha
Oh that boy is a slag the best u ever had , the best u ever had is just a memory and those dreams but weren't daft as they seem , not as daft as they seem..oh my love when u dreamed them up..oh flo where did u go .. oww ohh(F.A)
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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2007, 04:50:20 »
Oh, I'm not offended in the slightest bit. I just come off as being offended most of the time because I'm generally a rude person (and also self-admitting too...)

By idol, I mean I look up to him because of the music he has made, the image (or anti-image) he has created, his mannerisms, his personality, everything. Nothing creepy...You might never see it as I do.

Every fan has to idolise SOMETHING about him, right? Or am I just dillusional? Because I feel like I'm being laughed at. And that last comment was rude, THAT did offend me. Sort of a troll-like comment.
The only drugs I'm on are anti-depressents and stress-relievers. But I get what you meant, and I don't think one needs to be on drugs to find him a god of some caliber. It's not in the literal sense that he holds godlike power, but his power is the music he makes, the message he puts out there.

I think to be a fan you have to be kind of obsessive...that to me is a part of fandom. And only until you personally bother the one you idol does it ever become serious. It's just as many worshipped Johnny Cash in the day. I don't think anybody was sacrificing first born male children for him, but they certainly did get moved buy his music...unfortunately I never did. Not like Robert...


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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2007, 05:44:40 »
I don't think that there's anything wrong with being a bit obsessive over your favourite band; it's perfectly normal. It's when people start deluding themselves that the band members have feelings for them or that the band is communicating directly with them via their songs that problems arise...

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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2007, 10:14:29 »
yes i think being a fan means a certain kind of dedication, maybe i wouldn't say it's obsession in every case but something in that direction. anyway, being a fan doesn't mean you have to idolize someone as a person or something in a person who creates the thing you're into (in this case, music). i'm personally not interested in robert smith the man - maybe at some distant point i used to be in some extent, but older i get less it really interests me at all. to be honest, today i don't care how he looks or how and what he thinks or says about things nonrelated to his own music, where he lives and what he does in his spare time etc. yes i still read what he says in interviews because it might be something interesting IF he's talking about his music!). but i personally don't feel the need to idolize his manners or his personality - and to be honest, how could i because i don't even know him. so in fact, i think better to talk about the fans idolizing the image of him than really him. because after all, as we very well know, we don't know the real him.

one possible reason behind why i don't need to idolize/elevate anyone is maybe because generally speaking i pretty much hate most kinds of hierarchizations and "this one's better than that" kind of categorizations. there are surely cases where this can be done (and even easily), but in the end i don't think it's a very interesting point to observe the world, organizing various things into categories according to their "value". yes you can surely find out a lot about something just by comparing it with other more or less similar things - but making comparisons are not the same as categorizing. when you're making comparisons, you're moving in a flexible space where the relativity of everything is kept in mind and maintained - if i strive towards categorizing things only, i lose the sense of relativity and thus my perception actually gets blurred. i think this is important (at least for me) because there's relativity in everything in this world. i've never found anything under the sun that was simply absolute, now and forever. maybe sometimes for a short time, in some exact moment i have felt "this is it!" about some things, but it never lasts. so relativity reigns, change is always present (or at least it has to be taken into consideration as a possibility, however remote it might seem), everywhere you look it is this way....

maybe that tells more about my world-view in general than about idolizing/being a fan in particular. anyway, it think it  might explain something.
i think you can also be a fan without really idolizing anyone - i mean, without idolizing the person. you can simply like the music somebody makes without any interest to the person who did it - it doesn't mean you were less (or more!) interested in it than someone who's idolizing the person too. it's not a measure of being more dedicated than someone else is - because people can be dedicated in many ways. hell, i've even known a person long ago who really seemed to idolize robert smith without even liking his music at all! so there we go...
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Re: But the same image haunts me...
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2007, 15:28:58 »
The eyes, definately my favourite. The lyrics, always. The music, such a combination.
 Although those eyes, the way he looks away, and makes you want to see his next expression~ Thats what is just so amazing to me. I was almost blinded by the lights at the concert in Melbourne, I didnt want to blink, I just wanted to watch every move and every facial expression.
He completely captivates me. He gives you only a glimpse into his soul, then makes you curious for more. Until finally it is Never Enough. :smth023

 

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