Album news from Robert

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japanesebaby

Quote from: nausearockpig on September 19, 2008, 12:00:14
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 19, 2008, 10:04:46
Quote from: DJFreekSh0w on September 19, 2008, 08:36:59
Quote9/15/2008 9:18:09 PM  - by CURE:ROBERT

(ALTHOUGH SOMETHING OF A PROBLEM WITH THE VINYL ART AT PRESENT AS IT APPEARS TMU'S FAVOURED PRINTERS 'CAN'T PRINT COLOUR INSIDE BAGS'...LEADING ME TO WONDER WHY THEY WOULD BE A RECORD COMPANY'S FAVOURED PRINTERS... ??? ANYWAY... )

that must be a joke or... :eek:
once again robert, just as soon as humanly possible make sure you jump that joke ship called universal!
:-D

i like the idea that there will be no special editions anywhere. everyone can enjoy the same album and a lot of people will save their money, not having to buy some zimbabwean pressing too just because of one extra song.

f*cking Oath!
:-D
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

moutheyesheart

Quote from: revolt on September 19, 2008, 11:01:09
Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 18, 2008, 21:58:42
I see all you moaners here beeing at odds with the band whenever they try to make  an album which means not the darkest and most hopeless work in music history.


Well, you see badly... Maybe that pair of sunglasses you wear at the end of your message needs some cleaning?  :twisted:

I'm a fan of TIB, The Top and KMKMKM, none of which is "the darkest and most hopeless work in music history". So your reasoning there fails.

I just think that if The Cure can't write really good pop songs anymore - and that seems to be the case at least since "The 13th" - then they should go instead for harder/darker/trippier stuff. Simple as that. But if a new silly pop song comes along that sounds really good, then I'll be the first to say "release it now!".

Cleaned my sunglasses and saw you not at the guys I was spoken to. Now just clean yours and look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever... And finally I'm NOT with you as I love the WMS Singles (if they'd also lift "Return", would have made their best single for, well...a long long time) I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one? TEOTW sounded brilliant, the new ones do (even if the production is open to dispute). So, it's not that I don't like BF or whatever you could call 'darker/harder/trippier stuff'. I really really adore it...in the rancorous moments of life. But If I'm jumping for joy  it uses to sound so booooooringly serious and I go listen to 'the 13th' and adore it :P

Usually for sure I'm able to hear both as I feel both - happy and sad at the same time and thus, I use to enjoy everything. I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again so I would lost my loopy-swingy-funky-fancy-dancy-cure :smth041

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revolt

Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44
look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever...

I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again


Well, I don't think that there is anyone here that only likes the dark stuff. And even if there is someone like that, it will be a small minority, clearly not enough to enable you to talk of some "consensus" on this matter.



Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44

I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one?

Well, writing a really good pop song is probably MORE DIFFICULT than writing a good serious dark song. It requires a spontaneity, a sort of joyful moment of inspiration that just cannot be summoned at your own will. That is, you cannot just write a good pop song because you have decided to. Whereas with more serious stuff, it is possible to get there through sheer effort... That is, if you try hard enough you will eventually come out with something interesting - maybe not a masterpiece, because that would also require true "magical" inspiration, but at least something worthwhile.

Lostflowerboy

Quote from: revolt on September 17, 2008, 11:35:46
I always try to look at positive aspects

Thanks, that made my day!  :lol:

On topic: It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason. Fine. But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.

Lostflowerboy

Quote from: moutheyesheart on September 19, 2008, 13:54:44

Cleaned my sunglasses and saw you not at the guys I was spoken to. Now just clean yours and look at the consensus most peple here wanting them to realease uuuuuuh dark stuff forever and ever and ever... And finally I'm NOT with you as I love the WMS Singles (if they'd also lift "Return", would have made their best single for, well...a long long time) I really do have no idea why they should have unlearnt writing pop songs. you have one? TEOTW sounded brilliant, the new ones do (even if the production is open to dispute). So, it's not that I don't like BF or whatever you could call 'darker/harder/trippier stuff'. I really really adore it...in the rancorous moments of life. But If I'm jumping for joy  it uses to sound so booooooringly serious and I go listen to 'the 13th' and adore it :P

Usually for sure I'm able to hear both as I feel both - happy and sad at the same time and thus, I use to enjoy everything. I was just complaining about those who wish them to be never write a happy pop song again so I would lost my loopy-swingy-funky-fancy-dancy-cure :smth041

Couldn't agree more!  :smth023

revolt

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason.

That's not true. I have always "accepted" that many fans like the new singles. I just don't share their opinion.


Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00

But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.

Well, I could just use that same kind of reasoning and say that they aren't "good" just because you like them.

They are "bad" FOR ME. Well, not really bad, just average.

japanesebaby

Quote from: revolt on September 19, 2008, 18:25:33
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00
It would be nice if you'd finally accept that many fans like the new Singles. You don't do for whatever reason.

That's not true. I have always "accepted" that many fans like the new singles. I just don't share their opinion.


Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 17:56:00

But these songs aren't "bad", just because you don't like them. Try to get that point.

Well, I could just use that same kind of reasoning and say that they aren't "good" just because you like them.

They are "bad" FOR ME. Well, not really bad, just average.

points well made. it always baffles me how people who like the songs should feel somehow irritated/bothered about some other people not liking them (or the other way round, just as well). because it's not some sort of "whose opinion should rule?" contest here, and there's no universal "point" out there that anyone "should get".

i believe that at all times the most fruitful conversation springs from people going a bit further/deeper and discussing why they like or dislike something, the reasons behind their impressions - and in such a conversation it's actually more or less completely irrelevant whether everyone mutually agrees liking something or not!
i don't think it ever was a requirement for  conducting/participating on a fruitful and interesting conversation that people first need to have the very same likes/dislikes. actually, the more diverse opinions we have, the more potential there is for an interesting conversation and exchange of ideas.
and the way i understand conversation, it's not about trying to make people to agree with you or me or anyone.

i'm not saying this to irritate anyone. i just find it a bit odd, that we should focus on this at all. why don't we discuss the whys behind our likes (or dislikes) instead of wondering "how come someone doesn't agree with me?"? why get bothered by it at all?

Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

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Lostflowerboy

I'm always open to discussing the new material, if that discussion doesn't change it's focus on the production and sound quality latest after the second post.  ;)

So, let's get it started:

The only one (8/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure Single: catchy, dreamy and memorable.
I like:
That "High" sound and atmosphere
Robert's enthusiasm in singing
The lyrics

I don't like:
The chorus
That "love love love" - part

NY Trip (10/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure B-Side: Odd, odd, odd
I like:
The melody
Robert's singing is soooo emotional
The changes of mood
The wah wah guitar (!!!)
I don't like:
---

Freakshow (7/10)
The most interesting single since "The 13th". Very danceable and groovy.
I like:
Robert's singing is again - as for all new releases so far - just great.
That echo-piano break (1:37)
The beat

I don't like:
Well, I feel like something else should happen in that song. A change of keys? A chorus?

All kinds of stuff (6/10)
Nice noisy rock piece, but actually it has to mess with "A Japanese dream" and scores only second then.

Sleep when I'm dead (7/10)
Reminds me a lot of the 85-87 (well, the demo is from back then) stuff and does pretty well with it's catchy melody and dramatic. But it's 2008, so the production should be more "in your face" (louder wah wah's and drums). Nevertheless, I would've killed for getting such a song e.g. in 2001 instead of "Cut here" or "Just say yes". Anybody would, right?

Down under (10/10)
Another perfect B-Side: Chaotic and melodic, dreamfull and freaked out - all at once and within 3 short minutes. Makes me want to jump all over the place. Reminds me a lot of those fantastic "Mint Car" B-Sides. Btw, Robert can't write another "Pornography" today? Well, he should've tried to write that song in 1982.  ;)

The perfect boy (9/10)
Judging from the melody the most impressive of the singles and overall the strongest of the four. An impressive proof that Robert still can write pop tunes on the same level as between 1985 - 1992, if you ask me. I personally would like to see more sound gimmicks and keyboard effects being added to the song. Sounds too striped down. Again, the improvement is astonishing if I compare this song to stuff like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "Taking off".

Without you (8/10)
Would've been a better choice as an album track, because it lacks the chaotic creativity of most b-sides. Still, after getting used to that strange verse melody I find this song very impressive, not only because of the 3/4 rhythm. File between "The big hand" and "Pictures of you".







Pushkina

I just love the 'HA! OR NOT SO HA' thingy, hehe, so Robertish. Just hope the new album to be well worth the long wait.
Those who try to please All please None

revolt

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 11:40:45
I'm always open to discussing the new material, if that discussion doesn't change it's focus on the production and sound quality latest after the second post.  ;)

So, let's get it started:

The only one (8/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure Single: catchy, dreamy and memorable.
I like:
That "High" sound and atmosphere
Robert's enthusiasm in singing
The lyrics

I don't like:
The chorus
That "love love love" - part

NY Trip (10/10)
Exactly what I expect from a Cure B-Side: Odd, odd, odd
I like:
The melody
Robert's singing is soooo emotional
The changes of mood
The wah wah guitar (!!!)
I don't like:
---

Freakshow (7/10)
The most interesting single since "The 13th". Very danceable and groovy.
I like:
Robert's singing is again - as for all new releases so far - just great.
That echo-piano break (1:37)
The beat

I don't like:
Well, I feel like something else should happen in that song. A change of keys? A chorus?

All kinds of stuff (6/10)
Nice noisy rock piece, but actually it has to mess with "A Japanese dream" and scores only second then.

Sleep when I'm dead (7/10)
Reminds me a lot of the 85-87 (well, the demo is from back then) stuff and does pretty well with it's catchy melody and dramatic. But it's 2008, so the production should be more "in your face" (louder wah wah's and drums). Nevertheless, I would've killed for getting such a song e.g. in 2001 instead of "Cut here" or "Just say yes". Anybody would, right?

Down under (10/10)
Another perfect B-Side: Chaotic and melodic, dreamfull and freaked out - all at once and within 3 short minutes. Makes me want to jump all over the place. Reminds me a lot of those fantastic "Mint Car" B-Sides. Btw, Robert can't write another "Pornography" today? Well, he should've tried to write that song in 1982.  ;)

The perfect boy (9/10)
Judging from the melody the most impressive of the singles and overall the strongest of the four. An impressive proof that Robert still can write pop tunes on the same level as between 1985 - 1992, if you ask me. I personally would like to see more sound gimmicks and keyboard effects being added to the song. Sounds too striped down. Again, the improvement is astonishing if I compare this song to stuff like "Cut here", "Just say yes" or "Taking off".

Without you (8/10)
Would've been a better choice as an album track, because it lacks the chaotic creativity of most b-sides. Still, after getting used to that strange verse melody I find this song very impressive, not only because of the 3/4 rhythm. File between "The big hand" and "Pictures of you".




That´s a good post, I admit it. However my opinions differ JUST A LITTLE... I haven't much time right now, so I'll just focus on a few points.

For me, "The Only One" is only moderately catchy and memorable. More B-side-catchy than of hit-quality. And I think The Cure needed a real hit now. Also, "High" was goodish but inferior to what I expect from Cure singles - only the Higher mix delivered in this respect.
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.

I think the "oddity" of the B-sides is only relative. They sound a bit chaotic because of a certain lack of focus and memorability, but it's not like The Cure are being experimental, forward-looking or anything.

I have also a problem with Robert's singing: yes, it's been said before, it's too high in the mix. But it's not only that - it seems to me that he is almost over-singing, giving too much expression to what basically are very ordinarish tunes.



Lostflowerboy

Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.
I can't think of any classic Cure pop song that has a chorus at all. :?

Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
I think the "oddity" of the B-sides is only relative. They sound a bit chaotic because of a certain lack of focus and memorability, but it's not like The Cure are being experimental, forward-looking or anything.

At least "NY Trip" and "Without you" go, where no Cure song has gone before.



revolt

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 24, 2008, 09:41:27
Quote from: revolt on September 22, 2008, 17:40:53
On a more general note: pop songs MUST have choruses that are at least as memorable as the verses. That is actually the First Unwritten Law of the Pop Song.
I can't think of any classic Cure pop song that has a chorus at all. :?

In Bewteen Days. The Lovecats. Fire in Cairo. Lovesong. It's true however that many of their pop songs escape a clear traditional verse-chorus-verse structure... Sometimes what we could perhaps call chorus is a just a melodic guitar theme, with no vocals (like in "Just like heaven")....

nausearockpig