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Other Artists / Re: Currently Listening to
« Last post by chemicaloverload on December 09, 2018, 00:12:10 »
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Other Artists / Re: Currently Listening to
« Last post by chemicaloverload on December 08, 2018, 17:19:16 »
The Glove- Looking glass girl
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I am a long time Cure collector with a few holes in my collection. Currently I am looking for Latin American 2013 shows (alternate rare versions) as well as early Cure 1979-1996. My list consists of 100's of mostly low gen / master shows and right now I am only interested in trading. Please email your list directly to me.
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by chemicaloverload on December 08, 2018, 01:03:46 »
You love Scotland and its people Ulrich ;) :kissing_closed_eyes:
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by chemicaloverload on December 08, 2018, 00:58:28 »
...I know what u mean. My Scottish parents are not fans of Ms Thatcher.  By shutting down the ship building on the Clyde so many people lost their jobs, and in many families (including mine) it led to families needing to leave their homeland to find jobs elsewhere.



Absolutely WOAW. She didn’t care what she was doing and it’s the same with May, so many families are struggling now and with no where to turn to. It’s awful. Big Jezza finally brought up the UN rapporteurs findings in parliament and she just point blank refused to acknowledge it.
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by Ulrich on December 07, 2018, 17:05:19 »
Sorry for off-topic, this is turning into the history channel here!

For me, it is George W. Bush jr. who'll be remembered as the "war-monger". His dad wasn't the perfect US president, but much better than his offspring!!

...I really don’t think it can rightly be attributed to him.

Yes, he was president and yes, it can't be attributed only to him, but he was an important factor, as West Germany still had lots of US troops stationed here and the U.S.A. were the most important and powerful partner in the NATO.

Of course Mr Gorbatchov and many others were heavily involved too! Our country needed the support of these "partners" to be able to erase the "iron curtain".

...my understanding is that there was growing frustration in East Germany, and it got to the point where people were pushing for freedom, it was gonna happen no matter what, it wouldn’t be tolerated any longer.

That's right, something had to be done. The government of East Germany decided to allow "free travelling" (i.e. opening the borders and thus "destroying the wall"). This however did not lead automatically to a "unification" of the 2 states, this was the result of long negotiations with Gorbatchov, Bush & Co.
(Maggie T. was against it, Bush & co. somehow managed to persuade her.)

But, we may not forget, on June 17th 1953 Russian tanks put an end to a similar thing:
https://www.planet-wissen.de/geschichte/ddr/geteilte_stadt_berlin/pwiejunideraufstand100.html
A smilar thing happened in Prague in 1968.
 :1f62a:
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by word_on_a_wing on December 07, 2018, 14:01:18 »
About Germany, ok while he may have been US president when this was happening I really don’t think it can rightly be attributed to him.
...my understanding is that there was growing frustration in East Germany, and it got to the point where people were pushing for freedom, it was gonna happen no matter what, it wouldn’t be tolerated any longer. And let’s not forget the role of the Bowie! 😝
https://www.wearethemighty.com/music/david-bowie-berlin-wall?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by word_on_a_wing on December 07, 2018, 13:46:07 »
Look, I’m no expert on this area, and perhaps I’ve been watching too many Michael Moore documentaries, but there really is something fishy that BOTH Bush presidents were involved in.  ...and I think it’s still going on today and involving some of the US-Saudi arabia goings on. 
Also...how about Halliburton and how going to war would be in their financial interests!?

I stand by my statement that George Bush in my mind relates to war. I still recall sitting watching the Gulf War on the news when I was about 10y/o, the first time I’d ever seen anything like this, in confusion why anyone would take part in such things.
...and then it seems he bestowed such values to his child

I find it all pretty hard as my values involve overcoming obstacles and challenges through compassion and understanding. ...But towards people like this I find it hard to do this
 😡
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Other Artists / R.I.P. Pete Shelley
« Last post by Ulrich on December 07, 2018, 10:57:41 »
Sad news: Pete Shelley (from the Buzzcocks) has died.  :1f62a:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/06/pete-shelley-lead-singer-buzzcocks-dies-suspected-heart-attack/

(Side note: I always felt some early Cure songs like "Object" or "It's not you" aspired to the Buzzcocks' sound, as they were one of Robert's favourite "punk" bands.)
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Something else / Re: Currently Watching (Documentaries)
« Last post by Ulrich on December 07, 2018, 10:38:38 »
I love Scotland.  :heart-eyes

It’s perhaps similar to the funeral for George Bush ...in my mind all I associate him with is war.

Maybe you mistake him for his son? The "older" George Bush did start a war against Iraq, but at least it was "only" a reaction to their occupation of Kuwait (back in 1990/91). (Unlike the 2003 war, which was a reaction to Saddam Hussein thinking about dealing oil without using the dollar...)

As a president, he was one of the leaders who enabled the unification of the two German states. Not too bad.
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