A Strange Day vs. The Hanging Garden

Dillinger · April 16, 2007, 02:33:17

ha, dont worry. its good that the board can have a few really active topics.

i dont mean that i wish it was a worldwide no.1 album that won all the awards just that it deserved the respect and "fame" that pornography, 17 seconds, faith get.

and i agree its easier and more rewarding to convert people on a one to one bases. so far 3 or maybe 4 have been cured, 3 have become white stripes (my other true love) fans, one an avid one, a few dirtbombs fans, velvet underground, the smiths... its very rewarding

japanesebaby · April 16, 2007, 02:36:54

Quote from: farquad92 on April 16, 2007, 02:33:17
its good that the board can have a few really active topics.

i agree. although the alarming thing might be that it looks like we must be the only two people left alive in here... :roll:

Quote from: farquad92 on April 16, 2007, 02:33:17
i dont mean that i wish it was a worldwide no.1 album that won all the awards just that it deserved the respect and "fame" that pornography, 17 seconds, faith get.

i guess that will come with time. i don't think pornography and 17 seconds got their reputation overnight either. 2000 is still rather recent, maybe...(?) so maybe there's nothing to be worry about.

Quote from: farquad92 on April 16, 2007, 02:33:17
its very rewarding

ahhh yes, brainwashing other people -- nothing more rewarding than that! :twisted:

japanesebaby · April 16, 2007, 02:42:21

Quote from: farquad92 on April 16, 2007, 02:33:17
so far 3 or maybe 4 have been cured, 3 have become white stripes (my other true love) fans, one an avid one, a few dirtbombs fans, velvet underground, the smiths... its very rewarding

i have a friend who pretty much only likes madonna in earnest, nothing else much (ok please don't ask me how... i'm not responsible for it!)
anyway, i've recently decided (just by myself - she doesn't know it yet hehehe :twisted:) that such an outrageous thing has got to change and that i'll make her a NIN fan -- it's surely going to be some task... but i'm on it! wish me luck! hehehe

Dillinger · April 16, 2007, 02:46:15

yes the forum has seemed a little quiet today, i havnt seen david on msn the last few days either.

good point about it being a recent album, hopefully in 10 years time it will be one of the first the next generation of fans buy

haha i hope you can achieve it! i turned the local posh no-it-all into a cure fan when she kept bugging me on msn in a group convo and me and a friend were talking about pornography (the album that is) so i sent her hot hot hot!!!. she claimed to not like it, then 2 weeks later "actually i really like it now"

i told her to buy the greatest hits which she did and i think she has kmkmkm now too. its just a shame i dont like her

japanesebaby · April 16, 2007, 02:56:20

Quote from: japanesebaby on April 16, 2007, 02:36:54
re****tion

whoaaa! i wrote such a dirty word i got cencored!
r-e-p-u-t-a-t-i-o-n - oooh it's got to be almost as bad as saying EM-PEE-THREES used to be on "certain" other site

(i can hardly make enough LOLs here -- LOL!!)

japanesebaby · April 16, 2007, 02:57:36

Quote from: farquad92 on April 16, 2007, 02:46:15
its just a shame i dont like her

yet another one:

Dillinger · April 16, 2007, 03:03:25

i think you are bored as i am.

well its 2 o clock now, i have to be up in 4 and a half hours and i got the first of 4 days of exams tomorrow so i best be off. wish me luck!

p.s japanese baby, check out my thread i made tonight in this section with no replies. i would think its something you would discuss

japanesebaby · April 16, 2007, 03:07:06

good luck!

&

ok i will - tomorrow.

Bloodflower · April 16, 2007, 08:11:27

rjl · April 16, 2007, 19:27:51

BF = underrated? Hell no. It took a while to grow on me, and allthewhile, it was as if I was missing out on something that was pretty clear to everyone. As if I could listen it, but still not hear "the greatest album ever" (okay, that's a little hyperbole). Now, after some years (I think it was with the release of Trilogy, so three), I've finally come to like it / be able to put it on and listen end to end.

Now, The Top, on the other hand... I've always felt that was criminally underrated by fans... both as an album, and as an important step in the Cure's development...

Any how, as far as Cure albums go, with the exception of the first album and The Top (yes, I love it to death, but it jumps around a bit.. esp. "The Wailing Wall". Doesn't fit! At least after Birdmad...), they've been wonderfully consistent "albums".

The Cure, from Seventeen Seconds onward, are one of the few bands who perfectly adhere to the "album" concept... The album as the entire work, one that happens to be made up of individual songs, and not the reverse (a bunch of songs slapped together and -- erroneously, IMO -- labeled an "album"). That's what I detest about a lot of the local bands here (and other places, I am sure). Once they have 10 or 12 songs, they think that they have an album. At best, it's a disjointed compilation of their past year's studio output.

It's great that they have been able to put out albums, and have some songs rise to the surface as useable singles, instead of a) compiling a random suckfest as described above, or b) piecing together a great album, and then inserting a completely out-of-place song to use as "the single".

And it's quite admirable that some really great songs have fallen by the wayside, as they wouldn't quite "fit" on the album. However, I still fail to see how "The Exploding Boy" couldn't have been on The Head on the Door (instead of, say "Six Different Ways"...), and how "This Twilight Garden" couldn't have been on Wish, as stated somewhere above.

rjl · April 16, 2007, 19:29:55

Also, as far as singles/radio play for BF songs, I remember hearing "Last Day of Summer" on a radio station, while out to lunch with a friend a few months after the album's release... I wasn't even paying attention, and he pointed it out, asking "Hey, isn't that the Cure?" And it wasn't even our (now-ultra-ultra lame) "alternative" station here...

Janko · April 16, 2007, 22:24:27

Quote from: japanesebaby on April 15, 2007, 23:50:10
well i'm aware it's maybe a sort of easy thing to say since it doesn't really crave any imagination from me, but i've always been very happy with the idea of 'bloodflowers' being an album without singles. i somehow feel this gives it a sepcial kind of stature, almost like self-confidence as an album - it's doesn't need any singles to advertise itself, it's perfectly ok in its very own both strong and calm way without any tracks being ripped from the structure. surely, it's filled with gorgeous songs, many of which would apparently "made great singles", but they are even better when they are kept in the context of the album. surely they would have beaten most of the other songs out there in radio play at that time by the terms of quality of the songwriting itself, but still none of the songs is shouting out "i'm a great single, look at me!"
i think the decision not to put out any singles was a very good one, and in perfect harmony with the nature of the album.
why would it need any singles?
don't get me wrong but i get the same feeling as every time when people talk about certain B-sides and say this or that song "should have been an A-side". like there was some sort of hierarchy where being a B-side means the song was somehow neglected. the same with singles: i don't think some songs very accidentally neglected (or on purpose either) when they maybe weren't released as singles. i don't think this is true at all. robert often talked about this, how and why he chose the certain songs on this or that album and why some songs (that were often even recognized as being far superior songs by him too!) were left out. like why 'wendy time' was on 'wish' and 'this twilight garden' wasn't. i think he had perfectly reasonable ideas behind this, since he was always thinking about the album structure as a whole, how to make it work the best possible way as an album. so i don't think he neglected anything or missed noticing some songs had potential, but it was a conscious choice.
well ok, the choice of singles was sometimes not his choice but also maybe dictated by the record label. so in that respect it's maybe a bit different... but anyway, i don't feel any need to regret that there were no singles released from 'bloodflowers'. it's not a fixed question of value. and i don't know why singles should even be compulsory - the album structures/contexts are different: for some albums the "producing of the singles" come naturally, for others it doesn't. and i don't think 'bloodflowers' has this "single mentality" on it.
and yet, this is definitely more like a strenght than a weakness, imo.
so, no singles for me, please.

(i also think it was only good that 'spilt milk' was released completely separately from 'bloodflowers'. it wouldn't have been comfortable on the album anyway - especially if they had put it in just to have one song with "single quality". it would have been totally obvious and would have felt out of place, breaking the arch of the rest of the album.)

NO, I AM NOT HAVING REGRETS AND I'M NOT THINKING THAT "BLOODFLOWERS" WERE BAD ALBUM
GOD FORBID!

I'M JUST SAYING THAT THOSE SONGS ARE THE SINGLE MATERIAL AND IF THERE WERE SINGLES THESE SONGS WOULD MAKE GOOD EXAMPLES

ALSO, "NO SINGLES" POLICY IS A BIT WACKY BECAUSE "BLOODFLOWERS" PROVED TO BE JUST ANOTHER ALBUM:

NOT THE LAST
NOT TOO CONCEPTUAL(AT LEAST IT WASNT "HERMETIC" LIKE "DISINTEGRATION")
NOT THAT COMPACT ("DISINTEGRATION" IS FAR MORE COMPACT AND IT HAD SINGLES)
...

AND ALSO - HAVING SINGLES MEANS HAVING AIRPLAY WHICH MEANS MORE PROMOTION AND THEN MORE CD'S GET SOLD AND EVERYONE IS HAPPY...

Cure · May 03, 2007, 19:28:18

r there any singles from the new cd goin 2 b releashed?

Janko · May 03, 2007, 22:53:52

Quote from: Cure on May 03, 2007, 19:28:18
r there any singles from the new cd goin 2 b releashed?

ARE THEY RECORDED?!

:(

lostflower4 · May 06, 2007, 13:57:29

Quote from: rjl on April 16, 2007, 19:27:51
BF = underrated? Hell no. It took a while to grow on me, and allthewhile, it was as if I was missing out on something that was pretty clear to everyone. As if I could listen it, but still not hear "the greatest album ever" (okay, that's a little hyperbole). Now, after some years (I think it was with the release of Trilogy, so three), I've finally come to like it / be able to put it on and listen end to end.

It took a LONG time for Bloodflowers to grow on me. I remember driving all the way out to the mall the morning it was released, only to put the CD on and think "WTF is this???"

It just sounded so weird to me. Too different, too modern-sounding. I just didn't like it. I don't even think I gave it a full listen. Just some songs here and there, but it just didn't grab my attention at all.

I was so disinterested that I failed to notice that a tour was coming up. It all just passed me by until I started getting really interested in band again toward the end of 2002.

Then one day I gave Bloodflowers another listen, and I liked it much more. I heard some live versions too, and I realized it actually had some really good songs. It sounded more and more like The Cure after all.

I still don't think it's the greatest album in the world, but I've definitely come to respect it and genuinely enjoy it. I guess I kind of went though a similar thing when Wild Mood Swings came out â€" although for some reason I actually listened to that one a lot more.

Hmmm... I guess this doesn't really have much to do with the title of this thread, but this just reminded me of some things.