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Title: released demos (new)
Post by: DJscribbles on September 18, 2008, 04:54:07
the first time these songs have been released to the public come from exploding boy's site: www.thecurerarities.blogspot.com/


thanks for sharing exploding boy
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43
Dig that bass in Strum! Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic.

I hope at some point we get recordings of these songs without the crackles and pops, but for now, this is great. Thanks a lot, Scribbs.

EDIT: Just played around with a playlist of the 2004 sessions in iTunes.

Lost
Before Three
Truth Goodness And Beauty
The End of the World
Strum
Please Come Home
Anniversary
A Boy I Never Knew
Labyrinth
Your God is Fear
This Morning
The Promise

That would have made the best album since Disintegration, you ask me. Dammit Robert, why can't you tracklist an album anymore?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: DJscribbles on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54
hey there bloodflower!

oh crap! i havent been here for so long i totally forgot we couldnt upload mp3s... someone please convert to flac,  i got no idea how to do it!
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 18, 2008, 07:07:17
Quote from: DJscribbles on September 18, 2008, 05:43:54
hey there bloodflower!

oh crap! i havent been here for so long i totally forgot we couldnt upload mp3s... someone please convert to flac, 

no no, you should never convert something lossy to flac: once it's mp3s then it's mp3s. it doesn't magically turn to lossless anymore. mp3s converted to flac is the worst thing you could do because it would be fake lossless.

i think the question here is if these were originally made available in lossless or not. 
so what's the source?

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: maluflower on September 18, 2008, 07:08:30
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43EDIT: Just played around with a playlist of the 2004 sessions in iTunes.

Lost
Before Three
Truth Goodness And Beauty
The End of the World
Strum
Please Come Home
Anniversary
A Boy I Never Knew
Labyrinth
Your God is Fear
This Morning
The Promise

That would have made the best album since Disintegration, you ask me. Dammit Robert, why can't you tracklist an album anymore?

Yes, so true... :)

All of these are very beautiful, I especially love Please Come Home... wow, what an incredible track. It reminds me of Bloodflowers at certain points.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: DJscribbles on September 18, 2008, 07:21:41
MALUFLOWER!! (big hugs)

japanesebaby - i swore not to tell, but i always reupload in original format, no matter what. it was mp3 to begin with :)
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 18, 2008, 07:25:25
sorry DJ but i just noticed the links you've put up also link to a lot of officially released cure material (such as regular album tracks) in mp3s.

this is unrelated to the demos of course but sorry such links to officially released material are not ok here. :!:
if something is available officially, people should support the band and go buy themselves a copy.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: DJscribbles on September 18, 2008, 07:29:42
japanese baby i'll delete my links and reupload to somehwere else FAR AWAY from those links, sorry!! i forgot divshare links to your other uploads, i was just looking for a place to store my stuff from cd to computer. *deletes links*

ah ok, i see its already been done. now i know not to post on divshare, ill move the songs to dropio

done:
http://drop.io/2004demos
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: tigermilk on September 18, 2008, 09:47:34
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43
EDIT: Just played around with a playlist of the 2004 sessions in iTunes.
Lost
Before Three
Truth Goodness And Beauty
The End of the World
Strum
Please Come Home
Anniversary
A Boy I Never Knew
Labyrinth
Your God is Fear
This Morning
The Promise

Yeah nice list!  :smth023
Although I'd take off 'Your God Is Fear' and add 'Fake' and 'Going Nowhere'.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: crowbi_wan on September 18, 2008, 20:55:42
Quote from: tigermilk on September 18, 2008, 09:47:34
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43
EDIT: Just played around with a playlist of the 2004 sessions in iTunes.
Lost
Before Three
Truth Goodness And Beauty
The End of the World
Strum
Please Come Home
Anniversary
A Boy I Never Knew
Labyrinth
Your God is Fear
This Morning
The Promise

Yeah nice list!  :smth023
Although I'd take off 'Your God Is Fear' and add 'Fake' and 'Going Nowhere'.

I agree that Fake and Going Nowhere should be a part of the album.  It's funny how just a few changes can totally give the album a completely different vibe.  And think about some of the setlists that would have come from such an album.  Damn you Robert!     
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Janko on September 18, 2008, 23:02:22
Yeah!

I downloaded this couple of days ago (when did this leak anyway?!) and Ilove it!
My files have plenty of static but it's still listenable!
As far as I know this was always MP3 file.

Great songs!
I thought this is gonna be THE REALLY DARK AND BROODING STUFF because the Robert said they canned the really dark songs from 2004 album. But these two (Strum and Please come home) are not that bleak. Strum is rather poppy...

:smth023
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: dsanchez on September 19, 2008, 02:05:17
Sorry but mp3 material is NOT allowed on Curefans.com, unless is a material shared by The Cure directly (as, for instance, "love will tear us apart" and etc..)

I was talking to some staff members and we will do an exception here as it seems these songs are currently only available as mp3.

About exploding boy's complain for not crediting him (?) for these songs, I understand these have been floating around in very small circles for a while.  (just look at the date it was created...all the way back in March).
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: exploding boy on September 19, 2008, 05:55:28
yes but anybody sharing in anyone forum , check in all the forums like ceho , hispacure , and mfc.
i dont post in your forum ,but its mp3 files,
but anyway , no have problem , but if im sharing someone song from you forum ,and no name the source , you have the scream in the sky no?
example : you the last year screming to delete a song from my blog (im take from you forum) recorded in mexico ,you rembember this?
i dont have problem to sharing music with everybody , example check my blog.
thanks

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 19, 2008, 09:55:56
Quote from: exploding boy on September 19, 2008, 05:55:28
but anyway , no have problem , but if im sharing someone song from you forum ,and no name the source , you have the scream in the sky no?
example : you the last year screming to delete a song from my blog (im take from you forum) recorded in mexico ,you rembember this?
i dont have problem to sharing music with everybody , example check my blog.

exploding boy,
i do remember various kind of issues we've had with you sometimes:

- the file had been posted here by somebody who has clearly asked everyone not to post it anywhere else by that time, but you've posted it in your blog nevertheless

- the file had been shared here in lossless (flac) and the member who posted has asked everyone not to convert to mp3s, but you have nevertheless put it in your blog in mp3s

- also, we cannot have links to blogs that share mp3s and especially not to blogs that share officially released material. so please do not advertise such blogs here. especially, sharing officially released material is not ok, everyone who calls themselves a fan should go and buy the official releases instead. it's not a question of  "i just want to share music with everybody", it's a question of respecting the band that made the music.


i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "no name sources": if you ever download something from here, you can always see which member originally posted it. i don't think that kind of source is a "no name source"(?). but perhaps i misunderstood you there.
in general i think it is good manners to credit the sources, not just grab the stuff and go. that's good manners.
there are cases when crediting the source is easy: like if someone uploads a master recording. like david said above, in cases like these demos it's more difficult because it's nobody's master copy. stuff that has been floating around for long and nobody knows where it originated. who to credit then?
(and no offense but you have also grabbed stuff from this forum and shared it on your blog and have not credited the original uploader either. like that mexico incident you mentioned if i'm not mistaken.

anyway, next time, let us credit the sources - when we can/when we know them.)

ps. and what comes to the thread here, at least i asked for the source from the original thread starter but if you see the thread above  he/she said "i swore not to tell" the source. how to know when people say that because they were really asked to say so or because they just want to cover their tracks? i'm not implying it was either way, just saying that for the rest of us it's impossible to know at that time.

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: sues777 on September 19, 2008, 12:25:35
I downloaded this yesterday and have been listening to it all day...GREAT STUFF!!! 

Quote from: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43
Dig that bass in Strum! Fantastic, fantastic, fantastic.
oh yeah...
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: exploding boy on September 19, 2008, 14:38:25
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 19, 2008, 09:55:56
Quote from: exploding boy on September 19, 2008, 05:55:28
but anyway , no have problem , but if im sharing someone song from you forum ,and no name the source , you have the scream in the sky no?
example : you the last year screming to delete a song from my blog (im take from you forum) recorded in mexico ,you rembember this?
i dont have problem to sharing music with everybody , example check my blog.

exploding boy,
i do remember various kind of issues we've had with you sometimes:

- the file had been posted here by somebody who has clearly asked everyone not to post it anywhere else by that time, but you've posted it in your blog nevertheless

- the file had been shared here in lossless (flac) and the member who posted has asked everyone not to convert to mp3s, but you have nevertheless put it in your blog in mp3s

- also, we cannot have links to blogs that share mp3s and especially not to blogs that share officially released material. so please do not advertise such blogs here. especially, sharing officially released material is not ok, everyone who calls themselves a fan should go and buy the official releases instead. it's not a question of  "i just want to share music with everybody", it's a question of respecting the band that made the music.


i'm not entirely sure what you mean by "no name sources": if you ever download something from here, you can always see which member originally posted it. i don't think that kind of source is a "no name source"(?). but perhaps i misunderstood you there.
in general i think it is good manners to credit the sources, not just grab the stuff and go. that's good manners.
there are cases when crediting the source is easy: like if someone uploads a master recording. like david said above, in cases like these demos it's more difficult because it's nobody's master copy. stuff that has been floating around for long and nobody knows where it originated. who to credit then?
(and no offense but you have also grabbed stuff from this forum and shared it on your blog and have not credited the original uploader either. like that mexico incident you mentioned if i'm not mistaken.

anyway, next time, let us credit the sources - when we can/when we know them.)

ps. and what comes to the thread here, at least i asked for the source from the original thread starter but if you see the thread above  he/she said "i swore not to tell" the source. how to know when people say that because they were really asked to say so or because they just want to cover their tracks? i'm not implying it was either way, just saying that for the rest of us it's impossible to know at that time.

good , byee
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 18:17:14
Wow, these songs are fantastic. Getting three unreleased Cure songs on a single day - feels like christmas and having a date with Scarlett Johansson at once.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: revolt on September 19, 2008, 18:29:38
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 18:17:14
Wow, these songs are fantastic. Getting three unreleased Cure songs on a single day - feels like christmas and having a date with Scarlett Johansson at once.

If you had a date with Scarlett on christmas day you would probably find that most places you would want to take her to would be closed...  :twisted:
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Oso Blanco on September 19, 2008, 23:52:42
Quote from: dsanchez on September 19, 2008, 02:05:17
Sorry but mp3 material is NOT allowed on Curefans.com, unless is a material shared by The Cure directly (as, for instance, "love will tear us apart" and etc..)

Maybe you can ask Robert to give us some FLAC versions of those songs? Until then I suppose that nobody should share them because they are lousy MP3 files? Yeah, better keep new songs and demos to yourselves because the FLAC nazis are on the road again.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What the f*ck? Be happy that those tracks have surfaced at all!!!
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 00:03:41
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 19, 2008, 23:52:42
Quote from: dsanchez on September 19, 2008, 02:05:17
Sorry but mp3 material is NOT allowed on Curefans.com, unless is a material shared by The Cure directly (as, for instance, "love will tear us apart" and etc..)

Maybe you can ask Robert to give us some FLAC versions of those songs? Until then I suppose that nobody should share them because they are lousy MP3 files? Yeah, better keep new songs and demos to yourselves because the FLAC nazis are on the road again.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What the f*ck? Be happy that those tracks have surfaced at all!!!

well oso, if you see above you should see that david edited his post and crossed out that part of his post.
you removing the line crossing out that text in your quote doesn't exactly change it and by doing so you're simply misquoting him yourself.
and since you don't even have anything else to say (about the demos themselves), i'm just wondering what the point of your post actually was (once again)?
:roll: :roll:


and sorry but to use the word "nazi" that way is just plain thoughtless and ignorant (sorry but it is). strange, do you know what that word stands for?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: crowbi_wan on September 20, 2008, 00:28:06
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 00:03:41
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 19, 2008, 23:52:42
Quote from: dsanchez on September 19, 2008, 02:05:17
Sorry but mp3 material is NOT allowed on Curefans.com, unless is a material shared by The Cure directly (as, for instance, "love will tear us apart" and etc..)

Maybe you can ask Robert to give us some FLAC versions of those songs? Until then I suppose that nobody should share them because they are lousy MP3 files? Yeah, better keep new songs and demos to yourselves because the FLAC nazis are on the road again.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What the f*ck? Be happy that those tracks have surfaced at all!!!

well oso, if you see above you should see that david edited his post and crossed out that part of his post.
you removing the line crossing out that text in your quote doesn't exactly change it and by doing so you're simply misquoting him yourself.
and since you don't even have anything else to say (about the demos themselves), i'm just wondering what the point of your post actually was (once again)?
:roll: :roll:


and sorry but to use the word "nazi" that way is just plain thoughtless and ignorant (sorry but it is). strange, do you know what that word stands for?

My thoughts exactly!

We have a rule against sharing lossy material unless that is the only available format.  So, until a lossless version of the tracks surface we are okay with what has been posted.

And that FLAC nazi comment...classy  :smth011

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: tigermilk on September 20, 2008, 04:54:21
Quote from: revolt on September 19, 2008, 18:29:38
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 19, 2008, 18:17:14
Wow, these songs are fantastic. Getting three unreleased Cure songs on a single day - feels like christmas and having a date with Scarlett Johansson at once.

If you had a date with Scarlett on christmas day you would probably find that most places you would want to take her to would be closed...  :twisted:

I'd definately learn how to cook the best home-cooked meal I could if Scarlett was coming over, and I'd light some candles to set the mood. Ahh it's nice to dream. :-D
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 08:36:16
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 00:03:41
well oso, if you see above you should see that david edited his post and crossed out that part of his post.

I know, but the fact that he had written something like that in the first place says everything about what's going on here. Instead of being grateful that those tracks have been posted at all, he starts bitching about them being lossy. Am I the only one who realises how insane that is?

Those are leaked studio tracks, how can we expect them to be perfect and lossless? People who leak unreleased stuff usually don't give a f*ck if the files are lossy or not. And if all we do is complaining about MP3s, people will simply stop leaking alltogether! And I wouldn't blame them.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 09:11:07
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 08:36:16
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 00:03:41
well oso, if you see above you should see that david edited his post and crossed out that part of his post.

I know, but the fact that he had written something like that in the first place says everything about what's going on here. Instead of being grateful that those tracks have been posted at all, he starts bitching about them being lossy. Am I the only one who realises how insane that is?

first you even admit that you intentionally modified someone's post in order to make it look bad - so that you can get an excuse to lash people(!).
nobody here has said they don't appreciate to hear these tracks! so sorry but we don't need you to come here and tell us we need to appreciate them. try to see this.

"if all we do is complain about mp3s" - seriously, if that is ALL that you see in this forum...! :roll:
you can only see one thing because you only choose to see one thing. that's called something like intentionally limited vision.

your only reason for coming here seems to be so that you can get an opportunity to call some people nazis, call them insane and tell how you don't give the f*ck about some principles this forum has. and you misquote posts just to make it fit your own ideas/your own purposes(!). :smth011 unfortunately we're all too familiar with this approach form you in the past, so this hardly does surprise anyone (sadly).

lastly: if you have some problem with the person who made that post (the post you felt so keen to modify to make fit to your own ranting purposes), please take it over to pms or something and please stop wasting the time of all the rest of the forum. 
this thread is for perople who want to discuss the cure, not for some personal vendettas/complaints for the complaints sake etc.
period.

:roll:
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 10:56:42
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 08:36:16
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 00:03:41
well oso, if you see above you should see that david edited his post and crossed out that part of his post.

I know, but the fact that he had written something like that in the first place says everything about what's going on here. Instead of being grateful that those tracks have been posted at all, he starts bitching about them being lossy. Am I the only one who realises how insane that is?

Those are leaked studio tracks, how can we expect them to be perfect and lossless? People who leak unreleased stuff usually don't give a f*ck if the files are lossy or not. And if all we do is complaining about MP3s, people will simply stop leaking alltogether! And I wouldn't blame them.

Osi, you're so damn right.
:smth023
Some of these guys are around here really don't see the forest because of too many trees these days (like we say over here). I'd wish we could get back the good old curiosity.de days, don't you?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 11:04:38
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 09:11:07

"if all we do is complain about mp3s" - seriously, if that is ALL that you see in this forum...! :roll:

I'm sure he also sees people stating that they can't listen to the new material without PAIN in their ears because of the sound quality.
Btw, the band should stop releasing pop songs IMMEDIATELY!

But I'm glad to see more and more users around here complain about the overall atmosphere in this forum. Back in the days people  went nuts about leaked unreleased demos, today they (or should I say 2-3 very active users here) complain about the sound quality. That's completely insane.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 11:41:22
@lostflowerboy: i find it truly odd that you cannot bear some people not agreeing with you. why is that?
what is so wrong in people writing their honest impressions? why does it insult you so much that some people don't agree with you?

band should stop releasing pop songs immediately? why? i don't understand you.

and look, nobody forces anyone to visit this forum - or any other forum either. so what's the problem here exactly? :?:



Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 12:03:18
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 11:41:22
@lostflowerboy: i find it truly odd that you cannot bear some people not agreeing with you. why is that?
what is so wrong in people writing their honest impressions? why does it insult you so much that some people don't agree with you?

That's not true, dear. I'm fine with anybody liking/or disliking the material. But some of the comments on the songs are not only very harsh but also very intolerant. TO ME it's also quite obvious that in many cases these oppinions are not based on the quality of the songs by themselfes but on the mislead expectation of wishing another Disintegration. So it's not the oppinion by itself that I have my problems with, but these "wrong" expectation that they're based on.
And for the production & mp3 discussions here. Again, I'm fine with anybody disliking the production of new cure songs and on the other hand trying to keep the level of floating material high, but those minor aspects have become a sort of religion for some guys around here. I'm sick of that, that's all. So I don't even have a different oppinion concerning that sound issue, but it's so oddly overfocussed in this forum and I should be allowed to state that, don't you think?

Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 11:41:22
and look, nobody forces anyone to visit this forum - or any other forum either. so what's the problem here exactly? :?:

Well, that's always a solution, but actually I'm glad to finally having found a vital cure forum and will not leave it that easily just because you want me to. Maybe you are a having a problem with my oppionions instead?   



Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 12:30:07
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 12:03:18
That's not true, dear. I'm fine with anybody liking/or disliking the material. But some of the comments on the songs are not only very harsh but also very intolerant. TO ME it's also quite obvious that in many cases these oppinions are not based on the quality of the songs by themselfes but on the mislead expectation of wishing another Disintegration.

ok in order to get somewhere here (instead of just going round and round): could you perhaps give some examples?
and especially, what makes you think people wish for another 'disintegration'? where is this impression of yours really based on?

from my part i can say that i truly do NOT wish another 'disintegration'. why on earth would i want another 'disintegration'? that would be going to the past whereas every artists should always look into the future. that's very clear. like said by someone else here before, the cure is such a magnificent band that we've grown to expect the best and nothing but the best from them. but "the best" does not  mean "i want another disintegration". there's a world of difference there.

and simply to say "i like the cure's old stuff more than the new" is not basis enough to say "ok this person obviously wants another disintegration". those are two different things.
but perhaps you can point out some more exact examples, to shed a light on your impression.



Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 12:03:18
And for the production & mp3 discussions here. Again, I'm fine with anybody disliking the production of new cure songs and on the other hand trying to keep the level of floating material high, but those minor aspects have become a sort of religion for some guys around here. I'm sick of that, that's all. So I don't even have a different oppinion concerning that sound issue, but it's so oddly overfocussed in this forum and I should be allowed to state that, don't you think?

production is a minor aspect? not at all. good production is everything! just go ask any musician, anyone who's been in the studio and ever recorded anything. a good producer cannot turn shit to gold but a bad producer can ruin perfectly good music. the fact that a lot of people here have said that they enjoy the live versions of the new songs (=therefore they are saying that they actually DO like the new stuff) but are not perfectly happy with the studio singles speaks for itself, doesn't it? (and i think we can find lots of comments like that on this forum (and not just coming from some 2-3 people but from a broad selection of fans).


about something being "overfocused" here in general: in general, people here are welcome to discuss what they feel is necessary and important to discuss. there are no official opinions here and nobody is forced to agree with anyone. therefore i don't think we can say something is "over focused": just as long people have grounds to write their impressions and they can give some reasoning behind it, they can write it out.

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 12:03:18
Well, that's always a solution, but actually I'm glad to finally having found a vital cure forum and will not leave it that easily just because you want me to. Maybe you are a having a problem with my oppionions instead?   

sorry, i would want you to leave? :?: please, i NEVER said that! so please let's not put such words into each others mouth here ok?
that was NOT a personal comment/suggestion to anyone. i simply mean that if (and i mean if) someone feels they don't like it out here then there's nothing wrong with that and there's no reason to get one's blood pressure up because of it. and look, i was mainly referring to mr oso's kind of approach there: people coming here and intentionally misquoting someone in order to get some fuel for their ranting - what's the point of that? if you don't have anything else to say then why bother yourself with it at all? that was all i meant: if you see someone having nothing much more to say that "this place sucks!" then i think it's a natural question to think "then why come here? why not take it easy instead and do something else?". that is NOT the same as saying "we don't want you here". everybody is welcome here (OF COURSE) but we also expect people to have decent manners - which means no insulting on purpose, no lashing out, no trolling etc. :!:

i'm not sure why you think i'm being hostile towards you (just because i have a different opinion on the new releases?)?  :smth017
sorry but i almost feel like you were intentionally looking for a conflict here(?) - which i don't think is necessary at all.
i really don't think i ever posted anything like "hey your opinion sucks, you're wrong" etc. or did i? sure, i've said that i don't agree with you about this or that, but that's hardly nowhere close to the same. and what's so awful about that, about disagreeing? that's just conversation, having different opinions!
why should we all think the same??


truly, i am baffled why people feel so threatened just because there are other people in the forum with different sort of opinions.
what's there to be threatened about?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 13:09:35
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 12:30:07
truly, i am baffled why people feel so threatened just because there are other people in the forum with different sort of opinions.
what's there to be threatened about?

Maybe that's because some people around here (especially you) come across as quite intolerant when it comes to other people's opinion. You are bombarding people with xxl posts and accusations when nobody even asked for your opinion. I'm sure that Señor Sanchez doesn't need a spokesperson, he could have defended himself if he had wanted to.

You are attacking me as a matter of principle, no matter what I say. It seems that you only tolerate people when they agree with you. Criticism must not be tolerated, right?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 13:16:41
By the way, the production (or is it the mastering) on the new singles really IS horrible. It seems that they are trying to win the loudness war so desperately that they are willing to take the risk of deafening their fans. There is absolutely no dynamic range, it really does hurt my ears ... especially The Perfect Boy.


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Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 13:24:53
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 13:09:35
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 12:30:07
truly, i am baffled why people feel so threatened just because there are other people in the forum with different sort of opinions.
what's there to be threatened about?

Maybe that's because some people around here (especially you) come across as quite intolerant when it comes to other people's opinion. You are bombarding people with xxl posts and accusations when nobody even asked for your opinion. I'm sure that Señor Sanchez doesn't need a spokesperson, he could have defended himself if he had wanted to.

You are attacking me as a matter of principle, no matter what I say. It seems that you only tolerate people when they agree with you. Criticism must not be tolerated, right?

you have my further reply on a pm because this thread is for discussing the demos, not anyone's (=your) personal problems.

i'll just remind you that you're the only one here so far calling people nazis and insane. nobody else did. so the reason you've been asked to stop is because your conduct is intentionally ill-mannered and equals to trolling by now.

opinions and suggestions are always welcome here, but complaints that merely are motivated by getting a chance to lash out others or complain for the complaining's sake are not. any further comments you keep putting up that stay on this path and which are only clearly aimed to distract this thread further will be removed.

if you have some personal problems with some individual members, take it over to pms (like was already suggested to you once) and please stop wasting everyone's time in public.



**edit: we mean it, oso. stop posting insults on this forum.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 12:30:07

ok in order to get somewhere here (instead of just going round and round): could you perhaps give some examples? and especially, what makes you think people wish for another 'disintegration'? where is this impression of yours really based on?

Sure, I'll try. It's interesting to see how many people get freaked out about every recent tune that sounds just slightly like it maybe a rest over from the 1989 era (Underneath the stars, Your god is fear, Going nowhere), whatever the qualitiy of those tunes may be when it comes to creativity or inspiring lyrics. Not to mention that (relative) hysteria that breaks out everytime Robert mentions the possibility of an upcoming dark album. To me it seems that when it comes to rating songs some people (maybe without realizing) weight the mood over the quality (how ever that is to be defined) of the songs. Not to mention the various "This would be the perfect 2000-2008 album - lists" that get published here. They would exactly look similar if the question would be "name all 2000-2008 songs that get closest to the sound/mood of Disintegration".
I don't want to insult people with that theory, it's just meant to make them question their expectations towards new Cure releases. Besides that everybody is free from liking or disliking songs and I'm glad this forum isn't made of a bunch of Robert ass-lickers.  ;)

Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 12:30:07
about something being "overfocused" here in general: in general, people here are welcome to discuss what they feel is necessary and important to discuss. there are no official opinions here and nobody is forced to agree with anyone. therefore i don't think we can say something is "over focused": just as long people have grounds to write their impressions and they can give some reasoning behind it, they can write it out.

The best example of what I mean with "overfocused" was just given in these days: A bunch of unreleased Cure demos show up and ...guess what...we have a two page discussion about wether the link should be removed because the demos are only available as mp3s. That's ridiculous, in my oppinion. People got to set their priorities right, that's all. As Oso B. pointed out: Go and ask Robert for flac versions of those songs. Come on, don't tell me that you don't understand my point on that issue of techncial aspects being "overfocused" on this example.

And I don't feel like somebody here is insulting me or trying to be hostile and I hope that nobody gets the impression of me. I'm here to discuss with other fans of my favourite band and enjoy that.

To sum it up and make myself clear: I highly appreciate everybodys oppinion, but still I'd like to raise my impressions:

- Some people here rate songs rather by their mood and atmopshere (the closer to Disintegration, the better) than by their quality. The reviews that will hopefully given here about the new album soon, will prove me right or wrong with that.   

- Some people here tend to be to much focussed on technical aspects. Give me a spontanous review and reaction the next time when unreleased Cure demos show up instead of asking for flac versions and I'm proved wrong with that.  ;)

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 14:10:38
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 13:24:53
**edit: we mean it, oso. stop posting insults on this forum.

I did not insult anyone. I only posted a quote about the consequences of censorship.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:12:19
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 13:24:53
**edit: we mean it, oso. stop posting insults on this forum.
Just a minor point, but maybe it will help calming down the moods a little bit:
The term "nazi" has in Germany become a term for people who are very narrowly focussed on a point and have a strict attitude towards something. E.g. a "Garten-Nazi" is somebody who gets upset about all the grass in his garden not having the exact same lenght and therefore spend 4 hours a day in their garden to care for it.
So a "nazi" isn't necessarly implying that somebody has a fascist attitude.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 14:28:36
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
Sure, I'll try. It's interesting to see how many people get freaked out about every recent tune that sounds just slightly like it maybe a rest over from the 1989 era

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
Not to mention that (relative) hysteria that breaks out everytime Robert mentions the possibility of an upcoming dark album.

relative hysteria? sorry but aren't you exaggerating a bit there? where in the forum was this?
and all in all, what i actually meant was that could you please give some direct links to posts where people say all that about "wanting to have a new disintegration"?

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
I don't want to insult people with that theory, it's just meant to make them question their expectations towards new Cure releases.

but isn't the whole point of it being a good thing that we're having different opinions here? if we didn't have all the various opinions we wouldn't be engaged to discuss it much at all. but discussion doesn't mean that we would need to make other people agree with me, turn them on our side. why should we?

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
Besides that everybody is free from liking or disliking songs and I'm glad this forum isn't made of a bunch of Robert ass-lickers.  ;)

at least we agree on something. ;)



Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
The best example of what I mean with "overfocused" was just given in these days: A bunch of unreleased Cure demos show up and ...guess what...we have a two page discussion about wether the link should be removed because the demos are only available as mp3s. That's ridiculous, in my oppinion.

the thread is two pages long but again i think it's exaggeration to say that all of it is talking about mp3s. sure, this has gone all derailed lately, as we've had our resident troll in action here. and yes that's too bad. too bad this thread got all ruined.

i'd just like to point out why i made any mp3 related posts there:
1) i was asking about the source - i wasn't saying "mp3s suck, let's have flac". i was curious about the source, where these came from. i assume other people might have been curious too so it's not completely irrelevant part of the conversation and not just "some technical issue".

2) my second post was necessary because the original links pointed to a site with official cure releases. we can't have things like these on this forum, simple as that. therefore i don't think it was not just some idle technical issue either.

anyway, that's all about that.

what comes to the definition of the word "nazis": since you too already said this thread is getting ridiculous, then why don't we all focus on the demos and the discussion about then for the rest of this thread?
:)


no more trolling posts or posts/comments about trolling here. 
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: exploding boy on September 20, 2008, 15:50:26
cmoon people, its the cure, sounds good in flac mp3 wma cassette vinyl magazine and every f*cking format, relax enjoy the songs, its the cure songs!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: nausearockpig on September 21, 2008, 07:20:25
So anyway I hear that there are some old songs suddenly leaked.....

Please Come Home: yeah understated beginnings as Crobi said somewhere, but a very nice chorus, reminds me of Bloodflowers not 2004's "The Cure" which sounded to me, like a whole bunch of unfinished songs...

Strum: again this sounds like a Bloodflowers era song, but one that's been given the 2004 treatment. Saying that though it sounds nice. I like it and wonder what it could have been...

A Boy I Never Knew: I love the piano [or whatever it is] in there. Can't say I care much for the live versions that I've heard so far.. looking forward to the album version.. Just getting to the end of this song now, f*ck!! that's powerful...

Shame about the diginoise though, esp in A Boy...
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 21, 2008, 09:11:43
For the moment I love that diginoise, 'cause it reminds me of the bootleg B-Side collections that were essential before Joint the dots came out. Especially "A chain of flowers" had a lot of distortion.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: sues777 on September 21, 2008, 14:40:47
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 21, 2008, 07:20:25
So anyway I hear that there are some old songs suddenly leaked.....

Please Come Home: yeah understated beginnings as Crobi said somewhere, but a very nice chorus, reminds me of Bloodflowers not 2004's "The Cure" which sounded to me, like a whole bunch of unfinished songs...

Strum: again this sounds like a Bloodflowers era song, but one that's been given the 2004 treatment. Saying that though it sounds nice. I like it and wonder what it could have been...

A Boy I Never Knew: I love the piano [or whatever it is] in there. Can't say I care much for the live versions that I've heard so far.. looking forward to the album version.. Just getting to the end of this song now, f*ck!! that's powerful...

Shame about the diginoise though, esp in A Boy...

I can't believe how much I'm loving these - I've basically been listening to them on repeat all weekend. 

Please Come Home - classic guitar sound.  Simple drums but very effective.  Love the way it builds into the chorus which is just fantastic.   Musically great, vocally brilliant, powerful, emotional, gorgeous.  I agree it has a bit of Bloodflowers vibe to it, but to me it has more of 'an edge', is a little more guitar driven and therefore for me fits better with the 2004 stuff..

Strum - almost a pop song compared to the other two, but I love that about it.  GREAT bass line and sound, nice and bright.  Keyboards are quite subtle(?) and help give it a 'lighter' sound.  Love the vocals - right up front and quite 'pure' to me, sounds quite light on effects(?), but then again the diginoise makes it's really hard for me to say with any certainty.  Yeah, agree this one's definitely been given the 2004 treatment..

A Boy I Never Knew - I'm actually surprised this one's surfaced.  After all that was written about it around the time the 2004 album was released, I somehow didn't think it would...I think it's beautifully intricate - lots of different guitar and drum layers and is that a keyboard way in the back in parts?  Love the acoustic on the left and the electric that cuts in on the right during the chorus.  And the voice...jesus..so, so powerful, so beautiful.  I was actually listening to this on the iPod while doing the grocery shopping this afternoon and almost had 'a moment'...Gorgeous, just gorgeous....

Having said all that, I'm not a musician and I know my ear's not as good as it used to be, so I'm just going on gut feel and these tracks really make me feel.  And that's more important to me than saying they're technically great/perfect/whatever...   
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Secrets on September 21, 2008, 16:18:11
I wouldn't deconstruct these songs too much as they sound very much like studio demos.  The spirit of the songs are there, but they lack the finesse and polish of a properly produced album track (though that *was* the vibe of the last album).
They certainly do have a lot of promise though.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: dsanchez on September 21, 2008, 16:56:38
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 13:09:35
I'm sure that Señor Sanchez doesn't need a spokesperson, he could have defended himself if he had wanted to.

I have no Internet access at home till tuesday so if any of the staff members speak in behalf of me meanwhile, I am very ok with that (thanks japanesebaby)

I just want to remind that as in any community, we have certain rules:

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,4197.0.html

One of these rules state clearly "no mp3". Thats why I deleted the links to the demos: because they were mp3. I didnt know it was the only source available.

Then (minutes later) some staff members told me about this particular situation and I explained that given this case, the mp3 were ok. So simple as that. I dont know why something so simple became a discussion of two pages instead of focusing in the songs themselves.

Lets back to the topic.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 21, 2008, 17:27:25
just something small about the arrangement of 'a boy i never knew': i find it somehow curious that the background keyboard melody on harmonium is double with a keyboard/piano-ish sound. whereas all the rest of the song sounds pretty finished to me, that detail is something i find very demo-ish - like they couldn't really make up their mind which one to use, piano or harmonium.
if i could choose (which i won't) i could actually think of the song withou that piano sound, just with the harmonium. i think that suits the song very well.

i really like 'a boy i never knew'. both this version and the live versions. :D


too bad for the diginoise but what can you do. better this than nothing.
however i suppose i don't get that nostalgic surge as to me it doesn't sound at all like those cozy little pops and clicks that those vinyl transfers were full of  (and that's cozy, really ;)). it's clearly just digital static and therefore a pity. anyway.





Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: scatcat on September 21, 2008, 17:52:18
Quote from: Oso Blanco on September 20, 2008, 14:10:38
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 20, 2008, 13:24:53
**edit: we mean it, oso. stop posting insults on this forum.

I did not insult anyone. I only posted a quote about the consequences of censorship.

,,,  :roll:  why? ;

1. YOU CREATE TENSION WITHIN THIS CUREFAN SITE: RE: YOUR OBVIOUS DISLIKE OF THE BAND

2. ALTHOUGH WE TOLERATE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS, AND CELEBRATE THIS , YOU OBVIOUSLY HATE THIS BAND AND INTENTIONALLY JUST POST , IN ORDER TO P**SS PEOPLE OFF.

3. YOUR INPUT IS TRULY SAD, AND VERY UNORIGINAL.

4. YOU ARE WASTING SPACE, TIME , AND IF YOU DO HAVE ANY TALENTS AT ALL... TAKE THEM ELSEWHERE!!

:twisted:
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 22, 2008, 08:32:00
What a rubbish. Oso Blanco is a long time member of the cure online community since about 2001/2002. He's always been a critical person towards the band, but also a true fan.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Bloodflower on September 22, 2008, 08:40:32
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 22, 2008, 08:32:00
What a rubbish. Oso Blanco is a long time member of the cure online community since about 2001/2002. He's always been a critical person towards the band, but also a true fan.

Oso was a jackass.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 22, 2008, 11:01:28
@everybody: come on guys, for the last time:

you've all been asked for this several times, so now let's talk about the demos, let's tlak about the cure, let's stay on-topic. and if anyone still wants to continue this damn useless arguing, do it someplace else/via PMS, NOT on this thread.

people complain that this thread is silly because people don't talk about the subject matter (=the demos), that people look past everything important (the music): and yet at the same time they also keep derailing this even further (by keeping this all off-topic). so come on, everyone should go look into the mirror and take a time out here. 
so no more arguing like this, please. either we all go back on-topic or we forget this whole damn thread altogether.

:!:



Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: DroidAKov on September 22, 2008, 11:07:42
Been listening to these demos since they (re?)surfaced, pretty much on repeat in preparation(drum roll)for the new album.

Although it appears none of these will be included on the new album I am pleased these particular tracks were not simply used to make up numbers as b sides on the recent singles.

A Boy I Never Knew....well what to say that hasn't already been said, people lucky enough to hear it on tour probably didn't realise just HOW lucky they were considering it was thought to be on this album.  Also lucky due to the fact I'm of the opinion the live rendition to be better, which for me is the case with most Cure releases these days.  Possibly also because its at the demo stage.

Please Come Home might not be everybodies 'cup of tea' but I have to say, to me its fantastic and would like to see it released(possibly without the 'assistance' of Universal!)in the future along with ABINK. 
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: nausearockpig on September 22, 2008, 12:55:04
maybe these will make it onto the "darker" album RS has promised or alluded to??

Jesus!! no wonder soooo many people are holding back a lot nowadays around here. I just took couple of mins to count the On and Off topic posts and what i considered On & Off or too hard to categorise and these, ladies and gents are the results:

On Topic: 17
Off Topic: 27
On/Off too hard to work out, gave up: 5

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: billee on September 22, 2008, 14:01:19
I'm so glad these "treasures" have surfaced.

Been listening to Please Come Home over and over.

:D
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Secrets on September 22, 2008, 15:46:53
Quote from: nausearockpig on September 22, 2008, 12:55:04
maybe these will make it onto the "darker" album RS has promised or alluded to??


Please Come Home and Strum could be something, could be nothing. But the fact Boy was excluded, really points to something along these lines IMHO, and I'm not one to get excited about Cure releases this last decade. Fans like it; Rob likes it. So where is it?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: figurehead on September 22, 2008, 16:10:38
I just downloaded them.
Let's listen...
Hmmm...
'Please Come Home' sounds so...
(it makes me want to cry,maybe cause it is raining now...)
Thanks a lot for sharing those gems.
'figie'
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: dsanchez on September 22, 2008, 22:33:09
"Please come home" is sooo amazing. The boys are going to give us the best album in years I think. Awesome, just awesome. Does everybody here agree that those songs could have been without problem a 1992 b-side?
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lady on September 22, 2008, 23:32:54
Quote from: dsanchez on September 22, 2008, 22:33:09
"Please come home" is sooo amazing. The boys are going to give us the best album in years I think. Awesome, just awesome. Does everybody here agree that those songs could have been without problem a 1992 b-side?
Yes, I agree completely! Please come home is the best new song for me!! I'm listen to that right now...I almost cry! THIS IS DEFINETELY THE CURE THAT I WANT!!!! :smth049 :smth007
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 23, 2008, 08:38:49
Now tell me I was wrong  :-D

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 20, 2008, 14:06:31
It's interesting to see how many people get freaked out about every recent tune that sounds just slightly like it maybe a rest over from the 1989 era (Underneath the stars, Your god is fear, Going nowhere).

But always great to see some enthusiasm among fans. I think all three songs are above the level of the 2004 album so I really wonder why they didn't make it.
For the 2008 release I'd prefer a double album with all kinds of emotions on it, instead of finally getting a pop album and a dark counterpiece. But I can still compile that for personal use.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: revolt on September 23, 2008, 11:14:30
Quote from: dsanchez on September 22, 2008, 22:33:09
"Please come home" is sooo amazing. The boys are going to give us the best album in years I think.

Are you talking about the forthcoming dark 2009 album?  ;)
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: dsanchez on September 23, 2008, 11:22:49
Quote from: revolt on September 23, 2008, 11:14:30
Are you talking about the forthcoming dark 2009 album?  ;)

they delayed again the release date? :eek: :P
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 23, 2008, 15:44:34
Quote from: dsanchez on September 23, 2008, 11:22:49
Quote from: revolt on September 23, 2008, 11:14:30
Are you talking about the forthcoming dark 2009 album?  ;)

they delayed again the release date? :eek: :P

why not? i think we'd all be shocked if they really started releasing anything in time... ;)
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: disintegration on September 23, 2008, 16:04:08
WOW!!!!! Please come home is a very beautiful song, with dark sound! I love it!!!  :smth060
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: silversand on September 23, 2008, 19:04:47
Quote from: japanesebaby on September 23, 2008, 15:44:34
Quote from: dsanchez on September 23, 2008, 11:22:49
Quote from: revolt on September 23, 2008, 11:14:30
Are you talking about the forthcoming dark 2009 album?  ;)

they delayed again the release date? :eek: :P

why not? i think we'd all be shocked if they really started releasing anything in time... ;)





:smth081 Yes, we maybe will be shocked if that would be happening!!
(http://www.smilies.4-user.de/include/Schock/smilie_sh_023.gif) (http://www.smilies.4-user.de)

I love the three demos!!! Please come home is such a beautiful song, so moving i think :)
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: rjl on September 25, 2008, 17:34:45
Am I missing something (or just plain retarded), or are these no longer on the site/blog? If I'm mistaken, please correct me... as I'd love to hear these......
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: revolt on September 25, 2008, 18:22:05
Quote from: rjl on September 25, 2008, 17:34:45
Am I missing something (or just plain retarded), or are these no longer on the site/blog? If I'm mistaken, please correct me... as I'd love to hear these......

Here are the You Tube links:


http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=HfRdc2op25E&feature=related

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=GwKaQ_zUnM8

http://mx.youtube.com/watch?v=N3AqqhwgHb0

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on September 25, 2008, 21:21:20
Quote from: rjl on September 25, 2008, 17:34:45
Am I missing something (or just plain retarded), or are these no longer on the site/blog? If I'm mistaken, please correct me... as I'd love to hear these......

just go back a bit, the link's here --> http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5578.msg56044.html#msg56044

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: rjl on September 25, 2008, 21:32:31
Okay, so it was just me.  :-D

Thanks!
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: curevideo on September 26, 2008, 10:53:11
Hi,

well it seems that I have been out of date for to long. Just discovered the Demos and have to say that I am absolutely touched by all 3 songs. Especially "please come home" imo is so impressive and will make it into my top 10 cure songs...even if the quality is not the best and still "demo" type...I don´t care!
I remember back to 1986, when I was first listening to the Riveside version of "Siamese Twins"...it was immediately my favourite cure song...even if my TDK tape version was crap....
That´s why I have been loving the cure for many years (since 1984): they are always able to surprise me. Can´t wait for the new album (and some shows?)...

Cheers,
S.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: nausearockpig on September 26, 2008, 11:52:04
i f*cking love these songs... so wish that they were the new singles
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Lostflowerboy on September 26, 2008, 14:15:46
It's a pity that the band doesn't dare to release a sad song as a single any more? Or did they ever? "To wish impossible things", "Jupiter Crash", "There is no if...", "Please come home", all would've been great singles.  :cry:
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: revolt on September 26, 2008, 15:54:24
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on September 26, 2008, 14:15:46
It's a pity that the band doesn't dare to release a sad song as a single any more? Or did they ever?

They did: "Charlotte Sometimes"... I think "Pictures of You" and "A Letter to Elise" may be considered as well.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: rjl on September 26, 2008, 17:13:05
Wow... Strum = awesome.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: becomingwater on October 09, 2008, 07:50:09
Is it possible to clean up the static?  Just curious. :)

The songs are awesome.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on October 09, 2008, 08:03:02
Quote from: becomingwater on October 09, 2008, 07:50:09
Is it possible to clean up the static?  Just curious. :)

not perfectly and/or without damaging/muffling up the original anyway, i fear. it's not constant buzzing that stays similar throughout but full of different clicks and rustles.

also, the thing is that it's in mp3s: there's no audio editor i know of that would let you remaster a compressed stream.
that's one main reason why lossy compression sucks, imo.


Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: becomingwater on October 09, 2008, 08:45:12
Thanks
japanesebaby

Hopefully they will release a single or b-side of 'a boy i never knew' :)
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: japanesebaby on October 09, 2008, 08:49:02
Quote from: becomingwater on October 09, 2008, 08:45:12
Hopefully they will release a single or b-side of 'a boy i never knew' :)

i'm also waiting for better quality versions to surface, in time.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Janko on October 09, 2008, 17:57:29
Apparently a studio (allegedly a demo) version of Underneath The Stars leaked/got played on french radio:


http://www.radiofrance.fr/franceinter/em/cestlenoir/playlists.php


So, album just might be finished already...

:D
Title: Still Dreaming . . .
Post by: figurehead on October 09, 2008, 18:01:58
Well in fact the new l.p. is already finished some time ago...
I heard the version you are talking about & i have to say that this one
will definitely be a new 'classic' from our favourite band for sure.
Can't wait till the 27/28th of October...
Title: Re: Still Dreaming . . .
Post by: Janko on October 09, 2008, 18:49:29
Quote from: figurehead on October 09, 2008, 18:01:58

Can't wait till the 27/28th of October...

Yes, this should mean that there will be no more delays!

:smth023

Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: Janko on October 09, 2008, 19:03:39
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=6G-3C7u2ZnQ
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: subarucure on June 11, 2015, 07:09:51
Quote from: crowbi_wan on September 18, 2008, 20:55:42
Quote from: tigermilk on September 18, 2008, 09:47:34
Quote from: Bloodflower on September 18, 2008, 05:29:43
EDIT: Just played around with a playlist of the 2004 sessions in iTunes.
Lost
Before Three
Truth Goodness And Beauty
The End of the World
Strum
Please Come Home
Anniversary
A Boy I Never Knew
Labyrinth
Your God is Fear
This Morning
The Promise

Yeah nice list!  :smth023
Although I'd take off 'Your God Is Fear' and add 'Fake' and 'Going Nowhere'.

I agree that Fake and Going Nowhere should be a part of the album.  It's funny how just a few changes can totally give the album a completely different vibe.  And think about some of the setlists that would have come from such an album.  Damn you Robert!   
Hi People, i know i am a bit (very) late to this discussion, but i came across this forum the same day i was trying to iron out my blood flowers and 2004 cds (complete mixes) and felt compelled to join in.  (i hope this works, i want to upload 2 pics showing the 2 cds. discuss.
Title: Re: released demos (new)
Post by: subarucure on June 11, 2015, 17:29:37
here are some pics of the (printed) cds of the above track listings.  outer jackets to come.  all are from official cds (wav_>wav) except for 2004demos, spilt, ching chang, heavy, everything and dragon. self edited, and (tried) remastering the 2004 demos to reduce the static and enhance the sound which i think i did when i compare new and original. -- on blood flowers i dont care for 'TIN if' and i really struggled with leaving off 'loudest sound' as i like it especially the guitar melody but when playing the cd i always want to skip ahead half way through to get to '39'.... so i took it off to make room for the rest.  i know 'cut here' came after, but i think it has lyrical and musical ties to spilt milk, and ching is like sister song to spilt milk or at least an alternate version of it, so i wanted to give 'cut here' its place here. and i think the 2 instrumentals are quite good and interesting so i had just enough room (with editing) to fit them in and put them into rotation. 'heavy' has a very abrupt cut off so i did a fade out on that.  and 'everything' just goes on and on and on with the same rif so i chopped it in half to be able to make room for it and it would be enough to ''get my fill'' of it and not get sick of it.  i originally chopped off the last half, but after several experiments and trial and error chopped off the first half as that is where most of the repetitiveness is. i put the only 2 b-sides (from the blood flowers era) directly after the main cd for sound quality continuity as the unreleased stuff is much more harsh sounding in comparison.  --  for 2004: i had a hell of a time trying to get everything to fit. originally putting in 'strum' and tacking on 'boy' and 'please' at the end of blood flowers to be listened to as a whole but that didnt seem right either and then everything wouldnt have fit on blood flowers either.  i replaced 'taking off with the full version of 'dragon hunters' which is essentially the same song,  i have never liked 'never' and i like 'anniversary' and its lyrics.... i just want to skip ahead half way through on that one as well, leaving it off makes the cd as whole have a more consistent feel. and yet it still didnt all fit!!?!? so i looked at 'the promise' and ended up making it the first 5 minuets with a slow fade out of about 20 seconds before the main angst part changed back.... (i had to keep it no more than 5min to cram everything onto 1 disk - total track time 79:53.  it actually didnt burn at first so i chopped off some empty space (about 5 seconds of silence) at the end of 'going nowhere' and that did the trick) anyway looking back i probably should have saved the middle of the promise with a fade in/out, but its on the finished disk now. it has a slow build up, and when it does pay off has that ''wall of sound'' mix that is a bit much for me for 5 min of wailing...... but yet i definitely wanted it on here but HAD TO edit it to make everything fit.  there is enough there to get it out of my system, and all the (best of the best) 2004 songs are in their proper home.

(a special thank you to my old friend on youtube 'FENNER1976' for the B.F. demo tracks)

(i am a 99% 'cd man' in the car or at home.  i only download things unavailable on cd. when i do use my sony walkman i use WMA@192kbps.  walkman doesnt support FLAC but it has the best sound quality - player wise.  i listened to the same track in WMA and WAV and there is VERY little difference.) FLAC just doesnt have the support for me, and i am mainly playing a cd anyway so....