4:13 Dream

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boneheadhaggar

have to say I agree this is the best thing they have done since Wish, true the mix isn't that great but the songs themselves, particularly performed live are fantastic, cant wait for the Dark album now, which will hopefully be mixed a lot better than 4:13 Dream :smth020
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krissik

Hi , Where abouts did you guys download the album from?  I will of course buy it when it comes out but it would be interesting to hear it and make an opinion on it.
                                               Chris from New Zealand :-)

nausearockpig

Right!
My copy of the album came in the mail today!!! The problem now is that I'm working from home and have four hours and five minutes till I can listen to the album.. Oh the pain...

Here's a simple written explanation of the album

The CD itself is a bit boring compared to the singles. A lot of unprinted silver on there with a bit of yellow splotches on the right with a circle of black lines halfway from the centre to the outside. THE CURE is written on the right side at "equator" level & 4:13 DREAM is written under that also on the right.

The back of the back cover is blue black and pink with the song numbers in white and the song titles in red along with the usual bar-coding and record company blurb
The inside of the back cover [under the CD] is basically a reprint of the CD images without the writing but on a white and blue background.

We've all seen the cover image so no need to go into that but there's a WARNING label printed as part of the front cover, not as a sticker - which sucks. stupid Australian rules

The lyric sheet is a fold out sheet rather than a booklet. It's made up of five foldouts equating to ten "pages" or "panels".
Seven and a half panels are for lyrics [black titles, red lyrics], one is the cover, one half is credits and the last page is like the "back" of the front cover. it has a face similar or the same as on one of the singles, a hand with on letter of the word "four" on each fingertip and "13" on the thumb-tip.. the four fingers then leave a trail that goes thru the lyric pages.

Now I wait..

japanesebaby

Quote from: patitodark on October 22, 2008, 00:00:24
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 21, 2008, 22:14:12
ok i gave in a bit and i've listened only 'underneath the stars' so far.
it's not clipping awfully or anything (since most of the song is not that loud) - BUT there's something in the mix that sounds really messy, like the sound is somehow "broken". it simply sounds cheap, not like a quality production should. its definitely not (just) some volume-destruction problem but it's simply the way it's been mixed, it's somehow... just not quite ideal. and whenever the volume gets a bit up (like towards the end of 'underneath...'),

Japanesebaby... you played the worst sounding song in the album in my opinion... :(
I totally agree that when the song's volume turns up a bit it becomes kind of distorted that was my first impression when I heard it for the first time too.
The Only One has a bit of this too. But many of the others are OK... I mean, the mixing final result works for them at least this is what I think.
On the 28th you will finally listen to it and will let us know what do you think ;)

well i just tried some glimpses from some other songs (the ones i've heard already anyway) and it's the same distorted volume-hammered messy sound on every track.
it's impossible to listen to any of the details on the tracks because there's no space in there, everything's squashed and pushed to the limit. it's like someone shouting to your ear, when you try listening to the songs.
seriously, i didn't find any single passage from the songs i checked that would have been OK. all glimpses i tried have the same ugly sound scapes, the mix is simply bad, all through.

for instance 'sleep when i'm dead' is still just plain horrible. the effects are dreadful and distorted all through, it's pain to the ears to listen to it. even the intro is horrible even though it's not meant to be a loud passage.
what a monkey job...

if it was only volume-destroyed, i might still have a small hope that the vinyl version might be listenable, but because the mix alone is so bad too then i'm not expecting any more enjoyable experience.
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Harvestry of Ghosts

Please go join the fight against the loudness wars. This needs to stop. So many great albums are being completely ruined & the record companies/artists/mixers need to hear our voices!

http://www.justiceforaudio.org/

And yes...the entire 4:13 Dream album is horribly clipped. It can be heard on every track, from the opening notes of Beneath the Stars to the very end. Doesn't matter which song or which part of which song, it's there 100% plain as day.

nausearockpig

I wonder how Robert will react to the question of the poor sound should he be asked.. Perhaps that's one for the Ask Robert on thecure.com...


Harvestry of Ghosts

Quote from: nausearockpig on October 23, 2008, 11:22:21
I wonder how Robert will react to the question of the poor sound should he be asked.. Perhaps that's one for the Ask Robert on thecure.com...



Already done. :D See my post in the "Ask Robert" thread.

lostflower4

Quote from: Harvestry of Ghosts on October 23, 2008, 12:17:51
Quote from: nausearockpig on October 23, 2008, 11:22:21
I wonder how Robert will react to the question of the poor sound should he be asked.. Perhaps that's one for the Ask Robert on thecure.com...



Already done. :D See my post in the "Ask Robert" thread.

I wrote something to him too. I hope he gives our messages some thoughtful consideration.

After hearing the way he defended Jason a while back, I'm not sure he takes criticism so well these days...

rodney

I think these versions sound better than the 'Mix 13' versions, and while I'm not in love with the sound quality, this is still the best album since Wish, though it probably won't make my top 5 list of the year.

AdamClayton

I've listened to it a couple of times myself and agree with you, the sound/mixing is horrible. As someone in this thread said, its like someone shouts into your ear, it literally hurts. The only improvement from the singels as far as I can tell is that I can actually hear what Simon plays in Freakshow, thats about it. Shame, as I think some of the songs are pretty good....

rodney

Both this and 'The Cure' suffer from a very loud, tinny sound.

harrold

I disagree with you based only on my own feelings, impressions not considering levels, maxi's and other technical stuffs.
So, in my point of view Bloodflwers just simply kicks ass ALMOST as Faith, Seventeen Seconds & Pornograhy did. But on the other hand this thing which is said to be 4:13 is a shameful, ringing, irritating metalized noise ... except 2 mid-level but weak tryings (UTS, Scream)...
Head on the door is not a good, no, it's a brillant album with those kinds of underrated pearls like sinking, the baby screams, kyoto song, etc. ALL songs of this album is great!
You're a lucky man to have this lp from your Father!  :D Lucky to have a Father with so good, perfect musical taste!  :D
My opinion is that there are 12 albums by The Cure which can be ordered, ranked by different kinds of principles and there is another group contains only this brand new one which is actually shouldn't have been issued under the name of 'The Cure'... I've been waiting for years and years for the new album but now I'm so f..... disappointed with this ... :(

Quote from: patitodark on October 21, 2008, 20:54:43

As I said in an earlier post, I think this is their best work since Wish...
"...the kiss is dry and it's not the same you... "

mahood

as far as i was happy to discover the new album with the rome concert (well, it was made on purpose), as far i don't want to hear the "proper" album before it gets released --- from what i've heard, i already hate its sound and the way robert sings on it, but the reason is also : i want to have some surprise, even a bad one, when i play the real thing at home.

Quote from: japanesebaby on October 21, 2008, 09:04:31
i suppose there's little hope that the vinyl version will be any better because it'll probably be sourced from the cd master too, just like the recent shitty vinyl singles were.

and i already know i'll buy the vinyl, and i already know i will be disappointed because of that : there are a very few LPs that are mastered especially for vinyl nowadays. it's a shame, because there would be then 2 versions, the i-pod friendly one we unfortunately know, and the good one (i don't know how else to call it).

back to the album per se : the reasons why and the scream where instant "classics" for me, especially the latter, some kind of forever pushing its head too hard on the wailing wall --- would they do this again & again, that would be fine by me.
and then there's the real snow white : at first i hated the intro so much (embarrassing moment), i didn't even want to hear the rest of it. and the chorus is not great either IMO. but there's something happening with the verses, that forces me to go back to this song again & again. and now i even wonder if it is not this awful intro melting into this great verse that makes it such a good song. something like a real surprise. it reminds me a bit of throwing muses too, strangely (while the cocteau twins & ride references - conscious or not - seem not that odd).
and i am glad to hear porl playing something different & way more subtile than the guitar-hero-wahwah-1976-guy i was afraid he would turn out to be (or to be again, if one listens back to the '76 demos, but they were far from being the best the cure has done). he proves to be such a greater guitarist than this. & that's why switch & it's over are awful to me.
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kissingcrimson

I bought my copy today, so far from what I've heard...
I can say I prefer the live versions for most of the songs...there are some things that
just can't be captured...

On the album, I do like all the singles, the last two songs 'the scream' and 'it's over' really stand out for me

UTS of course, I love, however I prefer it live ( in particular *madison square)

I'm trying to get used to the "production" sounds..and the background effects on Robert's vocals,

However, regarding all of the above, I might change my mind...
i need to listen to the album  half a dozen times before I can make an informed observation...
so let's begin :)
'I'm in a carefully careless mess'

Lady

The album arrived here this morning, me and disintegration are going to take it....still 1 hour and finally we could listen to it (in studio-version I mean, eheh!! :lol: ;) )!!!!!! :smth020
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