Do they have it in them anymore?

Bloodflower · January 17, 2007, 06:21:25

Do you honestly believe the Cure have it in them to make a better album than Disintegration or Pornography? I do not believe, but dammit I hope.

tram71 · January 17, 2007, 15:35:08

Maybe not Pornography or Disintegration, but I certainly have hope that the next album will be as good as The Head On The Door, Kiss Me... or Wish.

And I say that as Pornography and Disintegration were two majorly defining albums for the group - moments in time that can never be recreated. Smith was going through some very major things during those time periods that made those albums what they were.

I certainly think they do have it in them this time around to make a great album, but I don't think they'll ever hit that peak again.

splitmilk34 · January 17, 2007, 15:48:51

I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).

Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.

tram71 · January 17, 2007, 15:58:51

Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).

Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.

Exactly.

bluewater · January 17, 2007, 17:34:54

Realistic would be another bloodflowers, another wish or another kiss me.
Anything not worse than the cure or wild mood swings would make me happy.

-bluewater

yrbadrenau · January 17, 2007, 19:13:35

Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).

Let's just appreciate that our favorite band is still creating together.

I must say that i agree with this point of view. We have to stop comparing each album to the last, or each period, or each song. and perfection is out of this world. we can't forget that R.S is just... a human being. just as you and me, but able to write some (many) beautiful music. But not always. I can't deny that i've never listen more than 3 times Wild Mood Swing, not much more Bloodflowers (i can hear some of you screaming!!!yeah!) and the last opus didn't squeeze me. Just because (this is my point of view), if there was the "sound", there wasn't the melodies. For me Cure are king of the melody! and i didn't find that in the last albums. But they are and will stay the best to me, whatever album they'll give us this year (or next!!! lol)

Dillinger · January 17, 2007, 22:46:43

they could make another good atmospheric album but not to that quality. i dont think they will write another fantastic pop song though

Bloodflower · January 18, 2007, 01:45:26

I disagree with the notion of comparing albums, because of how unique each one tends to be, but in regards to quality... The way I see it, Robert has softened with age. I love Bloodflowers, really, it's one of my favourite Cure records (maybe number three), but the intensity of Disintegration and moments of Wish are just absent. I think the Cure makes fantastic music, then and now, but I think it would take something genuinely tragic, the kind of thing no-one would wish on anyone, for Robert to write something as powerful as some of the past albums. And that's the kind of thing that I couldn't wish on Robert.

I have high hopes for Robert and the band. Porl's return is very important, I think.

And in regards to those who say we cannot wish for an album greater than Pornography or Disintegration, are you the same ones who said that in 1988, saying that an album better than Pornography could not be made by the group? I think it is fair to make comparisons of quality.

Heh... Robert turns fifty in a few years....

Janko · January 23, 2007, 05:21:42

Quote from: Bloodflower on January 17, 2007, 06:21:25
Do you honestly believe the Cure have it in them to make a better album than Disintegration or Pornography? I do not believe, but dammit I hope.

WHY WOULDNT THEY?
I MEAN, ALMOST ALL MY FAVOURITE MUSICIANS ARE WAY OVER FIFTY AND THEY STILL GO STRONG!
LEONARD COHEN IS 74 GODDAMNIT!
ROBERT IS WHAT?
...STILL 47 OR 49...
HE'S YET TO REDISCOVER HIMSELF!

ALAS, THERE IS SO MUCH STUFF TO f*ck UP...

KingOfSomeIsland · January 24, 2007, 23:04:43

Bloodflowers was a great album, i hope their next can be as good as that.

Erik · January 25, 2007, 06:17:25

I'm still hearing bits of magnificence at times: Going Nowhere was just beautiful. I think what characterizes the genuis of the early decades, is the complete separateness of each album in style. Each new album felt like a new start/direction. Lately, it seems like every album is an attempt to recapture the past glory. Bloodflowers was to be the third installment of the socalled dark trilogy - and flopped. The Cure was some sort of attempt to recapture the essential rock Cure - and flopped. The band is pure genuis when it goes boldly into new areas. I miss the gutsy moves of releasing stuff like Wrong Number, or even the 13th, wild with horns and everything! I hope Porl brings really creative riffs back into the mix.

The other thing I miss - and maybe it's RS writing without pain/drugs- is the totallack of imagery in the lyrics. It used to be so psychadelic, it didn't make sense. HOTD Bsides, for example. Now, the words seem so straight forward and corny at times: I don't know what's going on, Never, even Bloodflowers the song. It's so formulaic.... I hope it gets a bit more cryptic again.

I'd love to see what they could come up with in a fourteen day stretch with a small fixed budget again. Seventeen seconds was brilliant with those constraints!
Erik

ohhfushia · January 29, 2007, 15:42:17

they did bloodflowers in 2000.i think,bloodflowers is as good as disintegration.so i think they can do something that's better than the others

Lady · January 29, 2007, 17:07:15

Quote from: splitmilk34 on January 17, 2007, 15:48:51
I think we'd all be better off not comparing anything the group comes out with to those 2 albums... those albums are classic for a reason:
Depeche Mode will not make another "Violator"
Morrissey will not make another "The Queen is Dead"
The Rolling Stone won't make anything meaningful anymore (and so on and so on).

U2 will not make another "Achtung Baby"...

Anyway, I think it's impossible to make a better album than disintegration or pornography, but I don't care about it, 'cos every album by the cure has something special and I'm sure that the new album won't disappoint us...I trust Robert!

[labyrinth] · January 31, 2007, 21:53:50

i agree with Lady
the thing is: we don't have to wait for another "disintegration" or something like that, we should wait for something very good...but not necessarily another "ultimate-masterpiece" ...we (they)still have a lot of time

the expectation sometimes is not a good thing.

Dillinger · January 31, 2007, 22:59:04

i finally got bloodflowers yesterday, so far i think its better than disintegration