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Title: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: dsanchez on March 05, 2007, 16:44:18
Next monday Roger Waters will perform in Peru and I want to bootleg the concert. I am going to buy a MD and also microphones.

Which MD of this list would you recommend me and why?

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/md

Which microphones I should look for?

What tips do you suggest me for bootleg the concert?. Before, during and after?

Cheers

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: KingOfSomeIsland on March 06, 2007, 00:31:02
idk if you would find too much info here, most of us are fans, collectors, and traders. There are alot of sites dedicated just for tapers, so maybe they could help you more
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on March 06, 2007, 02:28:43
Skip the Minidisc and get a hard disk recorder, or a DAT. :D

MD is really no better than mp3, unless there's an option for PCM mode.

I like these mics:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200084345230
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on March 06, 2007, 02:39:09
The MD SONY MZ-RH910 have the PCM option, I buy this one some time ago but don't make record ... :lol:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on March 06, 2007, 02:41:06
Dude, can you explain more about the hard-disk recorder thing?. That's new to me...

Quote from: lostflower4 on March 06, 2007, 02:28:43
Skip the Minidisc and get a hard disk recorder, or a DAT. :D

MD is really no better than mp3, unless there's an option for PCM mode.

I like these mics:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200084345230
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on March 06, 2007, 04:22:33
Quote from: dsanchez on March 06, 2007, 02:41:06Dude, can you explain more about the hard-disk recorder thing?. That's new to me...


It's basically the next generation of DAT. DAT recorders aren't even being made anymore. Instead you just record to hard drive or a flash card. This is one I've had my eye on:

http://www.amazon.com/Edirol-R-09-WAVE-MP3-Recorder/dp/B000FPQFKO/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1716987-1975015?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173151106&sr=8-1


I know crowbi_wan has something else that he really likes, but I can't remember the exact model. I'm not sure what device is best, but  this is definitely the next big thing.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 04:54:28
Yes, I do have something else that I love.  It's an iriver iHP-120 with firmware upgrade by Rockbox.  Really, it's just an mp3 player with a line in.  I plug my mics (Giant Squid Audio omnis) into a battery box and then plug the batter box into the iHP-120.  The Rockbox upgrade makes recording a breeze.  You can set it up to pre-record (check your levels w/o recording), it has a clip light to let you know your levels are too high, adjustable gain (left and right channel or both), the ability to record in wave or wavepack, and many other features.  Also, the battery life is about 14 hours and HDD is 20GB.  You can seriously record an entire festival or several shows without having to recharge or transfer you recordings.  Nice for traveling ; ) 

Really, I'd pass on the MD and look for a hard disk recorder.  They are the next wave.  Either the Edirol R-9, an iriver (make sure it has a line in), or a MicroTrack 24/96. 

For mics, you can get some really nice, but inexpensive mics from Church Audio or Giant Squid Audio Labs.  My mics and battery box were $115 including shipping.  I think a battery box is a must.  It will power your mics and you will get less distortion, if any at all.  It's up to you if you get a box with bass roll off.  One with roll off will cut down the bass frequencies.  Again, less distortion.  It also cleans up a muddy sound somewhat.  Caley will probably say don't get the roll off.  I have mixed feelings about it.  Yeah, there's a lack of bass, but it can be added when mastering.  Like I said though, it will help clean up a muddy sounding venue.  I hate it when I can't understand the singer do to loud bass and echos.  Filtering out some of the bass definitely helps.

http://www.taperssection.com/ is a great site for the questions you have about taping gear.  Pretty much anything you'd want to know has been asked by someone. 

Try getting a hold of Chris Church (of Church Audio).  You can find him on taperssection or his store on Ebay. 

If I can help out anymore just ask.



     
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 05:32:15
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120 (http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120)

http://cgi.ebay.com/iRiver-iHP-140-40-GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ330093561222QQihZ014QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/iRiver-iHP-140-40-GB-MP3-Player_W0QQitemZ330093561222QQihZ014QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

You can also try criagslist.  I bought mine for $80.  The going rate is anywhere from $80 to $200 for these things. 

Rockbox http://www.rockbox.org/ (http://www.rockbox.org/)

Mics

Church Audio http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO (http://stores.ebay.ca/CHURCH-AUDIO)

Giant Squid http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/ (http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/)

http://www.core-sound.com/default.php (http://www.core-sound.com/default.php)

http://www.microphonemadness.com/ (http://www.microphonemadness.com/)

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=0 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?category=0)

you can find some used gear on http://www.taperssection.com/ (http://www.taperssection.com/) in the Yard Sale.  Be careful buying used mics, though.  I'm sure you can imagine where people hide them when entering the venues  :smth078


Tips for recording would be to get about half way between the stage and the soundboard, but away from any screamers.  Really it depends on what type of mics you get.  Omnis or binaurals record what you are truly hearing.  Cardioids record what is basically coming straight at you.  I like omnis because of the true sound, but you are open to more crowd noise.  I think they work better for large venues, that is unless you are right up against the speaker stack.  But then you aren't getting a stereo image.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 05:36:08
Quote from: Tof on March 06, 2007, 02:39:09
The MD SONY MZ-RH910 have the PCM option, I buy this one some time ago but don't make record ... :lol:


You should get out there and do some taping.  Practice man.  I had some botched attempts and a few poor quality recording my first few times out.  Learning the sweat spots of venues is pretty handy, too.   
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on March 06, 2007, 14:52:25
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 05:32:15
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120 (http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120)



thanks Crowbi for your advice!

I am in Peru and found this in a page similar to ebay  :smth100

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/iriver

Which of those would be worth to buy?...think most of them are players...

Thanks again

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on March 06, 2007, 14:53:35
With my MD SONY MZ-RH910 I have an ECM 719 microphone ...

I think I'm going to make a record friday, in the restaurant where I'm working we organized concert every friday so I try to record some but this is not the same that in a real show .... I hope I'm ready for the next THE CURE show ...
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 15:13:17
Quote from: dsanchez on March 06, 2007, 14:52:25
Quote from: crowbi_wan on March 06, 2007, 05:32:15
I forgot to mention that the iHP is no longer in production.  You'll have to find a used one should this be your choice. 

http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120 (http://search.ebay.com/iHP-120_W0QQfromZR41QQsatitleZiHPQ2d120)



thanks Crowbi for your advice!

I am in Peru and found this in a page similar to ebay  :smth100

http://listado.mercadolibre.com.pe/iriver

Which of those would be worth to buy?...think most of them are players...

Thanks again

David.



Unfortunately, none of those have a line in jack.  That's the key.  I just noticed you're in a bit of a crunch since the show is next week.  Perhaps the Ediro R-9 is the way to go.  They are pricey, though.  A high quality MD might be the best way to go, but I'd really give that R-9 some serious thought.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on April 16, 2007, 21:56:54
Quote from: lostflower4 on March 06, 2007, 04:22:33
It's basically the next generation of DAT. DAT recorders aren't even being made anymore. Instead you just record to hard drive or a flash card. This is one I've had my eye on:
http://www.amazon.com/Edirol-R-09-WAVE-MP3-Recorder/dp/B000FPQFKO/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-1716987-1975015?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173151106&sr=8-1


A friend of mine just passed me this Edirol R-09 Digital Recorder Review (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_edirol_r09/). Interesting.



Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on April 16, 2007, 23:00:56
Your friend just passed you good advice. :D
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on April 23, 2007, 19:00:21
Quote from: lostflower4 on April 16, 2007, 23:00:56
Your friend just passed you good advice. :D


An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/)

However it will cost quite a lot to bring something like Edirol to Peru. US$400 to US$450 is a LOT of money  :cry:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on April 23, 2007, 21:04:44
Quote from: dsanchez on April 23, 2007, 19:00:21
An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/)


:shock: No iriver h120 :!:  That's the thing to get :smth023
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on April 23, 2007, 21:09:33
Yeah, the iRiver is a more ecomical option if you can find it.

One must keep in mind, however, that hard disk players will save you money in the long run since you don't have to keep buying blank media for them. Either they'll have a hard drive built-in, or you can just get a high-capacity flash card.

Plus the fact that you don't have to do any tape flips, etc. makes it an easy choice for me.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on May 02, 2007, 21:50:28
I use the M-Audio Microtrack.  And I tried the mp3 player trick at a Down concert in Dublin last year.  The security bought that argument, but not that the battery box was a charger for the mp3 player.  He told me "check" it at the coat check room.  I went down the steps and made the left to the coat check room, his for a second so that if he looked, it looked like I went there, then made a run for the floor.  The rest, they say, is history....
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 04, 2007, 02:25:15
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2007, 08:01:29
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 24, 2007, 02:33:43
Quote from: lostflower4 on April 23, 2007, 21:09:33
Yeah, the iRiver is a more ecomical option if you can find it.

One must keep in mind, however, that hard disk players will save you money in the long run since you don't have to keep buying blank media for them. Either they'll have a hard drive built-in, or you can just get a high-capacity flash card.

Plus the fact that you don't have to do any tape flips, etc. makes it an easy choice for me.


Also, these smaller digital recording devices don't necessarily look like recording devices. If you're trying to sneak one in to a venue and get caught during a pat down, just tell them it's your mp3 player. 


So how do you explain the microphones then? :roll:


I use Sonic Studios DSM-6S which look similar to earbuds.  Two times I've had to show my gear and both times security let me pass without question.   
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 05, 2007, 06:11:54
What's the link to that page where the guy reviews a whole bunch of different mics?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 05, 2007, 06:32:58
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 05, 2007, 06:11:54
What's the link to that page where the guy reviews a whole bunch of different mics?


:smth024 http://www.nickspicks.com/reviews.htm

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on May 05, 2007, 08:32:13
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 04, 2007, 02:25:15
Quote from: Steve on May 03, 2007, 08:01:29
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 24, 2007, 02:33:43
Quote from: lostflower4 on April 23, 2007, 21:09:33
Yeah, the iRiver is a more ecomical option if you can find it.

One must keep in mind, however, that hard disk players will save you money in the long run since you don't have to keep buying blank media for them. Either they'll have a hard drive built-in, or you can just get a high-capacity flash card.

Plus the fact that you don't have to do any tape flips, etc. makes it an easy choice for me.


Also, these smaller digital recording devices don't necessarily look like recording devices. If you're trying to sneak one in to a venue and get caught during a pat down, just tell them it's your mp3 player. 


So how do you explain the microphones then? :roll:


I use Sonic Studios DSM-6S which look similar to earbuds.  Two times I've had to show my gear and both times security let me pass without question.   


sounds like cheating. i kind of liked the idea of the knife thing better, that's the one that shows some dedication.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 06, 2007, 12:51:31
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 06, 2007, 12:35:36anyway, i'd go for those HD recorders for sure. i see no reason why to use MD anymore.


In my view, ATRAC (the minidisc compression format) is just a glorified mp3. The bitrates generally aren't much better, and I think it just got a better reputation since it came before mp3 and was used by semi-professionals. Ok, it doesn't have the big drop in the high frequencies like mp3, but that doesn't mean it isn't missing a lot of other information...

More about ATRAC here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrac

Sure, there is "Hi-MD" now where you can record in linear PCM... But MD units tend to be cheaper and more poorly built than DAT and hard disk recorders. So even if it's not lossy, chances are the recording device and its internal components are of lower quality.


P.S. Why is r-e-p-u-t-a-t-i-o-n censored here? Did Jim Robin hack our board? :twisted:



Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on May 07, 2007, 18:35:49
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 06, 2007, 12:51:31
P.S. Why is r-e-p-u-t-a-t-i-o-n censored here? Did Jim Robin hack our board? :twisted:


should be ok now :)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on May 09, 2007, 16:50:56
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 23, 2007, 21:04:44
Quote from: dsanchez on April 23, 2007, 19:00:21
An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/)


:shock: No iriver h120 :!:  That's the thing to get :smth023


Guys, unfortunately I can't afford now the Edirol, however I just learned I can buy (finally) electronics from USA through Internet and bring it to Peru. I've found this IRiver list:

http://lanbox.preciomania.com/search_gen.php/topcat_id=/topcat_search=1/form_keyword=iRiver/x=0/y=0//

Crowbi, is there any that you would recommend for my concert bootleging?.

Cheers

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 09, 2007, 17:57:58
Quote from: dsanchez on May 09, 2007, 16:50:56
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 23, 2007, 21:04:44
Quote from: dsanchez on April 23, 2007, 19:00:21
An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/)


:shock: No iriver h120 :!:  That's the thing to get :smth023


Guys, unfortunately I can't afford now the Edirol, however I just learned I can buy (finally) electronics from USA through Internet and bring it to Peru. I've found this IRiver list:

http://lanbox.preciomania.com/search_gen.php/topcat_id=/topcat_search=1/form_keyword=iRiver/x=0/y=0//

Crowbi, is there any that you would recommend for my concert bootleging?.

Cheers

David.



Unfortunately, iriver doesn't make an mp3 player with line-in any longer.  You can still find them on eBay for roughly $200.  An H120 or H140 is what you'd be looking for.  I've come to learn that if you use a 320/340 with some mic/battery box combos you will a preamp otherwise your levels will be too low.  Now, there's nothing wrong with a preamp.  It's just more gear you need to sneak in and it's more money spent.  I have both, but have yet to test the 320.  Another problem with the 300 series is you cannot Rockbox U.S. versions unless you first get the Euro firmware. 

Here's a link to one ending on eBay tomorrow.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300108970645&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us     
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on May 09, 2007, 18:52:26
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 09, 2007, 17:57:58
Unfortunately, iriver doesn't make an mp3 player with line-in any longer.  You can still find them on eBay for roughly $200.  An H120 or H140 is what you'd be looking for.


Problem is that I can't buy electronics in Ebay because I am in Peru and they won't send it here :(

I think in the end I will go for the Edirol R-09, I've found it by 359US$ (with possibility to send it to Peru) which is still too expensive. But I will think about it....  :roll:

http://lanbox.preciomania.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=16374547/search=edirol

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 09, 2007, 19:07:28
Quote from: dsanchez on May 09, 2007, 18:52:26
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 09, 2007, 17:57:58
Unfortunately, iriver doesn't make an mp3 player with line-in any longer.  You can still find them on eBay for roughly $200.  An H120 or H140 is what you'd be looking for.


Problem is that I can't buy electronics in Ebay because I am in Peru and they won't send it here :(

I think in the end I will go for the Edirol R-09, I've found it by 359US$ (with possibility to send it to Peru) which is still too expensive. But I will think about it....  :roll:

http://lanbox.preciomania.com/search_getprod.php/masterid=16374547/search=edirol

David.


a bit cheaper at $339

http://www.bpmmusic.com/public/pages/edirol_r-09_digital_recorder.html
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 11, 2007, 01:32:18
Quote from: Descent on May 11, 2007, 01:28:56
Quote from: japanesebaby on May 03, 2007, 08:50:59
the best advice: don't be a guy. guys always get searched/patted down, girls don't. or if they do then you can just punch them right in the eye and shout "you freaking pervert!" and that's it.)


Actually, I've been to a few shows where there were women to search on girls. So how would you do it ? :lol: Pants... still the best way I suppose. Or in a bag, most small venues barely check them.


Yep, just like how they bring women cops to the scene of an incident to search people...

Seriously, I think down the pants is the only way to go. I mean, why take any chances?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on May 29, 2007, 19:29:32
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 09, 2007, 17:57:58
Quote from: dsanchez on May 09, 2007, 16:50:56
Quote from: crowbi_wan on April 23, 2007, 21:04:44
Quote from: dsanchez on April 23, 2007, 19:00:21
An interesting Portable Digital Recorder Comparison (http://www.transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200703_recorder_reviews/)


:shock: No iriver h120 :!:  That's the thing to get :smth023


Guys, unfortunately I can't afford now the Edirol, however I just learned I can buy (finally) electronics from USA through Internet and bring it to Peru. I've found this IRiver list:

http://lanbox.preciomania.com/search_gen.php/topcat_id=/topcat_search=1/form_keyword=iRiver/x=0/y=0//

Crowbi, is there any that you would recommend for my concert bootleging?.

Cheers

David.



Unfortunately, iriver doesn't make an mp3 player with line-in any longer.  You can still find them on eBay for roughly $200.  An H120 or H140 is what you'd be looking for.  I've come to learn that if you use a 320/340 with some mic/battery box combos you will a preamp otherwise your levels will be too low.  Now, there's nothing wrong with a preamp.  It's just more gear you need to sneak in and it's more money spent.  I have both, but have yet to test the 320.  Another problem with the 300 series is you cannot Rockbox U.S. versions unless you first get the Euro firmware. 

Here's a link to one ending on eBay tomorrow.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300108970645&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:middle:us     


Hello guys

Finally I've got to buy the same model as CrowbiWan have in Ebay

Check here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=300114395541&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=020)

The seller agree to send this to Peru by UPS. I'm looking forward to it :)

Cheers

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 29, 2007, 19:56:36
Now you're gonna need some good mics to go along with it. :D
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on May 29, 2007, 20:11:27
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 29, 2007, 19:56:36
Now you're gonna need some good mics to go along with it. :D


I thought this comes with an incorporared mics already, which I guess are not so good :)

Any recommendations? How much are we talking about? :)

Cheers,

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on May 29, 2007, 20:30:48
That is like asking what shoes are the best or if you are over on the "other" cure site like asking what football team will be champions.  Each person will have a different opinion, and each person will say that their opinion is the best.

I use Core Sound Binaurals with a bass roll off filter/battery box.  I love them with the exception of 2 things, both pertaining to the battery box.  First, it is a bit bulky.  And second, it is metal.  I haven't tried to get it through a metal detector yet, and can only assume I won't make it through.

I think Brian uses Sonic Studios, Caley will recommend some in ear mics, some will swear by Church  Audio.....it all is in what you prefer.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 29, 2007, 20:45:46
I don't think the iRiver has any built-in mics. But you're right, built-in mics suck anyway. :roll:

I don't think you'd want to go any lower than Core Sounds. They're probably the least expensive really good mics out there:

http://www.core-sound.com/mics/1.php


However, I've been very impressed by these lately. They're not cheap! :oops:

http://www.core-sound.com/bk/1.php


Yeah, I've been fond of Soundman OKM-II Rock mics, but maybe not quite as much as I used to be. They're a little bit more expensive than Core Sounds. I think they've changed their models now, though:

http://www.independentaudio.com/CDCatalog/HTML/okm.html


There's other good stuff too, but I'm not really familiar with everything. I do know that the three I've mentioned have all produced some really nice recordings.

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 29, 2007, 22:00:31
Yeah, I'm using Sonic Studios DSM-6S/L > PA-6LC2.  One Cure taper mentioned that this combo does not trigger metal detectors  :smth023  Being that the mics can pass as earbuds, just hold the batter box (PA-6LC2) in your palm and tell any suspicious security guys they are just that. 

I taped Interpol the other day and will post a sample when I get home.  Sonics Studios ROCK  :rocker :smth020

The CS HEBs Caley mentioned are better, but I don't think by much.  Really, as long as you have a decent mic it comes down to knowing the venue and where to stand.   
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 30, 2007, 05:03:26
Some samples from both sets of mics I own, recorded in various locations.

Interpol -Sonic Studios DSM-6S/L > PA-6LC2 (roll-off @ 85Hz). 15' from the left stack at an outdoor amphitheater.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U6KLOMHJ

Silversun Pickups -Sonic Studios DSM-6S/L > PA-6LC2. 10' from the left stack in a small theater.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=U469HZN7

Placebo -Sonic Studios DSM-6S/L > PA-6LC2.  20' from the right stack of a large club.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=IAWI0979

The Ataris -Giant Squid Audio Labs omnis > GSAL battery box w/ fixed roll-off.  Dead center between the stage and soundboard of a small club.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=V06FZOXK

Silversun Pickups -Giant Squid Audio Labs omnis > GSAL battery box w/ fixed roll-off.  3/4 back from stage, just in front of the board in a large arena.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XBY6B2XW





Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 30, 2007, 05:17:44
One thing to note about my Giant Squid mics and Jeff's Core Sound mics, the battery box is fixed to the mics.  Not sure about the Cores, the Squids can be made with a mini stereo plug.  I wish I would've gone that route and purchased my battery box from another company.  Here's a few stealthy battery boxes with adjustable bass roll-off

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-SPSB-8

http://www.microphonemadness.com/products/mmmimbobafim.htm

You can also find some nice mics fro these sites.  I was going to get these http://www.microphonemadness.com/products/mmhlsomsenmi.htm until I stumbled upon the DSM-6S/L  8)

Ah yes, keep an eye on the taperssection Yard Sale http://taperssection.com/index.php/board,7.0.html

Good luck David.  And please feel free to ask any questions.  Or if there's a certain type of mic your are looking at I'm sure someone here has a recording or can find one that used said mic.   

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 30, 2007, 21:07:31
Quote from: crowbi_wan on May 30, 2007, 20:58:24$50 or a dime bag might do the trick


At least give 'em a dub... :lol:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on May 30, 2007, 21:50:17
Quote from: lostflower4 on May 30, 2007, 21:41:54
Quote from: japanesebaby link=topic=3345.msg23418#msg23418
and back to the pants-mania, again!


And who thought that searching for a perfect hiding solution would include looking at softcore porn?


https://www.internationaljock.com/jockstraps,266240.html

https://www.internationaljock.com/protective-hard-cups-with-jockstrap,262144.html

:oops:


oops indeed.
i'm almost tempted to click a link called "report to moderator"...

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on June 02, 2007, 02:19:51
Yup....Caley found the only circulating picture of me heading into the London 06 show.  And everyone wonders how I got all of the audio and video equipment in.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: dsanchez on June 08, 2007, 23:20:35
I was looking for the Giant Squid Audio Lab mics in this page

http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-micline1.html

is there any in special you can recommend me? The prices are reasonable. Others are too expensive.

Cheers

David.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on June 09, 2007, 00:49:31
About Giant Squid Audio Lab, here's something that's not widely known. All of the battery boxes that guy sells come with fixed bass roll-off. He doesn't make this clear at all. In fact, he charges $2 extra to have it set as fixed. But the truth is, it's always fixed no matter how you order it! I find this very deceptive, but I think the mics are pretty decent for the price range.

So what I would recommend. Get these:

http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-poweredbattery1.htm


But be sure to get this option:

Make my mics disconnectable from the battery box!


It costs $15 extra, but this way you can unplug the mics and use a different battery box (to get a better sound).


I think any of these battery boxes will work with the mics:

http://www.microphonemadness.com/categories/battery_filter_module_stereo.html


Brian recorded a lot of shows with the bass roll-off. I think they sound good, but they don't have much bass. With a different battery box, I think they would sound much better!

With the setup I suggested, you could get this all for about $150.


If you can come up with $230, though â€" I think this would be even better:

http://www.core-sound.com/mics/8.php



Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on June 09, 2007, 02:50:05
I use core sound binaurals with a battery box that has a switchable bass roll off.  Loud shows definitely need the roll off.  I recorded Sepultura, Down, Hatebreed, etc, all with the roll off.  Without the roll off, the mics clip almost the entire show (my Sepultura show's sound isn't very good). 

The Cure however, are hard to predict.  I personally record them using a -20 dB attenuator cable plus the bass roll off.  The result is a bit quieter, with less bass, but without the bass roll off there are points during some songs where Simon really blasts the bass and the mics will clip.  I highly recommend the CSB's!!!

Caley-  I would like your opinion here.  I think you have a few shows of mine and can vouch for shows with the attenuator cable and without.  Not sure if you have any with bass roll off on vs. on.  Compare them to Brian's rig.  Not a competition here....just an honest comparison.  I have some of Brian's recordings and the sound fantastic....however I am tone deaf so my opinion is shit!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on June 09, 2007, 03:23:02
I don't know what your trick is Jeff, but the last recording I heard of yours had MEGA bass even though the filter was on. :lol:

Part of the clipping problem you have is that the MicroTrack automatically has a +20 dB gain boost. I know you can use the attenuator to bring it back down to a neutral 0, but I don't think the levels on the MicroTrack go all the way down to 0. I know that with the Edirol, you can set the input volume from absolute nothing to absolute maximum and everything in between.

My critique of your recordings? I know you had the roll-off filter turned off during the main part of London '06, and it sounded more full. Then you turned it on during the encores, and it sounded thin by comparison. You didn't have an attenuator then, and you were close to clipping many times during that show. However, The Cure doesn't really play that loud compared to a lot of bands, so it worked out.

From what I remember, you told me you recorded the She Wants Revenge show with the attenuator and no roll-off. I think it turned out excellent. And I'm pretty sure you did Sepultura before you had an attenuator, so the roll-off was necessary to keep your levels down. But if had you had the attentuator back then, I think the filter could have stayed off.

I've only heard a handful of recordings by both you and Brian, so it's hard to say which is better. I know Brian's recordings suddenly got better with Sonics, though. I think both Core Sound Binaurals are Sonic Studios DSM6S/L are in a similar league.

Again, I'm not very familiar with the MicroTrack and its levels settings. I just know that CSBs can handle very high sound pressure levels, so I would think you could just turn your input down more and leave the filter off â€" but I have no way to test this idea.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on June 09, 2007, 03:46:16
David,

Caley's recommendation regarding getting the Giant Squids and being able to remove the battery is key.  Do not get it fixed.  Do not even get a battery box from GSAL.  The mics are great for the price, but get a battery box from Sound Professionals or Microphone Madness.

Jeff,

Your last recording was one of the best things I've heard in a while.  Yeah, there's a lot of bass, but the sound is fantastic and the low end can be brought down with EQ.  Keep on doing what you did  :smth023 
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on June 09, 2007, 04:04:28
yeah, the microtrack is odd to say the least.  i have recorded with the levels at zero and still had good sound.  That makes no sense.  So, I added the attnuator and the levels dropped right back in.

I was in no way fishing for complements....nor trying to make it a competition between Brian and I.  We both have different rigs.  I love mine and am very comfortable with it, as I believe Brian is.

I sold my police tickets, so I really don't have any shows anytime soon.  Thanks for the kind words!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on June 09, 2007, 04:16:25
Quote from: j on June 09, 2007, 04:04:28
I sold my police tickets


Scalper  :lol:

I just saw them last night and recorded from the nosebleeds.  Good show and the recording came out pretty good considering my location. 
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on June 09, 2007, 04:23:45
Quote from: j on June 09, 2007, 04:04:28
I was in no way fishing for complements....nor trying to make it a competition between Brian and I.


If you use the attenuator and set it at 0, will it still pick stuff up?

And what about the next level up from 0?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on June 09, 2007, 04:33:10
Haven't tried that....I'll have to give it a shot the next time I don't plan on recording the opening band. 

Regarding the Police tickets, my son's hockey team (the one I coach) is doing a summer tournament the day of the first Police show, so I sold them for face value.  I wish I could have sold them for more and been a scalper!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on July 08, 2007, 09:09:31
Interesting tips on getting your gear into the more difficult places:


http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/digests/V6.700/D789


My favorite â€" the Jedi Mind Trick! :lol:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: temptation-cure on July 08, 2007, 21:35:58
just to be old fashion"" u can also record with a walkman  ;)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 09, 2007, 02:24:15
Found this on taperssection.com and thought someone might be interested. 

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=89080.0

Used pair of Giant Squid Audiolab Omnis going for $45.  The guy is now taking reasonable offers and will pay for shipping.  A really good deal here for a nice pair of starter mics.  The battery box isn't included, which is a good thing. Buy one elsewhere since GSAL adds a fixed roll-off filter to theirs.  So, if you're thinking about getting into recording, but don't want to pay an arm and a leg, I'd snatch these up. 

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 09, 2007, 03:08:34
Funny....I saw those today as well and was going to post it here.  Got a bit sidetracked at work and didn't have time.  Imagine that....having to actually do work at work!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: nausearockpig on August 09, 2007, 08:54:20
Not that it's worth much, but my opinion is if you can, stay away from MD. I found the changing discs to be a pain in the neck especially when you've got people sitting near you and the chance of being caught.

if you can find something with a hard disc there's less chance you can be seen messing with your rig..

but that's just me..

thanks to Brian and Caley for their advice to me earlier..
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 09, 2007, 12:16:14
Yup.  HD is the way to go.  I use a Microtrack which records to Compact Flash cards.  Up until recently, I have recorded on a 2 gb card, using a 1 gb as a back up.  The 2 gb gives you right around 3 hours of recording time at 16/44.1.  The MT also only has the capability to make a 2 gb file, so once the file hits 2 gb, it stops recording for 5 +/- seconds then starts recording again.  That is part of the reason I only used a 2 gb card.  So, I would always record the main set on the 2gb, then swap out for the 1 gb for the encores.

However, this can cause issues- I found out the hard way.  I took my son to Ozzfest last year and was recording bands all day.  They were setting up for Ozzy and I was planning on recording it for my wife's uncle (it was the first Ozzy/Black Sabbath show in Philly he had missed in something like 20 years!).  I went to swap out the card and forgot to turn the MT off before doing it.  The unit froze.  Because the MT has an internal battery, there is no way to reset the unit without just letting the battery die.  I ended up not being able to record Ozzy, so we left early (there was a positive!).

I just switched to a 4gb card, so I won't have to swap out cards.  However, I have to keep an eye on my watch to make sure I stop recording somewhere before the show hits 3 hours and start again to aleviate the 2 gb file size ceiling.

Other HDs are better in this respect- the iRiver 20gb can record something like 4 million hours or so without swapping out any media :shock:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: rjl on August 09, 2007, 14:50:36
Quote from: j on August 09, 2007, 12:16:14
Other HDs are better in this respect- the iRiver 20gb can record something like 4 million hours or so without swapping out any media :shock:


Same with my Nomad JB3. I haven't deleted a show from it yet! Of course, I tape in sporadic spurts, but there are plenty of long sets on there, entire shows w/openers (some w/o even pausing between sets), etc.

And it uses a laptop drive. I had read somewhere about people replacing the stock 20gb drives with even larger ones, although I imagine that heat and maybe battery life issues may arise after a certain point.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 14, 2007, 16:12:47
Quote from: j on August 09, 2007, 12:16:14
Yup.  HD is the way to go.  I use a Microtrack which records to Compact Flash cards.  Up until recently, I have recorded on a 2 gb card, using a 1 gb as a back up.  The 2 gb gives you right around 3 hours of recording time at 16/44.1.  The MT also only has the capability to make a 2 gb file, so once the file hits 2 gb, it stops recording for 5 +/- seconds then starts recording again.  That is part of the reason I only used a 2 gb card.  So, I would always record the main set on the 2gb, then swap out for the 1 gb for the encores.


This is why I love the Edirol R-09 so much. Even though it's not documented yet, it can support 8 GB SD cards. This way you can record in 24-bit/48 kHz mode and not even think twice about it. That's still about 8 hours of recording time, by the way.

While the file size is limited to 2 GB, it simply starts a new file when the limit is reached â€" and there is absolutely NO interruption!

And finally, if you use rechargeable AA NiMH batteries, they last for 7-8 hours. So assuming you have your levels right, you could just let the damn thing run all day without even taking it out of your pocket! :rocker
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 16:48:12
Yeah, that seemless track split is the downfall of the MT.  Supposedly the next gen MT is going to have that seemeless split.  I have heard of the MT being able to use a 16 GB Microdrive, but you'd definitely need an external power source because of the MT's stupid internal battery.  Just something else that I need to jock...a USB power source to run off of.

One other thing about the Microdrive- I have read people complaining about a very light hum from the spinning of the microdrive. 
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 14, 2007, 17:40:12
iRivers, when Rockboxed, have seemless splits, too.  Whoever's developing these recorders/firmware upgrades certainly has longer shows in mind  :smth023
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 18:12:34
Sort of related here....now that I have 2 complete rigs, I will be introducing my 12 year old son (he's 12 today!) to the fine art of stealth taping.  I'm taking him to see Interpol in Philly and he asked if he could tape them.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 14, 2007, 18:32:56
Quote from: j on August 14, 2007, 18:12:34
Sort of related here....now that I have 2 complete rigs, I will be introducing my 12 year old son (he's 12 today!) to the fine art of stealth taping.  I'm taking him to see Interpol in Philly and he asked if he could tape them.


:smth023

Happy Birthday to your son!  And enjoy Interpol.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 18:46:45
Thanks.  He's pissed at me today because I am making him go to his ice hockey practice tonight.  Get over it, punk!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 14, 2007, 19:40:24
Happy birthday, ?.D. - the world's youngest taper. :lol:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on August 14, 2007, 21:47:52
His name is Gage.  Look for the GD version of Interpol 15 Sep 07 Upper Darby, PA :smth023
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: psychophysio on August 15, 2007, 10:54:56
Quote from: j on August 14, 2007, 21:47:52
His name is Gage.  Look for the GD version of Interpol 15 Sep 07 Upper Darby, PA :smth023

That is really cool! Enjoy the show
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 11:36:20
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 14, 2007, 16:12:47
Quote from: j on August 09, 2007, 12:16:14
Yup.  HD is the way to go.  I use a Microtrack which records to Compact Flash cards.  Up until recently, I have recorded on a 2 gb card, using a 1 gb as a back up.  The 2 gb gives you right around 3 hours of recording time at 16/44.1.  The MT also only has the capability to make a 2 gb file, so once the file hits 2 gb, it stops recording for 5 +/- seconds then starts recording again.  That is part of the reason I only used a 2 gb card.  So, I would always record the main set on the 2gb, then swap out for the 1 gb for the encores.


This is why I love the Edirol R-09 so much. Even though it's not documented yet, it can support 8 GB SD cards. This way you can record in 24-bit/48 kHz mode and not even think twice about it. That's still about 8 hours of recording time, by the way.

While the file size is limited to 2 GB, it simply starts a new file when the limit is reached â€" and there is absolutely NO interruption!

And finally, if you use rechargeable AA NiMH batteries, they last for 7-8 hours. So assuming you have your levels right, you could just let the damn thing run all day without even taking it out of your pocket! :rocker


Do you need a microphone for the R-09 or the one is in is enough ???

What is the best price for the R-09 ???

What is the size of the R-09 ???

Does someone want to buy or exchange my MD MZ-RH910 + ECM 719 ???

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 11:38:29
Is it possible to have pictures of your equipment ???

I'm not familiar with this  :lol:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 11:53:25
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 11:38:29
Is it possible to have pictures of your equipment ???

I'm not familiar with this  :lol:


This is eerie. I was just holding my Edirol in my palm, thinking I need to take a picture of it someday. I have it "disguised" a bit to look less like a recorder, and lots of people ask me about it.

I'll try to do that soon...

Despite what the product description says, the Edirol's built-in mics suck. They're not meant for recording loud music. :!:

The Edirol is very small. It literally does fit in the palm of your hand.

This is the best deal I've seen on these. I got one from these guys, and they're legit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Edirol-Roland-R-09-Wave-MP3-Recorder-100-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ250160174556QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


You can find similar deals from a few other sellers, but I can't attest to their reliability.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on August 31, 2007, 11:56:58
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 11:36:20

Does someone want to buy or exchange my MD MZ-RH910 + ECM 719 ???




Try selling your gear on taperssection.com in the "Yard Sale" section.

http://taperssection.com/index.php?board=7.0   
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 12:04:42
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 11:53:25
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 11:38:29
Is it possible to have pictures of your equipment ???

I'm not familiar with this  :lol:


This is eerie. I was just holding my Edirol in my palm, thinking I need to take a picture of it someday. I have it "disguised" a bit to look less like a recorder, and lots of people ask me about it.

I'll try to do that soon...

Despite what the product description says, the Edirol's built-in mics suck. They're not meant for recording loud music. :!:

The Edirol is very small. It literally does fit in the palm of your hand.

This is the best deal I've seen on these. I got one from these guys, and they're legit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Edirol-Roland-R-09-Wave-MP3-Recorder-100-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ250160174556QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


You can find similar deals from a few other sellers, but I can't attest to their reliability.



that's surely a nice link but this sucks:

Paypal is only accepted from US members with confirmed ship to addresses.
Non-US residents must pay with international money order in USD or transfers - actual shipping charges apply - you can contact me through e-mail only for a shipping quote.


money orders outside EU can be a pain and end up costing you a lot of money in the end. the same goes with bank transfers outside EU: better check the fees they are going to charge you first or you might be up for some nice surprise. :!:
i've ended up paying more fees than what the item was worth. the ratio is not likely to be the same here, but it can seriously pump up the total price you're paying. due to this, i tend to skip every non-EU seller who don't take paypal.
besides, i don't even get it why some of them say they can't take paypal outside US - because it really should make no difference...  :roll:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:10:27
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 12:04:42
Paypal is only accepted from US members with confirmed ship to addresses.
Non-US residents must pay with international money order in USD or transfers - actual shipping charges apply - you can contact me through e-mail only for a shipping quote.


money orders outside EU can be a pain and end up costing you a lot of money in the end. the same goes with bank transfers outside EU: better check the fees they are going to charge you first or you might be up for some nice surprise. :!:
i've ended up paying more fees than what the item was worth. the ratio is not likely to be the same here, but it can seriously pump up the total price you're paying. due to this, i tend to skip every non-EU seller who don't take paypal.
besides, i don't even get it why some of them say they can't take paypal outside US - because it really should make no difference...  :roll:


Perhaps Caley can buy it for me ???  :lol:

and send me after  :oops:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:13:06
But I want to sell my MD before, I want to keep my money for February !!!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 12:19:10
Yeah, I don't get why they're so afraid to take PayPal from other countries. I guess they're afraid of people stealing identities and having things sent to a different address? Who knows. :roll:

@Tof: It would be no problem for me to get one and re-send it to you, if you could get me back for the total cost. I accept PayPal from non-U.S. members. ;)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:26:37
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 12:19:10
Yeah, I don't get why they're so afraid to take PayPal from other countries. I guess they're afraid of people stealing identities and having things sent to a different address? Who knows. :roll:

@Tof: It would be no problem for me to get one and re-send it to you, if you could get me back for the total cost. I accept PayPal from non-U.S. members. ;)


If I can sold my MD there's no problem Caley !!!

How much can I sell my MZ-RH910 + ECM 910 + 5 MD 80 min + 1 MD 74 min + 1 MD 1 Go ???

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 12:28:58
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:26:37
How much can I sell my MZ-RH910 + ECM 910 + 5 MD 80 min + 1 MD 74 min + 1 MD 1 Go ???


No clue.

How much did you pay for it? Was it new?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:30:05
 :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

can you sell it for me, my English is limited too much

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:35:32
MZ RH910 around 230 â,¬

ECM 719 around 75 â,¬
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:37:21
I never use it, juste to try it to record a show in the restaurant I work, I buy it 1 year ago.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 13:12:47
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 12:30:05
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

can you sell it for me, my English is limited too much

:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


I'll see what I can do...
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:16:21
Can I use my ECM719 with the R-09 ???

or is it better to buy another one ???

Which one ???
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 13:22:44
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:16:21
Can I use my ECM719 with the R-09 ???

or is it better to buy another one ???

Which one ???


You can use any mic, but in my opinion, there is much better stuff than ECM-719.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:52:07
I buy my MD 249 â,¬ (18 04 2006)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:57:04
What do you think about that ???

http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,90190.0.html
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 14:10:50
I think it's sold...

I'll have to get back to you about the rest later. I have to be away from the computer now.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 14:12:22
You sold it  :shock:

I LOVE YOU CALEY !!!   :smth060

:-D
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 14:20:35
No, no...

The Edirol for sale with SD cards is sold. :oops:

Really gotta go now!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 14:37:03
I love you nevertheless  :D

:smth002
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Druide on August 31, 2007, 15:47:36
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:26:21
And how much for a mic ???


around 350 â,¬ to 500 â,¬ for a good mic

;)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Druide on August 31, 2007, 15:48:42
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:28:38
I need a SD cards ...


regardes les comparateurs de prix et FAIS attention aux dispos et délais...

;)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on August 31, 2007, 16:00:16
Quote from: Druide on August 31, 2007, 15:48:42
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:28:38
I need a SD cards ...


regardes les comparateurs de prix et FAIS attention aux dispos et délais...

;)


Do you think 4 Go is enough ???

Transcend Secure Digital Card 150x 4Go
proposé par 16 boutiques à partir de 38,00 â,¬

http://www.prixdunet.com/liste/Carte_memoire/?p_min=&p_max=&t=2&f_0%5B%5D=&f_1052%5B%5D=Secure+Digital&f_1051%5B%5D=
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Druide on August 31, 2007, 16:15:24
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 16:00:16
Quote from: Druide on August 31, 2007, 15:48:42
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 13:28:38
I need a SD cards ...


regardes les comparateurs de prix et FAIS attention aux dispos et délais...

;)


Do you think 4 Go is enough ???


Sure...it's enough for a BIG show and you can to record in 24 bits/48 khz...
But for many shows in a week or 2, you'll need many cards or take a laptop...

(ou sinon à la Fnac, il éxiste un truc pas mal du tout, un lecteur de cartes mémoires et qui stocke les données pour environ 130 â,¬)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Druide on August 31, 2007, 16:25:07
Quote from: Tof on August 31, 2007, 16:05:05
Which mic do you think, do you have some reference ???

And for less quality !!!


I'm in my job...no time but :

http://www.core-sound.com/mics.html
http://www.schoeps.de/F-2004/navigator.html (in french)
http://www.schoeps.de/E-2004/navigator.html (in english)
http://www.pricerunner.fr/f/176/Microphones?a_search=classic&ref=sp&q=classic

For the less quality... maybe take the karaoke mic of your kid...
:-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D

Ds ces liens tu trouveras ton bonheur

:)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Druide on August 31, 2007, 18:14:23
Mine is :

http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/gs/gs-cardbattery1.html

Not the best, i know... but cheap !!!

But this : it's good

http://www.core-sound.com/mics/8.php

;)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 20:28:35
i've read a couple of user reviews from a local finnish forum for audiophiles/tapers/studio-freaks, and i've noticed that more than one people were saying they were disappointed with edirol R-09 because of the background noise/"hissy hum" which it produces (and which obviously can't ne removed??). anyway, that was surprising to me since the manufacturer has especially advertized this product as having "crystal clear sound".
m-audio microtrack got better user reviews, what comes to the sound quality.
anyway, i've never used either one, just something i've read more than once. so just wondering if anyone with edirol has noticed/paid attention to such a thing.
:?:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 20:50:36
another hiss complaint here (srcoll down to the reviews, see the first one):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edirol-R09R-Recorder-LIMITED-OFFER/dp/B000NJPMMO

...the Edirol R-09 hisses like a pre Dolby cassette deck.


i wonder if this hiss problem refers to recording with the built-in mics only? and so once you move on to using external mics this shouldn't be a problem(?).
or, it's a volume level thing - from the same review:

Loud source material may drown the hiss but any recording of low level sound will reveal the hiss problem.

:?:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 20:53:53
Quote from: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 20:50:36
i wonder if this hiss problem refers to recording with the built-in mics only? and so once you move on to using external mics this shouldn't be a problem(?).
or, it's a volume level thing - from the same review:

Loud source material may drown the hiss but any recording of low level sound will reveal the hiss problem.

:?:


I've heard this too, but I always assumed they were talking about the built-in mics. Those are very hissy.

Also, it's possible that the mic input is noisy. However, my mics are powered by a battery box, so I always plug into the line in â€" which is supposed to be quieter anyway.

Some people will use the Edirol to power their mics and thus use the mic input, but this usually does not provide adequate power for optimum sound.

I have actively listened for hiss during my recordings, and it's just not there. Yes, there is a little background noise in extremely quiet situations (standing in a room all by yourself), but all mics have self-noise. Mine will always produce about 26 dB of their own noise, which is easily drowned out by loud music.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: japanesebaby on August 31, 2007, 21:08:42
i thought so too. yet i'm maybe still wondering a bit since some also say the hiss cannot be removed by using external mics.
from the amazon list of reviews (from the bottom of the list):

There is a permanent hiss on the recordings. I guess the signal-to-noise ratio is not better than 45dB (the manufacturer doesn't provide data!). Even when I used an external condenser mic (AKG414 costing £750) with a Beyerdynamic pre-amplifier routing the signal through the line input the hiss was still there. This was disappointing, but then you cannot expect too much for £260. JM
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: rjl on August 31, 2007, 21:15:40
I'm pretty sure that the noise issue is caused by using the mic-in instead of the line-in. I remember from my MD days a lot of people complaining about noise, and the remedy always seemed to be "use the line input".
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:30:03
Well, now you're getting me worried. :lol:

Ok, here's something from a recording of mine. The beginning part is probably about the closest to silence you'll ever hear at a rock concert.

http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/samples/10%20You've%20Got%20Another%20Thing%20Comin'.mp3


Mind you, there are still people rustling about and even some motorcyles in the background â€" but even if I'm trying to hear some bad hiss on purpose, it's just not there.

And you can see this absolutely couldn't be a problem when the music starts.

(I know, this is the kind of music that all Cure fans love...)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:48:31
Quote from: dsanchez on August 31, 2007, 21:38:18Sorry for the silly question, but why do I need a "battery box". I thought I could buy the mics and connect them directly to the iRiver :roll:


It's simple. Mics need a source of power to function correctly. Now, some recorders will provide some degree of power, but it's usually not enough to give the mics their full potential.

My mics require 9 volts of power, and there's just no way any recording device is going to provide that (my Edirol is running on 2.4 volts of batteries!)
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: rjl on August 31, 2007, 22:32:17
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:30:03
(I know, this is the kind of music that all Cure fans love...)


Judas Priest, I am guessing? If so, awesome. Halford or Owens? (I can't check the sample at the moment).

Quote from: dsanchezSorry for the silly question, but why do I need a "battery box". I thought I could buy the mics and connect them directly to the iRiver rolleyes


If I remember correctly, powering your mic's will allow them to handle higher SPL levels before they distort. And it may have some bearing on the frequency range, as well. But definitely it will allow you to record in higher-decibel situations than you could without powering them.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 01, 2007, 01:17:20
I find this sample perfect, I think better is a soundboard !!!

Which mic it is Caley ???
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 01:40:10
Quote from: Tof on September 01, 2007, 01:17:20
I find this sample perfect for me, I think better is a soundboard !!!

Which mic it is Caley ???


Well, it's not Judast Priest (only a cover of them), but these are my mics:


http://www.core-sound.com/bk/1.php


They're actually just two DPA 4061 mics matched for sensitivity, with a special battery box made by Core Sound. But the package deal makes it worth it.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 10:10:45
Here are some photos of my “pimped out” Edirol.

(http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/R-09%20Front.jpg)

(http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/R-09%20Top.jpg)

(http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/R-09%20Back.jpg)


I’ve put black electrical tape over the built-in mics as well as over the record button (it flashes obnoxiously bright red when recording). Now I can just see a faint glow coming out from the sides, which is plenty to know it's working. I’ve also got a small piece of tape on the right side to help me find the hold switch more easily in the dark.

I also put a piece of tape on the back to keep the “bass cut” switch from shifting to on. This is kind of like a bass roll-off filter on the recorder, but it’s very strong. Not a good thing!   The other three switches on the back are not functional when using the line input, so it doesn't matter how they are set. And finally, I also put tape over the mic input so I don’t accidentally plug into the wrong hole!  ;)

I started off using a 4 GB SD card with a 2 GB as a backup, but since then I also got an 8 GB card and now use the 4 GB as a backup. If you’re recording at 24-bit / 48 kHz mode, it will use about 1 GB per hour. I figured for any Cure shows with an opening act or any other long festivals, this would still be cutting it close. I like to be able to just let the recorder run and not have to worry about it. And yes, 8 GB cards to work with the latest firmware even though it’s not published anywhere. You just have to make sure they are the SDHC Class 2 type. This is the kind I got (one of the very few of this like this that are currently available):

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Flash-memory-card-Class/dp/B000OF2F2W/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-8418285-0609638?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1188624146&sr=8-2


You might be able to find a somewhat better deal if you shop around.

As for what mics to get, it's really impossible to say unless you know what your price range is. I'm sure you could spend a million dollars on some mega-uber deluxe stealth mics if you had the cash. :P




Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Steve on September 01, 2007, 10:43:13
 :shock:
It's tiny :shock:
Have you used it yet, for a show, i mean?
What were the results like?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 01, 2007, 11:43:21
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:30:03
Well, now you're getting me worried. :lol:

Ok, here's something from a recording of mine. The beginning part is probably about the closest to silence you'll ever hear at a rock concert.

http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/samples/10%20You've%20Got%20Another%20Thing%20Comin'.mp3


Mind you, there are still people rustling about and even some motorcyles in the background â€" but even if I'm trying to hear some bad hiss on purpose, it's just not there.

And you can see this absolutely couldn't be a problem when the music starts.

(I know, this is the kind of music that all Cure fans love...)


Look this Caley's post Steve there is a sample ...
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 12:06:00
For any of you rockers out there, I uploaded my first two masters on Dime a while ago:


http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=158744

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=159394


I know, Jeff was hoping I would catch some Conway Twitty and Barry Manilow this summer, but I ended up with this stuff instead. :?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Steve on September 01, 2007, 12:30:27
Quote from: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 12:06:00
For any of you rockers out there, I uploaded my first two masters on Dime a while ago:


http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=158744

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=159394


I know, Jeff was hoping I would catch some Conway Twitty and Barry Manilow this summer, but I ended up with this stuff instead. :?

:smth043
I'm not registered at dime, but I listened to the mp3 Tof just put there.
Not bad at all is it. That with external mics right?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 01, 2007, 12:34:30
Quote from: Steve on September 01, 2007, 12:30:27
Quote from: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 12:06:00
For any of you rockers out there, I uploaded my first two masters on Dime a while ago:


http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=158744

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=159394


I know, Jeff was hoping I would catch some Conway Twitty and Barry Manilow this summer, but I ended up with this stuff instead. :?

:smth043
I'm not registered at dime, but I listened to the mp3 Tof just put there.
Not bad at all is it. That with external mics right?


Yes external mics ...

http://www.core-sound.com/bk/1.php

It's Caley's mics.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 01, 2007, 12:40:53
Quote from: Steve on September 01, 2007, 12:30:27That with external mics right?


Yeah. The internal mics aren't good for much, except basic speech recording.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 02, 2007, 14:29:24
when you recorded a show, is it better to keep it on the SD card, or can you transfer it on a PC to make some correction if it needed ???
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 02, 2007, 14:34:06
Quote from: Tof on September 02, 2007, 14:29:24
when you recorded a show, is it better to keep it on the SD card, or can you transfer it on a PC to make some correction if it needed ???


You should copy it to your computer via USB as soon as possible. All you're doing is copying the WAV file from one place to another.

Then, I'll immediately back the file(s) up to one of my external drives. And eventually that will be burned to a data DVD as well.

And when that is all done and I decide to record another show, I'll delete everything off the SD card so it's ready for use again.

Very simple!



Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: rjl on September 03, 2007, 04:22:19
Damn, those Edirol recorders are tiny. Awesome.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 03, 2007, 23:55:17
For those concerned about this "hiss" from an Edirol, I made this sample. I made a recording of the line-in signal with no actual input signal â€" so this is just the Edirol's self-noise and nothing more.

The level is set at 30 (the maximum), so this is noisiest it can ever get. And keep in mind that you'll usually have levels below this.

First, set your volume to where it would normally be for music, and then listen to this:


http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/Edirol%20R-09%20Line%20In%20(max%20volume).flac


It's next to nothing, and there's no way you'd here this with other sounds in the mix â€" especially a loud rock concert.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 04, 2007, 13:53:48
it is unbearable the noise which that made !!!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 04, 2007, 14:05:01
Quote from: Tof on September 04, 2007, 13:53:48
it is unbearable the noise which that made !!!


Really?
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 04, 2007, 14:47:58
Yes really !!!

:smth045

:smth081
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 04, 2007, 15:02:45
You're joking, right? ;)

Seriously, I'm getting paranoid now!
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 04, 2007, 16:19:44
Yes I'm joking !!!  :-D


Quote from: lostflower4 on September 02, 2007, 14:34:06
Quote from: Tof on September 02, 2007, 14:29:24
when you recorded a show, is it better to keep it on the SD card, or can you transfer it on a PC to make some correction if it needed ???


You should copy it to your computer via USB as soon as possible. All you're doing is copying the WAV file from one place to another.

Then, I'll immediately back the file(s) up to one of my external drives. And eventually that will be burned to a data DVD as well.

And when that is all done and I decide to record another show, I'll delete everything off the SD card so it's ready for use again.

Very simple!




If I have a SD card reader on my PC can I use it to copy the files on my PC ???
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 04, 2007, 18:18:00
Damn, you had me scared for a moment. I thought I might be deaf. :oops:

Yep, an internal SD reader will work fine. I've found that transfers to my computer are twice as fast when using a MicroMate card adapter when compared to manually connecting the Edirol to a USB port.

The data all comes out the same in the end. Like I said, you're just copying a WAV file from one place to another. :smth001
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on September 05, 2007, 00:13:26
Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:30:03
Well, now you're getting me worried. :lol:

Ok, here's something from a recording of mine. The beginning part is probably about the closest to silence you'll ever hear at a rock concert.

http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/samples/10%20You've%20Got%20Another%20Thing%20Comin'.mp3


Mind you, there are still people rustling about and even some motorcyles in the background â€" but even if I'm trying to hear some bad hiss on purpose, it's just not there.

And you can see this absolutely couldn't be a problem when the music starts.

(I know, this is the kind of music that all Cure fans love...)


A JUDAS PRIEST COVER!!!!  I love it! :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker

Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: rjl on September 05, 2007, 16:19:38
Was it a cover band, or someone else doing a cover?

If it's a cover band, awesome, as that's where JP found "Ripper" Owens, who did a good job before Halford came back.

And if not, cool, too. Before their hiatus, members one of my favorite semi-local bands -- Scissorfight -- did an awesome cover of it with members of another local band (Lamont). Awesome song.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 06, 2007, 18:30:31
Remember these guys? :lol:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireHouse_%28band%29


The band photo on there is awful. The guy in the cowboy hat isn't even a member, and I've never seen him in my life!

WTF??? :oops:
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: j on September 07, 2007, 16:13:04
That guy doesn't even get any credit "Guitarist Bill Leverty is absent, replacement is seen in picture".

Unless of course, his name is actually replacement.
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on September 10, 2007, 06:05:53
Quote from: j on September 07, 2007, 16:13:04
Unless of course, his name is actually replacement.


:lol:


Back to this supposed issue about the Edirol and hiss, I just measured the line-in noise of my digital sound card and compared it to the R-09.

When set at the same levels, their self-noise is within one decibel of each other. And I've always known that my sound card isn't noisy, so... :smth023
Title: Re: Tips to bootleg a concert
Post by: Tof on September 19, 2007, 16:34:30
SD card 8 Go classe 6 73 € 90 / 103 $ 20
http://www.lcdi.fr/index.php?activate=affichage_produit&id_produit=5352 (http://www.lcdi.fr/index.php?activate=affichage_produit&id_produit=5352)

Edirol R-09 230 € 65 / 321 $ 99
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Edirol-Roland-R-09-Wave-MP3-Recorder-100-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ250166703667QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.fr/Edirol-Roland-R-09-Wave-MP3-Recorder-100-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ250166703667QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Core Sound Binaural microphone set 164 € 82 / 230 $
http://www.core-sound.com/mics/8.php (http://www.core-sound.com/mics/8.php)

Do I need to add 21 € 50 / 30 $ for a battery box with the switchable bass roll-off filter.

475 € 37 + 21 € 50 if I need a a battery box with the switchable bass roll-off filter.


Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: j on December 02, 2007, 21:54:35
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Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:28:54
Anybody have any thoughts on the proper input level to use when recording a loud rock show with the Edirol R-09 internal mics?
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 10, 2008, 19:41:50
Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:28:54
Anybody have any thoughts on the proper input level to use when recording a loud rock show with the Edirol R-09 internal mics?


Well, you'll definitely want to switch to the low gain mode on the back of the unit.

And I guess the levels would still have to be pretty low. But honestly, why not buy a pair of real mics?  The results will be 10x better. You can get something pretty decent for about $100, and then even better from there on up.

Here's some mics I would consider if I didn't want to spend a lot of money:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-12

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-EBM-1  (clever stealth design there  ;))


Even these will blow the Edirol's internal mics away (and they're really cheap!):

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-2


In reality, I think it's pretty silly to spend $300-400 on an Edirol and just use the the built-in mics. You'd get MUCH better results buying an iRiver H120 on eBay for $100 and spending $200 on a pair of external mics!

Even a minidisc recorder + external mics would be a better solution (although I'm not a fan of MD).





Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:56:35
Well, I already have access to these:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-19

and a battery box. Do you think those would be better than the R-09 internals?
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 10, 2008, 20:01:38
Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:56:35
Well, I already have access to these:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-19

and a battery box. Do you think those would be better than the R-09 internals?


Probably. Just about anything is better than the built-in mics. The reason I say "probably" in this case is because the one recording I've heard made with CMC-19s wasn't very good. But that could be due to a lot of factors.

The reason the mics are there in the first place is simply to make the Edirol marketable to a larger audience (including journalists or people recording business meetings or lectures). They're really not meant for recording rock music.  ;)
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 20:08:35
I did record a Broadway show with those external mics, but the level was very low, and there was a significant hum. However, I think I only had the input level set to 11 or 12, which I'm guessing wasn't enough.
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 10, 2008, 20:13:56
Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 20:08:35
I did record a Broadway show with those external mics, but the level was very low, and there was a significant hum. However, I think I only had the input level set to 11 or 12, which I'm guessing wasn't enough.


The built-in are really noisy. That's one of my biggest gripes about them.

Even for simple speech stuff, there is always some background noise. Really, Edirol cheaped out on those (despite the grandioise advertising claims they make about them).
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 21:38:00
Thanks for the advice! The question remains, though...what's a safe input level? Much like that infomercial, I'd like to "set it and forget it." :)
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: lostflower4 on May 10, 2008, 21:50:59
Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 21:38:00
Thanks for the advice! The question remains, though...what's a safe input level? Much like that infomercial, I'd like to "set it and forget it." :)


Hard to say. Every microphone is different. Also, each concert will vary and depends on where you're located.

As for the CMC-19, it says the max input with battery box is 120 dB. This really isn't very high, so I'm guessing they are pretty high sensitivity mics. In this case you'd probably want to set your gain pretty low.

If using a battery box, you'll definitely want to use the line in. The default for that is "13", and it can actually be bad to set the Edirol much lower than that. I've heard about some distortion problems occurring because of an anomaly in the preamp when you actually reduce the gain.

If you record in 24-bit, just keep it low around 13 or 14, and see how that works. You can always boost it later and maintain the sound quality (one of the big advantages to 24-bit recording).
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: crowbi_wan on May 10, 2008, 21:58:12
I'd suggest you check your levels during 65daysofstatic set to give you a rough idea of where you'll need to be.  That way you should be able to avoid some drastic increase/decrease at the start of The Cure's set.
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: DonMTV on June 04, 2008, 06:57:54
Hi all,
   I am new to this forum, but a huge Cure fan.  I was able to catch them at the Shrine on Sunday and it was a fantastic show.  I know that taping should be stealth, and one way to do that is to use the hard drive based recorders.  I know that iPods have the ability to record.  Has anyone heard of an iPod being used to record concerts?  I have a video iPod, and I found this XtremeMac MicroMemo Voice Recorder Mic that plugs into the iPod.  I figure get good mics, and a bassbox and plug it into the line in.

Don

Here is the Amazon link for more info: http://www.amazon.com/XtremeMac-IPV-MIC-00-MicroMemo-Digital-Recorder/dp/B000FNC2IK (http://www.amazon.com/XtremeMac-IPV-MIC-00-MicroMemo-Digital-Recorder/dp/B000FNC2IK)
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: DonMTV on June 04, 2008, 07:22:54
Disregard my above post.  I went to taperssection and put iPod in the search and found out that no one encourages it.  Oh well, I thought it would be cool to use if it would record well.  I am sure it would be easier to pass that off if caught at the door by security.  I will look into other options.

Don
Title: Re: Equipment to tape a concert
Post by: j on June 04, 2008, 16:59:07
Quote from: DonMTV on June 04, 2008, 07:22:54
Disregard my above post.  I went to taperssection and put iPod in the search and found out that no one encourages it.  Oh well, I thought it would be cool to use if it would record well.  I am sure it would be easier to pass that off if caught at the door by security.  I will look into other options.

Don


The 3 Mexico shows in 2007 were recorded using the following:

Apple 80 GB Video iPod + Belkin iTalk + Giant Squid Omnis

It did not turn out well (sorry EB!)...very distorted.  Of course, the loudness at the Mexico shows was very high.  If you need help, feel free to ask questions.  There are many tapers on this forum and we're always glad to help (and welcome to the forum as well!)