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Title: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: scatcat on November 30, 2007, 03:55:17
Okay, due to derailing of another thread, I decided to open a new thread, where booklovers can discuss BOOKS, and whatever they are currently reading, or have read..

I am currently reading.. WUTHERING HEIGHTS, by Emily Bronte.  I started to read this one again , due to Carnage Visor's influence about Kate Bush..!!
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Post by: Hero on November 30, 2007, 11:53:10
YEY BOOKS!

I just finished Wuthering Heights last week, its a bit confusing when the narrator changes but i really enjoyed it!

At the moment i am reading KITCHEN by Banana Yoshimoto, its a really beautiful book about death, love and kitchens!
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Post by: scatcat on November 30, 2007, 11:55:48
Banana  Yoshimoto?   :shock:
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Post by: Hero on November 30, 2007, 11:58:45
Banana  Yoshimoto?   :shock:

Yeah! Its not her real name though. She's Japanese and she thought Banana sounded cute and androgynous. Her real name is Mahoko.
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Post by: scatcat on November 30, 2007, 12:01:54
.. I was just checking it out on the net.. Her books sound very interesting..  :smth020
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Post by: Hero on November 30, 2007, 12:07:08
She's a really good author i would recommend her books to anyone.
I've nearly finished Kitchen and i have read Goodbye Tsugumi which was fantastic also, im going to read Lizard next   :smth023
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Post by: robiola on November 30, 2007, 15:02:05
A Book thread....Wheeeeeee!!!
Ok, where to start.... Lately I'm heavily into Tom Stoppard, anyone with me? Well, he actually writes plays, but hey, they've been published as books, so I say he qualifies. I'm currently reading Arcadia.

I read a couple of books by Banana Yoshimoto a few years ago, including Kitchen. They're very enjoyable, I remember gobbling up Kitchen in just a few hours. After a couple of books I kind of got tired of her style, though, she's a to-be-read-once-in-a-while author for me...
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Post by: Carnage Visor on December 02, 2007, 03:39:00
I am reading a great little novel by good old Stephen King called "NIGHT SHIFT" and when not reading that, I am reading "THINNER", also by Stephen King but under the pseudonym Richard Bachman.

Thanks for the mention, I hope you enjoy the book! I believe I own the movie...

Has anyone seen the picture of Simon Gallup kissing a photo of Kate Bush? It's pretty sweet!  :smth023

Peace guys!  :)
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Post by: robiola on December 02, 2007, 10:19:43
I am reading a great little novel by good old Stephen King called "NIGHT SHIFT" and when not reading that, I am reading "THINNER", also by Stephen King but under the pseudonym Richard Bachman.

Stephen King scares me stiff. The way he writes about fear and anguish is so amazing that I get inevitably caught up in it. I recently re-read The Shining and slept with the light on for a week. And I remember when I was 17 and I read Pet Semetary, I was so unsettled that I went to sleep with my mom for several nights, something I hadn't done since I was 6. I don't even like scary books usually, but I make an exception for King -- he has a rare talent.
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Post by: disintegration on December 02, 2007, 11:07:44
I read "Evocatiòn" by Aleida March, wife of el CHE!
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Post by: scatcat on December 02, 2007, 16:28:31
I am reading a great little novel by good old Stephen King called "NIGHT SHIFT" and when not reading that, I am reading "THINNER", also by Stephen King but under the pseudonym Richard Bachman.


I can tell you this, Stephen King was my first real love , in reading books. We never had many books, growing up, and there was a copy of Stephen King's 'Carrie' in our house. I tried to read it ( i was about 9 years old), but my mum caught me and confiscated the book. .... :smth011.. I found it again from the cupboard and read it, devouring the pages.. my love for the fantasy and thriller novels began...  :smth023
  I read EVERYTHING Stephen King wrote.IT.The Dead Zone. Firestarter. Pet Semetary,etc.. My favourite, The Stand.
  I read through all of his books, including those written under his alias.. ( rejecting novels we HAD to read at school)  I got up to 'Misery'..... I had to put the book down..I had, finally had enough of thrillers and fantasy. I was really sick from the horror in the book.. ( different from the movie as i recall) My journey in thrillers had ended.
  I do think that Stephen King is a great fiction writer, still. I have 'The Eyes Of The Dragon', which he wrote so his kids could read his books. I like this one for its lack of devious, psychopathic storytelling. This was the last book of his that I read.
  Stephen King brought out the 'reader' in me. He opened my mind and imagination, my emotions finally expressed in my creative writing.
 I pay homage to the great Stephen King. He is a very talented writer. Although i know I will never read another book written by him. It is not in my interests now.
 he did scare me.. finally in 'Misery'. I needed to close the book, so to speak.
   I suppose that is why I can only read non-fiction novels.. which in themselves can be quite horrendous!
  :smth020
 
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Post by: Hero on December 02, 2007, 17:08:25
Wow Stephen King! What a wonderfully messed up writer he is! He really knows how to scare people with words! I haven't read much by him, i have Four Past Midnight which is a book of four novellas including Secret Window, Secret Garden (the reason why i bought it, because i love the secret window movie).
All four of the stories are brilliant but i can't read them at bedtime :shock:
Today i started The Complete Tales and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe...so far so good!
"Resignedly beneath the sky the melancholy waters lie"
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Post by: robiola on December 02, 2007, 18:34:25
I read "Evocatiòn" by Aleida March, wife of el CHE!

What is it about? Is it good?
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Post by: disintegration on December 02, 2007, 18:38:38
is good book!
I have very much book about CHE Guevara!
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Post by: melly on December 03, 2007, 09:33:31
I also LOVE Stephen King,my imagination running wild, scaring myself!! Haven't read anything of his for a while though; I really enjoy John Grisham and Patricia Connolly; both write "forensic" type books, fictional, but enjoyable.
Thoroughly enjoy reading non-fiction too, no favourite author though, just depends on what sort of mood I am set in. Sometimes, reading about someone elses struggles and triumphs can just kick you along that bit further...
Quite often, as I settle down to read a good book, I find, after a short space of time, I am reading it through the backs of my eyelids!!
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Post by: robiola on December 03, 2007, 10:29:22
Ok, so nobody took me up on Tom Stoppard -- I guess he isn't very well known.

But I know you all know this all-time favorite author of mine.... I'm a huge Jane Austen fan!! I have read Emma so many times it's almost embarassing. Her writing has this sort of understated but wicked irony that thrills me down to my toes.
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Post by: Meddy on December 04, 2007, 01:36:20
Oh lovely, a book thread.  I absolutely love reading.  I think my obsession for reading is almost equal to my passion for the Cure.  I just finished reading the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind.  One of my fav authers is Caleb Carr.  He wrote the Alienst, the Angel of Darkness, and the far off Killing Time.  Has anyone else read those?  I have yet to meet, or interact with another person who has read any of Caleb's books and am just curious if any one else has discovered them... :smth023
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Post by: Lady on December 04, 2007, 12:51:04
I love reading! :smth001
Actually I'm reading "la scoperta dell'alba" by Walter Veltroni, an italian politician.

Anyway I prefer the classics of literature, as Kafka, Defoe, etc. and italian authors of course! :roll:

And I love STEPHEN KING and ANNE RICE! :smth023
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Post by: scatcat on December 04, 2007, 14:02:07
I just finished reading the Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind.  One of my fav authers is Caleb Carr.  He wrote the Alienst, the Angel of Darkness, and the far off Killing Time.  Has anyone else read those?  I have yet to meet, or interact with another person who has read any of Caleb's books and am just curious if any one else has discovered them... :smth023


@meddy.. what genre of books Do Terry Goodkind and Caleb Carr write? I haven't read any of them yet, but curious.
 :smth023
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Post by: Meddy on December 04, 2007, 18:46:50
They are fantasy books.  I was never into fantasy but a friend recommended Robert Jordan and I was all out of other reading material.  They are good books, than I discovered Terry Goodkind when looking at Marion Zimmer Bradley and found the first three books of his series for a very reasonable sale price.  I bought them because I finished the book I brought with me, and I had to wait through my son's surgery the next day.  That was last January/early February, and I just finished the last one that was finally release a couple weeks ago in hardcover.  AWESOME BOOKS!!! Goodkind has a quality about writing about the essence of human character, and decisions that have to be made.  I have cried with his books, yelled out in shock, and the whole works. Never has a book moved me to the point of being quite that verbal.
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Post by: silversand on December 04, 2007, 19:04:40
Have to confess that i haven't read a book from Stephen King jet. Are these books not to scary?
Of course i love reading!! At the moment i'm reading from Albert Camus The Happy Death.

I like to read books from e.g. Paul Auster, Nick Hornby, George Orwell, Irvine Welsh and Bret Easton Ellis. And i like to read plays e.g. from Shakespeare and Brecht :)
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Post by: Meddy on December 04, 2007, 19:11:05



@meddy.. what genre of books Do Terry Goodkind and Caleb Carr write? I haven't read any of them yet, but curious.
 :smth023
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Sorry about that, I got all excited.  Caleb Carr writes historical fiction based in the late 1890's early 1900's and they are based in New York City (except Killing Time which has to do with the future but not like sci-fi kind of future, but actually a future of man kind that is VERY believable in some respects).  I enjoy the Angel of Darkness and the Alienist because all the characters are very strong, and are historically accurate.  They have to do with serial killers, and the psychology bit, along with forensics, and it talks about the beginnings of fingerprinting, ballistics, and new breeds of legal proceedings (which is commonplace nowadays but not so much a hundred years ago).  I recommend those books, they are somewhat slow going to begin with, but if you are patient the pleasure of reading them definetly pays off...
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Post by: robiola on December 05, 2007, 10:58:09
I enjoy the Angel of Darkness and the Alienist because all the characters are very strong, and are historically accurate... it talks about the beginnings of fingerprinting, ballistics, and new breeds of legal proceedings (which is commonplace nowadays but not so much a hundred years ago).

I read the Alienist, although it was a long time ago and I don't remember the storyline very well. But I remember that I particularly liked seeing, in these days of CSI and all the books and shows with high-tech investigation techniques, the dawn of this type of investigation. In the "modern age" stories you sometimes get the feeling that the people investigating a crime are just there to implement the technology and they would get nowhere without it, but in the Alienist it was quite the opposite, and that's what I found so enjoyable. It's also the reason I still love to read and re-read Agatha Christie books, especially the Poirot ones -- just his little grey cells working!!
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Post by: scatcat on December 07, 2007, 12:27:34
This writer seems very much like an IRA LEVIN (This Perfect Day..one of my favourites, about futuristic colonies , computers rule,and big brother like 'mind control', steralisation and brainwashing, monthly 'treatments' and death occurs at the age of 62 in the interests of 'efficiency'... this one is a must read!!) also wrote Rosemary's Baby, Stepford Wives, The Boys From Brazil. Excellent writer.(1970's).
 I also like 'BRAVE NEW WORLD', by Aldous Huxley..these types of writers of their time, have used the available science ideas, whether they be outrageously science-fiction and totally unimaginable that the future will end up... to write books that ultimately predict the future to be just as it is...  :smth023
 also a great mention to John Wyndham.. 'The Chrysalids'..  about mutations and deviations in humans that force a kind of subterrainean life for those affected, including mutations such as e.s.p.

 Next on my reading list.. back to Albert Camus..Exile and the Kingdom  ! has anyone read this one?
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Post by: Janko on December 10, 2007, 15:28:56
I LIKE:

BUKOWSKI
CELINE
SARTRE
CAMUS
HEMINGWAY
KAFKA
DOSTOEVSKY
HARMS


...

THE MOST

(JUST TO NAME A FEW!)
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Post by: scatcat on December 10, 2007, 15:38:06
I LIKE:
BUKOWSKI
CELINE
SARTRE
CAMUS
HEMINGWAY
KAFKA
DOSTOEVSKY
HARMS
(JUST TO NAME A FEW!)

oooohhhh  :smth049  janko.. like a man reciting poetry..  :smth060

Dostoevsky, Sartre, Hemingway?

who would have known..?  a key to my heart!! 
as we say here in oz.. PLEASE EXPLAIN ?  love to hear a book review or two..  :smth020
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Post by: Hero on December 10, 2007, 19:07:12
Well, I've been of school sick again today :? but its been a wonderfull excuse to read all day!
At the moment i'm reading The Problem of Pain by C.S.Lewis its a brilliant thought provoking book, its written from a Christian view point and asks why God allows people to suffer - im not religious and i dont believe in God but i still found this interesting but i think people who do believe would get more out of this.
I've nearly finished it so next im going to read
Broken Glass: A Family's Journey through Mental Illness by Robert V. Hine - it looks really good too! :)
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Post by: robiola on December 10, 2007, 20:11:02
These days I'm in the mood for something nice and entertaining that doesn't require much concentration....So I'm relaxing with a book called City of Bones by Cassandra Clare. It's urban fantasy, which means it's set in New York in the present day, but it's got hot ironic demon hunters with rune tattooes, demons (well, obviously), sexy vampires, ancient myths and sacred quests....
It's meant to be a book for young adults, which I'm not  :( , but I'm enjoying it -- Cassandra Clare is really funny. One thing she does really well is sarcastic banter, and I'm a sucker for that!
 :smth066 :smth074
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Post by: melly on December 11, 2007, 10:00:46
"My Place" by Sally Morgan...true story.. when Sally and her siblings were very young, their Grandmother always said they were "Indian".... the kids knew they were different by the colour of their skin, so accepted Grannys explanation. Turns out they were, indeed, Aboriginal ( australian indigenous folk) and that the grandmother did'nt want the kids to go through what she, herself had experienced as an aboriginal, as in the racism shown towards them, plus being treated like a piece of sh!t.. so, Sally finds out eventually who she really is, and starts to trace her family, thus embarking on a highly emotional and spiritual journey. It was great reading, I loved it.... what the elder aboriginals had to put up with; slavery, being treated like 2nd class citizens... shameful..
And still, her Grandmother will never speak of her past..
a good, thought provoking book... :smth023
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Post by: melly on December 11, 2007, 10:08:57
Have to confess that i haven't read a book from Stephen King jet. Are these books not to scary?
Of course i love reading!! At the moment i'm reading from Albert Camus The Happy Death.

I like to read books from e.g. Paul Auster, Nick Hornby, George Orwell, Irvine Welsh and Bret Easton Ellis. And i like to read plays e.g. from Shakespeare and Brecht :)


To answer your question re Stephen King... his books are as scary as your imagination will allow!!  They're not horrific, just a good read... Try one... see what you think..
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Post by: scatcat on December 11, 2007, 13:13:04
Well, I've been of school sick again today :? but its been a wonderfull excuse to read all day!
At the moment i'm reading The Problem of Pain by C.S.Lewis its a brilliant thought provoking book, its written from a Christian view point and asks why God allows people to suffer - im not religious and i dont believe in God but i still found this interesting but i think people who do believe would get more out of this.
I've nearly finished it so next im going to read
Broken Glass: A Family's Journey through Mental Illness by Robert V. Hine - it looks really good too! :)


Great to have a whole day reading in bed hero!! hope u well.  :smth001
C.S.Lewsis often wrote about the Christian values.. I have not yet read 'The Problem of Pain'..
Broken Glass sounds very interesting.. I look forward to your views on this one!  :smth020

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Post by: Janko on December 11, 2007, 14:44:00
PLEASE EXPLAIN ?  love to hear a book review or two..  :smth020

NOT MUCH TO SAY
THOSE ARE THE WRITERS ANYONE SHOULD READ

CRIME AND PUNISHMENT, A FAREWELL TO ARMS, FOR WHOM THE BELLS TOLL, LES CHEMINS DE LA LIBERTE, NOTES FROM THE UNDERGROUND, NAUSEA, WOMEN, POST OFFICE, FACTOTUM, PROCES, STRANGER,  ...

THESE BOOKS ARE THE BASIC LITERATURE... IF YOU READ THOSE BOOKS YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THE WORLD MUCH BETTER!

JOURNEY TO THE END OF THE NIGHT IS A F***G BIBLE FOR ME...

CELINE IS AMAZING WRITER AND I BECAME A DIFFERENT MAN AFTER READING HIS BOOKS
BUT
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS I TOTALLY INTO SARTRE'S ROADS TO (OF) FREEDOM TRILOGY MASTERPIECE...

YOU SEE, THOSE ARE TERRIBLY DIFFERENT WRITERS (RIGHT WING VS. LEFT WING)BUT YOU CANNOT GET THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE HUMANITY WITHOUT THE BOTH SIDES...
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Post by: silversand on December 12, 2007, 18:50:20
To answer your question re Stephen King... his books are as scary as your imagination will allow!!  They're not horrific, just a good read... Try one... see what you think..



Thanks for your answer melly :) I always thought that they're scary or horrific. Now i know they're not :)
Which book of Stephen King would you recommend?
Thanks for your answer in advance :)
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Post by: scatcat on December 12, 2007, 19:00:13
To answer your question re Stephen King... his books are as scary as your imagination will allow!!  They're not horrific, just a good read... Try one... see what you think..

Thanks for your answer melly :) I always thought that they're scary or horrific. Now i know they're not :)
Which book of Stephen King would you recommend?
Thanks for your answer in advance :)


uumm... silversand.. the only one that is not scary at all is 'The Eyes Of The Dragon', which Stephen King wrote for his children to read... there are a few that aren't so graphically scarey.. The Stand, The Dead Zone, etc.. listed above. In all instances, this genre of books really relies upon your own imagination and interpretation of what suspense is written. In my case... I can't read them anymore. On that thought though, I have not read 1408 ( the latest to be made into a movie).. so maybe others can recommend some not-so-scarey ones. I do believe however that Stephen King is a genius in his genre!!
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Post by: robiola on December 12, 2007, 19:05:29
silversand, if you're up for a long book, The Stand is not very horrific, like Scatcat said, and I think it's fabulous.
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Post by: Janko on December 12, 2007, 21:29:21
  Which book of Stephen King would you recommend?
 

EVERY SINGLE ONE!
BUT DONT GET INTO DARK TOWER SERIES BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER END!!!
SERIOUSLY!
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Post by: Carnage Visor on December 13, 2007, 00:03:28
I suggest a book like Night Shift that contains many stories, so you can see some different styles and get some different ideas of the kind of stuff he puts out.

NIGHT SHIFT contains classic stories that were later turned into movies, such as "The Mangler", "Children Of The Corn", and "Graveyard Shift."

I suspect more, though...a few movies seemed to have carefully ripped off some of the short stories in NIGHT SHIFT and made them into films without giving credit to Mr. King...

Hmmmmm.... :)
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Post by: melly on December 13, 2007, 04:35:33
To answer your question re Stephen King... his books are as scary as your imagination will allow!!  They're not horrific, just a good read... Try one... see what you think..



Thanks for your answer melly :) I always thought that they're scary or horrific. Now i know they're not :)
Which book of Stephen King would you recommend?
Thanks for your answer in advance :)

There you go!! Lots of answers for you... That's the beauty of this place, so many people able to help out!! Just grab one, and start reading!!! Let your imagination run wild!!   Let us know what you think, won't u?? sorry if I'm slightly off topic, just didn't want silversand to think I wasn't going to reply!   :smth023
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Post by: scatcat on December 15, 2007, 16:15:30

THESE BOOKS ARE THE BASIC LITERATURE... IF YOU READ THOSE BOOKS YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THE WORLD MUCH BETTER!

JOURNEY TO THE END OF THE NIGHT IS A F***G BIBLE FOR ME...

CELINE IS AMAZING WRITER AND I BECAME A DIFFERENT MAN AFTER READING HIS BOOKS
BUT
IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS I TOTALLY INTO SARTRE'S ROADS TO (OF) FREEDOM TRILOGY MASTERPIECE...

YOU SEE, THOSE ARE TERRIBLY DIFFERENT WRITERS (RIGHT WING VS. LEFT WING)BUT YOU CANNOT GET THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE HUMANITY WITHOUT THE BOTH SIDES...


thanks JANKO!!   I read a review of Celine's Journey to the end of the night it sounds like an extraordinary book.. and it will be the next book on my list!!  ;)
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Post by: Carnage Visor on December 16, 2007, 02:25:06
I actually really want to read Alice In Wonderland, but not online. I can't really get into it when I'm online, because there's always the distraction of wanting to download music and all...

I want an original copy with art by John Tenniel (or whatever his name is), that seems to be the best art I've seen for that book.

NIGHT SHIFT is great, just finished reading Children Of The Corn and don't know where to go...happy reading, guys!  :smth001
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Post by: kissingcrimson on December 16, 2007, 04:18:03
"The war of Don Emanuel's nether parts", Louis De Bernieres

cochadebago de los gatos!
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Post by: Hero on December 17, 2007, 15:06:16
I've just read Steve & Me by Terri Irwin (I was a Crocodile Hunter fan  :rocker)
It was quite sad near the end though... a few tears but it was a nice book full of adventures and crocodiles! Long live Steve Irwin!

CV ~ Alice in Wonderland is brilliant, Lewis Carroll is my favourite author!
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Post by: silversand on December 17, 2007, 22:26:01
Thank you so much scatcat, robiola, Janko, Carnage Visor and melly for your help :)
You are all great  :smth023
Now i know which book of Stephen King i will buy  :)




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Post by: robiola on December 17, 2007, 22:45:10
Thank you so much scatcat, robiola, Janko, Carnage Visor and melly for your help :)
You are all great  :smth023
Now i know which book of Stephen King i will buy  :)

Let us know how it goes!
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Post by: Carnage Visor on December 19, 2007, 01:53:00
Any time!

Any way I can help, I'll do it!

And yes, my adaption of ALICE is quite odd, I'm not even following the book very closely. The Mad Tea Party and the falling down the hole are in tact, but in my version the Tea Party is towards the beginning.

I've also changed some characters and scenes. Alice is now in the forest, and she meets the Cheshire Cat, who begins to pet her. It's stupid, but I laughed at the thought of a cat petting a person. It's like the "Backwards Russia" jokes that Yakov Smirnoff tells...

Oh, and Alice in my story is 16 and a bit more witty and obnoxious than her original counterpart. I may be butchering a great book, but it's just for the school Newspaper, after all.
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Post by: japanesebaby on December 29, 2007, 19:08:41
i always end up re-reading old favorites of mine on holidays - maybe because i don't get new books as i don't get any presents anymore (poor me - haha). or maybe because i've grown lazy and don't want to take unnecessary risks on my spare time. ;)
anyway, currently:


Stanislaw Lem: Eden


it's a bit robinson crusoe kind of story at first, in a way: a spaceship crashes on an unexplored planet. but then, nothing much really happens there, other than that the crew tries to explore the planet while repairing their poor wretched ship - and they realize that they don't understand ANYTHING about this planet, it's beings, it's society.
in a way i could recommend it to anyone who's not even the slightest bit interested in sci-fi genre, because it's a strange sort of 'tour de force' of imagination: page after page after page lem is describing various things/views/creatures onfthis strange world, he describes everything in vivid details but the reader finds he's facing the exact same problem as the members of the crew: not understanding anything at all of what it's all about, what going on, what means what, what is the cause and what is the consequence in this or that. you're just left baffled all the time, with a "wtf was... that!?" kind of feeling.

i've read this book several times over the years. i must have read it for the first time some 15 years ago or so, i've read it regularly ever since. i think it's mostly because of the nature of the book: because there's always so much that you couldn't even properly picture in your mind (let alone really "get it"), i've noticed that this book always manages to preserve it's magic.
i also like the slightly laconic/sarcastically tinged dialogue that lem writes to his characters, in between describing all the lush (and to be honest, mostly undescribable) wonders.



(by the way, it's also a good excercise: try to picture something that just completely alien to you, that doesn't remind anything you've ever seen or anything you know anything about. or something that reminds something you know but in a completely wrong kind of way, so that you only get totally confused because you start interpreting things all wrong if you let the resemblance get into your brain. and then, try to write down a description of this thing to someonw else - now that's a real feat for the imagination: how to use common, regular, all-too-familair (even a bit too worn-out) words to describe something completely NEW!
just try it, it's fun! and also good for your brain, i'm sure! :D)



ps. if i should be asked to nominate a book to a list of books called "let's hope no-one never ever EVER gets an urge to try and make a movie out of THIS", then this is surely one!
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Post by: robiola on December 29, 2007, 20:57:10
(by the way, it's also a good excercise: try to picture something that just completely alien to you, that doesn't remind anything you've ever seen or anything you know anything about...
That could be the hardest part of the whole excercise! If you manage that, you may be halfway there.
Another difficult thing is the exact opposite -- describing familiar things with new words. It just gives me a little thrill when a writer describes something that's been written about a million times and manages to do it from a different perspective, using words or concepts I wouldn't have thought of, giving me a sense of discovery and recognition at the same time.

The book sounds fascinating, I always love a good book rec. :smth001
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Post by: japanesebaby on December 30, 2007, 10:33:25
(by the way, it's also a good excercise: try to picture something that just completely alien to you, that doesn't remind anything you've ever seen or anything you know anything about...
Another difficult thing is the exact opposite -- describing familiar things with new words. It just gives me a little thrill when a writer describes something that's been written about a million times and manages to do it from a different perspective, using words or concepts I wouldn't have thought of, giving me a sense of discovery and recognition at the same time.

the exact opposite - you're right!
i really love these aspects on language - too often language is perceived as "just words", a means of communication.
but there are so many different languages within one language... so much potential that remains unused in everday situations.
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Post by: scatcat on December 30, 2007, 10:48:32
One of my favourite books, written with words like poetry, is :
A Memoir: Colours of the Mountain, by Da Chen.

A memoir of Da Chen, growing up during the Cultural Revolution in rural China, and the aftermath of Mao's death.. a journey to escape poverty, hunger and ignorance: it is a book about friendships, prejudice, familial love and academic striving. he has such great determination and extraordinary faith, against the most impossible odds.

It is a great read, not as long as say, Wlid Swans, but very enjoyable.
Da Chen is a wonderful writer. Highly recommended!
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Post by: robiola on January 10, 2008, 14:31:05
@meddy
Guess what I'm reading... I picked up Terry Goodking's "Wizard's First Rule" on a whim because I remembered your recommendation... I'll let you know how it goes!
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Post by: scatcat on January 11, 2008, 15:24:53
"The war of Don Emanuel's nether parts", Louis De Bernieres

cochadebago de los gatos!


I really meant to ask kissing... is this what I think the nether parts are??  :shock: ... and why are they at war??   ;)
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Post by: Hero on January 21, 2008, 22:35:22
The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy: And Other Stories by TIM BURTON!!! :shock:

I didn't know he wrote a book, when i saw it i very nearly died! Its just a little book of short stories/poems but wonderful, just as good as his movies!
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Post by: Poe on March 29, 2008, 14:03:31
Mmmm, a book thread, yum yum. Lots of recommendations to devour. Good of you to like Bukowski, the dirty old loveable slob, hehe. I've read Ham on Rye, but Run with the hunted is the only Bukowski book I own. I suppose you've seen Born Into This?
By the way, I've spotted The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy by Tim Burton a couple of times in book shops, must fetch...

I have slightly strange reading habits I suppose, having regular fits at the library when I borrow tons of books that I skip between and re-borrow again and again and again...until the authorities come a-knockin'. :smth039

The latest book I finally finished was Girl with a pearl earring. Nah. Pff. That's pretty much my review. I have such respect for books it's hard to just leave them when nothing interesting has happened for a couple of hundred pages or so...

The books I've almost finished are, at present: Neverwhere - Neil Gaiman, To Kill a Mockingbird - Harper Lee, Gothic - Fred Botting (about the literary genre, interesting), Smashed - Koren Zailckas (autobiographical about a teenage alcoholic), The man who mistook his wife for a hat - Oliver Sacks (mm, brains...), and The New York Trilogy - Paul Auster. Then there may be another ten books I've just started on, like the afore mentioned Brave New World...

One of the books I've been trying to find is CHARLOTTE SOMETIMES - Penelope Farmer. You know, the book that our beloved Cure song was based on? Is it available on the net somewhere? Perhaps even...for free? Here's hopin'...

By the way, anyone who likes books on neuroscience, cognitive science, psychology, or any other brain related literature? Love it. I've been looking for "The brain that changes itself" by Norman Doidge for a couple of months now...
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Post by: Meddy on March 29, 2008, 17:36:08
Charlotte Sometimes had been out of print there for awhile, but I did notice while browsing online at Barnes N Noble, that they are re-printing it (starting in 2007) and that its available in hardcover for around $20.  It is a very good book and my copy is in quite rough shape as to the fact that I had found it in an antique shop in the middle of North Dakota about 13 years ago.
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Post by: Poe on March 29, 2008, 18:45:20
Charlotte Sometimes had been out of print there for awhile, but I did notice while browsing online at Barnes N Noble, that they are re-printing it (starting in 2007) and that its available in hardcover for around $20.  It is a very good book and my copy is in quite rough shape as to the fact that I had found it in an antique shop in the middle of North Dakota about 13 years ago.

Ooo, thanks for the info. I rarely buy books I haven't read already, but perhaps I'll make an exception...I hear the Cure song captures the book quite well.

(http://www.nybooks.com/shop/product-file/32/char6732/product.jpg)
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Post by: robiola on March 30, 2008, 01:05:13
The man who mistook his wife for a hat - Oliver Sacks (mm, brains...)
Isn't that brilliant? I picked up An Anthropologist on Mars by him last summer and I finished it in two days. Fascinating!

Those are the only two I've read. I've never heard of Norman Doidge -- similar stuff?
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Post by: Poe on March 30, 2008, 01:28:32
Isn't that brilliant?

Yes, love case studies. Thanks for the tip on An Anthropologist on Mars, sounds delectable.

I've never heard of Norman Doidge -- similar stuff?

I don't know that much about his book "The brain that changes itself", really, just that it got a good review in the magazine Scientific American Mind a while back, and that it's supposed to be an update on the research about the plasticity of the brain, which is quite fascinating...Don't know if he's written anything else.
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Post by: robiola on March 30, 2008, 01:49:34
Good old Norman is available on Amazon Uk... Sounds very interesting.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-7386701-2560640?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=norman+doidge (http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202-7386701-2560640?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=norman+doidge)
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Post by: Poe on March 30, 2008, 03:01:34
Mmmm, good reviews for Normie, albeit few...

I came to think about this book by the way, another one by Oliver Sacks: Musicophilia. I haven't read it, and it seems to have been given mixed reviews, but I figured it would be nice for Cure fans to hear about it, so they can have confirmed what they already now about the power of music... :-D

On the US amazon page, you can also watch a couple of short monologues with Oliver about the book (they're somewhere at the top of the page):

http://www.amazon.com/Musicophilia-Tales-Music-Oliver-Sacks/dp/1400040817/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1206838375&sr=8-1
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 03, 2008, 13:24:00
(http://i43.tower.com/cover-art/mm107819971/against-happiness-eric-g-wilson-hardcover-cover.jpg)

eric g. wilson: against happiness. in praise of melancholy.

http://us.macmillan.com/againsthappiness


Americans are addicted to happiness. When we’re not popping pills, we leaf through scientific studies that take for granted our quest for happiness, or read self-help books by everyone from armchair philosophers and clinical psychologists to the Dalai Lama on how to achieve a trouble-free life:Stumbling on Happiness; Authentic Happiness: Using the New Positive Psychology to Realize Your Potential for Lasting Fulfillment; The Art of Happiness: A Handbook for Living. The titles themselves draw a stark portrait of the war on melancholy.
 
More than any other generation, Americans of today believe in the transformative power of positive thinking. But who says we’re supposed to be happy? Where does it say that in the Bible, or in the Constitution? In Against Happiness, the scholar Eric G. Wilson argues that melancholia is necessary to any thriving culture, that it is the muse of great literature, painting, music, and innovation—and that it is the force underlying original insights. Francisco Goya, Emily Dickinson, Marcel Proust, and Abraham Lincoln were all confirmed melancholics. So enough Prozac-ing of our brains. Let’s embrace our depressive sides as the wellspring of creativity. What most people take for contentment, Wilson argues, is living death, and what the majority takes for depression is a vital force. In Against Happiness: In Praise of Melancholy, Wilson suggests it would be better to relish the blues that make humans people.



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Post by: revolt on October 03, 2008, 13:36:00
(http://i43.tower.com/cover-art/mm107819971/against-happiness-eric-g-wilson-hardcover-cover.jpg)

eric g. wilson: against happiness. in praise of melancholy.

http://us.macmillan.com/againsthappiness


Americans are addicted to happiness. When we’re not popping pills, we leaf through scientific studies that take for granted our quest for happiness, or read self-help books by everyone from armchair philosophers and clinical psychologists to the Dalai Lama on how to achieve a trouble-free life:Stumbling on Happiness; Authentic Happiness: Using the New Positive Psychology to Realize Your Potential for Lasting Fulfillment; The Art of Happiness: A Handbook for Living. The titles themselves draw a stark portrait of the war on melancholy.
 
More than any other generation, Americans of today believe in the transformative power of positive thinking. But who says we’re supposed to be happy? Where does it say that in the Bible, or in the Constitution? In Against Happiness, the scholar Eric G. Wilson argues that melancholia is necessary to any thriving culture, that it is the muse of great literature, painting, music, and innovation—and that it is the force underlying original insights. Francisco Goya, Emily Dickinson, Marcel Proust, and Abraham Lincoln were all confirmed melancholics. So enough Prozac-ing of our brains. Let’s embrace our depressive sides as the wellspring of creativity. What most people take for contentment, Wilson argues, is living death, and what the majority takes for depression is a vital force. In Against Happiness: In Praise of Melancholy, Wilson suggests it would be better to relish the blues that make humans people.






That's all very well, but as much as I love art, if being forced to chose between art and happiness, I'd take happiness any day.
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 03, 2008, 14:00:33
but as much as I love art, if being forced to chose between art and happiness, I'd take happiness any day.

:?:
sorry i don't understand what you mean. it's not about any choice between art and happiness...
it's about fake empty happiness (by which we are surrounded today and which undoubtedly is one of the biggest problems of our modern world), faked happiness that eventually kills creativity in us. and just because we're so keen to be "happy".
there's no happiness without a healthy amount of melancholy and if the melancholy side in us is being drugged with zoloft etc., we are putting off our possibilities to true and healthy happiness too.

(sorry if i'm jumping to conclusions but i somehow do feel like you didn't read the book, didn't you?)



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Post by: revolt on October 03, 2008, 14:21:41
but as much as I love art, if being forced to chose between art and happiness, I'd take happiness any day.

:?:
sorry i don't understand what you mean. it's not about any choice between art and happiness...
it's about fake empty happiness (by which we are surrounded today and which undoubtedly is one of the biggest problems of our modern world), faked happiness that eventually kills creativity in us. and just because we're so keen to be "happy".
there's no happiness without a healthy amount of melancholy and if the melancholy side in us is being drugged with zoloft etc., we are putting off our possibilities to true and healthy happiness too.

(sorry if i'm jumping to conclusions but i somehow do feel like you didn't read the book, didn't you?)





You're right, I didn't read it. I was just reacting to the summary you provided... And I agree with your comment, but the thing is, melancholy is just a thing that comes naturally to some people some time, it's part of them, but I don't think it is the kind of thing that you should cherish or support. I'm sure many melancholic people, if given the chance, would prefer not to be it. There are many ways we can be "deep" and "enrich" ourselves without delving deep into melancholia. Because that feeling can also be a disease, you know? (well, I'm not talking about myself here, don't worry).

And also, I'm aware that many of the most impressive works of art were produced under melancholic states or even more depressive and anguished states... But maybe many of the people who produced them would have prefered not to have been in the "adequate" psychological conditions to produce them. Do you understand what I mean?

Anyway, the search for (some kind of) happiness is probably the only thing that all humans have in common. There's nothing wrong in it. Maybe some of these forms of happiness are "superficial" but who are we to judge? A "non-superficial" person will find find his/her own way of pursuing happiness and enrichment, he/she will have no need for a book to advise him/her to do it...

I hope I've made myself more clear this time.  ;)
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 03, 2008, 19:29:35
Anyway, the search for (some kind of) happiness is probably the only thing that all humans have in common. There's nothing wrong in it.

of course there's nothing wrong with the search for happiness. it's something that we all yearn, all living things does, humans, animals, even plant life i believe... but i don't think that's the starting point here. it's about all that forced "fake" happiness of today. it's being poured upon us from all around, all the time: e happy, smiling, perfect people, successful people with prefect families, dream houses etc. etc. - we're being told that's what everyone wants and needs. it's not natural when it goes beyond certain point, when all things melancholy are deemed somehow "ill" and unnatural. when people come to feel that happiness is about being happy-happy-happy 24/7 and when they can't take a single moment of melancholy anymore, they can't take even the smallest misfortunes without resorting to pills or something. that's not natural.
and i think that's what the book states as it's starting point: that we should not reject melancholy as some sort of unwanted sickness. it's actually very vital for us, it's vital for our creativity. there must be both light and darkness. and all this artificial happiness is not constant light.

actually, the book has been criticized for glorifying melancholy, romanticizing it. but that's a general misunderstanding of its message. the writer actually posted an open message about this once, wanting to correct this misunderstanding by some critics. he said he never ever wanted to glorify depression or anything like that. he only wanted to try and point out how empty our lives will become (or, have already become) when we live in a society that teaches us to refuse the healthy balance of happiness and melancholy. and he chose to do this by showing how certain amount of melancholy is vital for creative spirit, how nothing springs out/gets created out of sheer happiness alone.
and in that i think he's quite right.
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Post by: revolt on October 06, 2008, 16:32:37
actually, the book has been criticized for glorifying melancholy, romanticizing it. but that's a general misunderstanding of its message. the writer actually posted an open message about this once, wanting to correct this misunderstanding by some critics. he said he never ever wanted to glorify depression or anything like that. he only wanted to try and point out how empty our lives will become (or, have already become) when we live in a society that teaches us to refuse the healthy balance of happiness and melancholy. and he chose to do this by showing how certain amount of melancholy is vital for creative spirit, how nothing springs out/gets created out of sheer happiness alone.
and in that i think he's quite right.


Well, I agree he's right. But is he saying anything new, really? At least since Freud, since psychology started to really develop as a science, it's been aknowleged that psychic health is really a question of balance between opposites: positive and negative, light and dark, good and evil, the pleasure principle and the instinct of death...

Now, it may happen that the book in itself is a good read, because it's really well written and researched and so on. It's just hard for me to understand what its "target" audience can be: "superficial" people will not be reading it, will they? And as for "non-superficial" people, well, I don't think they need to read it, either. Because, as far as I can understand from what you've written, the book will only be telling them things that they already know by themselves...
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 06, 2008, 17:32:42
t's just hard for me to understand what its "target" audience can be: "superficial" people will not be reading it, will they? And as for "non-superficial" people, well, I don't think they need to read it, either.

but when did "superficial" people read anything at all? so trying to "educate" was always useless.
i think even plato already said something like how in the end, in a democracy like ours, idiots rule anyway, and how by their greater numbers they can always suppress the ideas of those who by definition would "know better".
i don't doubt plato was right. but if we think this book is useless "because it has no audience" then i think we could just as well stopped writing all these kinds of books altogether and most of all we could have stopped it years and decades ago - even freud was doing it in vain. because íf we take that stance then we can say it was all in vain ever since plato's days... 

but people do write on, keep talking... just because they find it important.
so isn't that important as such?

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Post by: revolt on October 06, 2008, 18:05:48

but when did "superficial" people read anything at all?

Well, I think they do. I think most "best-sellers" are generally directed at people who I would call more or less "superficial".


but if we think this book is useless "because it has no audience" then i think we could just as well stopped writing all these kinds of books altogether and most of all we could have stopped it years and decades ago - even freud was doing it in vain. because íf we take that stance then we can say it was all in vain ever since plato's days... 

but people do write on, keep talking... just because they find it important.
so isn't that important as such?

Well, I'll be the first to say that it's better to talk than keep silent. With things we find important, that is.

But I also think that Plato and Freud did contribute something relevant and new, something that would always make a difference and would always find its audience, sooner or later. Whereas I was questioning whether Eric G. Wilson was in fact contributing anything that could be "classified" that way... So, maybe not the best comparison there?
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 07, 2008, 07:34:47
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but when did "superficial" people read anything at all?

Well, I think they do. I think most "best-sellers" are generally directed at people who I would call more or less "superficial".[/quote]

ok fair enough. i didn't intend to hint that people are totally dumb if they don't read. by "anything" i meant "anything a bit deeper, not readers' digest, bestsellers etc. -there's nothing wrong if people see reading as one form of entertainment, just like there's nothing universally wrong if people consider music or movies merely an entertainment. that's their choice and who am i to judge them? i just meant that you cannot judge a book (or a piece of music or a movie etc.) just by saying "the masses won't pick it up anyway". it's not the book's fault if people choose to look for mere entertainment instead. and therefore i really don't agree that we can think a book is "useless" if the masses don't pick it up.
by the way i find this especially curious coming from a person who (i think) is not at all into mainstream music - because if we use "superficial masses" as some sort of basis here, then shouldn't we then also say that all marginal music is not really worth anything because it has no mass audience? for instance all classical music today would be worthless then, all marginal bands, all underground art - basically, anything that doesn't sell.

and if the book doesn't have anything highly original to say:
sure, plato and freud had. but if we purpreme originality take that as a basic requirement, if we insist that a book is worth nothing unless it invents something completely "new" - then something like over 99% of everything written today is surely more or less useless. i mean, we can slag off almost everything published today with a "it's not as groundbreaking as plato was" - but then what?

personally i do think a book (or other such piece of art) does make difference if it manages to remind us about these things, if even one person picks it up and thinks "well this is interesting, i hadn't thought about this before", then it was worth something. the fact that "the superficial masses won't read it anyway"
so imo there IS some kind of value in taking certain topics up again, reminding people about them.
just my opinion.

anyway look, actually i only posted here in order to revive this thread, to make people to post what they are reading - not because i wanted to advertise this book and this book only. not because i think it's something that everyone "has to" read. surely there are similar books out there, but this is rather recent one and therefore someone interested in such things might come across it more easily than something published 50 years ago that has now been out of print for several decades.

see, i didn't start a new thread especially for this book or anything. it was just a post in a thread about books. if somebody thinks it's interesting, fine - if not, that's fine too. it was merely a "currently reading" kind of post. nothing more. so please, let's not keep fighting over this matter. everyone just please post what's currently on your nightdesk - regardless of whether it was a groundbreaking opus or not.
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Post by: revolt on October 07, 2008, 12:40:50
By I don't want to fight with you. I just like to discuss things and I also like to make myself clear. So I'll just answer a few of your comments in order that you don't get me wrong...


i just meant that you cannot judge a book (or a piece of music or a movie etc.) just by saying "the masses won't pick it up anyway". it's not the book's fault if people choose to look for mere entertainment instead. and therefore i really don't agree that we can think a book is "useless" if the masses don't pick it up.
by the way i find this especially curious coming from a person who (i think) is not at all into mainstream music - because if we use "superficial masses" as some sort of basis here, then shouldn't we then also say that all marginal music is not really worth anything because it has no mass audience? for instance all classical music today would be worthless then, all marginal bands, all underground art - basically, anything that doesn't sell.

I think you got me wrong here. My "the masses won't pick it" comment (which wasn't exactly stated that way, I clearly meant to say "the superficial people", not the masses) was only made in a context where I was trying to show I could not see an audience for this book: the superficial will never read it, the non-superficial won't need to read it, so most probably there will be no audience at all.



then something like over 99% of everything written today is surely more or less useless.

Ah, you know, but that's more or less what I think.  :-D And that's why I prefer reading the classics or maybe a few novelties that strike me as having something new to say to me... Because time is limited, I certainly don't have time to read books that tell me what I already know (well, there is an exception to this, of course: there are books that are such a pleasure to read that I find myself re-reading them, even if I already know everything that is there).


personally i do think a book (or other such piece of art) does make difference if it manages to remind us about these things, if even one person picks it up and thinks "well this is interesting, i hadn't thought about this before", then it was worth something. the fact that "the superficial masses won't read it anyway"
so imo there IS some kind of value in taking certain topics up again, reminding people about them.
just my opinion.

Well, OK, I think I understand your view. You know, people CAN understand one another, it's only that sometimes a little effort is needed to achieve that understanding.  ;)
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Post by: japanesebaby on October 07, 2008, 19:50:04
the superficial will never read it, the non-superficial won't need to read it, so most probably there will be no audience at all.

sorry, i don't completely understand your reasoning. non-superficial people don't need to read it - sure, i had no "need" to read it but i did. even though i know there's been a lot written about this subject. i don't understand how or why some topic should become boring and useless when "it's been said before". pretty much everything has been said before by now anyway.
i think you forget that there are always NEW readers out there who might pick this subject up for the first time. why didn't they pick up all those similar books that were written before? perhaps because they are badly out of print and hard to get. i can think of a lot of other good reasons. so to keep talking about something that is intersting IS interesting as such and has some value of its own, imo.

it's only that sometimes a little effort is needed to achieve that understanding.  ;)

sorry, but now i really don't know what you're hinting to here. that it will take some effort before you can indeed prove me wrong and make me chance my mind and "admit" that this book is useless and therefore i was simply wasting my time with reading it, not to mention make a post about it?  :?
now i just regret that i even posted in this damn thread. i though i made a simple harmless post and suddenly it became such a big issue. i don't know why.

(the strangest thing here is that i'm discussing a book with someone who didn't even read it...)
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Post by: revolt on October 08, 2008, 14:40:30
sorry, but now i really don't know what you're hinting to here. that it will take some effort before you can indeed prove me wrong and make me chance my mind and "admit" that this book is useless and therefore i was simply wasting my time with reading it, not to mention make a post about it?  :?

No, it's not that at all. I don't mean to prove you wrong or win you to my side on this. Or in general. What I meant is that after we've discussed things I have finally understood your opinion better. And hopefully my opinion had been made clearer to you too, but apparently that hasn't been the case...

And that " ;)" was there because in the "How beautiful you are" thread there was this sense that "no one ever understands another". It was a light joke - "see, WE seem to be understading each other now". Apparently I was being a little optimistic. But it doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying... And please, I'm not being ironic or sarcastic here. I wish you didn't read things in my posts that aren't there at all.
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Post by: Poe on December 28, 2008, 15:14:13
Hmm, time to get some life back into this thread. Reading everything and nothing at once as usual (go figure), but here's one book that stands out:

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Women in Love - D.H. Lawrence

Wouldn't say it's my kind of book, I can see why some people can't finish it, but nonetheless, I quite like it. It's the language, the strong female characters and the philosophical musing that does it I guess.
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Post by: scatcat on December 28, 2008, 18:04:53
Currently reading ( or trying to concentrate to read.. ).  :lol:

'bird by bird'  some instructions on writing and life, by anne lamott.   :smth023

It is an extremely down-to-earth book on anyone out there for those who have always thought of writing a book.

Just to quote the blurb: ' Thirty years ago my older brother, who was ten years old at the time, was trying to get a report on birds written that he'd had three months to write. It was due the next day. We were out at our family cabin in Bolinas, and he was at the kitchen table close to tears, surrounded by binder paper and unopened books on birds, immobilized by the hugeness of the task ahead. Then my father sat down beside him, put his arm my brother's shoulder, and said, " bird by bird", buddy. Just take it bird by bird."'

 With every page, I have found myself giggling at the reality and rawness of writing..learnt over years of trial and error. It is a beautifully written book, absolutely wise and helpful. It is not only a book for writers, or writers-to-be, but for any reader who maybe sometimes think.. hmmm.. maybe I could become an author.

 .. even if you don't think you may ever get to put your life down in a book someday, I highly encourage THIS book, as an overture to life, in general, a very funny, and realist view to life..

I highly recommend this book to all those creative out there- this book has MANY creative ideas ( not just writing) and inspiring ideas on viewing the 'outside' world as more or-less an experiment.

4 stars for me!! Really funny and truly inspiring.   :smth020



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Post by: Hero on December 29, 2008, 06:29:37
I'm reading 'I Capture The Castle' by Dodie Smith (the person who wrote One Hundred and One Dalmations, genius, obviously)

Anyway it's about a girl called Cassandra (I like that name) and her family live in a real castle but its a bit run down and her father is an eccentric reclusive author who hasn't worked in years so they have no money.

It's basically just about her life and family and first love.
I've not finished it yet but it's quite good. I found it on a list of books you should read before you turn 21. I'm not too sure if i would agree.  :roll: It's good but not life changing.

Next up 'The Painted Bird' by Jerzy Kosiński (most probably because of the Banshees conection  :lol: )

Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: fiction on December 31, 2008, 01:48:36
I´m on the first book of Cormac McCarthys Border trilogy, "All the Pretty Horses" and as always Mr McCarthy has the ability to describe the dullest shades of grey with the spectrum of a brilliant rainbow and completely seduce you with what could otherwise has been a trivia story.
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: Meddy on January 08, 2009, 03:37:33
@meddy
Guess what I'm reading... I picked up Terry Goodking's "Wizard's First Rule" on a whim because I remembered your recommendation... I'll let you know how it goes!
So did you ever finish reading it??  I just realized a couple of weeks ago that they have made Terry's book series into a TV series...I give them an A for effort but it's rather dull and bland in comparison to the books..

FYI to anyone planning on reading The Sword of Truth Series, please do not decide to not read them based upon the possiblity that you may have seen a TV episode.
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: alt.end on February 04, 2009, 18:37:51
This one is HILARIOUS: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Watching-English-Hidden-Rules-Behaviour/dp/0340818867

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AFVSWH53L._SS500_.jpg)

Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: japanesebaby on July 10, 2009, 13:05:09
talk about book in some other threads made me thought about resurrecting this thread.

has anybody read any works by a japanese writer haruki murakami?

i read an article about him in a magazine the other day and his work sounded really interesting. i'm currently trying to get hold of this one:

(http://www.murakamibooks.co.uk/_assets/images/skin/book-jackets/b/kafka-on-the-shore.jpg)

kafka on the shore (http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2005/jan/08/fiction.harukimurakami)


website: http://www.murakami.ch/

Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: japanesebaby on August 17, 2009, 19:44:24
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bRInPM6FL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)

Ursula LeGuin: Buffalo Gals And Other Animal Presences

a collection of short stories and poems

the title story (that gives the book its name) is a fantastic story about a girl who survives a plane crash in the middle of sage brush country somewhere in the west, and enters a sort of dream time, an animal presence, where coyote and other animals take her in and show her a different world:


...
"i don't understand why you all look like people" she [the child] said.
"we are people." [said Coyote]
"i mean, people like me, humans."
"resemblance is in the eye", Coyote said.
[...]
"you mean what i'm seeing isn't true? isn't real - like on TV or something?"
"no", Coyote said. "hey that's a tick on your collar." she reached over, flicked the tick off, picked it up on one finger, bit it, and spat out the bits.
"yecch!", the child said. "so?"
"so, to me you're basically greyish yellow and run on four legs. to that lot -" she waved disdainfully at the warren of little houses next down the hil-  "you hop around twitching your nose all the time. to hawk, you're an egg., or maybe getting pinfeathers. see? it just depends on how you look on things."
...





the other stories swirl around anything from discussions about the difficulties about understanding penguin dialects, there's a scientist's report (and an attempted translation) of acacia seed poems by an unknown ant poet found inside a deserted ant hill to a story about  a distant planet  covered by only plants and trees which share one single consciousness.

this is a really wonderful and magical book, like all leguin's work i've read so far. but even though this isn't one of her major works, this might be my favorite.  
definitely recommended.
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: PerfectBlueSkyDolls on February 21, 2010, 05:47:33
Two words..

Chuck Palahniuk

http://chuckpalahniuk.net/ (http://chuckpalahniuk.net/)

Best author I have ever read. I recommend, well, all of his work!
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: dsanchez on February 25, 2010, 17:05:50
I bought four books yesterday, and started with one I wanted to read since long, long time ago: OSCAR WILDE - The picture of Dorian Gray

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Picture_of_Dorian_Gray)

What about you guys, what are you currently reading?
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: skellington on February 25, 2010, 19:12:41
Nice choice!  :smth023 I read that book (Dorian Gray) It was very interesting and very Wilde. :-D I just finished reading "Charlotte Sometimes" and loved it. I started reading MetaMorphosis by Anothony Murkar who has had a difficult journey battling his disease (same as me)It is good so far
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on November 01, 2012, 16:59:57
Just bought these two:

Stephen King: 11/22/63
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11/22/63 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11/22/63)

José Saramago: Death with Interruptions (original: As Intermitências da Morte)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_with_Interruptions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_with_Interruptions)
Title: Re: HERE IT IS... THE BOOK THREAD !!
Post by: PicturesOfYou on November 01, 2012, 18:50:16
Two words..

Chuck Palahniuk

http://chuckpalahniuk.net/ (http://chuckpalahniuk.net/)

Best author I have ever read. I recommend, well, all of his work!


I like him too! I've read Choke, Invisible Monsters, Diary... I generally read all kind of stuff, but when I discovered the cure I started reading some Camus' works...he thrilled me! Now that I go to university fortunately I read more than before :P
And the last book I read was "Lolita" by Nabokov... a beautiful work, but a bit...ehm...disturbing   :smth040
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on November 19, 2012, 23:30:55
just opened an account in goodreads. is anyone else there?

http://www.goodreads.com/dsanchezvasquez (http://www.goodreads.com/dsanchezvasquez)

Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on September 13, 2014, 02:33:11
Currently reading "El Aleph" a collection of short stories by Jorge Luis Borges. Very complex writing and thus not so easy to understand. I must confess I had to read sometimes twice certain paragraphs to try to understand the idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aleph_(short_story_collection) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aleph_(short_story_collection))
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5787.The_Aleph_and_Other_Stories (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5787.The_Aleph_and_Other_Stories)
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Maya on March 24, 2015, 19:25:50
Currently reading "El Aleph" a collection of short stories by Jorge Luis Borges. Very complex writing and thus not so easy to understand. I must confess I had to read sometimes twice certain paragraphs to try to understand the idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aleph_(short_story_collection) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Aleph_(short_story_collection))
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5787.The_Aleph_and_Other_Stories (http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5787.The_Aleph_and_Other_Stories)

You tried Borges?  :) That's impressive.. He is very enigmatic and esoteric but also a bit cluttered with a lot of references.. I had the same experience as you, rereading passages.. I have read Aleph about 6 or so years ago.. I can't say I remember much about it other than the fascination with this Aleph entity/dimension which I have been searching for since I can remember (.. sometime at the age of discovering Yoda of Star Wars and his groovy self-mastery powers :P )..
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: MeltingMan on May 18, 2015, 10:19:24
I'm currently reading Historien om Västfronten by Nils Fabiansson, another book
about a "disappeared world", but an outstanding one without the usual political focus
on peace and war. Well researched with new or forgotten details and photos. A German edition
is still questionable, but I recommend the unabridged Swedish edition. :smth023
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on January 08, 2018, 11:14:00
Currently reading "La ciudad y los perros" (The city and the dogs) from one of my favourite authors, Mario Vargas Llosa. I have read most of his work and left for the end his first long novel.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/oct/07/mario-vargas-llosa-five-essential-novels
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Ulrich on January 08, 2018, 14:12:28
After Christmas, I finished reading Bob Dylan's "Chronicles Vol.1".
Currently I'm reading "Sturmwarnung" by Stefan Kruecken (about the life of "Kapitän Schwandt", who spent most of his life working on ships), which was a Xmas gift.
Next up I want to read "Nullnummer" (original title: "Numero Zero") by Umberto Eco.
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: PearlThompsonsBloodflowers on January 08, 2018, 18:29:22
Currently re reading Cured. I got it for Christmas n finished it in 3 days. I am re readin it just bc I love the book so much even if I'm not huge on Lol anymore.
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on April 03, 2018, 23:26:12
Watching a series in Netflix and the main character wrote some interesting stuff that is in my to-read list:

Technological Slavery: The Collected Writings of Theodore J. Kaczynski, a.k.a. “The Unabomber” (http://ia800300.us.archive.org/21/items/tk-Technological-Slavery/tk-Technological-Slavery.pdf)

Seems something worth reading, specially for those pasted to their mobile phones everyday...
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Ulrich on April 04, 2018, 11:13:28
I'm currently reading Dan Brown's "Origin".
I've never been his biggest fan, but mostly his books were "entertaining", even though the adventures of Professor Langdon always follow the same pattern: he gets into some kind of mysterious adventure, meets a woman he can drag along through secret pathways, while solving a "mystery" and on the way explaining some (religious or other) "symbols"...

Seems something worth reading...

Are you sure? The guy was probably right to be a critique of industrialization etc., but apart from that he seems a little insane...
I myself do not think it's worth reading if the guy who wrote it thinks his own writing is so important he needs to kill to get people to read it.  :roll:

From Wikipedia:
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Theodore John Kaczynski (/kəˈzɪnski/; born May 22, 1942), also known as the Unabomber, is an American domestic terrorist. A mathematics prodigy, he abandoned an academic career in 1969 to pursue a primitive lifestyle, then between 1978 and 1995 he killed three people, and injured 23 others, in a nationwide bombing campaign targeting those involved with modern technology. In conjunction, he issued a social critique opposing industrialization and advancing a nature-centered form of anarchism.

In 1995, he sent a letter to The New York Times and promised to "desist from terrorism" if the Times or The Washington Post published his manifesto, Industrial Society and Its Future, in which he argued that his bombings were extreme but necessary to attract attention to the erosion of human freedom and dignity by modern technologies that require large-scale organization.

How did you write your post btw? Using any kind of modern technology?   ;)
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on April 04, 2018, 12:11:32
Are you sure? The guy was probably right to be a critique of industrialization etc., but apart from that he seems a little insane...
I myself do not think it's worth reading if the guy who wrote it thinks his own writing is so important he needs to kill to get people to read it.  :roll:

he is insane, but most genius were/are insane. Yes, I obviously disapprove his way of making his thinking known, but the few I read, I agree with. Plus the guy was subject of an experiment when he was student in Harvard, this definitely fucked him up and probably made him do the (bad) things he did.
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Ulrich on April 04, 2018, 12:55:38
he is insane, but most genius were/are insane.

I know. And if you won't read my genius postings here, I'm gonna kill someone!  :x  :P  ;)

Anyway, I'm 99% certain there are better authors out there warning about industrialization, finance system and so on - only they are modest enough not to kill someone to get heard...
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: dsanchez on April 04, 2018, 21:00:52
Anyway, I'm 99% certain there are better authors out there warning about industrialization, finance system and so on - only they are modest enough not to kill someone to get heard...

will let you know after reading ;)
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Ulrich on April 05, 2018, 09:26:31
will let you know after reading ;)

Reading that after watching a series via "netflix" (!) is ... oh well you know...  :lol:

Before letting me know you should of course read other critics' works, for example:
Friedrich Georg Jünger: Die Perfektion der Technik, Frankfurt am Main: Klostermann, 8. Auflage 2010 [written in 1939!!]

Michael Adas: Machines as the Measure of Men. Science, Technology, and Ideologies of Western Dominance. Cornell University Press, Ithaca NY u. a. 1990

Wolfgang Klems: Die unbewältigte Moderne. Geschichte und Kontinuität der Technikkritik. GAFB – Gesellschaft zur Förderung Arbeitsorientierter Forschung und Bildung, Frankfurt am Main 1988

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Prominente Vertreter der Technikkritik sind u. a. Friedrich Georg Jünger, Günther Anders, Jacques Ellul, und Lewis Mumford. In einem weiteren Sinn kann man auch Teile des Werks von Martin Heidegger und die kritische Technikgeschichte (David F. Noble) der Technikkritik zurechnen.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technikskepsis

(Yes, I used google to find some info... :oops:)
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: MeltingMan on April 05, 2018, 17:26:53
I'm just finishing Joséphin Péladan 1858-1918 by Christophe Beaufils.
The next one will be Röda rummet by Strindberg.
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: chemicaloverload on July 15, 2018, 22:13:56
I landed in Espania with no books. Luckily I found a little market in a town outside of Barcelona where they had a donation stall with some English books. I picked two up and I just finished reading the first one called “nobody true” by James Herbert. I had not prepared myself for it’s content. It’s not the kind of book you read on the beach in the sun...it’s a night book, for when everyone is asleep and can’t see your face twisting as you read the words, asking you ‘good book?’ in the process, only to be met with a silent nod.

Asides from that, I recommend it. To those with a strong stomach :)
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: Ulrich on October 08, 2018, 10:46:00
I'm reading "Room to Dream" written by David Lynch and Kristine McKenna

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An unusual hybrid of biography and memoir, Room to Dream alternates chapters by each writer. First, co-author McKenna supplies a conventional biographical account of Lynch’s life, reported through conversations with his family members, his friends from childhood to the present day, and such collaborators and supporters as Kyle MacLachlan, Laura Dern, and Naomi Watts; then Lynch responds to that material in chapters that read like transcribed and lightly edited interviews.

Room to Dream devotes almost as much of its page count to his visual-arts career as to his films. He loves to make things with his hands, from the shed he built for his landlord out of scrap wood when he was living in a Hollywood bungalow during the 1970s to the furniture he has designed more recently...
He began making short art films after feeling the desire to add movement to his paintings.

Room to Dream runs on the ebullience of Lynch’s creative process: his gee-willikers enthusiasm, his quirks, his often cryptic yet effective direction of actors (“It needs a little more wind,” he once told MacLachlan, the star of Blue Velvet and Twin Peaks), his openness to improvisation and luck, his do-it-yourself spirit. By all accounts, actors adore him, and a few—Nance, Dern, Watts—have worked for him repeatedly, even when it meant having to do things like don suffocating rabbit costumes to make web videos that no one understands. Don Murray, whose Hollywood career stretches back to playing opposite Marilyn Monroe, describes the set of Twin Peaks: The Return as the happiest he had ever been to. The Lynch of Room to Dream is uniformly kind, considerate and cheerful, with an almost superhuman ability to remember everybody’s first name, even if it’s just the kid who brings him coffee.

Of course, the great puzzle of David Lynch is how this sunny personality can create such disturbing films. Or perhaps it’s no puzzle at all, and every shadow in his psyche gets so comprehensively siphoned off onto screen and canvas that there’s none left to trouble his actual life.
https://slate.com/culture/2018/06/david-lynchs-memoir-room-to-dream-reviewed.html
Title: Re: Here it is... the book thread!
Post by: chemicaloverload on November 03, 2018, 21:08:35
Finishing off Victorian Murders by Jan Bondeson. Not only does she tell you of the murders, but the locations of the houses today.