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Title: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on December 25, 2008, 16:46:23
Aired December 19, 2008 (Interview took place on May 10th, 2008 in Philadelphia, Pa.)

"I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit.  I’m not being dramatic, but I’m fifty next year and we're doing the thirtieth anniversary DVD, and I really feel I want it to blossom into kind of like the big end.  It will be a really good feeling.  So I don't have these dreams of continuing on for another, like, ten years.  I would be actually quite horrified if we were sitting in this room in ten years' time.  I think this is a really natural, kind of, "closing the circle" sort of end for the band, but inside the band we kind of feel that, we're going places.  Like tonight, we were saying it's like the last time we play Philadelphia, it's like yesterday the last time we played Washington, we're going on stage with that kind of mentality, and I think it shows in the ways that we're playing."

The complete interview
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/worldcafeinterview.html (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ChainofFlowers/worldcafeinterview.html)

(thanks to the loudestcure forum)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: sullen on December 25, 2008, 17:10:51
That is sad if it's true this time...
Kind of believable at this point with his age   :(
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Druide on December 25, 2008, 17:42:57
Aired December 19, 2008 (Interview took place on May 10th, 2008 in Philadelphia, Pa.)

"“closing the circle”

...but circle never ends...

 8)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Poe on December 25, 2008, 18:29:38
Aaw, no Greatest Hits 2 in 2025? Anyhow, sounds very reasonable this time. How about fading out with tours for the next twenty years? Guess not... :(
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: sullen on December 25, 2008, 21:15:58
more of a reason to go to london.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Virpi on December 25, 2008, 23:06:03
one reason more to do a suicide
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on December 25, 2008, 23:34:46
one reason more to do a suicide

I don't think Robert would be too much happy if he reads what you wrote, and I hope you're not talking seriously anyway.

If you need to talk about something in particular, please PM. I don't know how much I can help, but I always like to listen. We all have/had hard times Virpi, just hang in there...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Hero on December 26, 2008, 01:06:59
"I'm not being dramatic" Haha, that made me laugh.

Even if this is the last Cure album  :( (even though i really hope it isn't, how many times has Robert talked about the end before)
We still have Roberts legendary solo career to look forward to.  8)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: nausearockpig on December 26, 2008, 06:41:22
does anyone remember the comments made after the release of, and tour for Disintegration??? I'm not implying that The Cure will go on till Robert croaks on stage but it's really hard go gauge just exactly what he means given that he's not put a DEFINITIVE lifespan on the band, regardless of the comments made above - i mean, check out his track record... now I hope I haven't jinxed it by writing that...

and weren't they signed to IAM records for a three album deal? assuming of course that the "dark album" isn't treated as a third album [due to it being recorded in the same sessions as 4:13 Dream] we should have another album coming.. so another 5 years at least.... LOL
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: nausearockpig on December 26, 2008, 06:41:48
oops, didn't read Hero's post... what s/he said
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Poe on December 26, 2008, 12:24:24
Even if this is the last Cure album  :( (even though i really hope it isn't, how many times has Robert talked about the end before)

I know Robert's "threatened" to end it all several times before but to me, it rings much more true this time, at least when it comes to further album releases. I'm not a big fan of the two latest albums. Granted that may have quite a lot to do with that butchery they call a studio nowadays, but if the upcoming album isn't any different, then well...I could always leave of course.  :smth086

They're still great live though, and I don't know about the three album deal, so...maybe he is being just a leetle dramatic.  :P
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on December 26, 2008, 12:30:36
Well RS can be a bit of a punist sometimes and the last song on that (noisy) last album is titled "It´s Over". Is he telling the truth this time?

And (hope You don´t dislike me for this) it aint the same act live today as it was in the early 80´s. They are not bolts of pure energy anymore. Hey, he´s turning 50 and the band is constantly touring. It has got to take its cost somewhere. I just mean to say that over the year this band has constantly doing more than anyone could have think of. They never really was the journalists favourites in the cradle years but they kept on fighting. And perhaps they wasn´t the most talanted musicians but still they produced. And all around them at that time was the punk and still they stood their style and took a wave of their own and ride it and even tamed it. I think it´s a huge achievement!

And should they quit now I still have their music and a bunch of great memories to take hold on.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Lady on December 26, 2008, 16:35:56
Do we really need to think about this now?? :(
Don't know if this time it's true, but I wanna be positive...not necessary 10 years yet, but 4-5 years... I'm sure they can still go on!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Poe on December 26, 2008, 17:16:08
And (hope You don´t dislike me for this) it aint the same act live today as it was in the early 80´s. They are not bolts of pure energy anymore.

Sure it's different from when they were in their prime (career-wise and age-wise), but you can be an artist pushing 50 or 60 and still have "it" on stage. I only have live videos to go after though since I was only two years old at most during the 80's, hehe, so I don't really know what it was like. However, I have heard from people who went to their concerts back then and who think Robert and the band seem happier on stage now...

Anyhow, I for one would like to have a big fat tour at the end of it all so we could say thank you and goodbye to them properly...if not, the music and the memories would be a good comfort.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on December 26, 2008, 18:34:14
Anyhow, I for one would like to have a big fat tour at the end of it all so we could say thank you and goodbye to them properly...if not, the music and the memories would be a good comfort.
Yeah A Good Bye Tour (if and when they are ready to do one) should bring out even the most reluctant fans (such as me) to the concerts again.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: jbud1980 on December 27, 2008, 00:33:54
statements like that and situations like this always make me say i wish i were ten years older. seriously, i turned 28 a few months ago and i could not be more appalled at the current state of music. yes, i grew up with great bands like the smashing pumpkins, alice in chains and rage against the machine, yet by the time i was old enough to see these bands live, they had already disbanded. most new music seems to lack passion and sounds extremely repetitive, with an ultimate goal of selling out, and selling out quickly. i envy those who could say they saw the cure at dodger stadium in 1989 or irvine meadows back in 1985, i really do. however, i have been fortunate enough to see the cure a total of five times in the past five years, and we all know that all good things come to an end. it just sucks to be this age and to have absolutely no musical outlet except for the bands of a generation i can't empathize with.  :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: blackvirginia on December 27, 2008, 11:13:18
Noooooooo!oh, please, noooo!!!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on December 27, 2008, 11:56:24
statements like that and situations like this always make me say i wish i were ten years older. seriously, i turned 28 a few months ago and i could not be more appalled at the current state of music.

 it just sucks to be this age and to have absolutely no musical outlet except for the bands of a generation i can't empathize with.  :?

Well I think these thoughts of Yours are common thoughts, atleast not unusuall. I have heard lots of people who are 20 years older than You said the same thing and wishing they could have seen Stones, Cream, Beatles, Dylan or Paul Koosof in the 60´s and 70´s. Before their heroes got old, disbanded, died or just because they wanted to see them in their cradle year, their prime time.

So hang in there and enjoy Your part of the musical cykle. It can´t e that bad, huh?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: lostflower4 on December 27, 2008, 21:30:02
statements like that and situations like this always make me say i wish i were ten years older. seriously, i turned 28 a few months ago and i could not be more appalled at the current state of music. yes, i grew up with great bands like the smashing pumpkins, alice in chains and rage against the machine, yet by the time i was old enough to see these bands live, they had already disbanded. most new music seems to lack passion and sounds extremely repetitive, with an ultimate goal of selling out, and selling out quickly. i envy those who could say they saw the cure at dodger stadium in 1989 or irvine meadows back in 1985, i really do. however, i have been fortunate enough to see the cure a total of five times in the past five years, and we all know that all good things come to an end. it just sucks to be this age and to have absolutely no musical outlet except for the bands of a generation i can't empathize with.  :?

Well, I'm only 29 and I feel fortunate to have discovered them in 1992 when they were still at their peak, in my opinion. It was cool to see them get recognition they really deserved

However, I do find it sad that things changed so quickly after that — with the departure of Porl and Boris, etc., along with a general shift in music trends.

While I came to accept the lineups after this, they've never had the same power since Mr. Williams left the band. And while I know saying this kind of thing might offend some people, I'm sure that's just one of the many reasons that people look at the '80s Cure so fondly, whether they may realize it or not).

As for this recent "end of the band" talk, I can't take it too seriously one way or the other. I suspect that it's nearly impossible for Robert to completely stop doing The Cure, and there's obviously a ton of evidence supporting this view.

However... While few will argue that the band is still at its peak, they are still very respectable performers and I would honestly hope they stop before that changes.

Unfortunately, I think that Robert is having some serious issues with his voice. Just take what happened in the middle of the last North American tour, the Rome MTV special in October, and the recent KROQ show. It's amazing he managed to recover in between that time, but it suggests that something just isn't quite right there.

And frankly, it's pretty embarrassing when you see "classic" band and the lead singer can't sing anymore. I'm not saying it's embarrassing for The Cure yet since it's an on and off thing, but I'm starting to wonder how much longer he can hold it all together.

In the end, I won't have too many complaints when the band completely comes to an end. They've already had more meaningful output than just about any other band in history, so I think we should just be thankful for that.

Also, Robert once said that more unreleased stuff is likely to come out when The Cure is officially done — so I'm sure we'll still get our fill from time to time.  :D





Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: nadia-domingos on December 28, 2008, 03:30:47
it is kinda sad :'( but at the same time it's true what he says.. but the'll never end, not for me. they'll always be alive in my heart and in my life, till i die :)

 
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: boo on December 28, 2008, 15:11:16
  :( ... i believe the "dark album" will be their last. maybe another big concert ("to close the circle") and a few shows around the world but that's it. sad but we have to face it. and if you look closely Roberts hair is going. I was quite amazed/shocked how "bald" he looked during the wembley gig at the end of the show...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: M on December 28, 2008, 16:02:09
I haven't seen them live yet

:smth088 :smth087
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: jbud1980 on December 28, 2008, 17:46:45
So hang in there and enjoy Your part of the musical cykle. It can´t e that bad, huh?

No, I guess it isn't that bad, probably because I do not listen to the radio anymore. If I do, it is a classic rock station. The Mars Volta and Muse are two newer bands I am quite fond of, and have seen live a few times.   8)

I keep picturing myself telling my kids about the multiple Cure concerts I attended just like my dad tells me about the multiple Zeppelin concerts he went  to.  :smth023
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: boo on December 28, 2008, 18:35:59
i did listen to the interview and it doesnt sound that bad... i mean robert is realistic by what he is saying. why should he drag himself on stage when he doesnt feel like doing it anymore? he certainly doesnt need the money.
i give them another 5 years... robert is going to be nearly 55 by then (its the early retirement age for men here in the uk....lol)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: M on December 28, 2008, 18:45:23
Don't he dare quitting..I wish I hadn't heard that stupid interview :smth022
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: boo on December 29, 2008, 12:20:40
quite a few bands made the mistake to carry on after they past their sell-by date and lost their dignity.... Robert won't make the same mistake and i admire him for that... as hard as it's going to be ....
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: DJscribbles on December 29, 2008, 21:34:45
THINK OF THE CHILDREN, THINK OF THE CHILDREN DAMN IT!!

oh god, please no. they still have so many years left!! they still have so much to do - like play south america, etc. etc. play the places they never did! HE'S NOT QUITE 50 YET!! others much older than them continued to play with dignity still intact! aretha franklin for example, many others!! and what is he going to do for the rest of his life? they are going too early - the fans still want more.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: lostflower4 on December 30, 2008, 22:04:00
THINK OF THE CHILDREN, THINK OF THE CHILDREN DAMN IT!!

But there will always be some youngsters who like The Cure, even if Robert lives to be 100. When does it stop?  :lol:

Anyway, I have to say I'm really on the fence about how they should plot their future. I was just watching the Charlotte 2008 TV broadcast last night, and I was really blown away by how tight they sounded, as well as how good Robert's voice sounded. Especially when they play songs that really work with this lineup, like Underneath the Stars, Want, and Wrong Number.

But unfortunately, it's not June anymore and Robert's singing has been really inconsistent ever since. I just hope it's not a sign of some serious health problems, or something like that.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: boo on December 30, 2008, 22:45:32
the fans still want more.

of course the fans want more...but if the fans (and a few do)go to concerts with their adult kids or even grand children that makes one (Robert) feel quite old...
and for somebody who said since his 30's he can't see the cure going on for much longer is losing his credibility. and how many more interviews does he still need to suffer through when you can clearly see he doesn't enjoy them at all. being asked for 30 years about your hair,eyeliner and changes in the band... i would have shoot quite a few of the interviewers but no he sits there and answers ridicules questions friendly and very intelligent.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Lady on December 31, 2008, 11:26:51
It's not that "tragic" I think. He said "I don't have these dreams of continuing on for another, like, ten years.  I would be actually quite horrified if we were sitting in this room in ten years' time". So there's nothing that makes us believe the next album will be the last one...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: immaginarygirl on January 02, 2009, 18:25:20
oh no... :(
why i don't born in 60's years?????
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: rodney on January 02, 2009, 21:44:02
the fans still want more.

of course the fans want more...but if the fans (and a few do)go to concerts with their adult kids or even grand children that makes one (Robert) feel quite old...
and for somebody who said since his 30's he can't see the cure going on for much longer is losing his credibility. and how many more interviews does he still need to suffer through when you can clearly see he doesn't enjoy them at all. being asked for 30 years about your hair,eyeliner and changes in the band... i would have shoot quite a few of the interviewers but no he sits there and answers ridicules questions friendly and very intelligent.

In fairness, this was actually quite a good interview, which is what World Cafe is known for.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alt.end on January 03, 2009, 22:28:10
it's kinda sad as a haven't seen the cure live yet. 

he may do a solo album later on though. u never know.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: sullen on January 04, 2009, 17:13:43
it's kinda sad as a haven't seen the cure live yet. 

he may do a solo album later on though. u never know.

He's not going to do shit but sit on his ass, eat twinkies, and drink blackberry brandy once their done!
Make a point to see him before the band is done!!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: japanesebaby on January 04, 2009, 18:27:18
i really can't "decide" how to feel about these news. not because i didn't care if they stop or not, but it's just exactly the same kind of talk from robert as around Bloodflowers etc etc etc., exactly the same sort of thing.
it only makes me think that perhaps robert is a sort of person who needs to motivate himself by regularly making these announcements about quitting. i know there are some people like that: they need to say "ok, it's over, we're done!" in public, just in order to "re-ignite" themselves somehow. i know some people like that, for whom to "officially" quit every now and then is somehow part of their self-motivating process.
or, maybe this time it's for real and he really means it. who knows.

anyway like said, i just find it hard to react to this in any way, to be sad about it or shout "oh no!". so far i feel it's just words, like always before - who knows what the actions will turn out to be.



more of a reason to go to london.

should they really stop for real, then i'd say i'm glad the last thing i heard live was 'faith' in paris last march. and personally i see even less reason to ruin that memory just by panicking about the news and going to some truncated NME gig just because "it's maybe the last chance to see them".
but of course, if someone hasn't caught them live yet, then better hurry and go now, i agree about that.

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: crowbi_wan on January 04, 2009, 20:57:48
Guys, let's remember that the interview took place before the decision to split the album was finalized.  They're going to put out the dark album (in 2010 from what I've heard) and will surely tour in support of it.  And then...:?:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alt.end on January 04, 2009, 23:58:34
i would really love to see them but there are only tickets for sitting, somewhere far from the stage. i'd rather not see them at all than this. sorry.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: AStaticWhiteSound on January 17, 2009, 21:49:50
Well RS can be a bit of a punist sometimes and the last song on that (noisy) last album is titled "It´s Over". Is he telling the truth this time?

Well, if you recall, "Wish" ended with the song aptly titled "End" lol.

I'm hoping they keep going (they probably will at least for another year or two). With all the delays that happened for 4:13 Dream, maybe since Robert had mentioned possibly having the "dark album" out before his birthday (less than a year's span between albums) it will probably be delayed again, and again. I'm almost hoping it gets delayed because then they'll tour later, which gives me a better chance of being able to go (my parents wouldn't take me, so I'd have to wait until I'm 17 to have a licence, I'll be 16 in june)I've never seen them either. :(

It's unknown exactly what will happen, but I'm sure Robert and the guys will do it with discretion and have the end of the Cure be a worthy one.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alt.end on January 18, 2009, 00:26:10
this thread is so depressive
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: rubcure on January 18, 2009, 01:57:15
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:smth011

wait 'til 2012 anyway all is going to end!

 ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: AStaticWhiteSound on January 18, 2009, 02:34:56
this thread is so depressive

I know, tell me about it! I've been looking forward for the day that I can finally go to a Cure show for ever! I'm crossing my fingers they tour again (new album would make the odds better).

I'll be devastated if they don't have a go again. Or if they tour and only go to Europe  :cry:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Rickenbacker4003 on January 18, 2009, 23:26:19
I think Roger O'Donnell said it best "he'll never stop, he just loves what he does too much to quit."  I agree to a certain extent.  I remember he said he would stop after Disintegration (which I didn't buy at all) and then Bloodflowers (which I actually believed given the band was really mentioning it alot).  Then they get a second life, new bands cite them as influences and the revival of 80's bands was back in fashion.  The Cure were in demand and cool again.

So in some ways I see what Robert's saying and it makes sense.  But to stop is one thing, but to stay that way is another story.  Either way, they still have an album that's supposed to come out this year and another one after this (whenever that is).  So I wouldn't worry about them ending it anytime soon.  So let's fully enjoy them in their (seemingly) final years. Having said that, I don't see them playing like the Rolling Stones into their 70's.  Lol!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Rickenbacker4003 on January 18, 2009, 23:45:29
Well RS can be a bit of a punist sometimes and the last song on that (noisy) last album is titled "It´s Over". Is he telling the truth this time?

Well, if you recall, "Wish" ended with the song aptly titled "End" lol.

I'm hoping they keep going (they probably will at least for another year or two). With all the delays that happened for 4:13 Dream, maybe since Robert had mentioned possibly having the "dark album" out before his birthday (less than a year's span between albums) it will probably be delayed again, and again. I'm almost hoping it gets delayed because then they'll tour later, which gives me a better chance of being able to go (my parents wouldn't take me, so I'd have to wait until I'm 17 to have a licence, I'll be 16 in june)I've never seen them either. :(

It's unknown exactly what will happen, but I'm sure Robert and the guys will do it with discretion and have the end of the Cure be a worthy one.

If there ever was a time for the band to truly stop I would have guessed right after Wish.  They had reached the apex of their popularity and creativity of the band circa 92-93.  They toured until 1993 and then it all went crazy for the band.  Tolhurst sued them and that set the band back at least a year or two.  All the momentum was gone and with the popularity of Britpop emerging...The Cure were a footnote.  Porl was gone and then Boris left, Simon had to go get help for his drinking problem so it was only Robert and Perry.  That would have been the perfect time for Robert to say "f*** it, it's time to stop.".  But we know what happened after that.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: japanesebaby on January 19, 2009, 00:10:30
Well RS can be a bit of a punist sometimes and the last song on that (noisy) last album is titled "It´s Over". Is he telling the truth this time?

Well, if you recall, "Wish" ended with the song aptly titled "End" lol.

I'm hoping they keep going (they probably will at least for another year or two). With all the delays that happened for 4:13 Dream, maybe since Robert had mentioned possibly having the "dark album" out before his birthday (less than a year's span between albums) it will probably be delayed again, and again. I'm almost hoping it gets delayed because then they'll tour later, which gives me a better chance of being able to go (my parents wouldn't take me, so I'd have to wait until I'm 17 to have a licence, I'll be 16 in june)I've never seen them either. :(

It's unknown exactly what will happen, but I'm sure Robert and the guys will do it with discretion and have the end of the Cure be a worthy one.

If there ever was a time for the band to truly stop I would have guessed right after Wish.  They had reached the apex of their popularity and creativity of the band circa 92-93.  They toured until 1993 and then it all went crazy for the band.  Tolhurst sued them and that set the band back at least a year or two.  All the momentum was gone and with the popularity of Britpop emerging...The Cure were a footnote.  Porl was gone and then Boris left, Simon had to go get help for his drinking problem so it was only Robert and Perry.  That would have been the perfect time for Robert to say "f*** it, it's time to stop.".  But we know what happened after that.

i very much agree.
perhaps roger is/was right. and maybe robert just likes to stop at times, so that he can enjoy the luxury/pleasure of being able to start again. it's about being fully aware of being fully in charge: "i can stop when i want and i can start again when i want".
like i said somewhere above, there is a type of people who get their momentum from that sort of thing. these people might seem unpredictable but they are actually very predictable in all of their "patterned unpredictability".
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: harrold on January 19, 2009, 10:48:29
 :( I really don't like to read this thread... terrible topic...  :( Don't wanna think of that... feel like crying..
And I just want to believe that 'once more is never the end'....  :smth100  :smth100  :smth100  :smth100  :smth100

***************************

I've checked the interview and Robert says exactly "I can't see a VERY long future for The Cure..."
Thank God, that's different!  :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: rubcure on January 19, 2009, 23:41:16
I've checked the interview and Robert says exactly "I can't see a VERY long future for The Cure..."
Thank God, that's different!  :)

Phew!!! :smth005 Yeah, a little bit!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: angel on January 20, 2009, 01:40:59
...all is possible...all begin all end...but their music is alive in our hearts... :)

with hope
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on January 21, 2009, 13:41:46
Robert said this many times before. (Last time I really believed it was around "Bloodflowers", the one time before was with "Disintegration" and back then it really made me sad...)
I don't see no reason to bring us down about your suicide.  ;)
In other words: don't go running for the razor blades!
First of all, he said this during the tour (in May). (And he often uses this to bring the band to deliver their best, as it might be the last time.)
There's plans for a "dark album" maybe and a DVD possibly.
If The Cure really should stop sometime in the future, I see it as very likely that Robert will do solo stuff. He's never stopped writing stuff and I can't see him doing so. (Even if it were a soundtrack to a Tim Burton movie, I'd think it would be very interesting.)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: harrold on January 21, 2009, 19:46:07
Let the Prophet say through your words! :) I start to calm down...  :)
Anyway, I guess The Cure has always been Robert's solo carrier...  :roll:

...this dream NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER ends....  :)

If The Cure really should stop sometime in the future, I see it as very likely that Robert will do solo stuff. He's never stopped writing stuff and I can't see him doing so. (Even if it were a soundtrack to a Tim Burton movie, I'd think it would be very interesting.)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: chipdandy on January 22, 2009, 11:42:41
as much as i love them i never want them to get to the point where they are forcing their music..i wasn't a huge fan of self titled or 4:13 but how could i hate those albums? i simply cant. but i thought bloodflowers was the end. The lyrics alone was pretty much saying that. Although i cant complain, if they hadnt came back around and made self titled and did a tour, i never would have seen them live...

In the pit.

2004.

dallas.

Best night of my life..

Until my daughter was born.

At only 10 months she hops and flails her arms when she hears mint car.

haha
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: pyota on January 24, 2009, 18:21:32
quite a few bands made the mistake to carry on after they past their sell-by date and lost their dignity.... Robert won't make the same mistake and i admire him for that... as hard as it's going to be ....

many would argue they past their sell by more than 10 years ago. as for the cure disbanding, i don't have a problem with it. they've been going for 30 years and the end is always inevitable. we'll always have the music and thats the most important thing. they've always been a hard working band in terms of concerts, playing all over the world so most people who wanted to see them have had several chances. i just wish they would end with a better album than the last one (or the one before that).
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on January 24, 2009, 19:12:53
At only 10 months she hops and flails her arms when she hears mint car.
haha

I remember the same thing about the 12" of High. My son always wanted me to play "fiskens öga" (that´s swedish for "The eye of the fish") as he said. He found his way to describe the cover so that I would know what to play.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Fabien G on January 27, 2009, 13:54:15
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( :smth011 :? :cry: :smth088 :smth085 :smth009 :smth022 :smth089

Robert said in 1987 in a long and good interview of R&F (biggest french music mag) he would stop after KMKMKM because he was soon going to turn 30 and couldn't imagine doing this much longer!!!
Fortunately, they didn't stop and two years later...  :-D

But he said that again after that masterpiece of 1989, it was real close that the band would end after Porl and Boris and even Simon left in 1993-94, it was some sort of a happy surprise that he came back with Bloodflowers, but said it was his swan song, it could have end again with The Cure (end of contract as well)...
There have been many signals that the life of the band was threaten. And obviously the more we go... the closer it gets, unfortunately.  :cry:

They have a three records deal so I believe he will fullfill it, even though he's not happy with the label, hence the records split into two parts - that's no good for us, as it's a quicker way to have wo records out of the way! Although, i believe he wants to finish the deluxe reeditions of the back catalogue, I wouldn't be surprise if he finally decides to release a few dvd or compilation or live album or anything more, and there's the third album to make. so let's leave them another 5 years.

And indeed, As Roger said once in an interview, Robert loves it so much, he will never stop. there's this solo album to look forward to, maybe film music... But that will never be The Cure! (Personnaly I'm not found of solo works, side projects... it's good but... sit's something good but something is different, omething missing, it's just not the same. I love The Cure, the band The Cure)

But time flies guys, so if you have never seen them live before and/or are playing at a venue near you, I guess you'd be well advised to catch them while you can!

They're going to put out the dark album (in 2010 from what I've heard)
Where did you get that information? Phew, thanks, thus we know at least they're still going to be around next year!  :D
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: chipdandy on February 03, 2009, 08:27:00
Is the "dark album" supposed to be the other part of the apparent "double disc" they were making? Because,i watched an interview with robert just a few days ago...
he said that they are releasing the double disc in the forms of bsides from those singles that came out like "the only one" and so on and so forth...soooo...if they are going to make a dark album its going to be a whole new thing altogether..which makes me very happy...i just dont like 4:13 or self titled...i remember a time when i said wild mood swings is the worst cure album...and now that cd sounds great and fresh compared to the last two...

So, if there is a new dark album i really hope it sounds nothing like anything from their recent catalog...

I have noticed recently they have been playing "the big hand" man oh man i would LOVE to see that played live...guess only in a perfect world they would play " chain of flowers"
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Fabien G on February 03, 2009, 14:43:48
in which itw did you see that, chipdandy?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: chipdandy on February 04, 2009, 07:00:32
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qso8APY6OVs

part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl-_pne6g9g

part 2
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alt.end on February 04, 2009, 18:29:12
nice one, it's from may 2008 right?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Fabien G on February 04, 2009, 19:34:51
ho, very nice, lots of informations in there!

thanks chipdandy,

so, as far as I understand:

- ITW: "about "a boy i never knew', and some of the songs that were menioned in itws and stuff, as being recorded in the last album's session, and they didn't make the album, Ross Robinson talked very highly about some of those songs, are they gonna come out in that form (b-sides)  or are they gonnay come out in a new form, on the next album, or...?"
- RS: "'a boy i never knew', recorded as a fieve piece with Ross Robinson, was tried as well with the 'new' four piece band  "They're very different. Actually, we did do a version of 'a boy i never knew' in the last album session. It just wasnt right. Everyone raved about it, but I didn't. I thought it was a terrible version. I just put it to one side, and, (to see if/decide ?) ...at some point will come out. It just didn't suit...(...)

"There's one other song that we did in the last album's session that we kind of re-interpreted completly, but we wouldn't use the recording that we did with Ross with the fieve piece band with the new album, it'd have been a bit bizarre.  There's still a couple of unreleased songs in the last album on top of those two as well, so, I'm sure at some point they'll (...?) 
- ITW: "b-sides?"
- RS: "Probably, we're doing this 30th anniversary dvd at the moment with, er, with Tim Pope, and that's schedulded for next year release, so i imagine something from the last's session unreleased will get on to that"

- ITW: "The Join The Dots colletion was kind of like a dream release" (...)
- RS: "with this singles release that we're doing every 13th of the month, it's going back to the days we were very well  known actually over a long period, as you said, for releasing b-sides that became people's favourites songs..; And I.. I've quite... rescucitated that idea for these new signles, I think each b-sides is actually, compliments the a-sides, and they're really good..; There may well be a couple of ...I mean people are definitly saying of the next b-sides "why...why on earth  isn't that on the album?"... Hum.. the band's saying why isn't it on the album?! so...
- ITW: "that's the greatest compliment!"
- RS: "Yeah! I.. i think..; 'cause my intention was always a double album, and I've kind of had to resign myself to a single album release, why I'm doing this is actually by default realeasing the double album, this is (b-sides ?)...
- ITW: "That's great! Brilliant move"
- RS: "They're, they've tweaked actually, the label last week, I got (?...), "We know what you're doing, just realize this"...

- ITW: What abour RS going solo?
- RS: "Well.. er.. I'm... After we've finished this, and the album comes out, hum... I'm doing the next lot of remasters, this is the first thing i've got to do, for 'Disintegration, 'wish', and 'Mixed Up', and there's gonna be another 'Mixed Up' album, so I'm doing the extra discs for those, and,... 'Disintegration' is really good actually, I've started doing it and I'm really... and there's gonna be, and there was a whole show filmed for 'disintegration', i've just found, tha's never been... shown.
- ITW: "Is it the wembley one?"
- RS: "No, it's Texas's Stadium"
- ITW: "The wembley show should really come out!"
- RS: "Yeah, there's quite a lot of stuff I mean there's too much of stuff, I mean it will come out, all of them I'm sure will come out, it's, it's a question of...make it kind of appealing. In the current time, it is very (hard?) to kinf of sell a box-set of 16 hours of The Cure Live! And it's like ..."
- ITW: "you can seel it to me!"
- RS: "yeah..; I think at some point as the... when broadband and downloading becomes kind of like, everyone kind do it, I mean there's an awful lot of Cure fans around the world they don't have access to high-speed internet connection, and I've always seen as a bit unfair.. you know like with these singles coming out actually as 7 inch vinyls singles  as well as cd singles because... it's just like dwonloads, it's a little.. it's assuming everyone lives in the western world that they... enjoy your music, (we've got to a lot of places where...?) and it's a really big deal... so this... this putting all the stuff and bringing out a cd, i know there will, these will be the lasts cs we releaze as a band, and post to that, and post to dvd  and anniversary, that's when I'm gonna do my solo album,... So that's next summer actually I've got a plan to go away somewhere, and just do it in a month... The songs have been there for years actually,and I... but... wether or not I still like them... I haven't listened to them for a long time."


So there's a least
- the 'dark album',
- the Disintegration, Wish, Mixed up deluxe remasters
- another Mixed Up kind of record
- the 30th anniversary dvd
- Texas Stadium 1989 dvd
(and there should be another album one year, as they have a three cd deal)

and maybe
- another b-sides & rarities compilation
- more live dvds


now, don't tell me there are not a few things to look forward to!

(but yes, end is near!)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: love_cat on February 06, 2009, 12:04:57
I haven't seen them live yet

:smth088 :smth087

me toooo!!

so I am not the only one ;/

keep on believing, they cannot rest until they play for us both ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: musiclovr89 on February 20, 2009, 19:38:32
hmmm this is an interesting post. thanks!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Janko on February 24, 2009, 13:29:50
Quote
I would be actually quite horrified if we were sitting in this room in ten years' time.

There's no way The Cure can have a good enough new album ever again. But still, 10 more years of doing the best of or greatest hits tours is quite possible and profitable. Quite disappointing but Morrissey is calling quits too, so ...

 :smth023 :smth023
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Cure on March 02, 2009, 15:13:42
the way he ended the NME BIG GIG, after 'it's over song'

'i can't do this anymore..'

he said so somehow..
like he reely meant it

BUT

i reely don't believe he'll quit
when all ur life has gone this way, with gigs, tourin, albums, etc.
u can't just leave it all behing & become a new man, stayin home & goin 4 walks with ur dog :)

it's way 2 difficult in the age of 50 2 begin a completely new life
maybe he'll try quittin, but i believe that in the end
The Cure will keep on existin
& Robert will keep on singin, solo or not


THERE'S NOTHING LEFT BUT FAITH
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: closedown1970 on March 05, 2009, 14:06:56
There wasn't any show in Texas's Stadium according to curec-concerts.de!!
What shows did he mean??
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on March 05, 2009, 14:49:06
I think Bob means the Giants Stadium gig (which is not in Texas)

http://cure-concerts.de/concerts/1989-08-20.php

A part of video (Plainsong, to be precise) can be viewed in the "Picture show" official video, right before Fascination Street.

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Descent on March 05, 2009, 15:31:00
The problem is that video in New Jersey (Plainsong clip) was simply filmed with a camcorder (view from the mixing desk far away to see how it all looked like). I don't think that video would be good enough to be released on DVD.

What I'm hoping is that RS actually refered to the Dallas 89 show. Not a stadium but a large arena (he must confuse with the Irving Stadium show 3 years later). The arena included big screens on the sides. So the show was filmed.

http://www.impressionofsounds.com/live150989.htm

Now, that would be something if they recorded the video signal and found it in the archives.

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on March 05, 2009, 15:38:34
What I'm hoping is that RS actually refered to the Dallas 89 show.

Thanks. That makes more sense since Dallas belongs to Texas. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: lostflower4 on March 06, 2009, 18:51:16
The problem is that video in New Jersey (Plainsong clip) was simply filmed with a camcorder (view from the mixing desk far away to see how it all looked like). I don't think that video would be good enough to be released on DVD.

What I'm hoping is that RS actually refered to the Dallas 89 show. Not a stadium but a large arena (he must confuse with the Irving Stadium show 3 years later). The arena included big screens on the sides. So the show was filmed.

http://www.impressionofsounds.com/live150989.htm

Now, that would be something if they recorded the video signal and found it in the archives.

Of course, there's the age-old debate of whether Robert actually meant Giants Stadium when he once mentioned footage from that show:

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5141.msg54944.html#msg54944

;)

I personally believe that Robert was confused, but at any rate he also went on to say that this type of single-cam footage would never be interesting enough to make an official release.

While I can see his point, I know there are tons of die hard fans who would love to see it. Heck, just the audio itself would be worth it!

Anyway, I agree that in this recent interview he was referring to footage from Dallas (again, being slightly confused) — or possibly some other show where there was a more professional type of filming going on.

My only complaint would be that most of the setlists from the U.S. shows were a bit dull compared to the European ones earlier that year, but I don't think one can be too picky in this case.  8)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on March 10, 2009, 19:41:50
the way he ended the NME BIG GIG, after 'it's over song'

'i can't do this anymore..'

he said so somehow..
like he reely meant it

Actually 'i can't do this anymore..' is part of "It's Over" :P

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435 (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alwaysprayingforRAIN on March 18, 2009, 15:30:13
the way he ended the NME BIG GIG, after 'it's over song'

'i can't do this anymore..'

he said so somehow..
like he reely meant it

Actually 'i can't do this anymore..' is part of "It's Over" :P

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435 (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435)

well but him saying that as part of the lyrics only stresses the meaning, at least thats what i think....
anyway i hope that even if the don't make another album, they are still going to tour for years and i get the chance to see them live  :shock:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on March 18, 2009, 15:31:57
and i get the chance to see them live  :shock:

You live in Germany, The Cure always goes to Germany. Trust me. You will see them 8)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: crowbi_wan on March 18, 2009, 17:30:20
the way he ended the NME BIG GIG, after 'it's over song'

'i can't do this anymore..'

he said so somehow..
like he reely meant it

Actually 'i can't do this anymore..' is part of "It's Over" :P

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435 (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435)

well but him saying that as part of the lyrics only stresses the meaning, at least thats what i think....
anyway i hope that even if the don't make another album, they are still going to tour for years and i get the chance to see them live  :shock:

I'd say with 'It's Over' that Robert is just sticking with a formula.  Take songs like Sinking, 39, Bloodflowers, Disintegration, among other.  All have to do with getting old and/giving up and are the last or next to last track of the album they appear on.  Even the last track of Wish, End, is suggestive if only by title.  Let's remeber It's Over was originally called 'Baby Rag Dog Book'.  Now, that's not very dramatic, now is it?  It's Over gets people talking, maybe thinking this is the last time I'll get to see The Cure, so I better to go!  ;) 
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alwaysprayingforRAIN on March 18, 2009, 17:51:02
they do tend to be very dramatic, that's true
I'd go see them anyway :D
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Cure on March 26, 2009, 22:43:53
the way he ended the NME BIG GIG, after 'it's over song'

'i can't do this anymore..'

he said so somehow..
like he reely meant it

Actually 'i can't do this anymore..' is part of "It's Over" :P

http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435 (http://curefans.com/index.php/topic,5689.msg57435.html#msg57435)


well i know, but it was somehow the way he said so..
haha
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: KingOfSomeIsland on March 29, 2009, 01:15:10
The Cure will always exist in some form or another, maybe not as a huge stadium band touring around the world or maybe as just Robert with a piano and a guitar but he's never gonna totally quit music. Eventually they wont be on tv anymore and wont be live anymore but a few albums will still trickle out.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Dillinger on March 29, 2009, 18:40:50
If it got to the point of him just releasing albums with one or two instruments, I think The Cure would cease to exist and we'd be saying hello to the home recordings of Mr. Robert Smith, formerly of The Cure.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on March 31, 2009, 00:22:33
I really don´t see the big issue with the Cure disbanding or not. It would be much worse if all their records suddenly disintegrated into thin air and was never again to be found. All your downloads, all your cd:s and all your vinyls just slaughtered and poured in tiny particles down any drain in your residence. Now that would be a hard hit to tackle. But come on You guys, band DO disband. But there is no reason not to still like all their music and still sharing moments of lying down an enjoying, totally absorbed by, for instance, The Exploding Boy.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Trust... on March 31, 2009, 12:39:20
I really don´t see the big issue with the Cure disbanding or not. It would be much worse if all their records suddenly disintegrated into thin air and was never again to be found. All your downloads, all your cd:s and all your vinyls just slaughtered and poured in tiny particles down any drain in your residence. Now that would be a hard hit to tackle.

That would be aw full, I should cry my eyes out  :smth088

But come on You guys, band DO disband. But there is no reason not to still like all their music and still sharing moments of lying down an enjoying, totally absorbed by, for instance, The Exploding Boy.
  :smth023 but ...

I can't live with the thought I could never see them live again  :smth011 So they have to go on  :D
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: fiction on March 31, 2009, 15:32:17
I can't live with the thought I could never see them live again  :smth011 So they have to go on  :D

Yes the live shows will be hard to participate if the band disolves of course but then again, this is the time we are living in and I myself would very much have liked to attend a show with the Doors wile Jim Morrison was alive. Also I´m a bit envious (how do you spell that?) of a friend who´d seen The R A M O N E S three times, one in NY and two times in London. But there´s nothing much to do about that.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: japanesebaby on March 31, 2009, 17:28:32
I can't live with the thought I could never see them live again  :smth011 So they have to go on  :D

Yes the live shows will be hard to participate if the band disolves of course but then again, this is the time we are living in and I myself would very much have liked to attend a show with the Doors wile Jim Morrison was alive. Also I´m a bit envious (how do you spell that?) of a friend who´d seen The R A M O N E S three times, one in NY and two times in London. But there´s nothing much to do about that.

like i regret i never got to see jeff buckley - but since he's not with us anymore there's nothing i can do about it.

since bands do disband, i'd much rather see the cure disband before they become a caricature of themselves. or robert still trying to sing after he's lost his voice (and sounding like siouxsie for instance).
with that said, it doesn't mean i'd wish to see them disband soon. i just mean that there are worse things than seeing your favorite group disband, at least for me, for instance having to be completely ashamed for an artist you once admired would be much worse.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Trust... on April 01, 2009, 08:32:26
I can't live with the thought I could never see them live again  :smth011 So they have to go on  :D

Yes the live shows will be hard to participate if the band disolves of course but then again, this is the time we are living in and I myself would very much have liked to attend a show with the Doors wile Jim Morrison was alive. Also I´m a bit envious (how do you spell that?) of a friend who´d seen The R A M O N E S three times, one in NY and two times in London. But there´s nothing much to do about that.

You are right, so we may not complain, The Cure is still alive  :D And nobody can took away what we allready have in our memories.  ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Trust... on April 01, 2009, 08:39:18
I can't live with the thought I could never see them live again  :smth011 So they have to go on  :D

Yes the live shows will be hard to participate if the band disolves of course but then again, this is the time we are living in and I myself would very much have liked to attend a show with the Doors wile Jim Morrison was alive. Also I´m a bit envious (how do you spell that?) of a friend who´d seen The R A M O N E S three times, one in NY and two times in London. But there´s nothing much to do about that.

like i regret i never got to see jeff buckley - but since he's not with us anymore there's nothing i can do about it.

since bands do disband, i'd much rather see the cure disband before they become a caricature of themselves. or robert still trying to sing after he's lost his voice (and sounding like siouxsie for instance).
with that said, it doesn't mean i'd wish to see them disband soon. i just mean that there are worse things than seeing your favorite group disband, at least for me, for instance having to be completely ashamed for an artist you once admired would be much worse.


Yes, I understand, you're right, the music may not loose the perfection we all want. And everything ends sometimes, I just don't hope it's gonna be soon  :? And I will take all the chances I have to see them live.  :smth020
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alwaysprayingforRAIN on April 01, 2009, 15:07:37

You are right, so we may not complain, The Cure is still alive  :D And nobody can took away what we allready have in our memories.  ;)

i just wish i had more memories, but i would prefer watching an amazing DVD over attending a really really bad show in maybe 10 years or so... everything has to end someday. I'm convinced that robert will now when it's time  :roll:
that doesn't make me happy though. but hey I still have a hundred years to live ( maybe.. ) and somebody is gonna come up with a time machine... if not I'll just do it myself :!:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: VeraCure on August 30, 2009, 21:52:12
The Cure will never stop making music. I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: emsywink on September 07, 2009, 17:18:39
I haven't seen them live yet either. My biggest regret was not going to Coachella. That looked like such a session :L
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: alwaysprayingforRAIN on September 07, 2009, 17:44:18
I haven't seen them live yet either. My biggest regret was not going to Coachella. That looked like such a session :L

i wasn't on the right continents at the right time...
but we will see them cause i don't think they could ever stop making music :) they'd go crazy!!! (well crazier ;) )
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: emsywink on September 07, 2009, 17:58:39
I wasn't on the right continent either :L Yeaah I hope they go on and on and on. I'd hate to never see them live :(
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Eire on September 07, 2009, 22:32:15
They've never played live near me; I only hope they do eventually.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Meh on October 21, 2009, 15:32:01
I really hope the Cure discography doesn't end with 4:13 Dream. :(

I didn't like it that much, and I can say that 1 year on from it.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: emsywink on October 21, 2009, 17:04:10
I really hope the Cure discography doesn't end with 4:13 Dream. :(

I didn't like it that much, and I can say that 1 year on from it.

I think I agree with that. Bloodflowers would have been a good album to finish on. But I'm pretty certain they won't be stopping just yet (:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Carnage Visor on November 06, 2009, 13:43:44
If they do eventually end, I just hope that doesn't mean no more Robert Smith. I really like his presence in music. He really knows what he's doing, and it would be a shame if he just dropped out of music altogether.

I mean, if U2 is still going on...now there's a band that needs to end. Their best two albums were their first two...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: donnymarco on November 11, 2009, 08:31:18
When i started listen to the cure back 1986 there where always rumors they stop. After releasing Disintegration Robert told: "this is the last album". We al know what happened after that... :lol:

So i really dont think he means it.

Off-topic: i would be great if Boris came back...!

Carnage Visors: are you kidding? what about "Achtung Baby" "POP" and ofcourse "the Joshua three" that are not good albums? Even if you dont like U2 you can hear that there are some very good songs on it!

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: thiboe on November 21, 2009, 11:34:35
Robert is talking about quitting since 30 Years. He loves playing live, so they will never really quit, you will see :!:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: lockjaw on December 07, 2009, 13:20:43
no long future.. why???

The Rolling Stones: Mick Jagger will be 67 next year and they planning release an album and to go on tour in 2010..
Motorhead: Lemmy is 64 and a new album and tour in 2010..
U2: Bono is just one year younger as Robert and they fixed tour dates until october 2010 and i'm sure that not this was their last record..
Sisters Of Mercy: Andrew is the same old as Robert and they touring the world every year..
Duran Duran: Simon leBon will be 52 next year and a new album will come out..
Leonard Cohen is already 75 and he did a fantastic tour in this year..
and i'm sure that Bowie will do something in the near future too..

these are just a few examples but why do Robert stop making music now?? he just can't..maybe the concerts will be shorter than three hours and the tours will be smaller but i can see a long future for The Cure.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: ofthedeepgreensea on December 23, 2009, 18:29:05
i, too, am starting to begin to believe it.  but the more i think about it, i don't think they're QUITE done yet.  i mean, robert definitely has not made as big a deal about the end as say, after bloodflowers.  i don't know if there's another album or not.  but i think there are still another two or three years at least of them existing, hopefully a little touring and whatnot.  they're not gonna be around in 2020, i think that's fairly obvious.  but i just don't, at heart, think robert is quite ready to give it up.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: skellington on January 05, 2010, 00:14:32
I just discovered the Cure and have not stopped listening to them ever since. My mom used to play a couple of their songs on her mix tapes when I was little and I had no idea! Now that I know, I wished I had started listening to their wonderul music earlier...especially since I just missed there latest tour, and now this news of them quiting is making me very sad. I am not that old so I haven't had much time to go see their concerts. I really hope they don't stop touring because I need to see them live! Robert Smith is the coolest, sigh :lol:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: ofthedeepgreensea on January 05, 2010, 00:21:11
I just discovered the Cure and have not stopped listening to them ever since. My mom used to play a couple of their songs on her mix tapes when I was little and I had no idea! Now that I know, I wished I had started listening to their wonderul music earlier...especially since I just missed there latest tour, and now this news of them quiting is making me very sad. I am not that old so I haven't had much time to go see their concerts. I really hope they don't stop touring because I need to see them live! Robert Smith is the coolest, sigh :lol:

there's still hope.  they've got a few more years in them, i think.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: japanesebaby on January 05, 2010, 00:28:42
I just discovered the Cure and have not stopped listening to them ever since. My mom used to play a couple of their songs on her mix tapes when I was little and I had no idea! Now that I know, I wished I had started listening to their wonderul music earlier...especially since I just missed there latest tour, and now this news of them quiting is making me very sad. I am not that old so I haven't had much time to go see their concerts. I really hope they don't stop touring because I need to see them live! Robert Smith is the coolest, sigh :lol:

there's still hope.  they've got a few more years in them, i think.

yeah, let's hope so. i wouldn't mind finding myself in a cure show again either, never had boring time in a cure show. ;)
welcome and wish you nice moments with the cure - the bright side of falling in love with a band that's been going on a long time is that there's such a huge back catalogue to delve into. :smth023
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: ofthedeepgreensea on January 05, 2010, 00:30:09
I just discovered the Cure and have not stopped listening to them ever since. My mom used to play a couple of their songs on her mix tapes when I was little and I had no idea! Now that I know, I wished I had started listening to their wonderul music earlier...especially since I just missed there latest tour, and now this news of them quiting is making me very sad. I am not that old so I haven't had much time to go see their concerts. I really hope they don't stop touring because I need to see them live! Robert Smith is the coolest, sigh :lol:

there's still hope.  they've got a few more years in them, i think.

yeah, let's hope so. i wouldn't mind finding myself in a cure show again either, never had boring time in a cure show. ;)
welcome and wish you nice moments with the cure - the bright side of falling in love with a band that's been going on a long time is that there's such a huge back catalogue to delve into. :smth023

agreed.  i became a fan in '04 or so, and i had a fabulous time discovering "new" songs for weeks and weeks.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: skellington on January 05, 2010, 04:24:33
I am so glad I found this cite/forum. It is a comfort to know that I am not alone in desperately awaiting some Cure action. Their music effects me so deeply and it would be such a disapointment not to see them (especially Robert) in person. Every year the band gains new fans (me for example) so I think if people still want to experience the music and the band itself, than there is a reason to keep it going. Not to say that they should work till they drop, but rather to  keep the sprit of the Cure alive.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: ofthedeepgreensea on January 13, 2010, 21:53:57
well, according to the latest thecure.com update, it seems that there could still be some dark album stuff in the works.  though i'm not too optimistic on the matter.

though i love when robert updates; it let's me know they still exist :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: RottingApples on January 15, 2010, 10:41:02
It sounds like there's two albums in the works: the Dark Album, and a separate "Itunes Exclusive" record. 
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: lostflower4 on January 15, 2010, 11:46:33
a separate "Itunes Exclusive" record.

:roll:

Why is iTunes so damn popular?  What a mess of a program/service.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Lucky_Cure on January 16, 2010, 05:44:51
Already two albums is process? Like another studio album? Luckily I have an iPod and iTunes.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: japanesebaby on January 16, 2010, 09:02:37
a separate "Itunes Exclusive" record.

:roll:

Why is iTunes so damn popular?  What a mess of a program/service.  :twisted:


well, my first thought when i read that "iTunes Exclusive" was that ""great", more stuff available in crappy mp3s only, possibly even with some errors (like happened with the 4 re-recorded tracks distributed by iTunes UK in 2006  :roll:).
whatever it is, i'm not going to pay a cent for it. why not release stuff properly? i'm not against downloads only kind of releases at ll, but why not make it available in lossless too and especially not exclusively via iTunes?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: mimieuxx on February 03, 2010, 03:18:26
Hoping it's a false alarm, just like the other times. Please please please. I felt really bad reading this.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: PerfectBlueSkyDolls on February 18, 2010, 18:13:34
it is kinda sad :'( but at the same time it's true what he says.. but the'll never end, not for me. they'll always be alive in my heart and in my life, till i die :)

Exactly  :smth023
Can't see them going any longer than 2-3 years really. Everyone deserves a retirement, including Robert  ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: ofthedeepgreensea on February 18, 2010, 18:16:22
yeah.

i actually do think the new album will come out at some point.  though it'll probably be kind of a while.  and then probably a tour and then that's probably it.  i can see one off gigs for the next few years after that maybe, but not much more.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: skellington on February 18, 2010, 18:47:36
I understand that everyone needs their retirement, but he is only 50 and my dad is 61 and is still working, not to say that Robert should work till he is 60+ but I think it would be hard for anybody to totally stop what they love doing and settle into quiet obscurity. It is hard for me to see the Cure stop because I just got into them and I feel to not experience their musical magic in person would be so sad :( But I would not be angry at them if they stopped, it has to end sometime...
I really do hope they release another album..there last was good and I am looking forward to their next :smth020
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: PerfectBlueSkyDolls on February 18, 2010, 20:47:02
Some people need to retire earlier than 60 though. And from what I can tell, Robert is almost finally ready to lay more low key and enjoy his later years. It might not mean he will give up entirely (he has always been interested in doing solo work) but I would never be angry if that was his descision. Besides, he can do what Trent Reznor has been doing (giving up touring, which is heart breaking for me, as NIN is my fav band) & work on material on his own time, while relaxing and enjoying his older age with his wife ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: hellboy69 on May 07, 2010, 17:23:28
a separate "Itunes Exclusive" record.

:roll:

Why is iTunes so damn popular?  What a mess of a program/service.  :twisted:


well, my first thought when i read that "iTunes Exclusive" was that ""great", more stuff available in crappy mp3s only, possibly even with some errors (like happened with the 4 re-recorded tracks distributed by iTunes UK in 2006  :roll:).
whatever it is, i'm not going to pay a cent for it. why not release stuff properly? i'm not against downloads only kind of releases at ll, but why not make it available in lossless too and especially not exclusively via iTunes?

i reckon the "itunes exclusive" could be a live album, something like that. prefer shiny discs in nice packaging myself, but i totally agree with what you say about lossless formats!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: closedown on May 10, 2010, 19:59:33
i reckon the "itunes exclusive" could be a live album, something like that. prefer shiny discs in nice packaging myself, but i totally agree with what you say about lossless formats!

could also mean one of those 'Itunes Originals' releases, some backcatalogue stuff, some commentaries and a little session with 5 or 6 tracks. quite a few other artists have done a similar thing before (Goldfrapp, New Order, Moby, R.E.M.,...) - these days it is unfortunately all itunes dictated + if you don't offer them sth special (those itunes exclusives or a bonustrack/remix with a new album)), make sure they almost don't even bother to list your stuff or they don't highlight it, which means, most people who don't follow those forums, won't even notice a new release is out...
Instead of considering this, they should have rather corrected those 4 rerecorded tracks...

Well, it has been quite some time again since those plans were first mentioned though...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: pipperoo on August 09, 2010, 00:30:39
one reason more to do a suicide

No suicides! He says that all of the time! He just has to rest up a bit. No reason they can't do smaller venues. Cripes if we can look at Rod Stewart's tired old face, Roberts', Simon's, Jason's, and Porl's (specially now that Porl is all arted up) is refreshing. 50 is not old! Especially since I'm 46!!  :eek:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Janko on September 10, 2010, 08:31:52
Considering the age of the band members, the band doesn't have a very long future...
20 years tops!

 :D
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: pipperoo on September 13, 2010, 03:55:14
Eh he's been saying that since he's 25..the stinker..... Maybe he and Bowie will do Vegas!   :-D
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Cloudberry on September 17, 2010, 00:34:02
I was gonna say - we see Robert's lips moving, but surely at this point all of us just roll our eyes & say "whatever", as he obviously doesn't mean it. We've got plenty of 60+ rockstars out there, and I just can't see Robert not making music & not touring. He is an attention ****, y'know, though I'm sure he'd rather not admit that!
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Cloudberry on September 17, 2010, 00:35:34
Good heavens, my post's been censored! Sorry people. It began with "w", and ended with "e" and I really didn't mean it that unkindly. Robert amuses me in many ways, and his denial of his rock star-ness is just one of facet of him that makes me giggle.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dsanchez on September 17, 2010, 11:29:57
Good heavens, my post's been censored! Sorry people.

No need to say sorry! We have a list of censored words and the system apply this rule automatically, without taken in consideration the context. Overall, I personally agree with most of what you have said here :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: MeltingMan on December 01, 2014, 11:37:02
and what is he going to do for the rest of his life?
Good point.A proper farewell concert/tour seems to me somewhat catastrophic,
but these and earlier statements allow the conclusion,that 'Disintegration' for example
is no longer only a word,strictly speaking,but a strong central theme of the past 25 years.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: MeltingMan on December 01, 2014, 11:47:17
But time flies guys, so if you have never seen them live before and/or are playing at a venue near you, I guess you'd be well advised to catch them while you can!
I couldn't agree with you more. :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Fabien G on December 02, 2014, 03:51:26
These were other times (2009) and i had a different opinion (no more world tour stopping at a city near you at the horizon then).

But since Robert said he enjoys the festivals ("we come, we play, we f*** off") and has plenty of reissue to work on, and even a new album i'm sure, i have no worries. Reeves last itw (on COF) is pretty clear: "I don’t think they have to worry. It’s alive and well".

i will worry in 2019 (or even 2018, as he may want to stop prior turning 60).

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Borl Poris on May 24, 2015, 22:06:05
I have not checked in for a long time and it saddens me that I have to! I think as much as we enjoyed the reissue series with all the fantastic unreleased material (which still isn't finished yet I would be happy if Wish had been re-issued by now, because i am sure it has the most amazing unreleased gems out of all the others) it slowed Robert down creatively. I have a feeling he went back and really listened to 3immaginary boys through Wish and thought man we really lost the plot after Porl and Boris left. I was excited about the official press release for 4:14 Scream and the deluxe version called 4;26 Scream, where he promised the original 4:13 would be mastered properly and then we finally get the rest of the sessions which was apparently the dark album. What a bunch of bullshit that was, I was not sad, I was pissed it never happened. Rumors are flying that Reeves Gabrels is still working on re-doing Porl's guitar parts. I love Reeves, but I want to hear Porl. Let's not forget the lies about Orange and Show DVD's and the aborted Reflections DVD which would have been amazing. I think Robert is not used to releasing stuff without full label support, but where did full label support get them on Wild Mood Swings, Bloodflowers, The Cure and 4:13? Do it yourself Robert and quit dicking us around. I know you don't owe us shit, but quit with the lies, none of us are getting any younger man, especially you. Too bad you didn't wait to do these reissues after the Cure had come full circle. I love you still man and I am happy with what we got, but the teasing man, even after putting out press releases about 4:26 Scream (what the hell were you thinking) and announcing Mixed Up 2 released this side of Christmas in 2012? With mixes by Mogwai and Cranes, I was dying to hear those. I can only hope you are about to deliver something that will shut us all up as Cooper-Gabrels-Gallup-O'Donnel-Smith. I am happy to wait as long as it is the best thing since Wish...Also (Yawn, but) get Boris back behind the kit, I understand Porl is a lost cause, or is she?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on May 25, 2015, 11:00:48
I have a feeling he went back and really listened to 3immaginary boys through Wish and thought man we really lost the plot after Porl and Boris left.

Sorry, this conclusion (or "feeling") does not fit in with this:

I was excited about the official press release for 4:14 Scream

Why should he release that stuff from the time "they'd lost the plot"?  :?

Let's not forget the lies about Orange and Show DVD's and the aborted Reflections DVD which would have been amazing. I think Robert is not used to releasing stuff without full label support

I have no idea about "label support", I can only say "plans can change". Robert himself said he is not good in "longtime planning". Maybe he shouldn't do press releases announcing plans then.  ;)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: MeltingMan on May 28, 2015, 13:52:21
@skintwinkie
Don't you think that your expectations are too high,do you? The current line up
is remarkable and,please don't forget,the reception of the later albums,except Bloodflowers,
particularly through the fans,remains below average.I don't think that they lost the plot
because Robert leaves nothing to chance,even the "dark album". :roll: :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Sodoura on May 30, 2015, 14:59:34
Oh my God! This is giving me the chills. :( I have missed every concert and every album release they ever had.
And to think I'll never see them live, like, not even once, is just...
:(  :smth100 :smth089
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 01, 2015, 14:08:48
Don't worry too much! I think Reeves told fans not to worry not long ago.

I can imagine another album being released (whenever it'll be ready). This then will be YOUR album, because you then can go out and buy it on the day of release (or download it...)!

I hope you'll be able to see The Cure live in the near future. Be prepared for a real blast then! :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Sodoura on June 02, 2015, 10:45:42
Oh, I'm glad to hear that. :D Yes, I hope they release an album soon. Robert said they were going to release a new one with a surprise date. But I'm not quite sure, because you never know.
But, hey, thanks for telling me that. :)
(He had also said The Cure in Orange for DVD around 2010 -- still no update)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: MintQR on June 02, 2015, 22:12:10
none of us are getting any younger man, especially you.

haha, you should definitely write a letter to Robert saying that :) I'm pretty sure that'll get him back on track with all the recordings :))))

As for Pearl, wouldn't it be absolutely awesome to have her play with the Cure?! :D I personally also miss Perry and his crazy Disintegration guitar from the Bizarre festival... sigh...

Anyways, welcome back, guys :) (if you still remember me)

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 03, 2015, 19:31:58
No one 'promised' anything.  I'm glad he thought of the 2cd deluxe re-issue idea in the first place.  I'm waiting for 'Wish' for exactly the same reasons you are.  I'm prepared for it to remain a concept rather than materialize as product.  If we never get the f*****g thing I'll be disappointed but considering all the great live stuff from the period, I can live with that.  That post-it interview on this site is really good because it explains precisely why things are and are not done by and within The Cure.  It really answered every question I've ever had re: The Cure.

The 4:13 Dream album and companion 'dark' album...how much work can one do and how much enthusiasm can be mustered to go back and actually work on unfinished tracks that were started by a band that no longer exists??  Probably, oh I don't know, ZERO!?  I think Thin Lizzy did that once, and that was a bad idea.  The one thing I really really want to see, even if we never see another 'archival-type' release is the Paris 2008 dvd.  That show is unbelievable.  I'm still pissed that Porl left.  As pissed as anyone can be about someone I couldn't dislike if someone put a gun to my head anyway.  In a recent interview, Pearl said he couldn't rule out re-joining The Cure (!!!!!!) but also that at this time it doesn't really seem like an option.  Probably never happen, not for longer than a couple gigs at best.

The Cure are still quite good as a live band, just short of great.  I still want to take a bolt cutter to that whammy bar of Reeves'.  Another guy it's impossible to dislike.  From where I sit anyway.  There are at this point so many great songs that if there isn't sufficient interest from RS to take a stab at writing new material, there will still be gigs...until there aren't.  Whether they decide to make one or not, the reasons for both decisions are in that interview.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: " I can’t see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 03, 2015, 21:26:03
, I have heard from people who went to their concerts back then



Jeez, you're killing me with the 'back then' thing...  Concert-going has changed so much from decade to decade that it's difficult to relate one to another...and change isn't always for the better.  The 90s really ruined the concert experience for me, and right away too...right at the beginning of 1991.  The 80s were probably the best time. 

I know this post was some time ago, but when I saw the 'back then' I had to reply even if no one reads it.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 04, 2015, 01:57:29
Also, if taken literally, 'alt.end' says exactly the same thing (as the quote that started this chain).  And how many line-up changes have there been since?  Roger and Perry out, Porl in, Porl out, Roger returns and Reeves arrives.  Almost forgot, we also get to show our appreciation for Lol once more, even if only for a short time.  That's either a never-ending quest for discovery or a very strong reluctance to bring things to a close.  Or some of both.  Either way, the fans are (generally) happy...very happy.  We love ya, you big dummies.  To (mis-)quote Captain Beefheart.  Well, mangle Captain Beefheart really.

Strange, 'alt.end' seems to suggest that RS wanted the then current line-up to be the last.  Then 'It's Over', written three-ish years later, seems to suggest that RS was/is extremely frustrated that the various line-ups never lasted very long.  The ones he wanted to last, anyway.  The 2005-2009 line-up ended waaaaaay too soon.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 05, 2015, 18:31:39
3 posts in a row? Really?  :roll:

Also, if taken literally, 'alt.end' says exactly the same thing (as the quote that started this chain).

Erm, maybe we should NOT take song lyrics too literally, huh?   :smth011

Strange, 'alt.end' seems to suggest that RS wanted the then current line-up to be the last. 

It does not. It might be an imaginative song about a relationship, for example.

Quote
Yeah and I should care if you go
 Really should care about your love or your hate of me
Yeah I should care... but I don't
 And it's not about giving up on you
 It's not a case of do or die

Do you even read the lyrics before you post your theories?  :oops:

Then 'It's Over', written three-ish years later, seems to suggest that RS was/is extremely frustrated that the various line-ups never lasted very long.

Which line in the song exactly does suggest this strange theory?  :smth011

This does not sound like he's talking about a band line-up:
Quote
Run my head around it
 Like I know I really miss her
"But I always want to do it now"
 She told me in a whisper
 I try so hard to place it
 Wonder why I really feel it
 When to send the pretty flowers
 Maybe helps her to believe it

Or does it?  :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 06, 2015, 05:55:19
Read the lyrics?  That would definitely be taking them out of context.  I intentionally don't read them, whatever I hear is what I have to work with.  I also do not read the lyrics as I listen to the songs...that smacks of Dr. Seuss and those old Disney records.  Are you the final arbiter of who does or does not understand The Cure?  You have received personally from the author the complete list of what all the songs mean?  You are WAAAAAAAAAY cooler than I thought, and I already had quite a high opinion of you.  You can't tell people their OPINIONS are wrong.  Subjectivity is not up for debate.  If opinions CAN be wrong, if subjectivity IS up for debate here on this site, I am definitely keeping my mouth (via my fingers) firmly shut.  That would be taking something that should be good-natured and fun to such an extreme that...well, that's just something I can't be a part of.  Of course there's always an alternative explanation.  I realize it's been seventy years now but it's possible there is still a slight 'hangover'?  Something that hasn't quite yet been flushed out of the gene pool?  That's only an opinion, mind...  I'll probably catch it for that last bit, but what the hell.  And yes, three posts in a row.  I find that if I reply to myself, I am more likely to get a well-thought-out and considered response.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 06, 2015, 11:12:54
You can't tell people their OPINIONS are wrong. 

Yes and I did not. I only tried to point out that you "forgot" to mention any quotes/examples from those lyrics to underline your opinion. (Or any other kind of hint, like RS telling it in an interview.)

IF you have to take them literally, you should be able to point out the "literal" bit.

Of course there's always an alternative explanation. 

Indeed, there can be. (However, with lyrics like "...miss her" & "she told me..." there is not much room for interpretation that it's about a "band", in my humble opinion.)

I realize it's been seventy years now but it's possible there is still a slight 'hangover'? 

Huh?  :?

And yes, three posts in a row.  I find that if I reply to myself, I am more likely to get a well-thought-out and considered response.

Can you find any examples for this theory?  :roll:
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: MeltingMan on June 06, 2015, 15:41:48
The 4:13 Dream album and companion 'dark' album...how much work can one do and how much enthusiasm can be mustered to go back and actually work on unfinished tracks that were started by a band that no longer exists??
I won't or I can't imagine this abstract idea.I hope that the rest of the recordings,unfinished
or not,will be publishing not only posthumously. :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 06, 2015, 19:05:21
Hard to say but less likely as time passes.  I'd love to hear the songs; that line-up is in my top three.  As the latest line-up gets more and more established, those songs become less and less relevant.  If not to the fans, definitely to the guy what wrote 'em.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 06, 2015, 19:36:57
Your talent for breaking things down and critiquing them point by point is unsurpassed.  But you should use your powers for 'good' rather than in aid of 'the dark side'.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 06, 2015, 19:49:00
Yeah, whatever, but are you going to reply to some of the questions asked, like:
which line(s) in the song confirms your strange theory?  :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 06, 2015, 23:00:49
As soon as I read all the lyrics.  Please wait right there while I go do that.  What, precisely, will make you develop an unhealthy obsession with someone ELSE??
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: dmscheuer on June 07, 2015, 01:28:40
As soon as I read all the lyrics.  Please wait right there while I go do that.  What, precisely, will make you develop an unhealthy obsession with someone ELSE??

(probably when someone post's something anti-Jason. just my 2 cents lol)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 07, 2015, 03:56:04
As soon as I read all the lyrics.  Please wait right there while I go do that.  What, precisely, will make you develop an unhealthy obsession with someone ELSE??

(probably when someone post's something anti-Jason. just my 2 cents lol)

I like that. 
But...
what if I'm the one that does it??
Probably the same thing that happens (theoretically, obviously) when someone goes back in time and the 'earlier' person sees the 'back in time' version of himself.  Some as yet undiscovered metaphysical occurrence.
Best not to risk it.
Anyway, I like Jason just fine.

This is probably getting close to being either shut down or moved for being off-topic. 

Since the quote that started it all was made quite some time ago, it doesn't seem to be relevant anymore.  RS has stated that everyone in the band is getting along quite well, which hasn't happened in quite a while.  There didn't appear to be any problems in the previous line-up with Porl either.  Problems within the band never seem to manifest themselves on stage, except for once or twice in 1982.  And the current line-up seems so...happy.  Maybe they need to (re-)develop a mild case of seriousness so various songs can find their way back into the set lists.  That's a bit selfish, really.  I wouldn't begrudge any one of them a single second of feeling good about what they're doing.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 07, 2015, 10:34:13
Again: IF you need to take lyrics literally, it should be easy to point out the literal bit talking about the band line-up? If that seems to be so difficult, what does it say about your obscure theory?

(probably when someone post's something anti-Jason.

Indeed, people who only post about one singular topic, are under special "troll-watch".
(Remember, like when you posted about Porl, cheyler?)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 08, 2015, 22:06:58
Again: IF you need to take lyrics literally, it should be easy to point out the literal bit talking about the band line-up? If that seems to be so difficult, what does it say about your obscure theory?

(probably when someone post's something anti-Jason.

Indeed, people who only post about one singular topic, are under special "troll-watch".
(Remember, like when you posted about Porl, cheyler?)

I do remember.  And you know what?  It was none of my concern (still isn't and never will be) and if I were considering the same subject today (this very minute) I wouldn't have anything to say about it. Private guy, private life, his concerns, not mine.  I wouldn't have anything to say about anyone else that might have a public opinion on it, however.  If an individual is in the 'public eye', the same individual is subject to the 'public mouth'.  (That's pretty cool, actually...)  It's up to other individuals to decide what their consciences permit them to write...and whether those consciences might have a change of heart within the next six months (or six minutes).  Mine did.  This is the second and last time I'm going to tell you you were right, Ulrich...  :)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 09, 2015, 08:47:29
OK, but what about those lyrics you wanted to take literally, can you quote them?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on June 09, 2015, 18:45:47
OK, but what about those lyrics you wanted to take literally, can you quote them?

I can't quote them, I don't remember them either verbatim or in pieces.  I can't even quote YOU without a little help from that button over there.

I'll probably just keep thinking what I am thinking.  I can understand being challenged if I were to suddenly get it in my head that opening the exit door on an airliner at 35,000 feet was a GOOD IDEA, but about a misunderstanding (or alternative understanding) of lyrics that are open to interpretation unless and until the author decides to explain them comprehensively?  That smacks of a need to be RIGHT...and that game always ends in a draw.  I know none of this is going to stick or sink in, but every now and then I really do enjoy banging my head against a wall, especially when that wall is made up of human beings with fixed ideas.

I'm not avoiding the question, although I know you think I am.  I must have read the lyrics from the sheet inside the Japanese pressing of the LP.  Not only were the Japanese pressing plants compelled to include a lyric sheet inside each vinyl LP, they were also compelled to get the lyrics wrong (and make them humorous).  Check out their interpretation of 'Love Song' by The Damned.  Yikes.  That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it...
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 09, 2015, 20:16:07
Message to anyone reading this: feel free to post your theories! But be prepared for 2 things:
1) not everyone will agree.
2) someone might question your theory, especially if not well thought out nor underlined by quotes of lyrics (or anything to do with reality).

I'm not avoiding the question, although I know you think I am.

This is the second and last time I'm going to tell you you were right!  :)

Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on June 12, 2015, 11:20:18
But you should use your powers for 'good' rather than in aid of 'the dark side'.

Does that mean anyone who dares to question your theory is on the "dark side"?  :?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on July 08, 2015, 19:37:03
I have not checked in for a long time and it saddens me that I have to! I think as much as we enjoyed the reissue series with all the fantastic unreleased material (which still isn't finished yet I would be happy if Wish had been re-issued by now, because i am sure it has the most amazing unreleased gems out of all the others) it slowed Robert down creatively. I have a feeling he went back and really listened to 3immaginary boys through Wish and thought man we really lost the plot after Porl and Boris left. I was excited about the official press release for 4:14 Scream and the deluxe version called 4;26 Scream, where he promised the original 4:13 would be mastered properly and then we finally get the rest of the sessions which was apparently the dark album. What a bunch of bullshit that was, I was not sad, I was pissed it never happened. Rumors are flying that Reeves Gabrels is still working on re-doing Porl's guitar parts. I love Reeves, but I want to hear Porl. Let's not forget the lies about Orange and Show DVD's and the aborted Reflections DVD which would have been amazing. I think Robert is not used to releasing stuff without full label support, but where did full label support get them on Wild Mood Swings, Bloodflowers, The Cure and 4:13? Do it yourself Robert and quit dicking us around. I know you don't owe us shit, but quit with the lies, none of us are getting any younger man, especially you. Too bad you didn't wait to do these reissues after the Cure had come full circle. I love you still man and I am happy with what we got, but the teasing man, even after putting out press releases about 4:26 Scream (what the hell were you thinking) and announcing Mixed Up 2 released this side of Christmas in 2012? With mixes by Mogwai and Cranes, I was dying to hear those. I can only hope you are about to deliver something that will shut us all up as Cooper-Gabrels-Gallup-O'Donnel-Smith. I am happy to wait as long as it is the best thing since Wish...Also (Yawn, but) get Boris back behind the kit, I understand Porl is a lost cause, or is she?

'Wish' probably does have the most hidden/hiding 'gems', the 'Lost Wishes' cassette (which is excellent and just gets better from listen to listen), the Kilburn gig from May 1992 (which may be the most well-recorded Cure concert of all of them and exists in its entirety on film...would make a great companion DVD for the 'Wish' set).

I don't think The Cure lost the plot after Porl and Boris left, they were just (obviously) different.  Bits of 'Wild Mood Swings' were excellent, 'Bloodflowers' was damn near perfect and the self-titled 2004 album scared me a bit the last time I listened as I thought I'd more or less bypassed a classic Cure album.  It is WAY better than I thought it was; give it another try.  '4:13 Dream' has a LOT of great Cure songs...'Underneath The Stars' is one of my top ten ever, 'The Only One' is a great TUNE but the lyrics make me want to do unspeakable things to...well, I haven't figured that part out yet.  Love songs THAT personal can always be KEPT personal, in my opinion.  'The Hungry Ghost', 'It's Over', both perfect, classic Cure songs.  I don't have the list in front of me so am missing out on a couple I'm sure.  Would love to get the so-called 'dark album' from these sessions.  I don't believe Reeves would touch Porl's guitar tracks and I don't believe RS would even ask; this will end up being a pure and whole project should we ever see/hear it.

To suggest RS is 'dicking us around' or even 'lying' about various projects is to do him quite a disservice.  We've always gotten good value for money and whatever we've been waiting for has always turned up and is usually better than we'd hoped.  With no label support, the money comes directly from the old wallet (or bank account) and who precisely in the pop world can we presume to ask to do us favors when it costs him/her money?

'Mixed Up 2' I can do without.  Can do without 'Mixed Up' (The First) actually.

Jason's not going anywhere, he's been The Cure drummer for 20 years now, Boris was around for (less than) 10 years? 

Pearl will probably not be back in any permanent capacity, but I'll bet he'll be invited back as a guest at any number of shows on a 'final' tour or run.  I think the whole 'Pearl' transformation (poor choice of words possibly) has been misunderstood.  Rather than some sort of gender-identity, I think it's more another way for Porl/Pearl to express himself.  If he so chooses, he can 'paint' himself so-to-speak, use himself as a canvas in a more extreme way than he ever did with tattooing.  There's a series of photos taken recently at (I believe) a gallery that shows Pearl looking nearly as he did in 1992.  So now he's got all sorts of options to present his music, his art and even himself.  Quite ingenious and extremely courageous; I congratulate him.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on July 08, 2015, 19:48:41
But you should use your powers for 'good' rather than in aid of 'the dark side'.

Does that mean anyone who dares to question your theory is on the "dark side"?  :?

Of course.  Or was that a rhetorical question?
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on July 22, 2015, 16:33:29
Of course. 

Oh, that smacks of a need to be "right".  :oops:

If you need any help in finding those lyrics, Google is your friend!  ;)
Or try
http://www.thecure.com/words/ (http://www.thecure.com/words/)
http://www.azlyrics.com/c/cure.html (http://www.azlyrics.com/c/cure.html)

And yeah, of course "alt.end" meant RS wanted that line-up to be "the last", that's why he sacked Roger and Perry a year later and played that song with the new line-up in 2005...  :roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X95KrjUK60 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X95KrjUK60)
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: cheyler on July 22, 2015, 18:24:27
You know how far ahead RS plans things...  He's writing songs at least one year ahead of the album release date, long before any line-up changes would have been contemplated.
Title: Re: Robert Smith: "I can't see a long future for The Cure, I must admit"
Post by: Ulrich on July 23, 2015, 10:19:19
...long before any line-up changes would have been contemplated.

Yep, but he himself ended that line-up. Why should he if his wish was something else... (and then play the song to remind listeners of his failings)?