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Title: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 15, 2019, 21:03:32
Theresa Mays face being told there will be a vote of no confidence debate in parliament tomorrow  :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 16, 2019, 11:09:51
ChemicalOverload can you help me understand the negative sentiments towards Teresa? 
Wasn't Brexit voted by the UK population to proceed? And so wasnt she trying to uphold what was voted?
I recall you compared her to M.Thatcher but have yet to fully understand it
...thanks for enlightening me 🙂
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 12:02:50
I'll give it a try, hopefully chemicaloverload will elaborate a bit too...

Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 16, 2019, 11:09:51
Wasn't Brexit voted by the UK population to proceed? And so wasnt she trying to uphold what was voted?


First of all: there was a referendum, yes. But: on that day it was raining cats and dogs, so many people stayed at home thinking "majority will vote against Brexit anyway". Thus, the result was not what the people really wanted.
Second: most of Scotland & Northern Ireland voted against Brexit. Thus, there is a real danger of these regions deciding to leave the "United Kingdom" after all...
Then there are the empty promises (money saved will be given to the NHS), the unclear future (e.g. will there have to be a "border control" between Ireland and Northern Ireland?) etc. etc.

I've talked to some people, most of them musicians - they are all against Brexit and fear the uncertainty (what if they will have to pay for visa to come over to mainland Europe for their tours?)...
Even the pro-Brexit people in May's party were "unhappy" with the contract she presented. Hence her loss of the vote last night.

In short: this is a disaster from start to finish. A complete failure on the political side - and then they wonder when people are fed up about politics in general?  :pouting-face
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 16, 2019, 13:46:37
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 16, 2019, 11:09:51
ChemicalOverload can you help me understand the negative sentiments towards Teresa? 
Wasn't Brexit voted by the UK population to proceed? And so wasnt she trying to uphold what was voted?
I recall you compared her to M.Thatcher but have yet to fully understand it
...thanks for enlightening me 🙂


WOAW, Scotland did not vote for brexit and we most certainly don't vote for May. Almost 2 thirds of Scotland voted to stay. She has wasted two years doing nothing, with zero effort and because of this incompetence, she couldn't negotiate a good deal to leave, leaving all of us in limbo. As it stands, we don't have a workable deal. We don't know what's going to happen to the customs union, free movement of EU nationals and the Northern Irish border. That is why she was voted down in parliament yesterday because it is a shambles. Shes done nothing for two years. The EU have told her there's no more negotiations to be had, so we are stuck. It's appauling. I know I've just repeated most of what Ulrich said(thank you my dear, nicely put), but we are in a serious bind and people are scared and we've been scared from day 1. I think only 3 million voted on the referendum in total?

She needs to bolt. That's not going to happen just now but seriously, she needs to go. It's embarrassing.

Also, this vote was meant to happen in December, thus wasting another month doing f all.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on January 16, 2019, 15:47:49
Quote from: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 12:02:50
will there have to be a "border control" between Ireland and Northern Ireland?


there's already one in place :)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 15:56:59
Thanks @chemicaloverload for the explanation.  :smth023

Quote from: dsanchez on January 16, 2019, 15:47:49
Quote from: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 12:02:50
will there have to be a "border control" between Ireland and Northern Ireland?


there's already one in place :)


Where? When?

I'm not a big fan of Wikipedia, but for a quick check it's good:
QuoteBorder markings are comparatively inconspicuous, in common with many inter-state borders in the European Union. As both states share a Common Travel Area and are part of the European Single Market, the border is essentially an open one, allowing free passage of people since 1923 and of goods since 1993. There are approximately 270 public roads that cross the border. Following the Brexit vote, the future of the border is uncertain and its status is one of the key points in the UK withdrawal negotiations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_border
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on January 16, 2019, 16:00:04
Interesting finding. Since Northern Ireland belongs to the UK and Ireland does not, I thought there was a passport control like when arriving from outside the UK to e.g. Edinburgh or London.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 16, 2019, 16:01:31
No David, its free a border, part of an agreement after the troubles
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 16:02:08
Quote from: dsanchez on January 16, 2019, 16:00:04
Interesting finding. Since Northern Ireland belongs to the UK and Ireland does not, I thought there was a passport control like when arriving from outside the UK to e.g. Edinburgh or London.


Nope, that's exactly the problem with UK (incl. Northern Ireland) leaving the EU and Ireland remaining.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on January 16, 2019, 16:02:54
Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 16, 2019, 16:01:31
No David, its free a border, part of an agreement after the troubles


means I go to Ireland (I need a visa, but it cost nothing) and then jump to Northern Ireland and then I will be in the UK and can move around (England, Scotland) without paying a 200 EUR tourist visa... but I would be in an irregular situation :( :P
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 16, 2019, 16:04:56
Haha, then get a wee boat to Stranrar and you'll be back in a familiar situation  ;)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on January 16, 2019, 16:54:32
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on January 16, 2019, 11:09:51
can you help me understand the negative sentiments towards Teresa?


According to what CO has said I think there is another reason: the fact that TM rejects the
necessity of a second referendum. I have watched dozens of PMQs last year and lost finally
my interest. I'm sorry to say that but BREXIT has become the biggest cliché of our time. The
original plan was to reform the EU. That was Cameron's intention. It didn't work - yes - but
without a second referendum UK risk a civil war.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: word_on_a_wing on January 17, 2019, 05:05:50

Thanks Ulrich, CO and MM for sharing your views :)

Quote from: Ulrich on January 16, 2019, 12:02:50


... on that day it was raining cats and dogs, so many people stayed at home thinking "majority will vote against Brexit anyway".



I bet many people must regret that decision!!

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 17, 2019, 08:44:01
People feel like they were misinformed and lied to. A second referendum is a good idea in principle but it almost diminishes what we've went through for the last 2 years. A second Indy ref is what I want. We need to remove ourselves form this awful equation.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on January 17, 2019, 12:16:03
Quote from: chemicaloverload on January 17, 2019, 08:44:01
People feel like they were misinformed and lied to.


The same here, CO. People from (North-)Africa and elsewhere came here with wrong ideas
and expectations. Before BREXIT it was clear that the EU was losing popularity in an unacceptable way.
All members have, on the other hand, similar problems (health service, domestic and sexual motivated
violence, lack of prospects for younger people etc.). This is something what we share - even more!
People must know or realize that the EU isn't a self-service shop. In a way BREXIT helps us to value
what we have and what we are actually losing.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 17, 2019, 13:11:46
Trouble is that Mrs May managed to get through the "vote of no confidence". Now she thinks it's her "duty" to lead the UK through Brexit. A new "deal" with the EU seems unrealistic, so what now?  :1f633:
Exit from Brexit? Anyone heard any practicable solutions?

Quote from: MeltingMan on January 16, 2019, 16:54:32
...without a second referendum UK risk a civil war.


Sounds like pure speculation to me. Never heard this from anyone living in UK or any reliable source.  :1f62e:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 17, 2019, 13:13:37
Unrealistic hits the nail on the head. Back to limbo  :expressionless:

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on January 17, 2019, 14:30:56
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSnHJAAOb6E
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 17, 2019, 16:58:08
Wins a strong word....
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 17, 2019, 18:34:51
QuoteThe prime minister's catalogue of errors led us to this point.
Now we face paralysis and humiliation

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jan/15/defeat-may-errors
"This has been Britain's European story, repeatedly seeing what was a project of peace, designed to end centuries of bloodshed, as a scam designed to swindle the Brits of their money...wherever you choose the starting point, the end point is clear enough. It ends like this, in the sight of a parliament paralysed by indecision, still unable to embrace Europe - but just as unable to break away. And in the spectacle of a country lost and adrift."
:1f62a:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on January 17, 2019, 19:16:58
Quote from: Ulrich on January 17, 2019, 13:11:46
Trouble is that Mrs May managed to get through the "vote of no confidence". Now she thinks it's her "duty" to lead the UK through Brexit. A new "deal" with the EU seems unrealistic, so what now?  :1f633:
Exit from Brexit? Anyone heard any practicable solutions?


The German government is prepared for a No-deal scenario (Süddeutsche). Are you surprised?
I'm not, to be honest. Let's face the truth...everything has to come to an end.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on January 17, 2019, 19:54:36
Quote from: MeltingMan on January 17, 2019, 19:16:58
Let's face the truth...everything has to come to an end.


When we both of us knew how the end always is, how the end always is...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 17, 2019, 20:04:10
Quote from: MeltingMan on January 17, 2019, 19:16:58
The German government is prepared for a No-deal scenario (Süddeutsche). Are you surprised?


No. I knew. Been talked about for weeks.
When I said "exit from Brexit?", I was wondering what the Brits will do...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 18, 2019, 09:45:30
Maybe they could try with a "shutdown"? Seems to work well for Trump.  :winking_tongue
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 18, 2019, 20:10:31
QuoteDas Brexit-Chaos in London lässt in Deutschland die Hoffnung auf einen Exit vom Brexit aufkeimen.
https://www.gmx.net/magazine/politik/brexit/deutsche-spitzenpolitiker-rufen-briten-exit-brexit-33522122

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 20, 2019, 15:06:21
Another thing to add to the pot- medication. Seems we are running low on some medications and as a result, people are not able to get their epilepsy/pain/anti depressant medications....

So not only are we going to be driven to despair by the political climate, we aren't going to have access to medications to prevent it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on January 28, 2019, 19:37:13
EU law class, lectuer says "This is not a class about brexit."

SHE then proceeds to talk about Brexit for three classes and first piece of work due in tomorrow- Article 50 and the court case in relation to Brexit.... :expressionless:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 18, 2019, 16:59:50
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-47213212
Quote
"We are in a situation now where many of our fellow-citizens living in Spain or France do not know in just over 40 days time whether they will have any health cover," Sarah Wollaston, the Conservative chair of the House of Commons health select committee told BBC News.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on February 18, 2019, 20:07:32
More doom and gloom. Feel immensely sorry and angry that people are living with this kind of uncertainty. Mays playing Russian roulette with our lives.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 26, 2019, 14:08:43
Delaying is what she's done well so far...  ;)

QuoteTheresa May has promised MPs a vote on ruling out a no-deal Brexit or delaying the UK's departure, if they reject her deal next month.

Theresa May is making a statement to MPs on Brexit, amid the threat of a revolt by Remain-supporting ministers.

The prime minister promised MPs a meaningful vote on her Brexit deal by 12 March.

If they reject her deal she will allow votes on delaying Brexit and ruling out no deal, she said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47373996
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 08, 2019, 20:07:13
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47487320
QuoteTheresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".


Oh well, isn't that what some have been hoping for? (*seeks cover and ducks away*)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on March 15, 2019, 11:22:34
This quote is for TM (inspired by recent news):

Quote from: Winston S. ChurchillIf you are going through hell, keep going.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 15, 2019, 11:53:27
(https://www.toonpool.com/user/103514/files/brexit_2857915.jpg)
https://www.toonpool.com/cartoons/brexit_285791
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on March 15, 2019, 15:05:14
That Churchill quote was for the people, as was he- for the people. May is not. And will never be.

He also said "I never 'worry' about action, but only about inaction" which is more apt to May.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 20, 2019, 09:19:57
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47627744
QuotePrime Minister Theresa May is writing to the EU to formally ask for Brexit to be postponed.

One ministerial source told the BBC the longer delay could be up to two years, amid reports of a cabinet row, but No 10 said no decision had been made.

EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the EU would not grant a delay without a "concrete plan" from the UK about what they would do with it.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on March 20, 2019, 11:38:41
17.4 million voters cannot be wrong, can they? Second referendum - now!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 20, 2019, 14:00:47
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 20, 2019, 11:38:41
Second referendum - now!


Doubtful to happen right now.
To me it looks like a "delay" might be happening and more negotiations...

Even Labour (opposition) stated that currently they are not in favour of a new referendum. (That might change in the face of a re-election or something.)
https://www.dw.com/de/labour-widerstand-gegen-zweites-brexit-referendum/a-47758065
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on March 22, 2019, 13:35:51
if you missed it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE_FIho0F5M
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 22, 2019, 13:54:41
In case anyone missed this:

QuoteA petition calling for Article 50 to be revoked and Brexit cancelled has attracted more than three million signatures.

The milestone, reached by midday on Friday, was reached after more than two million people signed up in less than 24 hours.

It has since become the parliament website's fastest growing petition despite the service crashing several times on Thursday, apparently unable to cope with demand as people voiced their discontent for Theresa May's plans for the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-article-50-revoke-theresa-may-deal-delay-news-a8835016.html
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on March 22, 2019, 14:32:20
By the way, DT made a funny slip of the tongue  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vFdvSBFEZA
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on March 28, 2019, 10:35:44
I must admit that Brexit reminds me of the events in 1989, especially the large demonstration
last Sunday in London. This is a new generation and their future, and for a moment I thought
it would be better when lawyers handle the whole process and not politicians. They failed on both
sides unless we will have a final and workable agreement. There was perhaps no referendum in
East Germany (1989). But people voted with their feet when Hungary(!) opened the borders. And
there was another large group who said "We don't leave. We stay." and their protests had been carried
by the "Wind of Change", so please continue with protests, if necessary. Great job, so far!
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on March 28, 2019, 12:56:58
Quote from: MeltingMan on March 28, 2019, 10:35:44... for a moment I thought it would be better when lawyers handle the whole process and not politicians.


Well, if you want negotiations to last for several more years, hand it to the lawyers!  :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 01, 2019, 16:12:03
Nice commentary (opinion) here:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/usa/id_85502836/brexit-ein-eu-verbleib-waere-die-gerechte-strafe-fuer-grossbritannien.html
Quote
Ich würde gerne wissen, wie es Ihnen mit dem Brexit ergeht. Mich quält er, ich finde unerträglich, was sich im ältesten Parlament auf diesem Erdball ereignet. Manchmal denke ich, ich übersehe wegen der gemischten Gefühle das Wesentliche in dieser unendlichen Geschichte, und dann denke ich wieder: Spinnen die Briten, was machen sie da, haben sie aus den Augen verloren, worum es geht, warum kommen sie nicht zur Besinnung und hören mit diesen makaberen Machtspielchen auf?

Dreimal hat Theresa May ihr Abkommen mit der Europäischen Union dem Parlament zur Abstimmung vorgelegt. Drei Niederlagen hat sie erlitten. Jede andere Premierministerin oder jeder andere Premierminister wäre schon nach dem zweiten Mal zurückgetreten. Ist sie nicht. Und wahrscheinlich erwies sie damit ihrer Nation sogar einen Dienst, denn besser wird es nach ihr bestimmt nicht, wenn der neuerdings erschlankte und vorübergehend leise Boris Johnson seine Inkompetenz in Downing Street 10 zur vollen Blüte treiben dürfte.
(...)
Soweit wird es jedoch nicht kommen. Europa wird sein, was Großbritannien nicht ist: kompromisswillig und zwar zu Recht. Es wäre eine gerechte Strafe für das unregierbare Großbritannien, wenn es noch viel länger als gewollt ein Mitglied der Europäischen Union bleiben müsste. Denn darin läge eine Chance für das zutiefst gespaltene Land, doch noch das zu finden, wozu es bislang so wenig fähig ist: einen Kompromiss.


(Basically he says "staying in the EU would be a just punishment for the Brits".)  :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 03, 2019, 10:27:44
Better late than never, she's trying to find a consensus with the opposition:

QuoteTheresa May is expected to meet Jeremy Corbyn later after she said she wanted to work with the Labour leader to break the Brexit deadlock.

The prime minister hopes the two of them can come up with a modified version of her deal with the EU that can secure the backing of MPs.

Mr Corbyn says he wants a customs union and workers' rights to be priorities.

Mrs May announced her plan to meet Mr Corbyn - as well as her intention to ask the EU for an extension to the Brexit deadline - after more than seven hours of talks with her cabinet on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47796377
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on April 07, 2019, 22:49:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC3WYPxM2oY
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on April 08, 2019, 10:21:43
My impression is that the atmosphere for negotiating Brexit has been
poisoned over a lengthy period. TM has one of the hardest jobs in the
world. She is under constant crossfire, so it might be better to form a
special "task force" with the EU. A neutral and calm place is important.
Proper negotiating is about to begin, so why not...Switzerland? Just a thought.
And the parliament will regain its freedom of action.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 08, 2019, 11:08:30
Quote from: MeltingMan on April 08, 2019, 10:21:43
TM has one of the hardest jobs in the world. She is under constant crossfire...


And that is well-deserved, because for 2 years she's basically done "nothing" and avoided finding any "consent" over Brexit with the opposition or even within her own party!  :pouting-face
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 10, 2019, 09:18:17
Quote from: MeltingMan on April 08, 2019, 10:21:43
... might be better to form a special "task force" with the EU. A neutral and calm place is important.


Erm, you do know there is a "summit" in Brussels this week? Today, I think.
Also, May spoke to the "mother of all chancellors" yesterday (Merkel). ;)

Word from diplomatic circles has it that the EU will agree to a Brexit delay (for a few weeks at least).
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 11, 2019, 09:56:00
Another extension until Oct 31st:
QuoteEuropean Union leaders have granted the UK a six-month extension to Brexit, after five hours of talks in Brussels.

The new deadline - 31 October - averts the prospect of the UK having to leave the EU without a deal on Friday, as MPs are still deadlocked over a deal.

European Council president Donald Tusk said his "message to British friends" was "please do not waste this time".

Theresa May, who had wanted a shorter delay, said the UK would still aim to leave the EU as soon as possible.

The UK must now hold European elections in May, or leave on 1 June without a deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47889404
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on April 20, 2019, 09:22:38
From The Cure on Facebook:

QuoteTHE UPCOMING ELECTIONS TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT WILL HAPPEN IN FIVE WEEKS.

"X MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR PRO-EUROPEAN / PRO-REFERENDUM PARTIES... Y MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR PRO BREXIT / ANTI-REFERENDUM PARTIES" - THIS WILL BE THE STORY - AND IS WHY EVERY VOTE WILL COUNT.

THE ELECTORAL COMMISSION RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THAT 1 IN 3 18-34 YEAR OLDS IS STILL NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT SUPPORTS A CONFIRMATORY REFERENDUM GIVING THE BRITISH PEOPLE A DEMOCRATIC CHOICE BETWEEN ACCEPTING THE 'NEGOTIATED BREXIT DEAL' AND REMAINING IN THE EU, OR ONE THAT DOES NOT... YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED.

PLEASE REGISTER NOW. IT ONLY TAKES A MOMENT...
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote....

AND PLEASE VOTE.

CHANGE THE FUTURE.


https://www.facebook.com/thecure
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on May 24, 2019, 12:24:37
The end of May (the month) is near, near is also the end for PM May...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48395905
QuoteTheresa May has said she will quit as Conservative leader on 7 June, paving the way for a contest to decide a new prime minister.

In an emotional statement in Downing St, she said she had "done my best" to honour the 2016 EU referendum result.

It would remain a matter of "deep regret" that she had been unable to deliver Brexit, she added.

(If that was her best, I don't wanna ever know about her worst...)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on May 24, 2019, 18:06:33
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on May 24, 2019, 18:52:15
This calls for a celebration, everyone raise a glass tonight because...the witch is no more.

It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

Let's hope there's a GE soon and Jezza gets the win.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on May 24, 2019, 19:42:32
Quote from: chemicaloverload on May 24, 2019, 18:52:15It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

If it'll be Boris J., things might get even worse... :1f629:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on May 27, 2019, 21:38:14
Quote from: Ulrich on May 24, 2019, 19:42:32
Quote from: chemicaloverload on May 24, 2019, 18:52:15It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

If it'll be Boris J., things might get even worse... :1f629:

Don't we f*cking know it
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on July 29, 2019, 16:23:25
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/no-deal-brexit-tory-joke-boris-johnson-economic-britain
Quote from: undefinedNo-deal Brexit was once a sick Tory joke.
Now it's serious

Boris Johnson is about to impose a massive economic sanction on his own country. He is playing with fire: it is a political stunt that has gone horribly wrong.

It is clearly reckless to assume a sensible Brexit deal before the due date of 31 October. Politicians can twiddle their thumbs, others cannot. Since March, the Tories decided collectively to stop working in the nation's interest and play a game of chicken with Brussels. It has not worked. The government is now planning for crisis.

The Institute for Government warns that there is no magic button, no "managed no deal", to handle border chaos on 1 November. Emergency measures on trucks, plane flights, tourism and immigration will be entirely at the EU's mercy - as the UK will, overnight, become legally a "foreign state". We will need to be very nice to Brussels. Even current measures on financial services and aviation are strictly temporary. Rudimentary "technology checks" on truck movements will require a huge infrastructure of certificates, gantries and cameras, inspection depots and tariff collection points. None of this is remotely in place. Sixteen thousand officials will need to be set to work on it, and by October. This is impossible.

The irony of Brexit is that it will need a severe boost to the power and centrality of government. Northern Ireland must revert to being a direct-ruled British colony. As with regimes in all sanctioned economies, Johnson must retain popularity by throwing money at Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He will soon spend billions rescuing bankruptcy-threatened farming, steel and car makers. Britain will return to pre-single market nationalisation.

Brexiters may reasonably protest that some of this is exaggerated. As the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, embarrassingly showed on the BBC this morning, what they cannot do is point to any advantage.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on August 04, 2019, 13:33:44
Hello everyone.  I've read this thread and just wanted to say how refreshing it is to see a discussion about politics where everyone remains civil - and on the Internet!  I realise this is a small forum, but still... it's nice to see people listening to each other and asking for clarification etc. :cool

I'm in Australia and so not directly involved in the Brexit debacle, but I can't help noticing that the USA, Australia and now Britain are all run by persons representing the lowest ebb of intelligence and human decency, and I struggle to understand how it got to this all-time low (in my lifetime).  Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, it does - and in democracies... how did anyone vote for these people, let alone a sizeable chunk of each of the three respective populations? It seems that fear and greed have got into an alliance and are successfully running the show.

I no longer expect politics to really solve anything; my hope is in grass roots movements and above all in everyday people doing what they can in their respective microcosms to make things better.

How are all of you coping?

At our house, we don't watch TV news - we can stay informed enough on the Internet without being bombarded with negativity and getting depressed.  We harbour therapeutic fantasies like putting a moat around our farm and peopling it with piranhas, and having a drawbridge across to keep out ogres such as are found in high concentrations in our parliament just now.  We also thought it would be great to have a Parliamentary Dalek that was trained to zone in on rudeness and dishonesty.  We plant a lot of trees and make shelter belts for wildlife and steward a conservation area.  We live off-grid and have seriously worked on reducing our ecological footprint, and I write magazine articles on sustainable land management, passive solar house design, living creatively, etc etc.  I try to connect with other people who themselves are engaged in living thoughtfully in these times, and to hopefully not add to the demoralising effect of living in these times.

Anyway, I hope all of you are well, and finding good things in your lives.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 05, 2019, 13:02:08
Oh well, even his brother quits...

QuoteJo Johnson, younger brother of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, is quitting as a Conservative MP and minister, saying he is "torn between family loyalty and the national interest".

The business minister and MP for Orpington, tweeted that there was an "unresolvable tension" in his role.

Mr Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 EU membership referendum.

He resigned as a minister under Theresa May last year in opposition to the Brexit deal she reached with Brussels.

But he re-entered government during the summer, after Conservative Party members elected his brother as leader.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49594793
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 06, 2019, 18:09:28
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-bill-vote-house-lords-boris-johnson-law-parliament-latest-a9094741.html
QuoteBoris Johnson's Brexit plans suffered a further blow as a bill to block a no-deal outcome on Halloween completed its passage through parliament.

The legislation, tabled by senior Labour backbencher Hilary Benn after MPs seized control of the Commons agenda, is now due to become law by going to the Queen for royal assent on Monday.

It paves the way for a snap general election, now almost certain to take place in October or November.

The embattled prime minister says the legislation will "scupper" his chances of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU, by giving Brussels confidence that the UK will not crash out on 31 October.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 09, 2019, 17:27:37
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/09/no-deal-brexit-officially-blocked-law-10711993/
QuoteA law that would stop the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal has been given Royal Assent.
House of Lords Speaker Lord Fowler confirmed a bill aimed at blocking a 'no-deal' Brexit on 31 October has become law after the Queen gave final approval to the legislation.
The step, known as Royal Assent,  effectively rubber-stamps the law that was passed through parliament last week by an alliance of cross-party MPs. Known as the Benn-Bill, it would extend the Brexit deadline until 31 January 2020 if no deal is agreed with the EU by 19 October. This means it would be illegal for the UK to leave the European Union without a Brexit deal.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/09/no-deal-brexit-officially-blocked-law-10711993/?ito=social?ito=cbshare
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on September 10, 2019, 11:14:18
😮 😟

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 11, 2019, 13:39:35
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/parliament-prorogue-suspend-unlawful-boris-johnson-latest-scottish-supreme-court-brexit-no-deal-a9100396.html
Quote from: undefinedBoris Johnson's five-week suspension of parliament has been ruled unlawful by the highest appeal court in Scotland, with a panel of three senior judges concluding that the order to close the doors of Westminster to MPs was therefore "null and of no effect".
:smth023
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on September 12, 2019, 08:55:51
The voice of reason us Scots  :cool
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 24, 2019, 12:55:14
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49810261
Quote from: undefinedBoris Johnson's decision to suspend Parliament was unlawful, the Supreme Court has ruled.

Mr Johnson suspended - or prorogued - Parliament for five weeks earlier this month, but the court said it was wrong to stop MPs carrying out duties in the run-up to Brexit on 31 October.

Supreme Court president Lady Hale said "the effect on the fundamentals of democracy was extreme".

Hopefully this means "bye-bye" to Boris soon(ish).

I'll leave you with this, very funny:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: chemicaloverload on September 24, 2019, 18:08:15
This was a delightful unanimous decision. He said he's not resigning, but we shall see.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: MeltingMan on September 26, 2019, 10:24:45
😶

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 26, 2019, 12:49:29
^^
(https://www.writing-skills.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Facepalm-statue-300x300.jpg)

Imho, it's not the parliament which is a disgrace, but the politicians who tried to block it (tricked it, undermined it, ignored it etc.)!  :pouting-face   :mad:  :1f629:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on September 27, 2019, 11:43:44
Now even his sister turns away from his awful rhetoric (does he want to become a 2nd "Trump" or what?)...

QuoteBoris Johnson's sister has criticised his behaviour, saying it was "not helpful" to blame Parliament for his Brexit difficulties, and claiming that he used the Commons despatch box as a "bully pulpit".

Rachel Johnson said his attack on Parliament was a "strongman gambit" designed to "whip up" support.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/boris-johnsons-sister-rachel-blasts-16987833
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on October 14, 2019, 16:44:03
While there is a bit of "uncertainty" for most of us in regards to Brexit, it must be a nightmare for any musicians planning a tour or similar journeys...
https://louderthanwar.com/no-deal-brexit-mean-touring-uk-bands/
QuoteThere are many questions being asked about projected European tours from Oct 31st onwards and no answers. Boris Johnson and his hot air rhetoric and the potential of a no-deal Brexit leaves no answers and lots of confusion.

We need answers with tours in place for after the Brexit date and no way of knowing whether they will happen or not.

1. Will bands need visas or work permits?
No-one knows and the uncertainty is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on October 17, 2019, 01:57:35
(https://media.guim.co.uk/f7df79dc81bbcd0f5e6f5d39fdecff95cc82167f/0_0_3508_6882/1019.jpg)

Another Aussie cartoonist who can brighten your day.  This one can also save you a lot of time by being a reliable source of good executive summaries of world news which only take a couple of minutes a week while making you laugh (not always in mirth, but at least laugh, which is nice for your endorphin levels and therefore your ability to be of actual use in real life). :)

https://www.theguardian.com/profile/first-dog-on-the-moon
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on December 13, 2019, 20:17:48
Well, seems like Boris can do it now with the majority he has. However Scotland might want to leave the "U.K.", in Northern Ireland the "Nationalists" have won more votes and I don't know about Wales... :?

https://www.gmx.net/magazine/politik/grossbritannien-brexit/schottland-strebt-zweites-unabhaengigkeitsrefendum-grossbritannien-34267184
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on January 11, 2020, 22:38:12
Quote from: Ulrich on December 13, 2019, 20:17:48Well, seems like Boris can do it now with the majority he has. However Scotland might want to leave the "U.K.", in Northern Ireland the "Nationalists" have won more votes and I don't know about Wales... :?

Northern Ireland has an autonomous government again.

And Boris met the other day with Ursula Von Der Leyen (I wonder why nº10 did not explode, with such an overdose of talented politicians inside?).

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 12, 2020, 10:52:08
Found this wonderful pic c/o "heute show":

(https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/p960x960/81734961_10156793862315986_2438151516876439552_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQlQ-ngnYG0IqrN8xVlufYsknteOepJOdQnhvXcm4vxezwKFn7UdsFceRnqe_ytcyribzpmlgSEvYOvtftD-5IvL&_nc_ht=scontent-frt3-1.xx&_nc_tp=1&oh=a38940632ec178bd337b00d5e1e758c2&oe=5EA566B6)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on January 14, 2020, 23:36:24
Quote from: MeltingMan on September 26, 2019, 10:24:45

Everytime I see these images, if I close my eyes I see Nick Cave on a strange film role.

Today I've already had to tell some Remainer on the internet to calm down, then I've had to do the same to a Brexiter.

People are very... flammable, lately, don't you think? I mean, not just in the UK.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 15, 2020, 14:40:34
Of course with a topic like Brexit (which might hit some people harder, especially those who aren't rich) emotions can become deeply affected.

Quote from: piggymirror on January 14, 2020, 23:36:24People are very... flammable, lately, don't you think? I mean, not just in the UK.

Not so much lately. More like since 2001, when (almost) everyone had access to the internet (and many trolls did flood the internet forums with their infinite "wisdom")...  :unamused:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on January 15, 2020, 17:40:43
Quote from: Ulrich on January 15, 2020, 14:40:34Not so much lately. More like since 2001, when (almost) everyone had access to the internet (and many trolls did flood the internet forums with their infinite "wisdom")...  :unamused:

Hmmm... I'd say it's worse now. Only that on forums most of those people have already been banned.

But now a great number of those people have moved away from forums to Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp, etc.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 15, 2020, 19:54:59
Quote from: piggymirror on January 15, 2020, 17:40:43But now a great number of those people have moved away from forums to Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, WhatsApp, etc.

I can't comment about twitter, insta, whatsapp because I don't use them. I'm on Facebook, but in my "circles" there it's not gotten worse. (There's always been a few trolls. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Trouble in internet forums is: some of them return in a new disguise...)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on January 15, 2020, 22:19:19
Quote from: Ulrich on January 15, 2020, 19:54:59Trouble in internet forums is: some of them return in a new disguise...)

Clones.

They get permabanned, but they re-register, yes.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on January 31, 2020, 20:19:27
Now it's official. But no need to worry about lack of news, there'll be long negotiations about the deals for the future...

Article in German Looking back on 3 years of "Brexiting":

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/internationale-politik/id_87257332/das-brexit-drama-in-drei-akten-luegen-stuerzten-ein-land-ins-chaos.html
QuoteDie Brexit-Befürworter feiern, denn sie haben diesen Tag lange herbeigesehnt. Die Befürworter des EU-Verbleibs landen dagegen auf dem Boden der Realität - viele hatten bis zuletzt gehofft, den Austritt trotz des Referendums noch verhindern zu können. Für die europäische Gemeinschaft ist es in jedem Fall ein trauriges Ereignis, der Brexit war immer schon eine Niederlage des Multilateralismus. Großbritannien steht vor einer ungewissen Zukunft, die genauen Ausmaße des jetzt eintretenden Prozesses können noch nicht beziffert werden. Doch eines ist klar: Letztlich gewinnen weder die Briten noch die EU. National und international geht es um Schadensbegrenzung - wie schon in den vergangenen drei Jahren.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on January 31, 2020, 22:06:42
What the Brexiteers told the Brits... (https://youtu.be/n3nPiBai66M)

What they really meant... (https://youtu.be/l5Cqp3pnE98)

What Brexit will probably end up looking like... (https://youtu.be/RGT4V6JmINA)

What the EU citizens thought in the beginning... (https://youtu.be/scif2vfg1ug)

What the EU citizens think now... (https://youtu.be/bXLvzP_Td8k)

Me... (https://youtu.be/s6_U2WfGI3s)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on February 01, 2020, 04:53:28
Quote from: piggymirror on January 31, 2020, 22:06:42What the Brexiteers told the Brits... (https://youtu.be/n3nPiBai66M)

What they really meant... (https://youtu.be/l5Cqp3pnE98)

What Brexit will probably end up looking like... (https://youtu.be/RGT4V6JmINA)

What the EU citizens thought in the beginning... (https://youtu.be/scif2vfg1ug)

What the EU citizens think now... (https://youtu.be/bXLvzP_Td8k)

Me... (https://youtu.be/s6_U2WfGI3s)


ROFL  :lol:

You're definitely winning a prize for that little precis!  :cool

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.O2HtZly36So_wA938xcDtQHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1)

PS:  I am sorry the prize is so conventional.  Maybe I'll think of a song later.  ;)

PPS:  I've thought of a song, but it's not by The Cure.  Good hair but :winking_tongue, and the song fits.  Heck, this song always fits...


PPPS:  I didn't know the last track.  Very nice.  Thanks for the intro!   :smth023
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: dsanchez on February 01, 2020, 20:38:47
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 04, 2020, 09:28:31
Quote from: undefinedAs Britain now coasts into Brexit, music industry names continue to voice their fears over the uncertain future that faces homegrown touring artists. Last year, the value of the UK's live music scene surged to £1.1billion, but now many say the implications of Brexit could be "devastating" to artists wishing to tour Europe.

Its thought that the extra expenses incurred and added paperwork relating to Visas, taxation and transporting equipment and merchandise will make crossing the Channel  "completely unviable" for new and mid-level artists. Tens of thousands have already signed a petition by the Musicians' Union calling for a new passport that will allow acts and crew to travel freely between EU member states, ridding them of new required permits.

The main concerns revolve around the money and manpower involved in completing the paperwork for multiple Visas to work across Europe, as well as filling carnets (an international customs and temporary export-import document) for the movement of all instruments and equipment, paying tax on the import and export of merchandise and applying for licences to do so on each tour, payment of social security in each individual EU country, and the regular checks against all documentation to ensure that it covers artists for a period of grace beyond any touring that you may be doing.
https://www.nme.com/features/how-brexit-will-screw-over-british-touring-artists-2604516
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on February 04, 2020, 20:13:02
Quote from: Ulrich on February 04, 2020, 09:28:31
Quote from: undefinedAs Britain now coasts into Brexit, music industry names continue to voice their fears over the uncertain future that faces homegrown touring artists. Last year, the value of the UK's live music scene surged to £1.1billion, but now many say the implications of Brexit could be "devastating" to artists wishing to tour Europe.

Its thought that the extra expenses incurred and added paperwork relating to Visas, taxation and transporting equipment and merchandise will make crossing the Channel  "completely unviable" for new and mid-level artists. Tens of thousands have already signed a petition by the Musicians' Union calling for a new passport that will allow acts and crew to travel freely between EU member states, ridding them of new required permits.

The main concerns revolve around the money and manpower involved in completing the paperwork for multiple Visas to work across Europe, as well as filling carnets (an international customs and temporary export-import document) for the movement of all instruments and equipment, paying tax on the import and export of merchandise and applying for licences to do so on each tour, payment of social security in each individual EU country, and the regular checks against all documentation to ensure that it covers artists for a period of grace beyond any touring that you may be doing.
https://www.nme.com/features/how-brexit-will-screw-over-british-touring-artists-2604516

Haven't they said "hello I'm here" a bit late?

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 05, 2020, 10:48:54
Quote from: piggymirror on February 04, 2020, 20:13:02Haven't they said "hello I'm here" a bit late?

Who's they? The NME? The musicians? If it's the latter, the answer is a resounding "NO!". Look at post #68 here in this thread.

Have you read the article I linked? The quote was only a small part of it.

QuoteIn 2018, the CEO of UK Music, Michael Dugher, wrote a letter to Theresa May warning that "the ending of free movement with no waiver for musicians will put our fast-growing live music sector, that generates around £1 billion a year for the UK economy, at serious risk". While all the headlines regarding that huge income are often centred around the phenomenal success of the likes of Ed Sheeran and Adele, Davyd warns that the chances of other acts being able to reach their level of fame and exposure will be severely hampered by Brexit.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on February 05, 2020, 20:17:26
2018 was after the referendum anyway...
There's also this December 2016 article by Bernard Sumner (https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/culture/new-order-why-europe-made-us-what-we-are-today-1-4800701). AFTER the referendum.
Before the referendum I was only aware of... Bob Geldof.
And I know, Art.50, the Commons shitshow, and etc, but still, Remain weren't trying hard enough at the right time, that is before the referendum.
Now it's a bit too late.

And yes, I read it.

I looooved the "Unleashing Britain's Potential" photo.  :1f637:
I would have loved it even more if some pidgeon had been passing by and dropped him a present...
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 05, 2020, 20:41:50
Quote from: piggymirror on February 05, 2020, 20:17:26And yes, I read it.

Good, then next time please write a bit more about it than just one line.

Now it's a bit too late.  :P
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on February 06, 2020, 00:59:15
Quote from: Ulrich on February 05, 2020, 20:41:50Good, then next time please write a bit more about it than just one line.

Now it's a bit too late.  :P

Ok I lose.

<hides under bed, scares cat who scratches him, so runs down to the basement instead, incidentally finding a snail in it, and, for some reason, an Austrian girl>

But you can't deny that oJoB must have got his coiffeur inspiration from somewhere.  :1f631:

Come to think of it, isn't "oJoB" what's heard at the start of Pornography?
People say it's "poor George", but it gets distorted.
That must have been a pre-ammunition.
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on February 06, 2020, 08:53:25
Sorry to butt in, gentlemen, but I am intrigued by the cat and the snail, and their further fates; and also whether they appeared to express any views on Brexit while in your presence, @piggymirror.  I don't think their kind have been sufficiently consulted to date on the scenario.  :angel

And speaking of strange things half heard in songs, I still want to know if anyone can help me with the apparent repeated uttering of the word "bathtub" by the background person on the remix of Out Of This World on Join The Dots.  If you can assist with that issue, as it's off-topic here, please pop it onto this thread: http://curefans.com/index.php?topic=9201.msg771763#msg771763 (gives the post it was asked in) 

...regrettably I can't do any useful contributions on serious topics today because we have a heatwave here (currently it's a toasty 39 degrees C) and my brain is boiling :1f630:  (as farm chores render me unable to huddle indoors where it's cool all day long but I am seriously considering becoming nocturnal in summertime...)
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 06, 2020, 17:00:59
Are you the Australian girl, SueC?  :?

Quote from: piggymirror on February 05, 2020, 20:17:26Remain weren't trying hard enough at the right time, that is before the referendum.

Nice words, but maybe you should've told them before the referendum... (too late, again).  :disappointed:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on February 06, 2020, 20:24:41
Quote from: Ulrich on February 06, 2020, 17:00:59Nice words, but maybe you should've told them before the referendum... (too late, again).  :disappointed:

Maybe. Or maybe I did. I don't know.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on February 06, 2020, 20:28:39
Quote from: SueC on February 06, 2020, 08:53:25...regrettably I can't do any useful contributions on serious topics today because we have a heatwave here (currently it's a toasty 39 degrees C) and my brain is boiling :1f630:  (as farm chores render me unable to huddle indoors where it's cool all day long but I am seriously considering becoming nocturnal in summertime...)

Don't listen to Nick Cave's The Mercy Seat tonight, keep yourself... cold.
Think of Europe this time of year, just watch our weather forecasts (or at least, some of them).
If you can't, just google "Tasmania" or "Te Anau".
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on February 07, 2020, 00:09:37
Quote from: Ulrich on February 06, 2020, 17:00:59Are you the Australian girl, SueC?  :?

Well, I suppose I was a girl a long time ago!  :yum:

And I am indeed from the British Colonies.

Which begs the question... our part of the world never pretended to be a part of Europe, but if we had, would we now be having Colonexit?

Although probably a lot of people in the "motherland" are having that anyway, even without our participation.  :angel



Quote from: piggymirror on February 06, 2020, 20:28:39
Quote from: SueC on February 06, 2020, 08:53:25...regrettably I can't do any useful contributions on serious topics today because we have a heatwave here (currently it's a toasty 39 degrees C) and my brain is boiling :1f630:  (as farm chores render me unable to huddle indoors where it's cool all day long but I am seriously considering becoming nocturnal in summertime...)

Don't listen to Nick Cave's The Mercy Seat tonight, keep yourself... cold.
Think of Europe this time of year, just watch our weather forecasts (or at least, some of them).
If you can't, just google "Tasmania" or "Te Anau".

The way you made that text red just increased the temperature even more!   :1f62d:

Yes, we have that track at our house!  An electric chair might cause increased body temperature, probably more so indirectly (anticipation) than directly, at least from the perspective of the, ahem, recipient... but it also causes a (permanent) loss of consciousness...  :1f632:  But anyway, yes, a track to avoid right now.   :-D

Tasmania is where we nearly moved to, after lots of hiking holidays.  But this is about as close to Antarctica as we can get on the West Australian land mass.  Well - actually, when we lived right on the coast, the summer maxima were around 10 degrees C cooler.  Being just 20km inland as the crow flies makes a big difference to that... thank goodness the house stays cool... whose idea was it to be a smallholder... grumble... oh, erm, mine...

Those European weather forecasts do sound like good weather therapy!   :cool

And meanwhile, should any of you be freezing your posteriors off and longing for sunshine and warmth (since the grass is always greener etc), you can credibly simulate current Australian temperature conditions at your house by taking an electric fan heater into your toilet (or other small enclosed cubicle) and running it on high for about an hour.  Enjoy.  :evil:  :smth023  :beaming-face
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: SueC on February 07, 2020, 03:11:48
The whole Colonexit business has got me thinking.  It's a good thing that the Serengeti was never a part of Europe, or you'd be constantly reminded of chicken farms!  :angel

For those with a less rural upbringing:  https://www.careerexplorer.com/careers/chicken-sexer/
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 07, 2020, 11:18:16
Quote from: piggymirror on February 06, 2020, 20:24:41Maybe. Or maybe I did.

Well if you did, it didn't help (obviously).  :1f62a:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on February 20, 2020, 13:40:46
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-touring-artists-will-need-visas-to-perform-in-the-uk-from-2021/

Quote from: undefinedLONDON -- EU artists and entertainers will need visas to perform in the United Kingdom from January 2021, the Home Office has said.

The department announced Tuesday that artists and sports players from the EU would be subject to the same rules that currently apply to their non-EU peers once the Brexit transition comes to an end in December.

At the moment, artists and their crews can travel freely from the EU to the U.K. and vice versa without applying for work permits or visas. But once freedom of movement ends, both EU and non-EU artists will need a Tier 5 visa in order to perform in the U.K., take part in competitions or auditions, participate in promotional activities, attend workshops, give talks about their work, and take part in cultural events or festivals.

With this announcement, briefly mentioned in a policy paper, the Home Office has poured cold water on the hopes of the British live industry to achieve reciprocal arrangements between the U.K. and the EU that resemble freedom of movement as much as possible, enabling artists to continue to move around with their instruments and merchandising without facing extra paperwork or costs. Music industry groups in the U.K. had called for a two-year working visa to allow artists to travel freely around the EU and the U.K. for work.
:unamused:
Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: piggymirror on April 04, 2020, 13:25:23
Jeremy Corbyn's out.

In comes Keir Starmer.

Source: BBC.

Title: Re: Brexit
Post by: Ulrich on December 30, 2020, 13:17:34
Even though negotiations went on until the proverbial last minute, things for touring artists are still not good:

QuoteThe UK has a huge music / event touring industry which has suffered immensely due to Covid. After the end of the transition period, we face further hardship when trying to tour the EU on a professional basis, with potentially each country asking for its own visa, that would be valid only for one trip...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/563294

QuoteWe would like the UK Govt to negotiate a free cultural work permit that gives us visa free travel throughout the 27 EU states for music touring professionals, bands, musicians, artists, TV and sports celebrities that tour the EU to perform shows and events & Carnet exception for touring equipment.