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LP13 Delayed... Again?!

Started by Bloodflower, July 16, 2008, 23:32:50

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Freakshow

i don't mind the delay. I just hope that we can expect a wonderful album in October. (and hopefully one in December)According to the new songs they played on the tour it has to be fantastic!
Anyway, i also remember reading about a three album contract.
Show me how you do that trick...

rodney

I thought it was a three album deal too.  Five album deals are rare.  Usually three or seven.

revolt

Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 11:31:41
I just remembered a thing Porl Thompson mentioned in some interview a while ago, I think at the end of 2007, or something. When asked what the new Cure album sounded like, he said it was 'gorgeous'. Of course he was referring to his impression of the sessions


The interview I was talking about is from January 2007 and is here:

http://www.hispacure.com/b/prensa/archivo/reportajes/hispacure/interview_porl_january2007.pdf

Porl says the following words:

"I won't say too much other than a lot of passion and raw sounding
but it could change over night! I love it though it is Gorgeous!"


revolt

Quote from: revolt on July 17, 2008, 10:48:27

Anyway, I really hope it won't be a double, because I don't know of any REALLY GOOD double CD releases (compilations and live recordings aside, that is)!


I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).

Lostflowerboy

Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16

I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).


But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").

revolt

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16

I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).


But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists.


That's a good reason for not asking them. If these bands that I like want to have some feedback from the fans as to what the tracklists to their albums should be, they should just ask ME...  :-D

japanesebaby

Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16

I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).


But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").


just a side note:
it's interesting to observe how the concept of an album affects to our thinking, when we talk about music. (also, how that concept has changed ever since it stopped being sliced into sides A & B, but that's another story.) it seems like we're always "counting songs", thinking "is that enough good stuff for an album?" and things like this.  just think of it if artists/bands just released all their songs individually, and had always done so.
or, if the concept of an album was more varied somehow. i mean i'd really hope people experiemented with it more, tried consciously to create different (song) structures, different kind of overall compositions (i don't mean songs as individual compositions but the whole of it), tried to use different kind of architecture so to speak, when putting together "an album". i feel like it's too often just based on "let's see just how much stuff can i fit on one cd" and other dull calculations like that. almost as if sometimes artists seemed to feel responsible to fill all the space on the discs... and then you get to pay for obvious fillers which shouldn't even be there. i'd rather buy 35 minutes of great stuff than 70 minutes of something that's a quality rollercoaster.
for instance, i'm not at all a fan of Slayer but i do like the overall composition of their debute 'show no mercy': it's only about 35 minutes in all and kicks ass from the beginning to the end, no bullshit included - because there's simply no time/room for it!
that's a kind of thinking i like.*)


*edit: i don't mean i like short albums in general. ;) i meant that Slayer seems to have found a format there that really fits their style and their message and they went for that - instead of making it twice as long (and twice as boring too...). so what i mean is that a lot of times artists could be a bit sharper about this, more conscious about what they want, how they want their albums to be like. instead of "just" carrying out their responsibilities and making "an album". (because they also save us poor fans the trouble of  sitting here and going on and on about how this or that album should be re-constructed. ;))

:D
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

revolt

Quote from: japanesebaby on July 22, 2008, 11:10:27
Quote from: Lostflowerboy on July 21, 2008, 16:10:04
Quote from: revolt on July 21, 2008, 15:03:16

I have thought about this and I actually know a double CD that is really GOOD: 'Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness', by the Smashing Pumpkins. However that album has quite a bit of filler and if it had been stripped down to just 1 CD it could have been a VERY GOOD album, almost as great as 'Siamese Dream' (a very Cure-ish title for an album, by the way).


But if you ask one hundred people who love that album to strip it down to 1 CD you'll get 100 completely different tracklists. In my oppinion the band even had enough songs for a great 3-4 CD album (including the numerous B-Sides, just to mention "The last song" or "God").


just a side note:
it's interesting to observe how the concept of an album affects to our thinking, when we talk about music. (also, how that concept has changed ever since it stopped being sliced into sides A & B, but that's another story.) it seems like we're always "counting songs", thinking "is that enough good stuff for an album?" and things like this.  just think of it if artists/bands just released all their songs individually, and had always done so.
or, if the concept of an album was more varied somehow. i mean i'd really hope people experiemented with it more, tried consciously to create different (song) structures, different kind of overall compositions (i don't mean songs as individual compositions but the whole of it), tried to use different kind of architecture so to speak, when putting together "an album". i feel like it's too often just based on "let's see just how much stuff can i fit on one cd" and other dull calculations like that. almost as if sometimes artists seemed to feel responsible to fill all the space on the discs... and then you get to pay for obvious fillers which shouldn't even be there. i'd rather buy 35 minutes of great stuff than 70 minutes of something that's a quality rollercoaster.
for instance, i'm not at all a fan of Slayer but i do like the overall composition of their debute 'show no mercy': it's only about 35 minutes in all and kicks ass from the beginning to the end, no bullshit included - because there's simply no time/room for it!
that's a kind of thinking i like.*)


*edit: i don't mean i like short albums in general. ;) i meant that Slayer seems to have found a format there that really fits their style and their message and they went for that - instead of making it twice as long (and twice as boring too...). so what i mean is that a lot of times artists could be a bit sharper about this, more conscious about what they want, how they want their albums to be like. instead of "just" carrying out their responsibilities and making "an album". (because they also save us poor fans the trouble of  sitting here and going on and on about how this or that album should be re-constructed. ;))

:D


I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring. Actually, from what I have checked, most death metal albums nowadays seem to last for 30-40 minutes, sometimes even less. Those bands know what they're doing, at least in this respect.

Anyway, I think you can also find plenty of Cure examples of albums with the right lenght (and with the right song sequencing). Actually, probably all of them up to 'Wish'. KMKMKM is quite long, alright, but on that album they were going for the whole spectrum of possible styles, so it makes sense. So, even if a few songs are kind-of-"fillerish", it doesn't actually seem to be overlong, at least to me.

I agree that with the advent of the CD medium, the 'intuition' that many bands seemed to have regarding the construction of their albums seems to have vanished in the haze. Because they have 80 minutes to fill with all the music they like, bands probably don't bother anymore... There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music. These are a QUANTITY-OVER-ALL times, after all.

japanesebaby

Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring.


sure, that's true. my point was not to say 30-40 minute medium should be good for everyone, just to find some kind of example where people have at least thought about this aspect a bit, because all too often i feel it's just quantity over quality, like said.

Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music.


a friend of mine who's a fan of susanne vega just bought her new album early this year. she had been waiting for that release a lot and after she got it i asked her "so how did you like it?". the only thing she said was: "i was really disappointed because it's only 35 minutes long! :("
i guess that speaks for itself, sadly. :/
Ay, in the very temple of Delight
Veil'd Melancholy has her sovran shrine

revolt

Quote from: japanesebaby on July 22, 2008, 11:59:32
Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
I think "Reign in Blood" is actually even shorter and at least as killer as 'Show No Mercy'... Anyway, with albums that revel in the same style for the whole of their duration, that is the only way to go, otherwise they would become boring.


sure, that's true. my point was not to say 30-40 minute medium should be good for everyone, just to find some kind of example where people have at least thought about this aspect a bit, because all too often i feel it's just quantity over quality, like said.

Quote from: revolt on July 22, 2008, 11:29:30
There's also the issue that many people feel that they are being cheated if the CD album they are buying comes only with, say, 45 minute of music.


a friend of mine who's a fan of susanne vega just bought her new album early this year. she had been waiting for that release a lot and after she got it i asked her "so how did you like it?". the only thing she said was: "i was really disappointed because it's only 35 minutes long! :("
i guess that speaks for itself, sadly. :/



Well, 35 minutes is kind of really short... it wouldn't matter if all the songs were great, as in her debut album, for instance, but I guess nowadays Suzanne is probably not that inspired (I'm just guessing here, at least her last album that I checked - 'Songs in Red and Grey' - was not impressive at all...).

I think people really want to get 'smashed' by the music. If quality somehow fails at least quantity will be there to satisfy them.



PS: I just checked the old rusty encyclopedia ( http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=212 ). 'Reign in Blood' in fact only lasts for about 28 minutes...

Fabien G

Hello everyone,

just wanted to say that it seems (according to COF tonight) that Universal has the new album delayed it seems to Oct 28th. 

I'll just speak about that because that's the topic, I'm a bit disappointed, not because it's delayed (even though I had thought that this time it owuld stay this way), but because of the date: I'd rather have it released on Nov 13th!

melly

yep,Robert did put a couple of announcements in the "comments" section on the Official site, but of course, one has to wade through mountains of jibberjabber to actually find them...but the album has been delayed, and it's Universals' fault... COF has the comments from Robert, easier to read there...
" Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass...it's about learning to dance in the rain "...

nausearockpig

why am I not surprised? Still if it makes for a better album, I for one, am happy to wait.

Trust...

Here is what Robert wrote on the official site:

DELAY? WHAT DELAY?!!
9/8/2008 5:43:06 PM - by CURE:ROBERT

SO THE ALBUM IS OUT 13 DAYS LATER THAN PLANNED (WELL... AS LONG AS THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE BENDS TO FIT THE STORY? OR IF WE RUN FAST ENOUGH EAST... )

HOWEVER
EXCITING THINGS START HAPPENING HERE ON THE 13TH OCTOBER...

MORE NEWS WHEN HYPNAGOGIC HAS BEEN BORN

RSX

PS
WE CANT MAKE IT HALLOWEEN BECAUSE THE MIGHTY U DONT RELEASE ON FRIDAYS... AND THERES ME WORRYING ABOUT THE FLEXIBILITY OF THE IDL!!!

and also:

LUCKY 13?
9/8/2008 5:53:52 PM - by CURE:ROBERT

IN A YEARS TIME I DOUBT ANYONE WILL REMEMBER THE RELEASE DATE...

AND THE SAD REALITY IS THAT FAR FROM EMBRACING MY 13TH CONCEPT
(DESPITE MY BEST EFFORTS)
THE MIGHTY U HAVE CHOSEN TO TOTALLY IGNORE IT
AS THEY SCHEDULE THEIR RELEASES AROUND A USA TUESDAY... AND BUSINESS IS BUSINESS...

IN FACT ''THE ONLY ONE' WAS INDEED THE ONLY ONE OF THE FIVE RELEASES SO FAR TO GET OUT ON A 13TH - AND THEN... PLAN 13 FELL APART AS FAR BACK AS JUNE!

AND THE NEXT 13TH THAT FALLS ON A TUESDAY?

JANUARY 2009...

SO
OCTOBER 28TH IT WILL BE!


RSX

PS
NOT SURE IF IT WILL BE OUT ON THE 27TH EVERYWHERE ELSE...
BUT THEN I'M NOT SURE TMU IS SURE EITHER!

PPS
OCTOBER 28TH IS THE 301ST DAY OF THE YEAR... SO THERE IS A 1 AND A 3 IN THERE SOMEWHERE AFTER ALL!!! YAY!!!

Just wait is the message! Trust...



Vanilla smile and a gorgeous strawberry kiss x

sues777

Hey, it's only 2 weeks...I can wait...
The further we go, and older we grow, the more we know the less we show