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Equipment to tape a concert

Started by dsanchez, March 05, 2007, 16:44:18

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j

Quote from: lostflower4 on August 31, 2007, 21:30:03
Well, now you're getting me worried. :lol:

Ok, here's something from a recording of mine. The beginning part is probably about the closest to silence you'll ever hear at a rock concert.

http://www.imaginary-lemurs.com/samples/10%20You've%20Got%20Another%20Thing%20Comin'.mp3


Mind you, there are still people rustling about and even some motorcyles in the background â€" but even if I'm trying to hear some bad hiss on purpose, it's just not there.

And you can see this absolutely couldn't be a problem when the music starts.

(I know, this is the kind of music that all Cure fans love...)


A JUDAS PRIEST COVER!!!!  I love it! :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker :rocker


rjl

Was it a cover band, or someone else doing a cover?

If it's a cover band, awesome, as that's where JP found "Ripper" Owens, who did a good job before Halford came back.

And if not, cool, too. Before their hiatus, members one of my favorite semi-local bands -- Scissorfight -- did an awesome cover of it with members of another local band (Lamont). Awesome song.

lostflower4

Remember these guys? :lol:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FireHouse_%28band%29


The band photo on there is awful. The guy in the cowboy hat isn't even a member, and I've never seen him in my life!

WTF??? :oops:

j

That guy doesn't even get any credit "Guitarist Bill Leverty is absent, replacement is seen in picture".

Unless of course, his name is actually replacement.

lostflower4

Quote from: j on September 07, 2007, 16:13:04
Unless of course, his name is actually replacement.


:lol:


Back to this supposed issue about the Edirol and hiss, I just measured the line-in noise of my digital sound card and compared it to the R-09.

When set at the same levels, their self-noise is within one decibel of each other. And I've always known that my sound card isn't noisy, so... :smth023

Tof

SD card 8 Go classe 6 73 € 90 / 103 $ 20
http://www.lcdi.fr/index.php?activate=affichage_produit&id_produit=5352

Edirol R-09 230 € 65 / 321 $ 99
http://cgi.ebay.fr/Edirol-Roland-R-09-Wave-MP3-Recorder-100-BRAND-NEW_W0QQitemZ250166703667QQihZ015QQcategoryZ41784QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Core Sound Binaural microphone set 164 € 82 / 230 $
http://www.core-sound.com/mics/8.php

Do I need to add 21 € 50 / 30 $ for a battery box with the switchable bass roll-off filter.

475 € 37 + 21 € 50 if I need a a battery box with the switchable bass roll-off filter.


Tof

j

If anyone is looking for an Edirol R-9 and some mics to go with it, check out Sound professionals:

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Roland (Edirol) made us a deal! We are getting a special shipment of Edirol R-09's next week at a lower price! Only $348.00! Even better, if you purchase the R-09, you can get a set of Sound Professionals Binaural Microphones (see specific models below) at HALF PRICE!

Hi again! We worked a special deal with Edirol! For a limited time (while stock lasts only), this easy-to-use digital recorder is available at the blow-out price of $348.00.

To make the deal even better, we are offering our most popular Sound Professionals Binaural microphones at 50% off the already discounted prices listed on the website. (Limit 3 sets of 50% off microphones per R-09 purchase, mix and match). You must use the discount coupon noted below to get the 50% savings:


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This offer is while supplies last only! Previous sales not applicable.

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bbernardini

Anybody have any thoughts on the proper input level to use when recording a loud rock show with the Edirol R-09 internal mics?

lostflower4

Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:28:54
Anybody have any thoughts on the proper input level to use when recording a loud rock show with the Edirol R-09 internal mics?


Well, you'll definitely want to switch to the low gain mode on the back of the unit.

And I guess the levels would still have to be pretty low. But honestly, why not buy a pair of real mics?  The results will be 10x better. You can get something pretty decent for about $100, and then even better from there on up.

Here's some mics I would consider if I didn't want to spend a lot of money:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-12

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-EBM-1  (clever stealth design there  ;))


Even these will blow the Edirol's internal mics away (and they're really cheap!):

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-2


In reality, I think it's pretty silly to spend $300-400 on an Edirol and just use the the built-in mics. You'd get MUCH better results buying an iRiver H120 on eBay for $100 and spending $200 on a pair of external mics!

Even a minidisc recorder + external mics would be a better solution (although I'm not a fan of MD).






bbernardini

Well, I already have access to these:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-19

and a battery box. Do you think those would be better than the R-09 internals?

lostflower4

Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 19:56:35
Well, I already have access to these:

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-CMC-19

and a battery box. Do you think those would be better than the R-09 internals?


Probably. Just about anything is better than the built-in mics. The reason I say "probably" in this case is because the one recording I've heard made with CMC-19s wasn't very good. But that could be due to a lot of factors.

The reason the mics are there in the first place is simply to make the Edirol marketable to a larger audience (including journalists or people recording business meetings or lectures). They're really not meant for recording rock music.  ;)

bbernardini

I did record a Broadway show with those external mics, but the level was very low, and there was a significant hum. However, I think I only had the input level set to 11 or 12, which I'm guessing wasn't enough.

lostflower4

Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 20:08:35
I did record a Broadway show with those external mics, but the level was very low, and there was a significant hum. However, I think I only had the input level set to 11 or 12, which I'm guessing wasn't enough.


The built-in are really noisy. That's one of my biggest gripes about them.

Even for simple speech stuff, there is always some background noise. Really, Edirol cheaped out on those (despite the grandioise advertising claims they make about them).

bbernardini

Thanks for the advice! The question remains, though...what's a safe input level? Much like that infomercial, I'd like to "set it and forget it." :)

lostflower4

Quote from: bbernardini on May 10, 2008, 21:38:00
Thanks for the advice! The question remains, though...what's a safe input level? Much like that infomercial, I'd like to "set it and forget it." :)


Hard to say. Every microphone is different. Also, each concert will vary and depends on where you're located.

As for the CMC-19, it says the max input with battery box is 120 dB. This really isn't very high, so I'm guessing they are pretty high sensitivity mics. In this case you'd probably want to set your gain pretty low.

If using a battery box, you'll definitely want to use the line in. The default for that is "13", and it can actually be bad to set the Edirol much lower than that. I've heard about some distortion problems occurring because of an anomaly in the preamp when you actually reduce the gain.

If you record in 24-bit, just keep it low around 13 or 14, and see how that works. You can always boost it later and maintain the sound quality (one of the big advantages to 24-bit recording).