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Started by Bloodflower, May 31, 2007, 22:01:22
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Quote from: closedown on October 15, 2007, 18:29:50don't think this will happen to soon, as Robert is on his 'everything sounds better without keyboards' trip, where I just ask myself, as this is the case why did he need 24 years to find out... anyway, obviously the keys are missing, many of my most beloved Cure songs rely on keyboards.the option they are taking now by recreating keyboards on guitar is totally boll*cks if you ask me, either drop the songs from the set, rewrite a guitar part instead (but not tranfering key->guitar) or leave out the keyboard part + go to a more minimalist sound.some of the songs mentioned here, they hurt so much to be heard this way with that horrible (I hate funky guitarsounds... always have and always will) funk guitarsound they mix into The Walk, Close To Me or LGTB not to mention Lovesong + Lullaby... (I won't go into the Plainsong debate again this version is so bad it is without words)I know it will be hard if certain songs won't be played but why bother, I mean Cure have enough songs that would work in this lineup - remember when Roger wasn't in the band they didn't bother to try out things like Prayers For Rain cause it wouldn't have worked... hm + as many suggest what is so much the problem that for some songs they use a keyboard? this could be even very interesting going back to the 17 Seconds days in that style - get 2 vintage analogue synths onto the stage (Roland SH09 + a Solina String or what about Roland JX8-P like in the mid 80es, use HiString Patch + Wave Aura sound for A Forest intro) and use it in some songs - won't harm anyone but enrich the live pleasure! gets a more minimalist sounding Cure with straight into the face sound.Oh, by the way, what is Matthieu Hartley doing these days? why not give him a call or try to get back Lol for some synths
Quote from: japanesebaby on October 15, 2007, 18:50:29i have to say i've really enjoyed the walk, the way they've been playing it recently. but i guess it's a matter of taste in guitar styles. whereas i've always admired porl's style, i can understand he's not into everyone liking. that has never been a problem for me to accept. and i don't absolutely love all the new arrangements they've had, not all of them. some do sound like they miss something sonically, maybe. but some, like the walk (imo) have sounded really fresh in my ears. personally i don't feel like it's a matter of robert needing 24 years to find out they don't need keyboards. when they had keys, i'm sure he thought they absolutely needed them right then. so i don't feel like he's/they are somehow denying their whole past or their earlier output/live achievements now by doing what they do now (if that was what you meant?).
Quote from: devoblue on October 16, 2007, 07:10:51I think it's easy to complain about no keyboards when you're listening to a recording of a live show, but when you are actually there it's a different thing. The walk was great, close to me had such a massive bassline that you were left short of breath, and plainsong, which for me is all about the bass anyway lost nothing.It's a similar argument for those who thought it a good thing that they didn't play FTEOTDGS at the Download festival. Admitedly I used to feel this way myself, but the setlist isn't arranged for those listening to recordings. On three seperate nights in August I had tears in my eyes with that song, and if I'd gone to Download I would have been disappointed by its absence. To avoid being off topic I think that FTEOTDGS is musically better without keys, as that anoying repetitive note (C ?) is no longer there.
QuoteAs the new four-piece Cure have been playing sans keyboards, Porl Thompson has been playing those lines on guitar. But this does not mean that the new album will mean "guitar rock" or anything like that, or indeed that there is anything wrong with keyboards in general. Some people are still of the opinion that keyboards = an abomnimation, and that the very presence of one will mean Rick Wakeman appears wearing a cape, much like drawing pentagrams on floors may invite demons. "Iâ€™ve realized that thereâ€™s a low-level concern about keyboards, but thereâ€™s keyboards on pretty much every Cure album apart from Three Imaginary Boys, and in the main, theyâ€™ve been played by me or Porl, even when we had Roger Oâ€™Donnell in the band. Roger used to admit that a lot of the lines I would play because he couldnâ€™t play them as I heard them. The first instrument I learned when I was young was the piano, and though I canâ€™t play keyboards like Roger, Cure keyboards have always been very simplistic on purpose and thatâ€™s because Iâ€™m playing them. So there is keyboards set up in the studio for the new album, and me or Porl will play them if we feel like the song needs them. The difference is, for the first time since those early albums is that there is no keyboard player in the room as we are recording and itâ€™s very much a textural thing added only if we feel theyâ€™re needed. When you have a player there, a part is written for keyboards whether or not with hindsight you think it mightâ€™ve been better without; so this way it lends a much greater flexibity and I actually feel much happier about it.