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The Cure in the post-'Disintegration' years (warning: long post)

Started by revolt_again, March 14, 2014, 13:41:29

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Ulrich

Quote from: revolt_again on March 17, 2014, 13:43:34Actually, I think that the title 'Wild Mood Swings' came to Robert already in the 80s and it was always intended for a Cure album... And I'm pretty sure I've read an interview with Robert where he mentioned that Nick Drake stuff when discussing the WMS album.


And guess when was the first time I heard Robert mention his "legendary" solo album? - In the late 80's...
(And later he told it was just him, guitar plus a bit of cello - which is not too far from N. Drake.)

Quote from: revolt_again on March 17, 2014, 13:50:48
... find out that part of the 'magic' is still there but that Robert seems to have lost his vision...


As I hinted at above, I wonder what kind of 'vision' I will have left at the age of around 50! Probably I'll be glad to be still able to work at all and looking forward to the 'vision of a late night beer' before I fall into bed.  :(
I hope all those 'critics' do have a vision and are able to do something new and exciting with it every other year of their work life. (But I doubt it is like this in reality...)  :P

Quote from: revolt_again on March 17, 2014, 15:19:52
Another thing that bothers me: all these mediocre collaborations that Robert has been doing with other artists.. I think the only exception to this is 'To Love Somebody'...


Urgh, I never liked Bee Gees much. It's kind of "okay" for a cover version of an old song... but not much more.
Personally, of all the collaborations I enjoyed the one with Earl Slick ("Believe" - great song)!  :)
Crystal Castles and Blank & Jones and Junior Jack were also "okay" to my ears.
Some others, I got to admit, I did ignore or never got round to buying.  :oops:
Can't you see I try? Swimming the same deep water as you is hard...

MeltingMan

Quote from: MintQR on March 16, 2014, 17:25:37
Just a side note to this discussion:

"It's a bit of a crass generalisation, but people whose favourite Cure albums are Pornography and Disintegration are generally more alert and have thought about things"

Not necessarily.I would not judge you,only because your favorite album is different.
N'importe, l'amitié féminine repose mieux de la solitude, elle nous complète.

Comment on devient artiste, p. 193

MintQR

Quote from: MeltingMan on March 17, 2014, 19:38:22
Quote from: MintQR on March 16, 2014, 17:25:37
Just a side note to this discussion:

"It's a bit of a crass generalisation, but people whose favourite Cure albums are Pornography and Disintegration are generally more alert and have thought about things"

Not unconditioned.I would not judge you,only because your favorite album is different.


This is not necessarily my opinion :) This is just something Robert said... :) Anyhow I don't like labeling people like that.

Quote from: revolt_again on March 17, 2014, 15:19:52
I cannot understand why 'Burn' was never released as a single - it's such a great song and it manages to be 'completely Cure' and at at the same time be different than the other things they've done. On the opposite side of the spectrum, it's perhaps even harder to understand how a song so mediocre as 'Wrong Number' got the honour of being released as a single. The world is a strange place...

Another thing that bothers me: all these mediocre collaborations that Robert has been doing with other artists.. I think the only exception to this is 'To Love Somebody', which he did with Billy Corgan, and which is really good (even if you can't hear much of Robert in it).


Again - I have to agree and agree and agree even more. I don't really care much for all those collaborations because more often than not, they don't bring anything new to the table. Still there are some that I enjoy... I always thought that "Without you I'm nothing" with Molko was really Cure-ish for example.

As for "Burn" - this song for me really has the right feeling and the kind of sound that I absolutely love in "The Cure", it's just so hauntingly beautiful with the wailing and moaning guitars and the soft whispers in the background. :roll:

revolt_again

Quote from: Ulrich on March 17, 2014, 17:18:13

Quote from: revolt_again on March 17, 2014, 15:19:52
Another thing that bothers me: all these mediocre collaborations that Robert has been doing with other artists.. I think the only exception to this is 'To Love Somebody'...


Urgh, I never liked Bee Gees much. It's kind of "okay" for a cover version of an old song... but not much more.



Well, the Bee Gees are mostly famous for their awful disco-sound phase, but they're actually supposed to have been respectable in their beginnings (late 60's). Anyway, I haven't even checked those early albums of them and have never heard the original version of 'To Love Somebody'. But this cover strikes me as being particularly well done, even if Robert should have been allowed to sing a bit more... But then I'll admit that I'm a big Smashing Pumpkins fan, it's a rare thing to find a song sung by Billy Corgan that I don't like.

revolt_again

Quote from: MintQR on March 18, 2014, 10:14:31
As for "Burn" - this song for me really has the right feeling and the kind of sound that I absolutely love in "The Cure", it's just so hauntingly beautiful with the wailing and moaning guitars and the soft whispers in the background. :roll:


It's curious that you say the finest things about the song but then end your comment with that emoticon with the rolling eyes, almost as if you don't agree with what you've just written...  :-D

MintQR

haha wrong emoticon choice :)

It was a dreamy kind of eye roll :]