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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2019, 12:59:15 »

" I think he has an excellent point when he says "you're flying through space at a millions miles an hour/for 4 billion years, the sun keeps coming up/it's all too wonderful for words/but for you it's not enough."

Yeah I love that lyric too, is so true how amazing every moment truly is, but we can fall asleep to recognising it, and get lost in striving for more...better than this ...when it’s a freakin miracle.  I’ve always been in awe of consciousness... that we are awake conscious beings.  However it feels like there’s a tendency to get distracted by the objects we clutter our lives with, and allow our minds to get confined by rigid ideas and judgements, rather than simply being conscious and open.

Tanya I’m not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form (or perhaps I’m just hoping this is true?). I feel in the lyrics that he’s saying that when people become rigid / closeminded, and push their beliefs on others that this frustrates him.
“It's when your "I believe it's true, I know", I start to get upset”
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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2019, 18:44:32 »

" I think he has an excellent point when he says "you're flying through space at a millions miles an hour/for 4 billion years, the sun keeps coming up/it's all too wonderful for words/but for you it's not enough."


Tanya I’m not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form (or perhaps I’m just hoping this is true?). I feel in the lyrics that he’s saying that when people become rigid / closeminded, and push their beliefs on others that this frustrates him.
“It's when your "I believe it's true, I know", I start to get upset”

I always thought Robert was spiritual, but as an adult I came to wonder if he takes the skeptical side. He's admitted in interviews that he doesn't feel as positively as he used to. And there's also "but if I had your faith, then I could make it safe and clean..." which leads me to believe he's always been on the skeptical side.

Oh, I wasn't understanding that lyric the way you explained.  Another good point, Word-on-a-wing (and Robert). ;-)

Yeah, I was thinking of Jupiter Crash, too. Also Step Into the Light, which I'm not sure who he's talking to in it

That's interesting about "Step into the light"! I think it's often "typical" for a song that you don't know exactly who it is directed to (or who it is about) - thus they become "universal" and (nearly) anybody can relate to the lyrics...

It's a good perspective, a masculine one, with reason having to do with the intellect. I think women tend to believe in the metaphysical more than men because of being more centered in our emotions and intuition...

It's hard to understand why people want to extract the spirituality out of experiences, but Robert Smith is a Taurus (like Freud) and Tauruses are very physically oriented, tend not to be as open to spirituality as Pisces, Aquarius, Cancer, Scorpio, and Libra. It might be as simple as certain people  just don't have lenses for which to perceive the spiritual so don't believe in it.

Of course: there is the "rational" side in me which doesn't believe in some things because they've never been "proven". And I've experienced some bullsh*t where it was very clear (to me) that some folks use "spirituality" to make money...

On the other hand, I have experienced some strange "coincidences" in life, which point towards there being (much) more than we can see or prove.
Plus the "feelings" I had when I visited some "special" places on earth (sources, old churches, graveyards, castles...)!
 :cool

Well, said Ulrich! I agree that some people use spirituality to make money. It's our responsibility as self-caring human beings to do the best we can to make sure we don't get tricked. (And others, too).

I've experienced a lot of spiritual things in my life. Most recently I was in the kitchen and there was a man standing next to me. At first I thought it was my partner, but he was in our bedroom and I never heard him come out, so when I looked and saw nobody there, I guessed it was a ghost. To be really honest, my male cat, Matisse walked by right after the experience, so it could have been his male presence I sensed, but still, it was like I knew a man was standing in the kitchen with me. We live in an 83 year old house, so it's not outlandish to think there might be some spirits there. A friend of mine once said she felt a strong Native American presence in the furnace room. Native Americans did live here before settlers came.



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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2019, 10:54:47 »
The band is set to go to the studio again soon! They will "finish off" the recordings already done last year. Let's hope "the stars are aligned" for them to make another great album! :happy

It's our responsibility as self-caring human beings to do the best we can to make sure we don't get tricked. (And others, too).

Yep! :smth023

A friend of mine once said she felt a strong Native American presence in the furnace room. Native Americans did live here before settlers came.

Fun fact: I met a Native American through being a Cure fan! Was a nice fan meeting (Nov. 2016)! :cool
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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2019, 09:45:10 »
Tanya I’m not convinced RS is closeminded to the sort of things you discuss. I feel he is likely quite intuitive, and able to access and expand into a heart-centred awareness that is beyond form ...

Well I do think Robert is "sceptical" when it comes to things like "after-life" and such. Which is what he once said, but he might've changed his mind since then.

I can only guess he knows about the origins of astrology/astronomy, but then again back in those times there weren't things like "horoscopes" in newspapers.

However, I imagine he can think himself into these things, e.g. when he writes lyrics like in "Never" (2004):
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She doesn't read the stars
She has no time for fate
She doesn't see the signs
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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2019, 01:24:46 »

Well I do think Robert is "sceptical" when it comes to things like "after-life" and such. Which is what he once said, but he might've changed his mind since then.

I can only guess he knows about the origins of astrology/astronomy, but then again back in those times there weren't things like "horoscopes" in newspapers.

However, I imagine he can think himself into these things, e.g. when he writes lyrics like in "Never" (2004):
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She doesn't read the stars
She has no time for fate
She doesn't see the signs

I have to go back and re-listen to Never. Cure lyrics have a way of pulling you in.  :D

From an astrological perspective, Robert is a walking paradox. He has so much opposition and challenge in his chart that I'd assume he would be quite open-minded from the challenge he's faced in life because of that paradoxical chart. I can relate, as I have a paradoxical chart, too. Basically when you have a paradoxical astro chart you can say one thing one moment with much conviction and then the opposite or something that really contrasts in another moment with as much conviction, usually not aware of it, or say one thing, but do another. It's hard for people to deal with who aren't like that. Robert's Sun is in Taurus on the cusp of Aries, so I think that gives him a dislike of hypocrisy (we all know him to have artistic integrity) and perhaps the paradoxical aspects in his chart have empowered him to become integrated, which is a paradoxical phenomenon in itself that a person born divided might actually have the potential to become whole and integrated, more than a person born without paradox or contrast in their charts. Robert has a Libra Moon, which makes him prefer peace over conflict deep inside. Actually his chart connotes a singer/performer/artist, the tense , contrasty aspects provide him the fuel for being so self-expressive.

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Re: The Cure and Astrology
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2019, 11:15:24 »
From an astrological perspective, Robert is a walking paradox.

I kinda like that!  :lol:
Maybe because I am too (at times).  :neutral-face

...you can say one thing one moment with much conviction and then the opposite or something that really contrasts in another moment with as much conviction, usually not aware of it, or say one thing, but do another.

Well, when you look back: Robert often talked about "death wishes" when he was young(er). Nowadays he claims he actually had a very positive view when he was young (while he was making "dark" music)...

I guess some of it is dependending on his "mood". There are days when you don't feel much hope and I think those are (mostly) the days when Robert feels like writing a song/lyric.

I think that gives him a dislike of hypocrisy (we all know him to have artistic integrity)
... which makes him prefer peace over conflict deep inside.

I can relate to all this! I'd rather go quiet than entering a huge conflict (in real life, not on the internet, ha ha ha)! It is known that RS sometimes left it to Lol (or other band members) to tell someone he's out of the band. Which probably means he tried to avoid any conflict with that person.
And I dislike hypocrisy too...
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