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Started by chemicaloverload, January 15, 2019, 21:03:32

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Ulrich

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47487320
QuoteTheresa May has asked the EU for "one more push" to get her Brexit deal through Parliament and warned that, if it fails, "we may never leave at all".


Oh well, isn't that what some have been hoping for? (*seeks cover and ducks away*)
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MeltingMan

This quote is for TM (inspired by recent news):

Quote from: Winston S. ChurchillIf you are going through hell, keep going.
Au lieu de chercher Dieu dans les œuvres, nous
nous cherchons nous-mêmes. Notre paresse est
telle que nous préférons de basses impressions
aisées, qui nous diminuent, aux grandioses qui
exigent de l'effort.

Comment on devient artiste, esthétique. p. 235

Ulrich

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chemicaloverload

That Churchill quote was for the people, as was he- for the people. May is not. And will never be.

He also said "I never 'worry' about action, but only about inaction" which is more apt to May.
Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves

Ulrich

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47627744
QuotePrime Minister Theresa May is writing to the EU to formally ask for Brexit to be postponed.

One ministerial source told the BBC the longer delay could be up to two years, amid reports of a cabinet row, but No 10 said no decision had been made.

EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said the EU would not grant a delay without a "concrete plan" from the UK about what they would do with it.
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MeltingMan

17.4 million voters cannot be wrong, can they? Second referendum - now!
Au lieu de chercher Dieu dans les œuvres, nous
nous cherchons nous-mêmes. Notre paresse est
telle que nous préférons de basses impressions
aisées, qui nous diminuent, aux grandioses qui
exigent de l'effort.

Comment on devient artiste, esthétique. p. 235

Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on March 20, 2019, 11:38:41
Second referendum - now!


Doubtful to happen right now.
To me it looks like a "delay" might be happening and more negotiations...

Even Labour (opposition) stated that currently they are not in favour of a new referendum. (That might change in the face of a re-election or something.)
https://www.dw.com/de/labour-widerstand-gegen-zweites-brexit-referendum/a-47758065
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dsanchez

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Ulrich

In case anyone missed this:

QuoteA petition calling for Article 50 to be revoked and Brexit cancelled has attracted more than three million signatures.

The milestone, reached by midday on Friday, was reached after more than two million people signed up in less than 24 hours.

It has since become the parliament website's fastest growing petition despite the service crashing several times on Thursday, apparently unable to cope with demand as people voiced their discontent for Theresa May's plans for the UK's withdrawal from the European Union.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-petition-article-50-revoke-theresa-may-deal-delay-news-a8835016.html
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MeltingMan

By the way, DT made a funny slip of the tongue  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vFdvSBFEZA
Au lieu de chercher Dieu dans les œuvres, nous
nous cherchons nous-mêmes. Notre paresse est
telle que nous préférons de basses impressions
aisées, qui nous diminuent, aux grandioses qui
exigent de l'effort.

Comment on devient artiste, esthétique. p. 235

MeltingMan

I must admit that Brexit reminds me of the events in 1989, especially the large demonstration
last Sunday in London. This is a new generation and their future, and for a moment I thought
it would be better when lawyers handle the whole process and not politicians. They failed on both
sides unless we will have a final and workable agreement. There was perhaps no referendum in
East Germany (1989). But people voted with their feet when Hungary(!) opened the borders. And
there was another large group who said "We don't leave. We stay." and their protests had been carried
by the "Wind of Change", so please continue with protests, if necessary. Great job, so far!
Au lieu de chercher Dieu dans les œuvres, nous
nous cherchons nous-mêmes. Notre paresse est
telle que nous préférons de basses impressions
aisées, qui nous diminuent, aux grandioses qui
exigent de l'effort.

Comment on devient artiste, esthétique. p. 235

Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on March 28, 2019, 10:35:44... for a moment I thought it would be better when lawyers handle the whole process and not politicians.


Well, if you want negotiations to last for several more years, hand it to the lawyers!  :lol:
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Ulrich

Nice commentary (opinion) here:

https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/usa/id_85502836/brexit-ein-eu-verbleib-waere-die-gerechte-strafe-fuer-grossbritannien.html
Quote
Ich würde gerne wissen, wie es Ihnen mit dem Brexit ergeht. Mich quält er, ich finde unerträglich, was sich im ältesten Parlament auf diesem Erdball ereignet. Manchmal denke ich, ich übersehe wegen der gemischten Gefühle das Wesentliche in dieser unendlichen Geschichte, und dann denke ich wieder: Spinnen die Briten, was machen sie da, haben sie aus den Augen verloren, worum es geht, warum kommen sie nicht zur Besinnung und hören mit diesen makaberen Machtspielchen auf?

Dreimal hat Theresa May ihr Abkommen mit der Europäischen Union dem Parlament zur Abstimmung vorgelegt. Drei Niederlagen hat sie erlitten. Jede andere Premierministerin oder jeder andere Premierminister wäre schon nach dem zweiten Mal zurückgetreten. Ist sie nicht. Und wahrscheinlich erwies sie damit ihrer Nation sogar einen Dienst, denn besser wird es nach ihr bestimmt nicht, wenn der neuerdings erschlankte und vorübergehend leise Boris Johnson seine Inkompetenz in Downing Street 10 zur vollen Blüte treiben dürfte.
(...)
Soweit wird es jedoch nicht kommen. Europa wird sein, was Großbritannien nicht ist: kompromisswillig und zwar zu Recht. Es wäre eine gerechte Strafe für das unregierbare Großbritannien, wenn es noch viel länger als gewollt ein Mitglied der Europäischen Union bleiben müsste. Denn darin läge eine Chance für das zutiefst gespaltene Land, doch noch das zu finden, wozu es bislang so wenig fähig ist: einen Kompromiss.


(Basically he says "staying in the EU would be a just punishment for the Brits".)  :lol:
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Ulrich

Better late than never, she's trying to find a consensus with the opposition:

QuoteTheresa May is expected to meet Jeremy Corbyn later after she said she wanted to work with the Labour leader to break the Brexit deadlock.

The prime minister hopes the two of them can come up with a modified version of her deal with the EU that can secure the backing of MPs.

Mr Corbyn says he wants a customs union and workers' rights to be priorities.

Mrs May announced her plan to meet Mr Corbyn - as well as her intention to ask the EU for an extension to the Brexit deadline - after more than seven hours of talks with her cabinet on Tuesday.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47796377
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dsanchez

2019.06.08 Dublin
2019.07.04 Novi Sad
2019.07.17 Athens