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Brexit

Started by chemicaloverload, January 15, 2019, 21:03:32

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MeltingMan

My impression is that the atmosphere for negotiating Brexit has been
poisoned over a lengthy period. TM has one of the hardest jobs in the
world. She is under constant crossfire, so it might be better to form a
special "task force" with the EU. A neutral and calm place is important.
Proper negotiating is about to begin, so why not...Switzerland? Just a thought.
And the parliament will regain its freedom of action.
Le futur projette une ombre, comme le passé.
(Modestie et vanité, p. 333.)

Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on April 08, 2019, 10:21:43
TM has one of the hardest jobs in the world. She is under constant crossfire...


And that is well-deserved, because for 2 years she's basically done "nothing" and avoided finding any "consent" over Brexit with the opposition or even within her own party!  :pouting-face
It's never enough...

Ulrich

Quote from: MeltingMan on April 08, 2019, 10:21:43
... might be better to form a special "task force" with the EU. A neutral and calm place is important.


Erm, you do know there is a "summit" in Brussels this week? Today, I think.
Also, May spoke to the "mother of all chancellors" yesterday (Merkel). ;)

Word from diplomatic circles has it that the EU will agree to a Brexit delay (for a few weeks at least).
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Ulrich

Another extension until Oct 31st:
QuoteEuropean Union leaders have granted the UK a six-month extension to Brexit, after five hours of talks in Brussels.

The new deadline - 31 October - averts the prospect of the UK having to leave the EU without a deal on Friday, as MPs are still deadlocked over a deal.

European Council president Donald Tusk said his "message to British friends" was "please do not waste this time".

Theresa May, who had wanted a shorter delay, said the UK would still aim to leave the EU as soon as possible.

The UK must now hold European elections in May, or leave on 1 June without a deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-47889404
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Ulrich

From The Cure on Facebook:

QuoteTHE UPCOMING ELECTIONS TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT WILL HAPPEN IN FIVE WEEKS.

"X MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR PRO-EUROPEAN / PRO-REFERENDUM PARTIES... Y MILLION PEOPLE VOTED FOR PRO BREXIT / ANTI-REFERENDUM PARTIES" - THIS WILL BE THE STORY - AND IS WHY EVERY VOTE WILL COUNT.

THE ELECTORAL COMMISSION RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THAT 1 IN 3 18-34 YEAR OLDS IS STILL NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE.

WHETHER YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT SUPPORTS A CONFIRMATORY REFERENDUM GIVING THE BRITISH PEOPLE A DEMOCRATIC CHOICE BETWEEN ACCEPTING THE 'NEGOTIATED BREXIT DEAL' AND REMAINING IN THE EU, OR ONE THAT DOES NOT... YOU HAVE TO BE REGISTERED.

PLEASE REGISTER NOW. IT ONLY TAKES A MOMENT...
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote....

AND PLEASE VOTE.

CHANGE THE FUTURE.


https://www.facebook.com/thecure
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Ulrich

The end of May (the month) is near, near is also the end for PM May...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48395905
QuoteTheresa May has said she will quit as Conservative leader on 7 June, paving the way for a contest to decide a new prime minister.

In an emotional statement in Downing St, she said she had "done my best" to honour the 2016 EU referendum result.

It would remain a matter of "deep regret" that she had been unable to deliver Brexit, she added.

(If that was her best, I don't wanna ever know about her worst...)
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dsanchez

2019.06.08 Dublin
2019.07.04 Novi Sad
2019.07.17 Athens

chemicaloverload

This calls for a celebration, everyone raise a glass tonight because...the witch is no more.

It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

Let's hope there's a GE soon and Jezza gets the win.
Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves

Ulrich

Quote from: chemicaloverload on May 24, 2019, 18:52:15It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

If it'll be Boris J., things might get even worse... :1f629:
It's never enough...

chemicaloverload

Quote from: Ulrich on May 24, 2019, 19:42:32
Quote from: chemicaloverload on May 24, 2019, 18:52:15It'll be interesting to sit back and watch who fights it out to replace her.

If it'll be Boris J., things might get even worse... :1f629:

Don't we f*cking know it
Life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves

Ulrich

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/29/no-deal-brexit-tory-joke-boris-johnson-economic-britain
Quote from: undefinedNo-deal Brexit was once a sick Tory joke.
Now it's serious

Boris Johnson is about to impose a massive economic sanction on his own country. He is playing with fire: it is a political stunt that has gone horribly wrong.

It is clearly reckless to assume a sensible Brexit deal before the due date of 31 October. Politicians can twiddle their thumbs, others cannot. Since March, the Tories decided collectively to stop working in the nation's interest and play a game of chicken with Brussels. It has not worked. The government is now planning for crisis.

The Institute for Government warns that there is no magic button, no "managed no deal", to handle border chaos on 1 November. Emergency measures on trucks, plane flights, tourism and immigration will be entirely at the EU's mercy - as the UK will, overnight, become legally a "foreign state". We will need to be very nice to Brussels. Even current measures on financial services and aviation are strictly temporary. Rudimentary "technology checks" on truck movements will require a huge infrastructure of certificates, gantries and cameras, inspection depots and tariff collection points. None of this is remotely in place. Sixteen thousand officials will need to be set to work on it, and by October. This is impossible.

The irony of Brexit is that it will need a severe boost to the power and centrality of government. Northern Ireland must revert to being a direct-ruled British colony. As with regimes in all sanctioned economies, Johnson must retain popularity by throwing money at Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. He will soon spend billions rescuing bankruptcy-threatened farming, steel and car makers. Britain will return to pre-single market nationalisation.

Brexiters may reasonably protest that some of this is exaggerated. As the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, embarrassingly showed on the BBC this morning, what they cannot do is point to any advantage.
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SueC

Hello everyone.  I've read this thread and just wanted to say how refreshing it is to see a discussion about politics where everyone remains civil - and on the Internet!  I realise this is a small forum, but still... it's nice to see people listening to each other and asking for clarification etc. :cool

I'm in Australia and so not directly involved in the Brexit debacle, but I can't help noticing that the USA, Australia and now Britain are all run by persons representing the lowest ebb of intelligence and human decency, and I struggle to understand how it got to this all-time low (in my lifetime).  Just when you think it can't possibly get any worse, it does - and in democracies... how did anyone vote for these people, let alone a sizeable chunk of each of the three respective populations? It seems that fear and greed have got into an alliance and are successfully running the show.

I no longer expect politics to really solve anything; my hope is in grass roots movements and above all in everyday people doing what they can in their respective microcosms to make things better.

How are all of you coping?

At our house, we don't watch TV news - we can stay informed enough on the Internet without being bombarded with negativity and getting depressed.  We harbour therapeutic fantasies like putting a moat around our farm and peopling it with piranhas, and having a drawbridge across to keep out ogres such as are found in high concentrations in our parliament just now.  We also thought it would be great to have a Parliamentary Dalek that was trained to zone in on rudeness and dishonesty.  We plant a lot of trees and make shelter belts for wildlife and steward a conservation area.  We live off-grid and have seriously worked on reducing our ecological footprint, and I write magazine articles on sustainable land management, passive solar house design, living creatively, etc etc.  I try to connect with other people who themselves are engaged in living thoughtfully in these times, and to hopefully not add to the demoralising effect of living in these times.

Anyway, I hope all of you are well, and finding good things in your lives.

SueC is time travelling

Ulrich

Oh well, even his brother quits...

QuoteJo Johnson, younger brother of Prime Minister Boris Johnson, is quitting as a Conservative MP and minister, saying he is "torn between family loyalty and the national interest".

The business minister and MP for Orpington, tweeted that there was an "unresolvable tension" in his role.

Mr Johnson voted Remain in the 2016 EU membership referendum.

He resigned as a minister under Theresa May last year in opposition to the Brexit deal she reached with Brussels.

But he re-entered government during the summer, after Conservative Party members elected his brother as leader.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-49594793
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Ulrich

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-no-deal-bill-vote-house-lords-boris-johnson-law-parliament-latest-a9094741.html
QuoteBoris Johnson's Brexit plans suffered a further blow as a bill to block a no-deal outcome on Halloween completed its passage through parliament.

The legislation, tabled by senior Labour backbencher Hilary Benn after MPs seized control of the Commons agenda, is now due to become law by going to the Queen for royal assent on Monday.

It paves the way for a snap general election, now almost certain to take place in October or November.

The embattled prime minister says the legislation will "scupper" his chances of negotiating a Brexit deal with the EU, by giving Brussels confidence that the UK will not crash out on 31 October.
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Ulrich

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/09/no-deal-brexit-officially-blocked-law-10711993/
QuoteA law that would stop the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal has been given Royal Assent.
House of Lords Speaker Lord Fowler confirmed a bill aimed at blocking a 'no-deal' Brexit on 31 October has become law after the Queen gave final approval to the legislation.
The step, known as Royal Assent,  effectively rubber-stamps the law that was passed through parliament last week by an alliance of cross-party MPs. Known as the Benn-Bill, it would extend the Brexit deadline until 31 January 2020 if no deal is agreed with the EU by 19 October. This means it would be illegal for the UK to leave the European Union without a Brexit deal.


Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/09/no-deal-brexit-officially-blocked-law-10711993/?ito=social?ito=cbshare
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