Coronavirus: More than 80% of patients have mild disease and will recover

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SueC

Hope things get better again soon, @Ulrich.


Quote from: word_on_a_wing on November 02, 2020, 11:58:18:smth023
Victoria has had zero cases for 3 days straight, a big change, horray!!

And look how well it's going just now:

QuoteFor the ninth consecutive day, Victoria has recorded zero coronavirus cases and no further deaths.

The 14-day average of new cases has fallen from 0.9 to 0.4 in Melbourne and remains at zero in regional Victoria.

The ninth "double doughnut" day in row means just six new infections have been recorded in the two weeks to November 7, the Department of Health and Human Services says.

Just four active cases remain in Victoria, Premier Daniel Andrews said.

A total of 16,865 coronavirus test results have been processed since yesterday.
from https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-08/victoria-records-ninth-day-of-no-coronavirus-cases-or-deaths/12860442

Things looked terrible a few months ago, and could have become like in the US.  Well done you guys!  :cool
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Ulrich

Quote from: SueC on November 08, 2020, 01:13:21Hope things get better again soon

They probably will, then there'll be re-openings, then numbers will rise again (Xmas & NYE), so it's easy to guess in January we will get a new lockdown (light). And so on...  :unamused:
It's never enough...

Ulrich

Light on the horizon?

QuoteThe first effective coronavirus vaccine can prevent more than 90% of people from getting Covid-19, a preliminary analysis shows.

The developers - Pfizer and BioNTech - described it as a "great day for science and humanity".

Their vaccine has been tested on 43,500 people in six countries and no safety concerns have been raised.

The companies plan to apply for emergency approval to use the vaccine by the end of the month.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54873105
It's never enough...

dsanchez

QuoteThe University of Oxford, in collaboration with AstraZeneca plc, today announces interim trial data from its Phase III trials that show its candidate vaccine, ChAdOx1 nCoV-2019, is effective at preventing COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2) and offers a high level of protection

https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine
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SueC

Woohoo Melbourne!  :cool  Day 24 with zero new identified cases in a state that was in lockdown for months because of the second wave there.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-23/victoria-records-no-new-coronavirus-cases-and-no-deaths/12909854

Also congratulations to South Australia for stamping out a new community outbreak very quickly.

Now all of Australia is looking good - very little community transmission.

Congratulations also to Taiwan and NZ for early hard responses and super community spirit, which means very little community transmission in either of those countries this year.

I'm very proud of the Australian community for pulling together over this - the majority of Australians have shown that they will sacrifice for the greater good, instead of petulantly complaining about their "loss of freedom" - and here's what a friend in Oregon, USA wrote about their situation today:

Quote from: undefinedYesterday there was a protest downtown held by a group of people who don't want their freedoms infringed on by the pandemic. The video footage was fascinating. One of the protesters was a little girl holding a sign that said, "We will NOT comply". She has a fan club of other 7 year olds who also hate bedtime and rules in general. Her unmasked mother was cheering her on. I listened to an interview with one of the grown up protesters. He appeared to be an educated, rational person with purely good intentions and yet, his justifications for objecting to current public safety measures made me think of Swiss Cheese. It's creamy, dreamy and sounds delicious, but it's got a few holes in it.

The pandemic seems to have created a collective delusion for some of us. The rest of us are just exhausted from the moral fatigue of deciding whether or not we want to risk our lives for a late night snack run to the supermarket. I really want Ben and Jerry's but I don't think I have the energy to wash my hands, put on a mask, drive to the store, deal with people, drive home, Lysol my shoes, remove my mask, wash my hands again, sanitize my pint and then worry for the next week that I might get sick. Is my sweet tooth worth dying for? Ugh. Maybe I should buy my own cow.

Collective delusion is actually a behavior phenomenon called Shared Psychosis. It happens when a group of people become enmeshed in each other's version of reality; we see it on psych units, nations in crisis, super fans of sports teams, cult victims and, to lesser degrees, families experiencing various hardships. It can also show up in individual relationships. We adopt beliefs that align with whatever we think will help us get our needs met with the least amount of discomfort, disruption or loss.

I love one of the responses:

Quote from: undefinedJust so you know, I've decided that red lights infringe on my God and Constitution assured freedom, and from now on, I will drive through red lights as it suits my desires. As for you, whoever you are at the other side of the street: Stay the hell out of my way if you don't want to get hit! Your health is not my concern. Now I'm off to get some ice cream - your fault for reminding me how much I want a quart of dulce de leche. I promise to share - aren't I a loving soul?

from https://borninprovidence.com/2020/11/22/for-give-us-our-freedom/

We've got loonies in Australia too - but not in the proportions the USA seems to have them, and have them in power positions where they can inflict so much damage.  I'm really pleased with the way the vast majority of the Australian community has been conducting itself during this pandemic.   :smth023
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dsanchez

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Ulrich

To answer your question, dsanchez: I don't know yet, it might indeed take until 2022 to vaccinate millions of people in Germany!!  :1f62e:
It's never enough...

SueC

Well, Brett and I do have regular flu shots, tetanus boosters etc, and are generally in favour of vaccinating.  Initially if you'd asked me, I'd have been a little wary because of the history of the development of coronavirus vaccines - of which there had previously never been a successful one (which is why you can get annual flu shots, but not annual cold = coronavirus shots), and some of the ones they trialled had caused dangerous immune over-reactions that could lead to people drowning in their own fluids etc.  And when the race was on to find one, I thought the pressure to cut corners would be immense, and that's probably true.  However - the recent one they developed based on mRNA strikes me as being a really clever way to approach this particular beast, and based on what I remember of biochemistry and genetics, seems to me a safe way to go, so yes, I'm happy to get that one, when they eventually roll it out.   :smth023

The potential side-effects from that particular vaccine seem to me to be far less risky than the potential side-effects of actually getting infected with SARS-CoV-2 - not just the potential respiratory trauma, but also long COVID... (organ damage, chronic fatigue etc)
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word_on_a_wing

I can't believe anyone with a brain (and an understanding of Covid) would be protesting against restrictions that help keep people safe. But alas it seems some notable names in the music industry are doing just that
It's rare for me to agree with something Roger says on Twitter, but in this case he is spot-on:
Twitter

On the plus side, the links within the twitter thread educated my about Clapton being racist....which I never heard before now. His on-stage rant to an audience makes me feel sick:
article

Here in Victoria Australia the restrictions worked: we now have zero active cases, and most importantly many lives have been saved. ...and it was a temporary measure that has now lifted in relation to the numbers going down.  It's strange seeing some people arguing against it. 

It reminds me of a psychology experiment I saw (on video) in my undergrad years. One at a time toddlers are at a table, and a lolly is placed in front of them. The adult says that if they don't eat the lolly now, but wait a few mins then they will be given 2 lollies (and usually the faces of the child lights up.. "2 lollies! That's better than 1!")  The adult then leaves the room...and the toddler is alone with the lolly
....are they able to resist immediate gratification in order for a better pay-off in the long run? 
Now compare that to the current world situation, where the pay-off is not 2 lollies , it is the wellbeing of ourselves and those close to us, and the most vulnerable in the community.  The pay-off is also knowing that if we all do what we can to try reduce the spread of Covid... then restrictions can lift sooner rather than later
"Where the flesh meets the spirit world,
Where the traffic is thin..."

SueC

Quote from: word_on_a_wing on November 28, 2020, 02:16:52I can't believe anyone with a brain (and an understanding of Covid) would be protesting against restrictions that help keep people safe. But alas it seems some notable names in the music industry are doing just that
It's rare for me to agree with something Roger says on Twitter, but in this case he is spot-on:
Twitter

OMG, I knew Eric Clapton wasn't the brightest in the box, but Van Morrison???  Does he at least have the excuse of dementia?  I'd never have expected that from him.   :1f635:

Moron is indeed an apt summation of that attitude...


QuoteOn the plus side, the links within the twitter thread educated my about Clapton being racist....which I never heard before now. His on-stage rant to an audience makes me feel sick:
article

OMG!  :1f636:  I didn't know that, thanks for passing it on.  (Super article!)  Of course, I'm an immigrant and had the same kind of shiitake thrown at me for many years in Australia - "Go back where you came from!" and "Heil Hitler!" and "Do you like to gas Jews?" and other such gems, plus frequent physical assault when I was a teenager - but some of the prejudice and stupid remarks persisted right into adulthood; these days I just know how to fight back when that kind of blithering idiot opens their wide mouth displaying the vacuum where the brain should be - and I still get "But where are you really from?" and still point people to this famous library book:





...hope I didn't make anyone blush, but it really is so effective to refer a bigot to this book.  :lol:  You could keep it in your pocket just to show to them when they ask that stupid question... :angel

...and don't you think the guy in the cartoon above looks a lot like Strax the Sontaran?




QuoteHere in Victoria Australia the restrictions worked: we now have zero active cases, and most importantly many lives have been saved. ...and it was a temporary measure that has now lifted in relation to the numbers going down.

Yes, congratulations to all of you in Victoria, and thanks again for your part in keeping everyone safe!   :smth023

I see you've now surpassed 28 days with zero recorded new cases in the community.  Well done!   :cool

And I don't get it either - it's a no-brainer to do it like this, instead of getting this ongoing trouble like in the US, UK etc.  I'm really pleased with how Australians on the whole have shown a sense of community spirit over this.   :smth023

Borders are opening, so if you feel like a trip to WA, we're happy to host you!   :)


PS:  Brett just said, "Aaaah!" after he read that article you linked to.  He reckons something fell into place for him - namely this song by Pink Floyd, released less than three years after Clapton's outburst.  Have a good listen to the second half of this song...

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Ulrich

Much as I like Roger, personally I think it's not good style in a "political discussion" to dismiss others simply as "morons" just because you disagree.

I haven't yet investigated much about the reasons why Clapton and Morrison (he's always been a "strange cat" as far as I know) do this.
https://variety.com/2020/music/global/eric-clapton-van-morrison-lockdown-single-1234841031/
Quote from: undefinedProceeds from "Stand and Deliver" will go to the Morrison's Lockdown Financial Hardship Fund, which helps musicians facing difficulties as a result of the coronavirus and resulting lockdown measures.

"There are many of us who support Van and his endeavors to save live music; he is an inspiration," Clapton said. "We must stand up and be counted because we need to find a way out of this mess. The alternative is not worth thinking about. Live music might never recover."

"Eric's recording is fantastic and will clearly resonate with the many who share our frustrations," said Morrison. "It is heart-breaking to see so many talented musicians lack any meaningful support from the government, but we want to reassure them that we are working hard every day to lobby for the return of live music, and to save our industry."

In general, I agree that many lockdown measures have to be questioned at least. Because, while it might help to "save people", it might "destroy" others (suicide rates might be higher for example). Not to mention the debt many people and nations amass now!
It's never enough...

word_on_a_wing

Wow yes ... that scene from The Wall doesn't sound too far from where Clapton was heading.

Sorry to hear about the racism you experienced Sue. I had no idea you were German. I'm Scottish and received lots of teasing about that when I was a child. Back then there was very little diversity, almost all the kids were white, and usually with a surname like Jones or Brown... so being Scottish was unusual. I revisited the same school 25yrs later (as they have polling/voting stations from there) and It felt liberating to see the old buildings demolished. In its place were nice modern buildings ...I walked through a hallway where the students had painted handprints with their names written beside them, with a lot of culturally diverse names :)  I felt very happy to see this. A big positive sigh of relief for progressive change 🥰
"Where the flesh meets the spirit world,
Where the traffic is thin..."

word_on_a_wing

Quote from: Ulrich on November 28, 2020, 11:46:57Proceeds from "Stand and Deliver" will go to the Morrison's Lockdown Financial Hardship Fund, which helps musicians facing difficulties as a result of the coronavirus and resulting lockdown measures.

Surely they could have supported those facing financial hardship without at the same time proposing actions that would endanger lives and likely make it even harder to reduce and overcome Covid.
If I was to say donate to a worthy cause and I'll act recklessly (potentially killing people) and encourage others to act recklessly... would that make it right? 

Quote from: Ulrich on November 28, 2020, 11:46:57In general, I agree that many lockdown measures have to be questioned at least. Because, while it might help to "save people", it might "destroy" others (suicide rates might be higher for example). Not to mention the debt many people and nations amass now!

I don't think the solution to the financial hardship is to loosen restrictions so people can earn money again in ways that are likely to lead to increased Covid cases (which would prolong Covid impacting the economy, so is a short sighted proposition).
The alternative is that the governments give adequate financial support to those in industries where working remotely isn't an option, and where it is unsafe to work (for self and the community).  It can be a short-term measure, while alongside this doing everything possible to combat Covid.
Yes the debt of the government will increase, but over time this can mend.
"Where the flesh meets the spirit world,
Where the traffic is thin..."

Ulrich

Quote from: word_on_a_wing on November 28, 2020, 13:07:33Surely they could have supported those facing financial hardship without at the same time proposing actions that would endanger lives

When/where/how did they suggest that?
In Germany (for a while) it was possible to do seated concerts with distance (or open air in summer) with a limited number of people. I think our politicians fail to look for solutions (which in some cases were possible).
In cinemas there were no known cases of infection, yet they had to close.

Quote from: word_on_a_wing on November 28, 2020, 13:07:33The alternative is that the governments give adequate financial support to those in industries where working remotely isn't an option

Which is why it is said in that article:
Quote from: undefined... lack any meaningful support from the government...

What everybody seems to overlook, is the fact that after the crisis, the economy (again) will be forced to grow and grow, to pay all this off (the results of this seemingly endless growth we already know).  :'(
It's never enough...