Started by MAtT, July 18, 2020, 12:21:12
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Quote from: SueC on August 09, 2020, 02:10:33...but he didn't start going to concerts till the 1990s himself, and he says: "Well, the 80s were all bad. It was a worthless decade. ..."Please note, it's early morning here and my husband is not a morning person.
Quote from: SueC on August 09, 2020, 02:10:33More of Brett on the 80s: He was watching Countdown in the very early 80s - for those of you who've not seen it, it was a highly grating music show.
Quote from: MAtT on August 17, 2020, 06:41:54Quote from: SueC on August 09, 2020, 02:10:33More of Brett on the 80s: He was watching Countdown in the very early 80s - for those of you who've not seen it, it was a highly grating music show. Robert half agreeing in 1981:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9fHrL5t0o
Quote from: SueC on August 17, 2020, 08:21:19Quote from: MAtT on August 17, 2020, 06:41:54Quote from: SueC on August 09, 2020, 02:10:33More of Brett on the 80s: He was watching Countdown in the very early 80s - for those of you who've not seen it, it was a highly grating music show. Robert half agreeing in 1981:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r9fHrL5t0oBwahahaha! Thanks for this clip, it was from before my time - I was still in Europe, and as @Ulrich will be able to attest, Hitparade is even worse, and I never voluntarily watched it, although one of my best friends did, and she was always going, "Isn't that great? Isn't he cool?" and I was always going, "Ehhh, no, I can't see it!" (because Germans say what they think instead of beating around the bush - we were 10, by the way, but two things I really didn't like even back then were Hitparade and screechy opera...)Can you interpret something for me? I don't quite catch what Robert Smith says Top of the Pops is full of - is it drugs, or drunks, or droids, or something else?
Quote from: SueC on August 17, 2020, 14:42:53Thank you! It's been a while since I heard that word! I tested the clip out on Brett this evening and he had it straightaway (he's very British, just as his name would suggest, and has a history of using that word for the purposes of sneering...)But guess what I found - the extended interview, which is quite funny:...and that Countdown considers 5 minutes 11 seconds an "extended" interview gives you another clue to that programme...
Quote from: MAtT on August 17, 2020, 07:07:35OK Sue, so I lost my draft by timeout, cos I'm useless.
Quote from: undefinedBut also in my ideal world, that we're now a civilized and technological species means the sexist systems and institutions we run, which for messy evolutionary and historical reasons have been created for and run by men and are so based on those stereotypically male traits of competitiveness, even ruthlessness, should be rejected as outdated and replaced with stereotypically female ones of cooperation and empathy.If this view has me labelled a man-hating reverse sexist so be it! The label is wrong, because it assumes in its premise the very stereotypical gender to sex relation I reject, but what's true is that I'm biased and discriminatory towards people and systems that are cooperative rather than competitive (and most of the other components of the same stereotypical m/f dichotomy).
QuoteAnd so to Madonna. For me she's the product of the non-ideal world we live in. Like many women she either just naturally is - or has at least learnt to be as good as or better than men 'at their own game' (again, taking the stereotypes I ultimately reject as a given) which includes exploiting her sexuality for that purpose. And for that I don't blame her but rather say 'more power to her', while at the *same time* knowing ultimately both that *no woman (no person!) should need to do this* and that doing so has the unfortunate by-product of *elevating* the very thing I wish to overturn.Phew, does that make sense? Once again it's very early in the morning and I'm only half awake!
Quote from: word_on_a_wing on August 19, 2020, 15:13:27...sorry, I think I spun this thread down a strange rabbit hole