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'The 80s and other reminiscences'

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Ulrich

No thanks for one of the worst 80s synth pop earworms (John F..)... I never wanna hear it again. :P
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Quote from: Ulrich on August 19, 2020, 20:10:24No thanks for one of the worst 80s synth pop earworms (John F..)... I never wanna hear it again. :P

Bwahahahahahahahaha!  :lol:  My apologies for having tripped your vomit-meter.  :yum:  It's very unpleasant when someone does that, but it turns out we can be set off by different things, so that's gonna happen when we discuss music.  :cool  (I keep a bucket beside me for that purpose.  :-D)  Yes, that track is dreadfully 80s, and the artificial handclaps give me a rash (and The Cure use the blasted things in, I think it is Close To Me?) - but in You're The Voice, I can look past it because of what the song says - sort of like with the Howard Jones example in an earlier post.

But you have an ally here.  Brett says that if he is ever elected emperor of the world, he'd be happy to completely expunge John Farnham's entire body of work, so that it will be as if it never was - and that just because he's going to operate a fascist regime doesn't mean he can't do some good for the world.

Now personally I doubt he can do this, because how will he ever get into people's minds.  But he's going, "Re-education camps!  Aversion therapy!"  :evil:

Brett says that he's also willing to consider other 80s artists for the same fate and that people might find him agreeable.  :rofl  He says to send him requests if you're desperate.

Sort of like, on 6UVS-FM which we both listened to in the 1980s, you could send in a request to their request show for them to destroy a record you hated on air.  And this was in the days of vinyl, so it was a very crunchy and satisfying sound.  Lots of requests were made by the alternative music audience to destroy Wham! records and Pet Shop Boys records and Jason Donovan records, in particular.  :lol:
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Ulrich

Quote from: SueC on August 20, 2020, 01:36:49Now personally I doubt he can do this, because how will he ever get into people's minds.

TV, radio, smartphone, mind control.  :cool
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MAtT

Quote from: SueC on August 19, 2020, 10:32:33
Quote from: MAtT on August 17, 2020, 07:07:35OK Sue, so I lost my draft by timeout, cos I'm useless.  :)

Take care now!  :winking_tongue   If you say stuff like that, it starts to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

*chuckle* Don't worry, I don't really think I'm useless. If anything, I have to guard against thinking too much like the rest of the world is that! I try for a happy medium of knowing we're all flawed, but trying to channel my own flaws harmlessly. :)

I agree with pretty much everything you say about the sexes, gender, and sexism. I'll try to expand another time when I'm less caught up in stuff going on IRL.

QuoteI think Jacinda Ardern is a wonderful example of a female who wields a lot of power while taking great care to avoid abusing it - and in popular culture I think Suzanne Vega, Karen Matheson (Capercaillie)...

I don't know those people, but do know and love Suzanne Vega. Long time fan again, having first bought Solitude Standing for a girlfriend who asked for it before I even got into alternative music, and like it even though I thought it odd at the time. In a way she even predates The Cure for me.

And Robert Smith - yeah, a pretty good role model in many ways. Though I've always tried to separate the music from the people to some degree, lest I be disappointed (as happened with Morrissey!) too much.
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Ulrich

Quote from: MAtT on August 25, 2020, 14:08:07And Robert Smith - yeah, a pretty good role model in many ways. Though I've always tried to separate the music from the people to some degree, lest I be disappointed (as happened with Morrissey!) too much.

Well Robert has (almost) always talked sense in interviews (yeah he lied sometimes, but he admitted to that himself). In recent interviews (2018) he said real good things about how he views the world etc.

I've had the luck to meet some people whose music I like - and I can't agree with the usual "you shouldn't meet your heroes because they can't live up to it". Those I met were (mostly) the persons I thought they were (such as I "knew" them through interviews, books, songs, videos etc.)!  :happy
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SueC

Well you know, that's why I advocate a formal selection process for which musicians you would like to sponsor, before you buy anything!  :angel

Also I think if you don't actually turn people into "heroes" but just like their work, there's far less chance of being disappointed than if you project superhuman qualities onto them.  The no-pedestals rule - although to be merely inspired in permissible!  ;)

In fact, if you expect everyone to be a total turnip, you're actually going to get a fair few pleasant surprises.  Unfortunately, I have trouble lowering my expectations of people, but that doesn't stop me recommending it to others.  :angel
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Quote from: word_on_a_wing on August 19, 2020, 15:13:27Yes I agree that we should all aspire to be positive influence in the world, or role models as you say Sue. This actually hits a real nerve for me at the moment. I've recently learnt that someone (male) who has been somewhat of a teacher to me may have been capable of extremely disturbing things behind closed doors. A scared and vulnerable feeling takes hold, and my instinct is to isolate myself from the world, but that isn't helpful either. I'm finding it hard to remain open and trusting in the world 😥

I remember how it threw me into real disarray in my 20s when I learnt that Martin Luther King, one of whose books had made such an enormous difference to the way I thought, had almost certainly serially cheated on his wife, of whom he had always talked in the highest terms.  I mean, those could have been made-up rumours - there are always plenty of people to throw mud and it doesn't necessarily make it true.  But I felt very similar feelings to what you're describing - this terrible disappointment, not just in that person but by extension, possibly justabout everyone else I thought was halfway decent - like the world, which had just begun to seem to open up in good ways, was suddenly cold and spiky, and like you could trust absolutely nothing and noone.

And perhaps you can't trust anyone absolutely - maybe it's more of a statistical proposition.  High probabilities of being trustworthy, versus lower, through to nonexistent.  And then categories of what you can and can't trust various people with, again on a sort of probability scale.

As always, other people is nothing we can change.  All we can really do is work on being trustworthy ourselves.  I saw that once on a poster, "Be the change you want to see."  And I think that's already a fulltime job. ;)  I've taken that very seriously, but I'm way from perfect myself.  Incrementally improving in some ways, probably deteriorating in others - these days, I'd cheer if some people were struck by meteorites, for example.

I guess all the disappointment can lead to us withdrawing into shells of some sorts, or it can be a fuel for doing the best we possibly can, not to be such a big part of the problem/s.  Next time someone disappoints you or is rude to you etc, try making a point of being kind to three different people you randomly come across, for each instance of disappointment or rudeness or whatever.  It sort of adjusts the balance, shows you you're still free to make choices, helps develop good habits, and means the darkness doesn't win this one.  Light has a tendency to spread, if we'll send it out.

PS:  I now have the hippie pants to go with the speech!  :angel
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Quote from: SueC on September 01, 2020, 16:25:10I guess all the disappointment can lead to us withdrawing into shells of some sorts, or it can be a fuel for doing the best we possibly can, not to be such a big part of the problem/s.  Next time someone disappoints you or is rude to you etc, try making a point of being kind to three different people you randomly come across, for each instance of disappointment or rudeness or whatever.  It sort of adjusts the balance, shows you you're still free to make choices, helps develop good habits, and means the darkness doesn't win this one.  Light has a tendency to spread, if we'll send it out.

PS:  I now have the hippie pants to go with the speech!  :angel

Beautiful sentiments!  I will try remind myself of this rather then get pulled down by the negativity, thanks :)  :smth023
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Best wishes for it, @word_on_a_wing:)  If you've got any unusual tried and tested strategies that you've found useful for dealing with the real world, please share too - it all helps... and we're all in need of help, and mutual support.  :cool
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