Author Topic: 1989 09 15 the cure SBD from website!!!! (Read 656 times)

bobcat · « **on:** May 30, 2010, 09:15:40 »

i simply recorded this on the computer with the soundcard!!! i was trying to figure a way to download the bonus show on the micro site and then realized i can just do it this way..with some careful audio volume adjustments i got this pretty much perfect (just below 0 db)

http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=306245

enjoy!!

Druide · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2010, 11:55:53 »

T H A N K S

lostflower4 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2010, 14:12:20 »

I don't want to sound ungrateful here, but are you sure those streaming live tracks weren't just mp3s (like the alternative rarities that were posted before)?

Just because something meets the "frequency graph test" doesn't mean it's really lossless. Not all lossy compression schemes have the classic dropoff, and I wouldn't be surprised if some mp3s look a bit different too...

I never seem to have much luck with capturing streams anymore (not recording them, but just downloading the files that are streamed)...

Has anyone else tried doing anything with the 12 live Dallas tracks?

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2010, 18:01:01 »

Hello,

About your recording of Dallas 1989.

I don't understand the way you record, can you please explain to me?
Do you just press play on microsite then press record on a programme like Audacity or Adobe?
Or is your capture something more like the original file like getting the file out of your temp files on your computer hard drive or something like that?
Can you please explain to me?

Also another question, is your version without little drop out tingy gaps in the audio?
In the week it's been up I haven't been able to get through a single song without droputs and pauses, is your version without all those types of errors?

Cheers

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2010, 18:13:08 »

Quote from: lostflower4 on May 30, 2010, 14:12:20

I don't want to sound ungrateful here, but are you sure those streaming live tracks weren't just mp3s (like the alternative rarities that were posted before)?

Just because something meets the "frequency graph test" doesn't mean it's really lossless. Not all lossy compression schemes have the classic dropoff, and I wouldn't be surprised if some mp3s look a bit different too...

I never seem to have much luck with capturing streams anymore (not recording them, but just downloading the files that are streamed)...

Has anyone else tried doing anything with the 12 live Dallas tracks?

BANNED AT DIME

not in compliance with DIME's rules regarding digital broadcasts/webcasts, see:
http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/Caclas#lossystreams
Furthermore, this is lossy. Screenshots were posted in the torrent's comments section.

dsanchez · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2010, 22:25:07 »

Quote from: bobcat on May 30, 2010, 09:15:40

i simply recorded this on the computer with the soundcard

as Dime deleted your torrent, do you think ca put it somewhere (rapidshare, sendpsace, etc.) and share it here?

Very much appreciated!

bobcat · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2010, 22:55:45 »

i went into my audio icon (bottom right on desktop) then into the recording part and selected 'wave out mix'. then i had cdwave ready (or anything that can record on your computer) then i went to the cures website and pressed play and record on cdwave and off it went. then as it starts i adjust the 'wave' volume in the 'volume control' part. so it doesnt clip. also u have to adjust 'wave out mix' to make sure nothign clips and u have it at a good DB level. just play around with those steps..it sounds harder then it is i think

i had no pops or hicups in mine at all...maybe you need to udpate your flash or java or something? i really couldnt tell ya why that is happening to you. damn!

i will make a megaupload come june 1st..i only have 1.50 gigs left till midnight of may 31st. (i have a 60 gig limit per month with cogeco in canada)

so should i make a 320k mp3 ? or keep it 'lossless'? it probably isnt lossless...im curious what people are more interested in..i can only share it once with my bandwidth restrictions.. so will take a vote and see what people want

**** i used adobe audition and the picture to me looked like it was lossless. i was being honest with what i could tell *shrugs* oh well.

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2010, 02:17:06 »

Thanks for the info.
It's definately best to keep it lossless.
As soon as you make it MP3 it makes more quality loss!
Thanks for uploading soon, I'm looking forward.
PS - I know you didn't lie about the lossless.

bobcat · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2010, 02:29:47 »

well the thing is it isnt lossless to begin with! but i did record it as a wav file. i kinda feel keeping it the way i recorded might be best..however since its coming from a mp3 most likely if i did a 320 kb/ps it will be ok.

will see.. if more respond will see what they think on it. both would be fine really. and i like mp3 discs for my car so i use both etc etc. but as it stands this really isnt lossless which i wasnt aware of. its hard to tell in those graphs and im inexperienced in that way being i never bothered with that side of things. when i transfer my own shows i make em wavs from mini discs. thats really all ive done so this is a new area for me.

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2010, 03:25:51 »

Quote from: bobcat on May 31, 2010, 02:29:47

well the thing is it isnt lossless to begin with! but i did record it as a wav file. i kinda feel keeping it the way i recorded might be best..however since its coming from a mp3 most likely if i did a 320 kb/ps it will be ok.

will see.. if more respond will see what they think on it. both would be fine really. and i like mp3 discs for my car so i use both etc etc. but as it stands this really isnt lossless which i wasnt aware of. its hard to tell in those graphs and im inexperienced in that way being i never bothered with that side of things. when i transfer my own shows i make em wavs from mini discs. thats really all ive done so this is a new area for me.

But you have it as WAVE now, converting back to MP3 will lower the quality again.
It's best to leave it as WAVE.

bobcat · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2010, 05:16:25 »

yes i know what you are saying..but the 'SOURCE' is mp3 as most are thinking..so the fact i made it a wave doesnt really do anything...

being i recorded it as wave ill just leave it at that and people can make mp3s if they want but techincally its gonna get the wrap that it isnt lossless cause its not. encoding this to mp3 would probably keep it the same quality cause its not a wave file to begin with.

i will just rip it the way i did it. but i will say its lossy and its gonna be weird and most will think im retarded :S. but i did record it as a wave. so for the sake of remaining to the truest way recorded this i will share it straight from 'my source' i didnt have to raise the DB with any program..i got it perfect from the start cause i tweaked the volume just right. so its pretty 'raw' considering what i had to work with.... end of story!

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #11 on:** May 31, 2010, 05:47:03 »

Quote from: bobcat on May 31, 2010, 05:16:25

yes i know what you are saying..but the 'SOURCE' is mp3 as most are thinking..so the fact i made it a wave doesnt really do anything...

being i recorded it as wave ill just leave it at that and people can make mp3s if they want but techincally its gonna get the wrap that it isnt lossless cause its not. encoding this to mp3 would probably keep it the same quality cause its not a wave file to begin with.

i will just rip it the way i did it. but i will say its lossy and its gonna be weird and most will think im retarded :S. but i did record it as a wave. so for the sake of remaining to the truest way recorded this i will share it straight from 'my source' i didnt have to raise the DB with any program..i got it perfect from the start cause i tweaked the volume just right. so its pretty 'raw' considering what i had to work with.... end of story!

You recorded it the correct way, to a lossless format.
But if you convert that back to MP3 it will actually lose quality because you would be converting to a lossy MP3 format, if you did that technically it would be less quality than the original MP3's streaming on the internet because you are degrading the original sound quality by converting it again to lossy MP3 (each time you convert to a lossy MP3 it will lose a bit more quality).
So just leave it as WAVE!

Nobody will think you are stupid if you share as WAVE, you did it the best way in this case.
Just make sure you that you note the original microsite stream is MP3 which you captured / recorded to lossless WAVE, and make a note asking people to please always give that info when they share it.

Cheers.

bobcat · « **Reply #12 on:** May 31, 2010, 05:54:03 »

i just 'updated' the txt file explaining what you are talking about. after some thinking i am just going to share it the way i made it. i see what u mean but making it a 320 mp3 would probably do nothing to it being it is mp3. i explained the entire situation and figured i recorded this the best way possible even though i was wrong about the quality of the original files.

plus this way people can have the options of what they want to do with it. its kinda a funny situation..having a flac'd mp3 file...it might not go over too well but whatever, just let it go and see what happens

remember i cant do this till june 1st. so give it a day or two.

largeststarintheuniverse · « **Reply #13 on:** May 31, 2010, 06:18:03 »

Quote from: bobcat on May 31, 2010, 05:54:03

i just 'updated' the txt file explaining what you are talking about. after some thinking i am just going to share it the way i made it. i see what u mean but making it a 320 mp3 would probably do nothing to it being it is mp3. i explained the entire situation and figured i recorded this the best way possible even though i was wrong about the quality of the original files.

plus this way people can have the options of what they want to do with it. its kinda a funny situation..having a flac'd mp3 file...it might not go over too well but whatever, just let it go and see what happens

remember i cant do this till june 1st. so give it a day or two.

Even though it is originally MP3, does not make it OK to convert your WAVE to MP3 again, because converting the WAVE to MP3 is lossy and would actually be making it more lossy than the original MP3 stream, because when you recorded the original MP3 as WAVE you are recording as lossless, but once you convert the WAVE to MP3 you are making it lossy and losing more quality.

lostflower4 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 31, 2010, 12:57:24 »

Well, I think it's simple... I would say that recording a lossy stream to hard drive is ok if it's impossible to capture the stream, but I'm not sure if that's really ever the case anymore. And in such cases, it should be preserved in lossless to prevent any further quality loss.

But I'm not sure how "pure" the WAV files that you captured are. It seems like you must be using some kind of Creative card if you can use the Windows control panel for adjusting sound in the way you describe.

:

Most Creative cards do all kinds of bad things to audio, like unnecessary resampling, adding noise, and changing the frequency response...

Anyway, the Dallas stuff is still up at www.thecuredisintegration.com. While the design of the site might be "cool", I personally might it a bit annoying to navigate.

If anyone doesn't know where the Dallas songs are, they are in the the "music" section (the picture of the cassette), and then on the far right of the next page.

I'm sure SOMEONE can figure this out, as someone already did this for the alternative rarities. I'll play around with it a bit, but like I said I always seem to have bad luck with this kind of thing anymore.

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